Florida: Gingrich 47, Romney 17, Cain 15, Paul 5

posted at 4:27 pm on November 30, 2011 by Allahpundit

I know what you’re thinking: “Didn’t Jazz already blog the new giant-lead-for-Gingrich-in-Florida poll?” Actually, no — that was a different poll, conducted by Insider Advantage. This new one comes from PPP. We’ve now got two separate surveys showing Newt Gingrich — Newt Gingrich — above 40 percent in a key battleground state with Romney 20+ points behind.

Come on now. We’re not really going to do this, are we?

In addition to his support for the nomination, Romney’s personal popularity is down too. His Florida favorability was +43 (65/22) and it’s declined 28 points to +15 (51/36). He’s dropped in Montana too although it’s a more modest change there from +11 (47/36) to only +5 (44/39)…

The magnitude of Gingrich’s leads now is an indication that he’s appealing to every segment of the Republican electorate. He’s up with the Tea Party in both states (53% to 24% for Cain and 7% for Romney in Florida, 42% to 18% for Bachmann, 13% for Cain, 10% for Paul, and 5% for Romney in Montana.) But he’s winning over party moderates as well (33% to 22% for Romney in Florida, 31% to 17% for Romney in Montana.) Gingrich’s favorability in Florida is 72/21 and in Montana it’s 65/23. You don’t attain those kinds of numbers without having a lot of appeal to every faction in the party…

As strong as Gingrich is in these polls there’s still evidence he could get stronger. Despite his troubles this week, which voters may not yet be fully aware of, Cain hit double digits on both of these polls. If his declining support bottoms out after the newest set of revelations, Gingrich will be the beneficiary. 45% of Cain voters in Florida say he is their second choice to only 13% for Romney and in Montana Cain backers prefer Newt over Romney 35-11 as a back up.

How strong is the sudden surge of Newtmania? Dude:

The only good news for Romney is that he stands to inherit most of Gingrich’s voters if Newt crumbles, but since there’s already a Cain crumble in progress and Newt stands to mop up most of those votes, the Gingrich implosion would have to be truly cataclysmic to make Florida safe for Mitt before the primary. Another reason he’s doing especially well in Florida is seniors: He was more than 20 points better than his closest competitor among the 65+ crowd in CNN’s latest national poll and PPP’s got him above 54 percent in its new one. We all know what senior turnout is like so he should have no problem getting people to the polls against Romney. He joked this morning at an event in South Carolina that he “only” wants the 65 percent of Republicans that haven’t already committed to Romney or Ron Paul. The way he’s going in Florida, he might get it.

Now, serious question: How is it we’ve landed on Newt instead of taking a second look at Perry? Perry’s last few debates have been fine and he’s spent months groveling to make amends for calling his immigration critics heartless. And of course he’s still got that glamorous Texas jobs record to wield against Obama in the general if he makes it that far. He’s down to almost an asterisk in PPP’s Florida poll, though — just two percent, a point behind Huntsman, after peaking at 24 percent there just two months ago. His favorable rating is an almost unimaginable 27/55, which is right in line with other recent eyepopping surveys. How did we arrive in a universe where there’s an almost 50-point spread in likability between Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich? Isn’t Newt the guy who was a big Donald Berwick fan before being a Donald Berwick fan was decidedly uncool? Wasn’t he way ahead of the curve in pushing health-care ideas like the mandate that conservatives are now ready to destroy Romney for? Didn’t he spend a chunk of the last decade lobbying, in consummate “insider” fashion, and then lamely trying to pretend that it wasn’t, you know, lobbying-lobbying? Hasn’t he been the tea party’s public enemy number one more than once, having endorsed Dede Scozzafava in that special election in New York and then dumping on Paul Ryan’s budget this summer? What about this cavalcade of Newt’s bright ideas that Jim Geraghty spent the morning compiling? Via the Daily Caller, listen to the Mark Steyn clip below for a gloss on that. And yet, and yet, thanks to his surge among Republicans, he’s now viable enough to lead Obama head-to-head and stands a not insignificant chance of running the table in the early states. How did it come to this? Exit quotation: “Whereas I would have thought originally it was going to be Mitt and not-Mitt, I think it’s going to — it may turn out to be Newt and not-Newt.”

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Now, serious question: How is it we’ve landed on Newt instead of taking a second look at Perry?

Because Sarah P isn’t running? I think a lot of people who were hoping for a Palin run, like myself, were taking a longshot with someone who seemed to be a reflection of themselves.

It was a contrarian position to be sure. Now that Palin isn’t running, I surmise many of her supporters migrated to Newt in lieu of the others because Newt is a known quantity. Not a TEA Party guy though. Palins’ supporters were willing to take a risk with her, but once she pulled out, her supporters went with the guy they knew instead of other bloviators.

BobMbx on November 30, 2011 at 5:45 PM

That and, you know, he balanced the budget. Reformed welfare.

While Romney was busy putting people in jail for not buying healthcare.

lorien1973 on November 30, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Not just welfare reform but also tax reform. The 1997 tax reform was pretty huge.

Capital gains rates were reduced to 10 and 20%. The death tax limit was doubled. The real estate capital gains tax was eliminated for gains up to $500K. And the child credit was doubled.

People forget about this, but think about it. Gingrich got a liberal Dem president to sign on to a massive tax cut bill. While, as you say, Romney was sending the police after people for not buying insurance.

angryed on November 30, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Newt – like many conservatives at the time – turned against mandates.

While Romney implemented one.

No one is further to the left of the person who thinks the proper role of government is to force people to buy something they may not want to purchase.

lorien1973 on November 30, 2011 at 5:45 PM

I note you try to ridicule the messenger of said Q&A but you entirely avoid discussing the issues IN that Q&A itself.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Of course I ridicule the messenger.

