Cain: The Democrats might be trying to take me down because I’m their worst nightmare and they’d rather face Gingrich

posted at 7:56 pm on November 30, 2011 by Allahpundit

Makes sense. Who wouldn’t rather face a skilled debater and policy wonk with lots of government experience than a neophyte who sometimes has trouble stating the conservative line against abortion? Skip ahead to 8:30 of the first clip and keep watching through the first two minutes or so of the second. The best part is when he speculates that people have to resort to smear tactics because they can’t make anything stick when they attack him on … foreign policy. Here’s the map from the foreign-policy section of his website, by the way.

If you lost track of whether he’s staying in or getting out of the race, here’s how things have played out over the last 24 hours. Last night, Mark Block said there’s “no way he’s dropping out.” Then today Cain told reporters, “We are reassessing and reevaluating.” Then he got up onstage in Dayton and declared that “The American people are going to raise some Cain in 2012!” and that, while some people may want him to drop out, “The American people have a different idea.” Then he sat down with Cavuto and said he’ll decide whether to quit or not over the next week. That’s just the sort of uncertainty wealthy donors want to hear, I’m sure. Allen West told a radio show this morning that it’s time for Cain to pack it in and quit being a distraction to the rest of the field, a sentiment that seemed to be shared (but not explicitly echoed) by several Republican governors at today’s RGA meeting. NBC asks a good question, though:

What does Cain have to gain by getting out of the GOP presidential race? A future political career? A vice-presidential nomination? You could make the case that by staying in the race – and having some positive debate performances down the stretch – Cain could return to the candidate he was back in August (that is, someone who’s on the stage, who can deliver some memorable lines and is likeable, but who isn’t a threat to win in Iowa or anywhere else).

Yeah, but what does he gain by staying in, especially if there’s a risk of more accusers coming forward? His home life must be suffering from all this and that’ll only make it worse. The only reason I can think of to stick it out is that he’s angling for a show on Fox News a la Huckabee or some similar media platform after the campaign’s over and leaving the race under a cloud of suspicion might hurt his chances at a contract. I don’t think he has to worry — in a world where Client Number Nine can anchor CNN’s primetime line-up, Cain should be just fine — but it probably helps his marketability to persevere, deny everything, and blame the Democrats and the media for being smear machines. Then again, the greater the number of accusers, the more people will wonder about him and the less marketable he’ll be. If he drops out now, media interest in him will evaporate and, probably, so will the chance of new allegations. Tough call. Exit question via Cavuto: If this really is a smear machine at work, how come none of the other candidates have been targeted?



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BKennedy on November 30, 2011 at 11:46 PM

Your mind really imagines that those statements adds up to any circumstances. Like I said delusional little tin foil hat wearing lunatic, does anything you ever say come with evidence that goes beyond your delusions?
You claim there is no middle ground. I am guessing your ground is that 100% of everything is pure as the snow that falls in Antarctica in July or something. That there was no behavior that allowed these allegations to have some level of credibility.
You are the one stuck in an all or nothing black or white world. You are the one stuck in a racist world (delusional and only in your head).

I see there are far more possibilities and have said so many times where I place my judgement as to the likely truth. My thoughts on this are all over this site. I think Cain has a character flaw where he feels compelled for ego reasons to put himself into questionable situations with women. I even say that the only aspect of the accusers accusations that are probably true is that they spent time alone with him, at his invitation and pleasure. It is not the black and white you claim people are trying to make it out to be. So your attacks on me are placed far from a legitimate target.

I do know what innocent until guilty is. It is you who does not. If a family has a child, and their baby sitter is accused of hurting another family’s child, every thing that you see that babysitter do will make you question if you should allow them to continue to care for your child. In fact, I would imagine 90% or more would get rid of the babysitter regardless of the evidence and long before a trial. It is just not worth the risk. Do you claim that these parents are doing the wrong thing? What happens if the babysitter is in fact harming children. Would you then catch 22 them and say that they should have known better and that they were effectively child abusers for not having ensured the safety of their children because they had been warned by the previous charges that were not provable in court?

