Bret Baier to Romney: Didn’t you used to have basically the same immigration position as Gingrich?

posted at 10:03 pm on November 29, 2011 by Allahpundit

Skip to 5:05 for the immigration bit — although, if you have time, I recommend watching the whole vid for the odd yet entertaining occasional flare-ups of irritation from the likely nominee. In fact, Romney has the same basic idea about immigration now as he had in 2006. We’ve been over his dispute with Gingrich over immigration before: Essentially, Mitt thinks Newt’s plan to let some longtime residents attain legal non-citizen status is “amnesty” even though his own plan imagines letting some longtime residents become citizens provided they go to the back of line. Why one of those ideas should be deemed significantly more lenient than the other is beyond me. Romney’s has the advantage of not creating any “second class” status for longtime illegals, but he’s willing to grant full citizenship benefits to those who stick it out whereas Gingrich is not. If he wants to attack Newt, he should be hitting him on the strange idea of using local community boards to decide legalization issues instead of a national standard to ensure that more liberal jurisdictions don’t become magnets for longtime illegals. Or maybe that’s the whole point of Newt’s plan, to get illegals to flee to blue areas for more forgiving treatment? Bottom line: There’s really no reason to strongly prefer one of them to the other on this issue.


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I don’t know how anyone can watch the Brett Baier interview and still want Romney for the Repub candidate.
georgealbert on November 30, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Reaffirming what was made evident years ago.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/11/30/romney-not-ready-for-prime-time/

rrpjr on November 30, 2011 at 12:00 PM

No its cause he is getting pissed about people continually misquoting him constantly! When he shows some fight the same people who always call him plastic or robotic then claim Oh, he can’t handle it! Some of you are truly pathetic…sorry but you guys cannot be honest and see where and when you are knowingly twisting his words or leaving key portions out.

Go ahead and jump on the Gingrich “train” and you will be sorely disappointed as you will have to DEFEND a record that is terrible on many of his statements…Dede, Pelosi, AGW, Cap/Trade, Dr Berwick, death panels, mandates, illegal immigration that I am not going to call amnesty, removed from speakership with questionable ethic violations, etc etc…

g2825m on November 30, 2011 at 12:34 PM

I don’t think I can understand the intellectual gymnastics some of you must do in your head to convince yourself that Romney is a liberal and Gingrich is a conservative. It is truly a feat.

That conservatives would prefer a lifelong politician, who has had multiple divorces, had a long history of money problems, faced multiple corruption charges, was given the largest ethics fine ever on a speaker of the house, was then forced to resign in shame, and has since had many questionable business relationships over a squeaky clean family man with no skeletons in his personal life and has severed others in the following capacities without taking a salary: CEO Bain and Company, CEO of Salt Lake City Olympics, Governor of MA, not to mention Bishop of his Church – all done as a volunteer.

brilrodion on November 30, 2011 at 12:52 PM

No its cause he is getting pissed about people continually misquoting him constantly!
g2825m on November 30, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Bret Baier didn’t misquote him. Indeed, Romney misrepresented Baier. Baier’s assertions were accurate and documented as all over youtube, as Howard Portnoy points out in the Green Room today.

And authentic and effective presidential candidates don’t get “pissed.” They clarify, or refute, or fight back. Having suffered the failures of his “pissiness” over the years, Romney might get a clue about this, but alas.

This has nothing to do with being on anyone’s “train.” It has to do with simple choices. Romney is observably incapable of competing on a national level against the institutional Left, Obama, the media, et al. He’s obviously not learning and doesn’t want to learn. It just isn’t there. Next! We can choose among the remaining as to the best equipped. In my view, Gingrich is the incontrovertible best choice.

rrpjr on November 30, 2011 at 12:55 PM

I don’t think I can understand the intellectual gymnastics some of you must do in your head to convince yourself that Romney is a liberal and Gingrich is a conservative. It is truly a feat.

brilrodion on November 30, 2011 at 12:52 PM

That’s pretty easy…

Newt has championed conservative causes and legislation in the past. Yes, he has also championed liberal crap. But at least he has a record of conservative victory.

Mitt? He politically championed RomneyCare – and other liberal causes.

Newt has actually spent time with tea partiers.

Mitt avoids tea partiers like the plague.

beatcanvas on November 30, 2011 at 12:58 PM

g2825m,

You make a good argument with regard to Romney and the situation in MA, however it still bothers me that he is open to government solutions and obviously flip flops on core principles such as abortion, gay marriage, illegal immigration, etc. Perhaps Romney and Heritage were going for “baby steps” toward a deregulated situation, we can’t know for sure.

