Video: The competing worldviews of the Tea Party and OWS

posted at 2:25 pm on November 29, 2011 by Tina Korbe

The Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street remind me a little of those side-by-side cartoons I used to love to examine in the Sunday newspaper. You know the ones. At first glance, the juxtaposed pictures look identical, but, the longer you study ‘em, the more strangely dissimilar they become. In one, a bird lacks a wing. In the other, a top hat lacks a buckle. By the time you’ve racked up 10 differences, you’ve solved the puzzle and it’s time to move on to “Peanuts.”

When it comes to The Tea Party and OWS, though, the more the surface differences become obvious, the more the transparent truth of what underlies those differences becomes obscured. It becomes easy to focus on the way the groups look and act differently — and harder to remember the way the groups think differently. For example, I’ve become a little obsessed lately with tracking the violence of the Occupy movement. In case you, too, are counting, we’re up to at least 360 incidents of violence, vandalism and otherwise inappropriate behavior among Occupiers. Outrageous.

Make no mistake: The misbehavior of the Occupy protesters matters and says something important about their fundamental principles — namely, that they have no very deep respect for property rights. And, in the battle of ideas, the unappealing actions of the Occupiers certainly help to discredit progressive concepts in the subconscious of observers.

But, in the end, it’s crucial to remember that Tea Party protests and Occupy Wall Street demonstrations are just outward and modern manifestations of a more-than-a-century-old battle between classical liberalism and progressivism. Tea Partiers aren’t just trying to make a case for the Tea Party and Occupiers aren’t just trying to make a case for OWS; they’re trying to make a case for the ideas that formed them into these movements in the first place. Remembering those ideas makes the choice of which side’s narrative to believe even easier. For that, this video based on the work of NYU law professor Richard Epstein is particularly helpful:


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Actually, I distinctly remember seeing a group of unhinged old white folks defacing one of those Obama-hitler-witchdoctor signs at a tea party rally. The catch? The goddam freaks were la rouche democrats. LOL! can’t make this sh!t up.

abobo on November 29, 2011 at 2:33 PM

I’d have Tea Party people over at my house for dinner… OWS crowd, not so much…

Khun Joe on November 29, 2011 at 2:36 PM

Tea Party protests and Occupy Wall Street demonstrations are just outward and modern manifestations of a more-than-a-century-old battle between classical liberalism and progressivism.

don’t you mean a battle between conservatism and progressivism/socialism?

ted c on November 29, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Ms. Korbe wrote:

When it comes to The Tea Party and OWS, though, the more the surface differences become obvious, the more the transparent truth of what underlies those differences becomes obscured. It becomes easy to focus on the way the groups look and act differently — and harder to remember the way the groups think differently.

Precisely. The two groups share an anger at the crony-capitalism corruption on display, but their underlying ideals and concepts could not be more different. This has been pointed out many, many times before, but at it’s core, the TEA Party is about reining in government spending and overreach, as well as making individuals responsible for themselves. Probably because the TEA Party represents the class of those who actually work for a living.

The Occupy ‘movements’, on the other hand, are exactly the opposite – they are all about ‘free stuff’, as in giving government MORE power to choose winners and losers. Probably this is because they are themselves part of the core Big Government constituency – wannabe government workers or else those living on permanent government grants. But there is a problem with that worldview. To borrow a phrase from the great novelist Robert Heinlein, ‘TANSTAAFL’ (There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch). SOMEONE has to pay. The TEA Partiers recognize that fact. The Occupy groups don’t.

Unless the United States is irretrievably far along the path to socialism and collapse (the two go hand in hand as history so aptly proves), I cannot imagine the Occupy worldview being more appealing to the majority of Americans than that of the TEA Party. and this understanding seem to be beginning to seep through despite the hopelessly slanted press coverage of the two movements.

StoneHeads on November 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM

I love that video style

What a great simple and understandable message!!!

CrazyGene on November 29, 2011 at 2:44 PM

..my hand hurts from all of that drawing/lettering..