I guess you are one of those people who truly believe that O.J. Simpson is a victim of his wife’s murder. You probably think that Anthony Wiener really did make a silly mistake and also was hacked, since there was no trial or real solid evidence. You probably believe that Barney Frank really did simply forget about the income coming from his offshore rental property. You do not think that Dodd got a sweet heart deal and because of that protected the loan company that gave it to him. You believe that Fast and Furious was just a misunderstanding, and totally on the up and up and that Holder and Obama knew not one bit about it. You believe that Solyndra really was non biased non political loan to what Obama thought was a good bet with American taxpayer money, and that when they subverted the loans so that Obama’s big donors became the first in line for money, that was totally on the up and up. Why? Because there is no smoking gun lock solid evidence and no one is behind bars. Obama, according to the rock solid evidence truly is a conservative in (D) clothing. Obama never heard what Wright preached. Obama never knew that Ayer’s was a terrorist or that he was the one that threw that fundraiser for him. Man, this list is long.

astonerii on December 1, 2011 at 12:06 AM

TheyI’ll keep reinforcing those beliefs to the bitter end.

BKennedy on December 1, 2011 at 12:06 AM

And there you have it. Right from the delusional man’s mouth. Yet he does not even see it.

astonerii on December 1, 2011 at 12:08 AM

So astonerii, now that you’ve pulled the race card on me and completely ignored me stuffing your statement you’d vote for Obama just to spite me, what are you going to do now?

The media thought they killed Cain’s candidacy dead with the sketchy sexual harassment charges. It didn’t kill Cain’s campaign, in fact his donations rolled in even stronger.

Now they are making a second go at it with an account that does not even hold up to basic scrutiny from a person who has successfully been sued for libel before.

Do you really believe Herman Cain was maintaining an extramarital affair with a woman while being treated for stage four colon cancer? Do you really believe that Herman Cain’s wife would not know everything about her husband knowing that there was a 70% chance he would not be alive in 6 months? Would she really go through with allowing her husband to run a presidential campaign knowing that if these allegations were true they would invariably come up?

That thought is incomprehensible to any logical person. But then, logical people do not vote for President out of a need to spite the supporters of a different Republican candidate.

BKennedy on December 1, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Absolutely not defending Ginger White but previous comments referred to a lesbian affair between White and Vay who were business partners. Track back from the blogs to the original story. Is it just bad writing/lacking clarity by the ABC reporter?

Rather than a lesbian affair is it “The female bodybuilder, who once ran a bicycle business with latest Herman Cain accuser Ginger White, says the Atlanta woman (White) never mentioned the Republican presidential candidate, who she (White) says was her (White) lover (Cain) for 13 years.”

momoftxmomof3 on December 1, 2011 at 12:25 AM

BKennedy,

Your level of denial is worse than any alcoholic I’ve ever seen. It’s stunning.

First of all, Cain and this woman go back almost 14 years. That means 1997-98. Cain was diagnosed with cancer in 2006 and says he’s been cancer-free for five years. So, for a time, he was dealing with stage four colon cancer. But certainly not the entire past 13 years.

Cain lived in separate cities from his wife while he was running the NRA. He was partying it up in D.C. for three years, while she was back home in Omaha. He admits this.

Dude, seriously. For your own good, open your eyes.

Herman Cain is not the man you think he is. You have been conned.

bigred on December 1, 2011 at 3:21 AM

People already have it locked in their minds that xyz candidate is xyz. Theyxyz’ll keep reinforcing those beliefs to the bitter end.

BKennedy on December 1, 2011 at 12:06 AM

RINO in Name Only on December 1, 2011 at 5:19 AM

Herman Cain is not the man you think he is. You have been conned.

bigred on December 1, 2011 at 3:21 AM

Some of his supporters have invented a man that they like and have established a remarkable loyalty to their invention in a short period of time. I’m sure there is a name for this particular type of mental illness, but I don’t know what it is.

Jaibones on December 1, 2011 at 6:35 AM

Some of his supporters have invented a man that they like and have established a remarkable loyalty to their invention in a short period of time. I’m sure there is a name for this particular type of mental illness, but I don’t know what it is.

Jaibones on December 1, 2011 at 6:35 AM

It’s probably a bigger sign of mental illness that people are extrapolating a 13 year affair from 61 phone calls or text messages in the last eight months from a person who has been sued by her own business partner for libel and lost.