It’s Joe f***g Scarborough. About as relevant to a discussion on who is conservative and who is not as Barrack Obama discussing English and non-English embassies.

angryed on November 30, 2011 at 5:47 PM

lorien1973 on November 30, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Thanks but I forgot to remind you of something. Palin probably didn’t run not because her numbers were bad but most likely she figured out she won’t have enough fund raising to match Obama’s 1 billion dollars. She doesn’t want play with big donors unlike Newt. She even said so herself. That probably is the no.1 reason she didn’t run.

promachus on November 30, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Now come out of the woodwork Romneybots, I want to see those tears!

Lawdawg86 on November 30, 2011 at 5:43 PM

I think a big aspect of what separates YOU “all” among your state of mind is that you all loiter on protected websites and ridicule others while banning and blocking anyone else, and you taunt and ridicule everyone outside your confines.

The rest of us don’t WANT to visit your enclaves and don’t find your sort of behaviors attractive, inspiring or worthy of too much comment otherwise.

One of the primary reasons you all have to beg “Romneybots” to try and share their views is you don’t have much attractiveness to others and people other than your enclaved lot aren’t keen on associating with you.

You’ve harassed and ridiculed Romney supporters to such an extent that I’m surprised that they maintain some level of aplomb and composure and are polite enough to walk away from you.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 5:48 PM

angryed on November 30, 2011 at 5:45 PM

And the clinton “boom” economy didn’t take off till after 96 when Newt took over in the house and this passed. Before that (you can look it up) wages were essentially stagnant.

Meanwhile, Romney was sending people to insurance jail.

lorien1973 on November 30, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Not a TEA Party guy though. Palins’ supporters were willing to take a risk with her, but once she pulled out, her supporters went with the guy they knew instead of other bloviators.

BobMbx on November 30, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Exactly. Right now even C4P is split half n half about supporting Newt versus wiating for Palin. None of them even considered Bachmann or Cain or Perry remotely acceptable.

promachus on November 30, 2011 at 5:48 PM

I’m a huge supporter of Ryan and have now turned to Gingrich (since Ryan won’t run). So I think I might be able to offer insight on this. I was incensed when Newt said that about Ryan. However, the story didn’t just end with that guy confronting Newt. Newt has gone on to explain what he meant when he was talking about “right-wing social engineering” and I think has done enough to show that he wasn’t specifically talking about Ryan’s plan. He also contacted Ryan about it to clarify his statement and explained what he was talking about on Rush. Ryan and Newt both let it go.

What I think has happened with that comment is that what he said has been forgotten in our defense of Ryan. He basically was saying that he doesn’t think a conservative big government plan is any better than a liberal one. That’s why this Ryan supporter has stayed open minded about listening to Gingrich.

cpaulus on November 30, 2011 at 5:22 PM

You can write this long comment in defense of Newt calling Ryan’s plan “right-wing social engineering” and yet I don’t doubt you continue to hold Perry’s “have no heart” comment against him.

Care to defend Gingrich on his “humane” comment also?

Yep! We certainly are in an alternate universe.

TheRightMan on November 30, 2011 at 5:49 PM

That probably is the no.1 reason she didn’t run.

promachus on November 30, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Either way. She miscalculated. Time to move on.

Money doesn’t win elections. McCain/Palin only lost by 4-5% in 2008. With a huge deficit of money.

lorien1973 on November 30, 2011 at 5:49 PM

By the way…

… Hannity is going to interview Newt for the entire hour on his show tonight.

Just sayin’…

Seven Percent Solution on November 30, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Seven Percent Solution on November 30, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Too bad Hannity will still use up 40 of the 45 minute with his tongue bathing.

lorien1973 on November 30, 2011 at 5:51 PM

I note you try to ridicule the messenger of said Q&A but you entirely avoid discussing the issues IN that Q&A itself.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Of course I ridicule the messenger.

It’s Joe f***g Scarborough. About as relevant to a discussion on who is conservative and who is not as Barrack Obama discussing English and non-English embassies.

angryed on November 30, 2011 at 5:47 PM

YOU STILL DIDN’T RESPOND TO THE FACTS OF THAT Q&A.

Those facts IN that Q&A were not ‘invented’ by Joe Scarborough but WERE documented BY HISTORY.

IF you can’t read that information just because you can’t tolerate the guy who composed the formatted article, then, please, don’t ever blight a ballot with your badly uninformed nonsense.

Read the Q&A, look at the results: it’s about cold, hard facts documented in history, it’s not about anyone’s “interpretation” of whomever. It’s a Q&A on legislative history.

Of course, we could all just insist Gingrich was “conservative” like you with your hands over your ears going “lalalalalala…”

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 5:51 PM

I guess we wait for the fairly recent joint Gingrich/Pelosi Global Warming ad to get replayed etc.

Also, there is no way I’ll support a serial adulterer like Gingrich for president.

scotash on November 30, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Looking back to 1995-1999 those were good days. While the media loved to give credit to Clinton, 1/2 (or more) of the credit belongs to Gingrich who forced Clinton to be the “Centrist Pragmatist New Democrat”.

1995 Govt Shutdown
1996 Welfare Reform
1997 Tax Reform

vs.

Romney-care aka The BluePrint for ObamaCare

It’s not even a contest.

angryed on November 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Yep! We certainly are in an alternate universe.

TheRightMan on November 30, 2011 at 5:49 PM

whatever you need to tell yourself. Your candidate is polling in the single digits. That’s not a path to victory.

alwaysfiredup on November 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Exactly. Right now even C4P is split half n half about supporting Newt versus wiating for Palin. None of them even considered Bachmann or Cain or Perry remotely acceptable.

promachus on November 30, 2011 at 5:48 PM

I don’t think Palin will endorse anyone yet, but a number of her supporters are definitely looking at Newt.

idesign on November 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM

You can write this long comment in defense of Newt calling Ryan’s plan “right-wing social engineering” and yet I don’t doubt you continue to hold Perry’s “have no heart” comment against him.