The War Planner on November 29, 2011 at 2:46 PM

ted c on November 29, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Ted, if I may differ, I would argue that modern American conservatism, as championed by Ronald Reagan (among others) IS classical liberalism. This is not the ‘conservatism’ one finds on the Continent, but rather a purely American strain that draws from the same traditions as the writings of the Founders.

Modern American ‘liberals’ on the other hand are neither liberal nor particularly American in nature. Their ideals are far more reminiscent of the socialist/Communist and even Fascistic policies and ideals espoused (and put into effect) by the nineteenth and early twentieth century progressives in the US, Soviet Russia, Italy and other European nations. Big Government, Nanny-statism, a lack of freedom for the individual, a Constitution that can be interpreted by a few judges to be meaningless – all these are hallmarks of the modern Left. Classical liberalism, on the other hand, includes a genuine appreciation and understanding of one’s roots (hence the study of Greek and Latin that was included in a classical education), but also included a strong curiosity and tolerance for others as well.

StoneHeads on November 29, 2011 at 2:50 PM

That video was one of most informative, with the best format, that I have seen. (I normally enjoy posting on sites just to stomp on trolls… but ya’ll espouse and agree with everything I hold dear about this country.)

Deckard on November 29, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Well, here is one comparison I haven’t heard anyone mention. To the best of my knowledge, there was never a gay porn video shot on location at any Tea Party gathering that I recall of!

pilamaye on November 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM

This is the WORST video I’ve seen from Bill Whittle. I had to stop watching after two minutes. It is mixes up tax policy and philosophy in a confusing and apparently (to me) historically inaccurate way.

There is a really GOOD interview with Richard Epstein over at NRO this morning discussing his latest book. Here:

http://radio.nationalreview.com/betweenthecovers/post/?q=MDM5YThjY2ZkZDA1MTRkYWY0MjE3NjA2M2JiOTA0NjU=

Incidentally, here is a really GOOD video by whittle:
http://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/video-bill-whittle-on-character/

IMO, of course.

gh on November 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Joe on November 29, 2011 at 2:36 PM

I was sitting on the East Coast, minding my own business when I got a call from someone whose beautiful wife went by the Oakland mess before it got bad press. She is not only attractive but has a very winning personality. Well, I posted about it.

Now this couple has a strange fetish about feeling safe on the streets and people keeping public places free of garbage.

This young woman, who is perfectly proportioned but not very big, was sickened with the stink, litter and she claimed rats, after they were there a day or two! Meaning…they had trash and rats almost at once. Then they started making her offers. Then she left. There were police around. I thought of MM’s missing loved one. You have to be careful where you go.

I was sick of hearing about it. Cleaning up after them? I think their supporters should do it. Or send their wives and daughters for a visit.

IlikedAUH2O on November 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM

don’t you mean a battle between conservatism and progressivism/socialism?

ted c on November 29, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Agree with StoneHeads, classic liberal = conservative, think self determination and it makes more sense. What’s funny is today’s liberals have run from the term and take umbrage at being called that and are looking like they don’t want the term progressive attached to themselves either. They basically don’t want to be defined at all. Much like Harry Reid doesn’t want to present a spending plan.

DanMan on November 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM

I’d have Tea Party people over at my house for dinner… OWS crowd, not so much…

Khun Joe on November 29, 2011 at 2:36 PM

With the Tea Party, you won’t have to worry what might happen to you and your food, your home, your possessions, etc., and you won’t have to worry about them leaving at the end of the meal.

With the Occupy Wall Street thugs, you cannot take your eyes off your food, for you might be eating excrement, or drinking urine, or eating lice or rats. You have to worry that they don’t “hog” all the food and drink, or pack it up and take it with them.

With the Occupy Wal Street thugs, you don’t know if they are going to steal all your possessions, take over your house, kick you out, and permanently reside, or “squat” in your home. Once they do, your home will be vandalized and damaged beyond repair, with excrement and urine all over the place, as well as drugs, drug shooting needles, rats, garbage, trash, lice, disease, and more.

If you have children or a wife, or possibly, if you are a wife and have a husband, you will worry about assault, rape, and even murder.