I’m not in denial, the Cain knockers are just stone-draggingly stupid or impossibly gullible. They will let the media kill a candidate on unfounded accusations from people whose most rocky known relationship is with telling the truth, and they refuse to believe the same media that covered up Bill Clinton’s rapes and sexual assaults and John Edwards’ love child might be selective in how they treat stories about a candidate for president’s sex life.

No decent or honest person should ever run for office, because there is a whole swath of Republican voters who will treat unfounded character assassination as gospel truth if it temporarily helps their candidate by destroying another one.

We deserve who we get if we’re going to be this myopic and destroy our own while our actual foe is the worst president in the United States’ long history.

BKennedy on December 1, 2011 at 7:24 AM

So astonerii, now that you’ve pulled the race card on me and completely ignored me stuffing your statement you’d vote for Obama just to spite me, what are you going to do now?

BKennedy on December 1, 2011 at 12:22 AM

You got some more delusions going on in your head? Show me where I pulled a race card.

Its all a conspiracy! Someone please make the voices stop!

astonerii on December 1, 2011 at 8:17 AM

Cain is becoming a caricature of himself – this is all laughable.

Amjean on December 1, 2011 at 8:31 AM

DWTS anyone?

Kissmygrits on December 1, 2011 at 8:40 AM

Oh yeah, why wouldn’t the dems and Obama want to run against a candidate like Newt Gingrich who was a huge advocate of the lousy trade deal NAFTA, and still believes that US sovereignty and resources should be up for sale to the highest bidder.. the same Newt who has consistently been an advocate for open borders, the same Newt who has been on the payroll of the Saudis, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.. who cozies up cheek and jowl with Pelosi and other corruptocrats like her. I mean, slick Willie Clinton’s advocacy for Gingrich as the GOP nominee is based on, ‘respect’, right?

Face it, if Cain wasn’t a real threat to Obama, they wouldn’t have been hurling racist epithets, and all kinds of slander and abuse at him from the very first. I have to wonder why the ptb at Hot Air, and so many conservatives are so willing to allow the MSM to dictate who the GOP nominee should be, as from the get go, the MSM has demanded either Gingrich, Romney or Huntsman.

Ceolas on December 1, 2011 at 9:27 AM

Cain lived in separate cities from his wife while he was running the NRA. He was partying it up in D.C. for three years, while she was back home in Omaha. He admits this.

Sneak a little lie in with the truth. Cain does NOT admit partying it up in DC.

Here’s the deal. Some of you think supporters of Cain are delusional because they believe in Cain’s innocence until PROVEN guilty. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, both who purport to KNOW Herman Cain for a number of years (10 years I believe) indicate that THEY do not believe the allegations because the allegations do not fit with the man they know. Admittedly, I do not know Herman Cain. I know his vocalized policies, his public life and what he says. He says these accusations are not true. I have to give him the benefit of innocence because those that do know him say he is not known as a womanizer (and it’s pretty obvious to friends if you are).

Bottom line: I admit that Rahm Emanuel and whoever else is behind these smears have done their dirty work well with the help of the media. I admit that Cain is pretty well finished in the presidential race and I think it merely shows how far down in the muck American politics is. None of the other GOP candidates are even defending Cain or suggesting we actual wait until we see some concrete proof. Everyone of them should be saying this – as it could and will happen to someone else in the future.

katablog.com on December 1, 2011 at 10:18 AM

oops I did the blockquote backwards!

katablog.com on December 1, 2011 at 10:19 AM

There’s just too much arrogance in Cain. His over developed ego will always get in his way. The truth or untruth of the allegations notwithstanding, they have proven useful in shedding light onto the man himself.I do not like the glimpse.

jeanie on December 1, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Herman Cain is not the man you think he is. You have been conned.

I’ve been astonished by how many people Cain’s been able to sucker.

Reagan Republican on December 1, 2011 at 12:21 PM

astonerii, do you ever tire of not knowing what you just wrote mere hours ago?

You are the one stuck in an all or nothing black or white world. You are the one stuck in a racist world (delusional and only in your head).

I’m not delusional, you’re just a backpedaling vermin. Go back to your OWS Obamaville, wherever it is. Your village is clearly missing its idiot, and we don’t want it here.

BKennedy on December 1, 2011 at 5:11 PM

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