Care to defend Gingrich on his “humane” comment also?

Yep! We certainly are in an alternate universe.

TheRightMan on November 30, 2011 at 5:49 PM

I think many people would be just fine with Perry in the White House. I think few people see a realistic way for him to get there. I haven’t seen anyone here making the case that Newt is more conservative than Perry. Both are soft on illegal immigration. And both are preferable to Mitt.

Kataklysmic on November 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM

YOU STILL DIDN’T RESPOND TO THE FACTS OF THAT Q&A.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 5:51 PM

Doing so would give credence to the idea that I care what Joe Scarborough thinks.

angryed on November 30, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Exactly. Right now even C4P is split half n half about supporting Newt versus wiating for Palin. None of them even considered Bachmann or Cain or Perry remotely acceptable.

promachus on November 30, 2011 at 5:48 PM

They need to stop waiting…she has missed the deadline to get on numerous state ballots.

ladyingray on November 30, 2011 at 5:54 PM

jjshaka on November 30, 2011 at 5:41 PM

I’m in complete agreement. The arguments about whether he fits neatly into a proper conservative category
border on being more concerned about labeling than putting someone in office who has the best chance of fixing stuff. Labels are way secondary to capability of producing a major shift in the country’s direction.

a capella on November 30, 2011 at 5:55 PM

It’s a fixed pie. The more in-state tuition students admitted = the higher out of state tuition is. For every illegal that gets in state tuition, every out of state student pays more than he would otherwise pay. That’s not facts, that’s basic economics.

angryed on November 30, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Not really according to the state. The state gov says the illegal kids are filling spots that would not be otherwise filled. They are mostly going to community and lower ranked schools, which need the enrollment, so they are actually increasing the amount of tuition paid to the schools.

juliesa on November 30, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Is there a meaningful, substantive response to this specific criticism of Romney?

GaltBlvnAtty on November 30, 2011 at 5:56 PM

idesign on November 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM

I’d like to take this moment to say I TOTALLY CALLED IT on Newt about 24 hours after Palin’s announcement. People scoffed.

Nyah nyah, nyah nyah.

That is all.

alwaysfiredup on November 30, 2011 at 5:56 PM

He’s dropped in Montana too…

Why the heck did they poll the GOP primary in Montana? Our primary isn’t until June and we’re a very small state (population-wise). Absent the GOP’s version of the Obama-Hillary epic battle that goes on for months, Montana’s primary will be well after the nomination has been decided.

Still, interesting.

acasilaco on November 30, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Also, there is no way I’ll support a serial adulterer like Gingrich for president.

scotash on November 30, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Great. Then go ahead and vote for Mr. Family Man Obama.

angryed on November 30, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Newt – like many conservatives at the time – turned against mandates.

While Romney implemented one.

No one is further to the left of the person who thinks the proper role of government is to force people to buy something they may not want to purchase.

lorien1973 on November 30, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Oh, riiight, rationalization Number Eventy-Ninety-Nine. Amnesty isn’t amnesty though it is amnesty but it isn’t…

Notice Gingrich doesn’t say just what he “means” by “repeal Obamacare.”

It’s likely he’s got an entire ream of plans to implement “alternative” Gingrichcare while claiming he’s “repealing Obamacare”. Based upon one of Gingrich’s dedicated pursuits throughout his legislative history, he’s as keen on Obamacare under another name as anyone can be.

It’s disappointing to read some here who are so determined to just jump off that cliff because they’re mesmerized by some cult, oops, not cult but sect, by some sect’s group think now in fervor because Gingrich isn’t their Hate Object.

I THINK what some of you should address is just why you feel such animosity about Romney because you all seem mostly motivated to hate the man and are making desperately inaccurate, even destructive, statements and decisions because of that.

I’ll vote for Romney if he’s the nominee and I’ll support him if he is. I no longer regard Gingrich as qualified for the Presidency based upon what he continues to reveal as his bad character.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 5:57 PM

I no longer regard Gingrich as qualified for the Presidency based upon what he continues to reveal as his bad character.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Our national ship is sinking and we’re going to toss overboard one guy with solutions because of imperfect character?

He seems to be doing Callista a solid. Perchance he’s changed.

alwaysfiredup on November 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM

whatever you need to tell yourself. Your candidate is polling in the single digits. That’s not a path to victory.

alwaysfiredup on November 30, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Yes, Perry is currently polling in single digits but as the past months have shown, things can change almost instantly.

Recall Gingrich was also polling in single digits not too long ago? Heck, his campaign staffers left him for dead.

Keep deluding yourself into thinking the race is over based on polls that had us believe Crist would thrash Rubio, Castle was the inevitable lock for the Delaware Senate seat, and Murkowski could never lose her primary to an upstart.

It appears some never learn but let me tell you this:

Gingrich’s fall among the Not-Romneys will be the most spectacular. And then where will you go? I have no doubt you will prefer Romney to Perry.

TheRightMan on November 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Money doesn’t win elections. McCain/Palin only lost by 4-5% in 2008. With a huge deficit of money.

lorien1973 on November 30, 2011 at 5:49 PM

You are having it both ways. That’s okay, I guess.

promachus on November 30, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Also, there is no way I’ll support a serial adulterer like Gingrich for president.

scotash on November 30, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Great. Then go ahead and vote for Mr. Family Man Obama.

angryed on November 30, 2011 at 5:56 PM

@ “angryed” — you split terms ad-infinitum and avoid the obvious. I bet you still haven’t read and considered the facts as reported in that Q&A (link) I provided, have you?