If your wife is pregnant, rest assured she will be medically raped as the Occupy Wall Street thugs, believers in the slaughter of innocent new human beings via elective, induced abortion, as well as the oppression and abuse of women that abortion helps promote, will try save the planet, and fulfill their cult-like religion by sacrificing your baby to the gods of the Progressive Universe, in honor of Margarat Sanger, Nancy Pelosi, Planned Murderhood, NOW, NARAL, et al, as they butcher your child in coerced abortion.

When you want them to leave, the Tea Party people will politely thank you for your hospitality and meal, having exhibited civil, polite, respectful behavior throughout the evening at your home. They will help clean up after dinner, exposling of garbage and trash, washing the dishes and pots and pans, and leaving your home spotlessly clean and in better condition than it was when they entereed your home at your invitation. Your family will be safe, with no violence, no threats, no foul language, no theft, and so on.

Of course, when it is time to leave, the Occupy Wall Street people will not leave, will take over your home, and you won’t be able to get them out, even if you call the police or try to get a judge to evict them.

The contrast would be clear.

The Tea Party attracts well behaved, responsible, politce, respectful, compassionate, kind, considerate, intelligent people, while the Occupy Wall Street movement involves, and attracts, misguided, misinformed, undereducated, selfish, “me, me, me” snobs, who are violent, crude, disrespectful, aggressive, lazy, disease spreading, self absorbed, racist, anti-semitic, not-so-smart, bullies who are like ticks, sucking on others, giving nothing, while also like rabid dogs, foaming at the mouth.

I prefer the good nature and behavior of the good people of the Tea Party over the dreadful, arrogant, rude, violent, hate filled, misogynist, anti-Jew, racist, intolerant Occupy Wall Street shake down mob.

William2006 on November 29, 2011 at 3:05 PM

“Wha…?” – OWS protester who took “Genital Appreciation” in college to satisfy the U.S. History requirement.

Seven Percent Solution on November 29, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Why focus on the differences? What purpose does it serve? Oh yeah, it serves our corporate owners and their political lackeys by further dividing the voters.

Here’s an idea, let’s concentrate on what these two groups have in common.

1. Anger at the government. Specifically over the way the economic crisis was handled.

2. A belief that our politicians no longer serve us. They now serve their corporate masters and we are just being used as pawns.

Put everything else aside, rally on these beliefs, and we might just have a force that could actually get real changes made in DC. But no, it’s more important to make sure the divide between the voters continues to grow so this will never happen.

Hopefully that initial meeting that took place between a Tea Party group and a group of OWS folks will set an example for everyone on both sides. Stop listening to the media to get your opinion of what the OWS folks are like. These are the same people who believe the Tea Party are all racists because they listened to that very same corporate owned media instead of coming out to meet TP folks in person. Don’t let yourselves be fooled.

Benaiah on November 29, 2011 at 3:10 PM

They smell different too.

Akzed on November 29, 2011 at 3:15 PM

At first glance, the juxtaposed pictures look identical

I was at the April 15th 2009 Tea Party rally in Christopher Columbus park in Boston.
I see the Alinsky Kids tents every day in Boston when I go to South Station.

Never once did I ever even imagine that they look identical.

That aside, some very valid points here.

shanimal on November 29, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Benaiah on November 29, 2011 at 3:10 PM

Um… someone is fooled…

Akzed on November 29, 2011 at 3:16 PM

This young woman, who is perfectly proportioned but not very big, was sickened with the stink, litter and she claimed rats, after they were there a day or two! Meaning…they had trash and rats almost at once. Then they started making her offers. Then she left.

IlikedAUH2O on November 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM

How disgusting, the way they treated her is horrible…you don’t happen to have a picture of her do you?…

right2bright on November 29, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Goofus v. Gallant.

John the Libertarian on November 29, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Since OWS is suppose to be in D.C. all next week, I wonder how BHO and members of the New Fascist Party (f/k/a the demoncraptic party) will view all of the defecating, fornicating, urinating, and masturbating on federal lands. Let’s not forget the drugging, raping, killing, littering, and the like they are known for.

madmonkphotog on November 29, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Um… someone is fooled…

Akzed

Care to elaborate? How am I fooled? What did I say that isn’t true?