However, you’ve turned this into a Newt vs Romney argument, and my questions directed to you are NOT to say that Newt is better than Romney. The fact of the matter is that we are not getting a true Constitutional Conservative, America First candidate out of any of these guys. Once again, we’re being played for fools and allowing the Republican Brass, Media, and political establishment to dictate our candidate for us. They are stacking this next election with choices that will only further advance the Progressive agenda, either at 40MPH at a 100MPH.

As for me personally, my fervor against Romney is the same as it was in 2007/8, and for the same reasons. I’m still trying to figure out how McCain became our candidate, although not completely flumuxed.

jeffersonschild on November 30, 2011 at 1:01 PM

This is freaking hilarious … Watch Mitt Squirm!

http://gifzette.com/images/2011-11-30.gif

preallocated on November 30, 2011 at 1:35 PM

I noticed HotAir does not have the link above anymore on Gingrich! hmmm…..because it is damaging?

g2825m on November 30, 2011 at 12:15 PM

It’s still up you have to hit the red letters marked Headlines at the right hand side,and then scroll through the headers, it just aged off as new links were add to the headlines.

Dr Evil on November 30, 2011 at 1:40 PM

I noticed HotAir does not have the link above anymore on Gingrich! hmmm…..because it is damaging?

g2825m on November 30, 2011 at 12:15 PM

All Headlines you know you can comment on the Headlines too right?

Dr Evil on November 30, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Here is a link to Newt’s campaign website, I haven’t noticed that the other candidate’s wives have their own section of the campaign website. Callista’s Canvas. Reminds me a little of when Meghan McCain was blogging when her dad was running. Huntsman has involved his daughters in his campaign. I haven’t noticed if the other Candidate’s spouses, and children are participating on their campaigns out stumping etc….?

Dr Evil on November 30, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Gov. Romney seems needlessly snippy. Fox is as close to on his side as he is likely to find in the media.

Cindy Munford on November 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Newt has championed conservative causes and legislation in the past. Yes, he has also championed liberal crap. But at least he has a record of conservative victory.

Ok, so because he was a republican legislator 20+ years and Romney was a Republican Governor for just 4 he is more conservative? They both have done things that would not pass a conservative purity test, but one has spent his life living off the public dole, and the other has created solutions in the private sector.

Here is a little food for thought. Why, if Romney is at his core a liberal, would Romney as a citizen and future candidate for Governor in MA chose to stay in the GOP and run as a conservative? Was that his easiest path to victory? Would it not have been much easier to become a dem, run as a dem, and enact his liberal dream world if that were his true ideological bearings?

The GOP should be thrilled that someone of his wealth, education, and experience is on their side promoting conservatism and liberty.

In 2008 Romney was the conservative candidate, he lost and left the race gracefully and did everything he could to help get conservatives elected in 2008. Since then he has worked non stop to support conservative candidates and promote conservatism through his PAC, book, and through many other avenues.

Romney is a conservative, he has acted like one, worked like one, and will govern the country like one.

brilrodion on November 30, 2011 at 2:10 PM

I haven’t noticed if the other Candidate’s spouses, and children are participating on their campaigns out stumping etc….

Last year Romney’s 5 sons pretty much ran his campaign, this year they are taking a much more backseat role it seems. He has said that they are trying to run a leaner campaign so the “Five Brothers Bus” has yet to make an appearance.

Anne Romney, even though she has MS, has on occasion been on the Stump for Mitt. I remember an appearance in Florida where she light-heartily made fun of Mitt.

Newt has to put his wife front and center due his is long history of martial issues, in an attempt to show that he is a changed man that has learned from his past mistakes. At least that is my take.

brilrodion on November 30, 2011 at 2:23 PM

georgealbert on November 30, 2011 at 11:55 AM

hahahaha

“I don’t know…”

Yep, you are clueless. You are not the rest of the country. You are the tiniest subset of the smallest iota of the most miniscule portion of the minority, that your opinion wont be statistically measurable.

csdeven on November 30, 2011 at 2:25 PM

This is freaking hilarious … Watch Mitt Squirm!

http://gifzette.com/images/2011-11-30.gif

preallocated on November 30, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Wow. You are easily entertained aren’t you. Why don’t you just draw a mustache on people and behave as if it takes any shred of imagination to do so?

csdeven on November 30, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Er, Romney in the video said “the union leaders haven’t always been happy with me.” Doesn’t that idiot know it’s a newspaper in New Hampshire — the state he has been “living in” for all this time? Another gaffe for Romney. Oh wait, he said W. was pro-choice at one point? Make that two gaffes for Romney. :-(

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 2:43 PM

brilrodion on November 30, 2011 at 2:23 PM

I like that Callista’s been included.