Here it is again:

Who’s the Real RINO?

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:00 PM

I think it’s bizarre that the Palin folks like Gingrich more than Perry. Many of us Perry supporters have also been Palin supporters because they are buddies who have campaigned for each other and have the most similar policies. They have a lot in common governing big energy states too. Perry and Gingrich are friends too. The whole thing just seems odd to me, to the point the I am ready to say eff it and throw in with Mark Huntsman.

juliesa on November 30, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Gingrich’s fall among the Not-Romneys will be the most spectacular. And then where will you go? I have no doubt you will prefer Romney to Perry.

TheRightMan on November 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM

They will all go to Palin. That’s why most Newt supporters are worried about palin entering the race and are urging her supporters to commit to Newt before the lady resurfaces.

promachus on November 30, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Wow. These Lourdes threads bring back memories of 18 hour postings and 10,368 comment Palin threads.

Memories.

portlandon on November 30, 2011 at 6:02 PM

We might as well cancel the election and just let Obama keep the keys to the White House.

The Opinionator on November 30, 2011 at 4:35 PM

You know, I don’t think so. Instead I think I’m going to get behind Newt and beat Obama. Yes, that’s what I’m going to do. How do you feel about that? You going to be ok?

Irritable Pundit on November 30, 2011 at 6:02 PM

I THINK

No you just spew romney talking points.

what some of you should address

Noone’s playing your game.

is just why you feel such animosity about Romney

He is NOT conservative by both his words and deeds.

I’ll vote for Romney if he’s the nominee and I’ll support him if he is. I no longer regard Gingrich as qualified for the Presidency based upon what he continues to reveal as his bad character.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 5:57 PM

You’re just a Romney shill. I hope he’s paying you well.

gh on November 30, 2011 at 6:02 PM

They need to stop waiting…she has missed the deadline to get on numerous state ballots.

ladyingray on November 30, 2011 at 5:54 PM

They are waiting to see if and who she will support, and many are more interested in helping her take back the Senate and keep the house.

idesign on November 30, 2011 at 6:02 PM

It appears some never learn but let me tell you this:

Gingrich’s fall among the Not-Romneys will be the most spectacular. And then where will you go? I have no doubt you will prefer Romney to Perry.

TheRightMan on November 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM

The obvious comment to follow that is that they do the obvious: they deploy an “elect Palin” ad with her screeching throughout the spot, well past the time she could actually do that legally on a nationwide election.

They’re lost in some Toy Story. Hopeless.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:02 PM

I THINK what some of you should address is just why you feel such animosity about Romney because you all seem mostly motivated to hate the man and are making desperately inaccurate, even destructive, statements and decisions because of that.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 5:57 PM

I was totally devoted to Romney in the 2008 election. But over the past several years, he just seems like he believes he is entitled to the nomination… sort of like the “It’s my turn” debacle that got McCain nominated. As far as Gingrich goes, he’s got baggage but isn’t he entitled to change his stance on AGW now that the REAL facts have been divulged? I think he is a Patriot and I believe he loves this Nation. We need someone strong, knowledgable and someone who can mop the floor with Obama. I think that guy is Newt.

This election will be much more important than 2004 IMHO. If Romney gets the nom I’ll vote for him, but I think Gingrich is stronger.

Key West Reader on November 30, 2011 at 6:02 PM

The rest of us don’t WANT to visit your enclaves and don’t find your sort of behaviors attractive, inspiring or worthy of too much comment otherwise.

One of the primary reasons you all have to beg “Romneybots” to try and share their views is you don’t have much attractiveness to others and people other than your enclaved lot aren’t keen on associating with you.

You’ve harassed and ridiculed Romney supporters to such an extent that I’m surprised that they maintain some level of aplomb and composure and are polite enough to walk away from you.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Yes, that’s the spirit! Cry cry cry about anonymous online commenters anonymously commenting online, as has happened since the dawn of the internet! Don’t you hate it when like-minded individuals set up enclaves where they can shield themselves from the prejudiced views of outsiders? I guess you could say we’re the Utah of the internet. In any case, blaming the internet for being anonymous and prone to group-thought is like blaming gravity for Mitt Romney’s Florida numbers.

And if I need to know the view from Romneyland, I’ll buy his book, not read it, and refer myself back to it.

Lawdawg86 on November 30, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Listening to Steyn, it’s amazing how many do not get it. Even the great “one-man content provider” himself seems to be running amiss, if not dry.

We all know Newt’s flaws. The DEEP flaws. Yet he is the one who can run obama into the ground in debate, who can articulate a vision at a time when we desperately need one.

Romney is failing. The more people get to know him, the less they like him. Paul is off the wall on foreign policy. The others have disqualified themselves with their pettiness. Newt is left standing. Obama would pull a win out from any of them except Newt. This is not difficult.

paul1149 on November 30, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Wow. These Lourdes threads bring back memories of 18 hour postings and 10,368 comment Palin threads.

Memories.

portlandon on November 30, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Gentleman callers.

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 6:04 PM

They are waiting to see if and who she will support, and many are more interested in helping her take back the Senate and keep the house.

idesign on November 30, 2011 at 6:02 PM

And next you’ll all get her image tattoo’d on your arms, legs or forehead, right? That is, if you haven’t already.

I’m thinking I will be walking a mile around whoever she “endorses.” It will simply cement her affinity with the Progressives, as in her past.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:04 PM

I still like Perry, along w/ Newt. But I wonder if many of us feel safer with Newt because we’re tired of being embarrassed by conservative candidates who freeze during debates and interviews.