Benaiah on November 29, 2011 at 3:41 PM

A better term for the fecal-Americans camping in major U.S. cities – The Occupoos.

TugboatPhil on November 29, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Put everything else aside, rally on these beliefs,

If that’s the case, they would already be rallying at Tea Party events. We are not the ones who allow the media to shape our perceptions.

…..and sorry, I don’t just put aside Socilaists, Communists, Fascists and petulant free-loading children who refuse to accept the fact that they make poor decisions.

98ZJUSMC on November 29, 2011 at 3:50 PM

I would argue that modern American conservatism, as championed by Ronald Reagan (among others) IS classical liberalism.

It really isn’t. Maybe in terms of economic policy. But in terms of social policy, conservatives (as a group) are too closed-minded and, well, conservative to be characterized as “liberal”. From religion, to sexuality, to science, to immigration, to education, conservatives routinely fail to take liberal laissez-faire positions. I’m not saying that modern day progressives have a better claim to the “liberal” label — they completely fail on the economic side. True liberalism has to be applied to all facets of life. You don’t get to call yourselves the champions of freedom as you’re closing the borders, denying equal rights to homosexuals, plugging your ears to scientific data that doesn’t match your religious and political presuppositions, and promoting puritanical religious traditions in public schools.

Mark Jaquith on November 29, 2011 at 4:02 PM

Just passed Zuccotti park half an hour ago.

There are a dozen, no more – Occupiers in the rain.

There is at least one remote truck for media.

There really is a chance that there are more media there than occupiers.

But as of 4 PM there were more tourists there than Occupiers in Obamaville.

Wander on November 29, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Put everything else aside,

I will not put aside the fact that the OWS parasites are Communists and Socialists, and express hatred for all I hold dear. I swore an oath to “protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic”. OWS scum are domestic enemies of the Constitution; therefor my sworn enemies. I will not make any effort to find common cause with them or ally with them in any way or for any purpose.
Graveyards (and mass graves) are filled with people who embraced the kind of stupidity you advocate.

single stack on November 29, 2011 at 4:32 PM

William2006 on November 29, 2011 at 3:05 PM

That was great.

Mirimichi on November 29, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Mark Jaquith on November 29, 2011 at 4:02 PM

Typical liberal talking points.

fail to take liberal laissez-faire positions

Here is where you shoot yourself in the foot. You don’t stand for anything. You don’t have any principles or morals or scruples. And that is why this country is going to hell in a handbasket. Too many people like you walking around and the real scary thing is; you vote.

Mirimichi on November 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM

I will not put aside the fact that the OWS parasites are Communists and Socialists, and express hatred for all I hold dear. I swore an oath to “protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic”. OWS scum are domestic enemies of the Constitution; therefor my sworn enemies. I will not make any effort to find common cause with them or ally with them in any way or for any purpose.
Graveyards (and mass graves) are filled with people who embraced the kind of stupidity you advocate.

single stack

So you won’t even give talking to them directly a chance? When did conservatives all of a sudden start believing everything the media tells them? I guess we just had to wait until they told us something we wanted to hear.

Judging OWS by the actions of their fringe members makes you exactly like those on the left that consider the Tea Party to be racist because of the actions of its fringe members.

Benaiah on November 29, 2011 at 5:50 PM

What the two groups are angry at are the same (corporate influence on the federal government). However, you can’t really draw any more comparisons.

The OWS movement is so concerned about including everyone that they are only alienating everyone. They think they need to make room for the people that are upset about their student loans, or environmental regulations being too light, or people who think the rich make too much money and need to share the wealth. What they need to do is refocus their movement on the problem (corporate influence) and set what they believe the solution is. Tell the people who disagree to gtfo. Tell the anarchists to gtfo. Otherwise their movement will continue to get diluted and derailed.

gyrmnix on November 29, 2011 at 6:19 PM

What they need to do is refocus their movement on the problem (corporate influence) and set what they believe the solution is. Tell the people who disagree to gtfo. Tell the anarchists to gtfo. Otherwise their movement will continue to get diluted and derailed.

gyrmnix

Well there I agree but I’m betting it’s as difficult for them to get rid of the anarchists as it was for the Tea Party to get rid of the racists. I remember a time when the Tea Party had to start using signs that said, “I’m not with stupid” that they’d follow the racists around with at their rallies.