I love Sarah but the ‘what do you read’ part of the Couric interview was embarrassing. If it was a ‘gotcha’ question, tell Couric flat out that you won’t answer her stupid question and why rather than appear lobotomized.

Which brings us to Newt. He’s crazy smart and (unlike others) thoroughly seasoned in dealing with the media on a national stage.

jazz_piano on November 30, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Wow. These Lourdes threads bring back memories of 18 hour postings and 10,368 comment Palin threads.

Memories.

portlandon on November 30, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Gentleman callers.

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Thanks for affirming that you’re both losers. I mean, you’re both losers. And I bet you wouldn’t know a gentleman if he opened a door for you.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Exactly. Right now even C4P is split half n half about supporting Newt versus wiating for Palin. None of them even considered Bachmann or Cain or Perry remotely acceptable.

promachus on November 30, 2011 at 5:48 PM

And yet I was called crazy for coining the term “bitter Palinistas” who jumped aboard the Cain train and have now moved en masse to the Gingrich train.

AllahP, you wanted to know why some appear set to vote for Gingrich in preference to Perry.

Here is your answer:

Never underestimate the hatred some Palinistas have for Perry. Their motto is “Any Not-Romney but Perry”. They hate him that bad and continue to blame him for Palin not running.

Allow them to remain on the Gingrich train until it derails then you will hear them whine some more and some will then begin to push Romney in preference to Perry. Think it won’t happen? Think again.

TheRightMan on November 30, 2011 at 6:06 PM

For all the people here that say they won’t vote for Newt because of his past and lobbying and sleaze, etc.- Google ” President Chester A. Arthur”.
As corrupt as they came- until he had to lead.
I’ll roll that dice versus Obama picking the 5th liberal justice and 4 more years of carnage.
We don’t have the luxury of not voting for the nominee.

jjshaka on November 30, 2011 at 6:06 PM

I think it’s bizarre that the Palin folks like Gingrich more than Perry. Many of us Perry supporters have also been Palin supporters because they are buddies who have campaigned for each other and have the most similar policies. They have a lot in common governing big energy states too. Perry and Gingrich are friends too. The whole thing just seems odd to me, to the point the I am ready to say eff it and throw in with Mark Huntsman.

juliesa on November 30, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Yea, we saw how all you Perry supporters treated Palin here, a few months ago….

Deal with it.

idesign on November 30, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Wow. These Lourdes threads bring back memories of 18 hour postings and 10,368 comment Palin threads.

Memories.

portlandon on November 30, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Since when is this “a Palin thread”?

Oh, riiight, in your sect, Everything Is Palin. She’s All Around You. She’s Everywhere. You Are Her. She Is Above You. No men allowed, especially if they’re gentleman but you do so love those gossipy guys who smear others.

I’d say you were funny but you aren’t.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:07 PM

considered the facts as reported in that Q&A (link) I provided, have you?

Here it is again:

“Who’s the Real RINO?“

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:00 PM

For the 12th time, I don’t care what Joe Scarborough has to say.

angryed on November 30, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Newt is going to be a disaster for the country. This is from his website on immigration:

If citizens of other nations want to invest and create jobs in America, then we should be making it easier for them to invest, work and potentially gain citizenship through an expanded EB-5 program. The EB-5 program grants permanent residency to overseas investors who create and maintain at least ten American jobs.

The existing EB-5 program, which sets as high as a $1 million minimum investment to be considered for legal residency, is too restrictive and selective. We must expand this program to allow for foreign entrepreneurs who may not have the capital yet, but have the ability to come to the United States and raise enough American capital to form a business.

http://www.newt.org/solutions/immigration

This is essentially citizenship for sale, and will cause our housing prices to skyrocket just like Canada’s due to massive numbers of wealthy Chinese who want to launder their questionably attained money in American real estate. Shacks in Vancouver and Toronto run for millions.

If you thought our housing bubble five years ago was bad. Imagine if every Chinese in China can get US citizenship by buying a $200k home. A steal for most Chinese since a $200k home in China gets you a 80 square feet concrete box. Soon that home won’t be $200k anymore.

Fannie Mae….

haner on November 30, 2011 at 6:08 PM

we saw how all you Perry supporters treated Palin here, a few months ago….

Deal with it.

idesign on November 30, 2011 at 6:07 PM

You win the World’s Tiniest Screeching Violin.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:08 PM

BTW, in case is hasn’t been noted 49 times today, when Bachmann, Santorum, Perry, and Cain drop out, those votes will mostly go to Gingrich.

I think he’s got this in the bag, for better or worse.

jazz_piano on November 30, 2011 at 6:08 PM

I am still shaking my head. Watch the new ad from Ron Paul on Gingrich. Obama and his people will tear him apart in the general. The Freddie Mac payouts will be the death knell.

Watch and weep people…the line especially about politicians who profited from the collapse is especially stunning. This is the man who republicans like more than Mitt Romney? then add his personal life baggage…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKTOCP45zY&feature=youtu.be

Chudi on November 30, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Which brings us to Newt. He’s crazy smart and (unlike others) thoroughly seasoned in dealing with the media on a national stage.

jazz_piano on November 30, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Exactly. I like Mitt Romney but he is too into being “liked” by an MSM who will destroy him. His positions change to easily. Newt will literally leave Obama speechless in any debate. Obama is a certifiable Marxist and he MUST be removed from office. I think Newt can run a positive campaign and wipe the floor with MO’s beard.

Key West Reader on November 30, 2011 at 6:10 PM

For the 12th time, I don’t care what Joe Scarborough has to say.

angryed on November 30, 2011 at 6:07 PM

It isn’t what HE has to “say,” it’s what those three candidates HAVE SAID about who they are based upon their own actions and behaviors.

You really are avoiding reality.

Isn’t there some hot gossip going on over on one of those fortressed sites that adulates Palin? I’m sure there’s someone over there going on and on about someone over here or over there or maybe there, somewhere, all the many mean people…

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Gingrich’s fall among the Not-Romneys will be the most spectacular. And then where will you go? I have no doubt you will prefer Romney to Perry.

TheRightMan on November 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM

That’s just nonsense. I will write Palin in before I vote Romney.

alwaysfiredup on November 30, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Aren’t you a Romney supporter?

sharrukin on November 30, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Yup. That’s the hazelhatchery part of it. She didn’t think Palin was conservative either

katy the mean old lady on November 30, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Since when is this “a Palin thread”?

Oh, riiight, in your sect, Everything Is Palin. She’s All Around You. She’s Everywhere. You Are Her. She Is Above You. No men allowed, especially if they’re gentleman but you do so love those gossipy guys who smear others.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Since you won’t shut up about her.

sharrukin on November 30, 2011 at 6:12 PM

I am holding off on Newt till it becomes clear what intends to do on energy, global warming, freddie mac etc.

promachus on November 30, 2011 at 6:12 PM

The Romney dream is collapsing and everyone wakes up at Newt’s inauguration. :-)

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Yup. That’s the hazelhatchery part of it. She didn’t think Palin was conservative either

katy the mean old lady on November 30, 2011 at 6:11 PM

I think it has more to do with jealousy than anything else.
It certainly isn’t rational.

sharrukin on November 30, 2011 at 6:13 PM

BTW, in case is hasn’t been noted 49 times today, when Bachmann, Santorum, Perry, and Cain drop out, those votes will mostly go to Gingrich.

I think he’s got this in the bag, for better or worse.

jazz_piano on November 30, 2011 at 6:08 PM

And the GOP will once again be dragged into Hades by just enough people who refuse to address reality and who are more interested in and influenced by group-pressure to think independently.

It’s a crying shame if Gingrich is the nominee. Just a crying shame. And if he’s elected, you all will have managed to ruin our nation just as much as the Democrats are hoping their alternate-identity fellow Progressives will.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:13 PM

I have trouble believing that the GOP is going to throw the dice on… of all people… Newt Freaking Gingrich!

The reason it took us this long to get around to him is we all knew he would lose to Obama. Big time. And now, instead of going down with a tea-partier, or a right-wing ideologue, we are preparing to go down with maybe the biggest DC insider there is.

I think I may throw up.

JohnGalt23 on November 30, 2011 at 4:35 PM

The best part of it is when Gingrich goes down in flames in the general, the Tea Party and the purists will get the blame too. The GOP will be over; there will be mutiny on both sides. The party would have blown a very winnable election.

haner on November 30, 2011 at 6:14 PM

haner on November 30, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Since you insist on spamming every thread with this in hopes of harming Newt, let me make a few suggestions:

1) Take out the parts about incentivizing job creators. Some people may want a job even if it is being provided by an icky foreigner.

2) Take out the part about how home prices may increase. Some people suffering underwater on their equity position make like the sound of that.

3) Add in something about how Newt cheated on his former wives. The 4 people who don’t know about that yet may find it persuasive and decide to back either Mitt or Obama since neither have had any credible affairs surface.

Kataklysmic on November 30, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Listening to Steyn, it’s amazing how many do not get it. Even the great “one-man content provider” himself seems to be running amiss, if not dry.

We all know Newt’s flaws. The DEEP flaws. Yet he is the one who can run obama into the ground in debate, who can articulate a vision at a time when we desperately need one.

paul1149 on November 30, 2011 at 6:04 PM

No, WE get it! You do not get it.

Your narrow-mindedness in thinking that 2013 – 2017 will consist of President Newt debating non-stop is what baffles us.

Let’s give you your wet dream. Let’s assume Newt wipes the floor with Obama in the general debates next year – never going to happen – but then what?

Do you trust President Newt to make the federal Govt. inconsequential in our lives? If you do then your naivety is beyond redemption.

TheRightMan on November 30, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Criminently, Lourdes. Don’t have a meltdown. Romney’s is not a Conservative and Conservatives in the Heartland simply do not wish for him to be the Republican candidate.

kingsjester on November 30, 2011 at 6:15 PM

I am holding off on Newt till it becomes clear what intends to do on energy, global warming, freddie mac etc.

promachus on November 30, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Great points! add crony Capitalism to the list.

idesign on November 30, 2011 at 6:15 PM

It’s a crying shame if Gingrich is the nominee. Just a crying shame. And if he’s elected, you all will have managed to ruin our nation…

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Balanced the budget.

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 6:15 PM

I am holding off on Newt till it becomes clear what intends to do on energy, global warming, freddie mac etc.

promachus on November 30, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Have you had a chance to read this yet? It’s long, but substantive.

Kataklysmic on November 30, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Never underestimate the hatred some Palinistas have for Perry. Their motto is “Any Not-Romney but Perry”. They hate him that bad and continue to blame him for Palin not running.

TheRightMan on November 30, 2011 at 6:06 PM

And your .000 batting average is unthreatened. I was looking forward to Perry’s potential despite the annoying supporters. But he whiffed. Badly. And repeatedly. Yes, he may have prevented her from running, but that doesn’t make him a bad candidate. His own missteps make him a bad candidate.

I’m going with the not-Romney who seems to know what he is talking about, and it seems I’m not alone.

alwaysfiredup on November 30, 2011 at 6:16 PM

And the GOP will once again be dragged into Hades by just enough people who refuse to address reality and who are more interested in and influenced by group-pressure to think independently.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:13 PM

So, the lunatic who is posting every other comment on this thread and ranting about the nation’s impending descent into “Hades” (what are you, Greek or something?) is lecturing us about our tenuous grip on reality? You need a reboot, Mittbot.