Probably all the OWS people can do when the anarchists show up is pull back along the sidewalk en mass so the cops can come in and arrest the idiots that are causing trouble.

Benaiah on November 29, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Benaiah

Stupid is as stupid does. Just ask Mark.

You don’t get to call yourselves the champions of freedom as you’re closing the borders, denying equal rights to homosexuals, plugging your ears to scientific data that doesn’t match your religious and political presuppositions, and promoting puritanical religious traditions in public schools.

Mark Jaquith

Give me a break. Supporting freedom doesn’t require support of anarchy…..or willful ignorance, as in your case.

xblade on November 29, 2011 at 6:56 PM

A couple of points (which should not take away from his overall point):
Contracts can’t really exist without enforcement of the terms, which means that government needs to be involved intimately in them in that respect — otherwise, contract enforcement is indistinguishable from conquest and looting.
Additionally, without government regulation that punishes borrowers for not paying their debits, lenders are at the mercy of borrowers, and thus, little lending can be done at all.

That said, these are the vital functions of government, which need to be distinguished from the arbitrary interference that the “progressives” indulge in.

Count to 10 on November 29, 2011 at 7:05 PM

When did conservatives all of a sudden start believing everything the media tells them? I guess we just had to wait until they told us something we wanted to hear.

Benaiah

Wow, talk about irony….or maybe that should be hypocrisy, lol:

I remember a time when the Tea Party had to start using signs that said, “I’m not with stupid” that they’d follow the racists around with at their rallies.

Benaiah

Don’t be led by the media says a guy being led by the media, lol. Too too funny.

Judging OWS by the actions of their fringe members makes you exactly like those on the left that consider the Tea Party to be racist because of the actions of its fringe members.

Benaiah

You’re absolutely right….OWS shouldn’t be judged by the fringe members that actually have a little sense, they should be judged by the actions of the majority of morons that make up their movement.

xblade on November 29, 2011 at 7:05 PM

xblade on November 29, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Don’t be so prejudiced. It gives humanity a bad name.

gyrmnix on November 29, 2011 at 7:25 PM

You don’t get to call yourselves the champions of freedom as you’re closing the borders,

Wait, freedom = not recognizing or enforcing national borders, and the legal, cultural, & sovereign jurisdictions they represent?

Oh, I think I see your error. It’s spelled “anarchy,” which naturally the spell-check wouldn’t pick up.

denying equal rights to homosexuals,

Freedom has nothing to do with equality, nor, for that matter, “rights”.

plugging your ears to scientific data that doesn’t match your religious and political presuppositions,

Au contraire. Championing freedom means that you have the right to do EXACTLY that, provided you don’t prevent another from plugging his ears so not to hear things that don’t match his presuppositions.

Freedom means that two people can think opposite things, refuse to listen to the opposing viewpoint, and each believe the other person a raving moron.

and promoting puritanical religious traditions in public schools.

Mark Jaquith on November 29, 2011 at 4:02 PM

I find it adorable that you ended your little rant by deriding the promotion of “puritanical religious traditions” in a country whose founding principles were influenced, in no small part, by the religious, legal, and social developments of actual Puritans.

Not only do you not understand the difference between “classical liberalism” and contemporary “liberalism”, but it’s also very clear that YAAFM. Thanks for outing yourself.

Harpazo on November 29, 2011 at 8:03 PM

I didn’t see the link go up earlier, although I should have stepped in on this some time ago:

These scribing videos are not written by me. They are produced by Declaration Entertainment for the client who is releasing the ebook. I certainly would never add my voice to something I didn’t fundamentally agree with, but the fact is I am given a script and I read it.

I do not wish to be understood that I do not back the video 100% — I am only saying it is not my wording or my arguments.

Bill Whittle

Bill Whittle on November 29, 2011 at 10:07 PM