Lawdawg86 on November 30, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Balanced the budget.

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 6:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKTOCP45zY&feature=youtu.be

Chudi on November 30, 2011 at 6:17 PM

It’s a crying shame if Gingrich is the nominee. Just a crying shame. And if he’s elected, you all will have managed to ruin our nation just as much as the Democrats are hoping their alternate-identity fellow Progressives will.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Lourdes, can you please re-post that Gingrich link you spoke of up-thread? I would like to read it. Thanks very much.

Key West Reader on November 30, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Yup. That’s the hazelhatchery part of it. She didn’t think Palin was conservative either

katy the mean old lady on November 30, 2011 at 6:11 PM

I think it has more to do with jealousy than anything else.
It certainly isn’t rational.

sharrukin on November 30, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Neither of you has any hope of ever winning any academic awards, if not long ago, at least not evermore.

Read the history of Gingrich on the issues. He’s not a Conservative.

And Palin claimed that McCain, an avowed Progressive (who is not nor never was “a Conservative”) represented her views “on all the issues” completely, perfectly, whatever her last word was in that regard.

And I feel no jealousy toward anyone else, least of all you two. And I don’t find anything about Palin to even motivate my interest, much moreso any “jealousy”.

But I’m sure you can generate more gossip over on one of those barricaded websites, come up with some other gossip, oh, like, hey, I wish that salmon had ‘slapped my thigh’ like Sarah Palin’s, something you can manufacture I just.must.be.thinking, like that.

What a bunch of losers. And I do mean, losers. But old gossip hounds, you never give up, you just sag more.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Probably get lost in the haze of this voluminous thread, but one of the up-sides of Newt running in the general *will* be the debates between him and the SCOAMF POTUS. (Look for there to be a record minimum in this category.)

..I only hope it carries home over the finish line in the lead on 6 November 2012.

The War Planner on November 30, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Newt – like many conservatives at the time – turned against mandates.

While Romney implemented one.

lorien1973 on November 30, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Okay, you confuse me here. I am not a Romney supporter, but Newt it to the left of Romney on mandates… Newt has been a driving force behind the nightmare that has become medicine…. and not in a good way…

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=8185AE95-CBF5-4109-A70B-AF967064E3F7

I wish people would look at what Newt has been doing before they all march off the closest pier to support him… he was practically run out of congress, the GOP wanted him to quit… and he has been a very busy boy since he left. He is as big a disaster as Romney.

Rapunzel on November 30, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Yup. That’s the hazelhatchery part of it. She didn’t think Palin was conservative either

katy the mean old lady on November 30, 2011 at 6:11 PM

I think it has more to do with jealousy than anything else.
It certainly isn’t rational.

sharrukin on November 30, 2011 at 6:13 PM

You two gossips never fade away, unfortunately.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:19 PM

I’m a Perry man. He’s got executive experiance to turn this ship around.

I’m with him till the end.

This election is about rolling back Obama’s policies and RP will do that and change the tax code.

Newt?

Conger on November 30, 2011 at 6:19 PM

The Romney dream is collapsing and everyone wakes up at Newt’s inauguration after Newt’s epic landslide loss in the general. :-)

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Fixed it for you.

haner on November 30, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Rapunzel on November 30, 2011 at 6:18 PM

As I see it, Newt came up with individual mandate as an idea in his fight against Hillarycare and it was quickly disbursed through policy circles like Heritage from where Romney picked and implemented it. I am not sure who is worse, ROmney who acted on it or Newt who was the driving force behind the idea.

promachus on November 30, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Since you won’t shut up about her.

sharrukin on November 30, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Maybe you can convince JimBob to order you up a Filipino or Russian bride, that would keep you occupied for a while longer.

And notice I’m not the one who has created entire websites about “her”. Hardly an indication of what you suggest.

But the Hate-Romney bunch have. I just find it obnoxious that you continue your attacks upon any who hasn’t stumbled into your sect or writes about anything else.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Ron Paul is a Hypocrite and INSANE more importantly.

He voted against the Ryan Plan, now trying to criticize Gingrich over it.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 6:22 PM

There’s still plenty of time for Palin Trump Bachmann Perry Cain Gingrich to melt down and for Buddy Roemer to have his audition.

The only question is who is going to pay the bill for all the cases of whiplash that the kook-Cons are now plagued with.

In the end, we have only one candidate this year. His name is Mitt Romney. Sorry, but Daniels chose not to run and so denied us any alternative.

MJBrutus on November 30, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Wow..I can remember the day when if you mentioned the name “Newt” on HA and you would have been laughed at..:)

Dire Straits on November 30, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Since you won’t shut up about her.

sharrukin on November 30, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Oh, riiight, it’s everyone else’s problem.

One of her sect mentions ‘her,’ whoever responds outside the sect-acceptable-speak is then attacked, maligned, deemed to not “shut up about her.”

Even this post, her name isn’t even IN the title or the post contents, yet it’s deemed by her sect to be “about her”.

You all are really an embarrassment to reasonable mental health.

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:24 PM

MJBrutus on November 30, 2011 at 6:23 PM

You Go Buddy..:)

Dire Straits on November 30, 2011 at 6:25 PM

The Romney dream is collapsing and everyone wakes up at Newt’s inauguration after Newt’s epic landslide loss in the general. :-)

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Fixed it for you.

haner on November 30, 2011 at 6:19 PM

No, I fixed it for you. :-D

BTW, Romney is a scumbag who I will take the great pleasure in defeating. Such a thin-skinned and lying know-nothing like Romney doesn’t need to be anywhere near the button.

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Newt Lifetime ACU Rating is 94%

jp on November 30, 2011 at 6:26 PM

People call Romney a flip flopper, but Newt is a flip flopper on steroids…in addition to marital problems and his millions from freddie Mac.

What the hell are so-called conservatives really smoking?

Chudi on November 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Wednesday, January 22 1997:

The Republican House voted overwhelmingly yesterday to reprimand House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) and order him to pay an unprecedented $300,000 penalty, the first time in the House’s 208-year history it has disciplined a speaker for ethical wrongdoing.

The ethics case and its resolution leave Gingrich with little leeway for future personal controversies, House Republicans said. Exactly one month before yesterday’s vote, Gingrich admitted that he brought discredit to the House and broke its rules by failing to ensure that financing for two projects would not violate federal tax law and by giving the House ethics committee false information.
“Newt has done some things that have embarrassed House Republicans and embarrassed the House,” said Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.). “If [the voters] see more of that, they will question our judgment.”

haner on November 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM

I think it’s bizarre that the Palin folks like Gingrich more than Perry. Many of us Perry supporters have also been Palin supporters because they are buddies who have campaigned for each other and have the most similar policies. They have a lot in common governing big energy states too. Perry and Gingrich are friends too. The whole thing just seems odd to me, to the point the I am ready to say eff it and throw in with Mark Huntsman.

juliesa on November 30, 2011 at 6:00 PM

juliesa, it was something that was started on the Conservatives4Palin site.

After Perry got in, the general meme was that the door had now closed to a Palin un – because many knew that the two shared the same base.

Some Palinistas took it pretty hard and started going back into past events to try to demonstrate that Perry was jealous of Palin, etc… Palin’s endorsement of Perry for his re-election meant nothing to them.

And so it began. These Palinistas started from Day 1 to undermine Perry and teamed up with Romney/Bachmann/Santorum to bash Perry on anything from Gardasil to the Texas Dream Act.

As you can guess, they were ecstatic when he fell in the polls and happily boarded the Cain train. Before the Cain train derailed, they had already started selling Gingrich as the next train to board.

And so here we are.

I am watching with interest to see where they will go to when the Gingrich train also derails.

TheRightMan on November 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Newt Lifetime ACU Rating is 94%

jp on November 30, 2011 at 6:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKTOCP45zY&feature=youtu.be

Chudi on November 30, 2011 at 6:28 PM

AllahPundit posted this link a few days ago on twitter.

It is informative and would be really helpful for reasonable people (who vote) to read it and consider the issues involved and the answers to the questions.

These are questions based upon legislative histories of Huntsman, Romney and Gingrich, and reveal the facts about who they are on the issues.

It’s a shame it was reported on and by the sources involved, but the questions and answers are factual, supported by history and are not “manufactured” or imagined by opponents. It’s a fact-based Q&A and should be carefully considered.

Because what it reveals is how manipulated some are who claim to be “on the Right” yet who refuse to consider these facts (as revealed in the Q&A).

Who’s the Real RINO?

Lourdes on November 30, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Wow..I can remember the day when if you mentioned the name “Newt” on HA and you would have been laughed at..:)

Dire Straits on November 30, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Romney Derangement Syndrome makes people do weird things, including the party committing suicide when it loses a very winnable election in 2012.

haner on November 30, 2011 at 6:29 PM

What the hell are so-called conservatives really smoking?

Chudi on November 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Tobacco. You should try it sometime.

Lawdawg86 on November 30, 2011 at 6:29 PM

I’m not surprised by this. Romney is uninspiring and dull. How dull? Put a pen in his hand and have him refer to himself in the third person and you’ll have an exact match.

A lot of people don’t want to vote for him but feel they may have to. This lack of enthusiasm is likely to Obama winning through apathy.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on November 30, 2011 at 6:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKTOCP45zY&feature=youtu.be

Chudi on November 30, 2011 at 6:28 PM

and RuPaul has a much lower rating, being the Insane disgraceful Nutcase he is. Who Opposed the Ryan Plan his pathetic video is based on.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Wednesday, January 22 1997:

The Republican House voted overwhelmingly yesterday to reprimand House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) and order him to pay an unprecedented $300,000 penalty, the first time in the House’s 208-year history it has disciplined a speaker for ethical wrongdoing.

The ethics case and its resolution leave Gingrich with little leeway for future personal controversies, House Republicans said. Exactly one month before yesterday’s vote, Gingrich admitted that he brought discredit to the House and broke its rules by failing to ensure that financing for two projects would not violate federal tax law and by giving the House ethics committee false information.
“Newt has done some things that have embarrassed House Republicans and embarrassed the House,” said Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.). “If [the voters] see more of that, they will question our judgment.”

haner on November 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Eighty four politically motivated ethics charges were filed against Newt when he was Speaker of the House regarding the use of tax exempt funds for a college course he taught titled “Renewing American Civilization.” Eighty-three of the eighty-four charges were found to be without merit and dropped. The remaining charge had to do with contradictory documents prepared by Newt’s lawyer supplied during the course of the investigation. Newt took responsibility for the error and agreed to reimburse the committee the cost of the investigation into that discrepancy. In 1999, after a 3 ½ year investigation, the Internal Revenue Service (under President Bill Clinton, nonetheless) concluded that Gingrich did not violate any tax laws, leading renowned CNN Investigative Reporter Brooks Jackson to remark on air “it turns out [Gingrich] was right and those who accused him of tax fraud were wrong.”

Kataklysmic on November 30, 2011 at 6:30 PM

I like a lot of Newt’s ideas to lead us out of the mess we’re in.

We can nitpick to death ANY of these candidates. Or we can choose someone with strong vision and good solutions going forward to revive our country.

nickj116 on November 30, 2011 at 6:30 PM

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