It would be interesting to get primary info detail from inside the campaigns. I know Meghan McCain’s blogging was/is fluffy. Still I enjoyed checking in on the McCains, on the campaign trail.

I like the Huntsman Girls contributions so far they are up beat kids.

Ann Romney probably has her hands full, her husband’s running for President and it’s Christmas Season, but one of the Romney sons could captain a blog :)

First Lady of Texas Anita Perry is also probably busy this time of year, but the Perry’s have kids too.

Same goes for the other candidates, it all doesn’t have to be official campaign website content. When they put up some of the personal inside stuff going on while they campaign it humanizes them. Even if it’s photos with captions, blogging is just one of the ways to share.

Dr Evil on November 30, 2011 at 2:45 PM

THIS:
There are, for example, gaping holes in Gingrich’s conservative credentials. As the American Spectator’s David Catron pointed out Monday, Gingrich has long been a fan of Dr. Donald Berwick. Berwick just resigned as President Obama’s director of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversees Obamacare. Obama put Berwick there because of his professed love for Britain’s socialized medicine.

Berwick’s views are so radical that not even a Democratic Senate would confirm him, yet Gingrich wrote this in a Washington Post op-ed published in 2000: “Don Berwick at the Institute for Healthcare Improvement has worked for years to spread the word that the same systematic approach to quality control that has worked so well in manufacturing could create a dramatically safer, less expensive and more effective system of health and health care.”

Gingrich’s wonkish delight in industrially rationed health care may come as a shock to some on the Right, but it is entirely consistent with his long-standing enthusiasm for individual mandates in health care. In his 2005 book, “Winning the Future,” Gingrich put it this way: “We need some significant changes to ensure that every American is insured, but we should make it clear that a 21st Century Intelligent System requires everyone to participate in the insurance system.”

Gingrich’s most frequently repeated claim to the mantle of conservative leadership, of course, is the Contract with America and the Republican revolution of 1994. But Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., made a strong case in his 2003 book, “Breach of Trust,” that Gingrich’s affinity for the trappings of power led him to undermine the momentum for fundamental change. As Coburn described it, the fervor of the freshmen lawmakers of 1994 quickly put them at odds with the first Republican House Speaker in four decades: “Gingrich would receive our input, but he rarely took it seriously … We were from the outside and wet behind the ears in terms of politics and we obviously didn’t know as much about history as he did. It would not take long for us to become ‘the conservatives’ to him.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/2011/11/conservatives-should-think-twice-about-newt/1958871?utm_source=11/30%20Opinion%20Digest%20-%2011/30/2011&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Washington%20Examiner:%20Opinion%20Digest

g2825m on November 30, 2011 at 2:56 PM

You make a good argument with regard to Romney and the situation in MA, however it still bothers me that he is open to government solutions and obviously flip flops on core principles such as abortion, gay marriage, illegal immigration, etc. Perhaps Romney and Heritage were going for “baby steps” toward a deregulated situation, we can’t know for sure.

jeffersonschild on November 30, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Jefferson or others,
show me where this is not conservative:

Romney’s record:
Cut taxes in MA – Check

Closed loopholes and raised fees as Reagan did – Check

Voted pro-life bills as GOV – Check

Voted and eased 2nd Amendment bills in MA – Check
See here: “Massachusetts oldest, largest and premier pro-second amendment/gun rights group, Gun owners` Action League (GOAL) stated:“The bill was the greatest victory for gun owners since the passage of the gun control laws in 1998 (Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998). It was a reform bill totally supported by GOAL. Press and media stories around the country got it completely wrong when claimed the bill was an extension of the ‘assault weapon’ ban”

Against illegal immigration – Check

Signed bill against Illegal Immigration Recv tuition breaks – Check

Build the complete fence along the border – Check

For Defense of Marriage Act – Check

For Cut, Cap, and Balance – Check

Pro expansion of the military and keeping GITMO open – Check

Drilling in ANWR – Check

Investing in new technologies for oil – Check

Develop energy technology like nuclear or liquefied coal – Check

What you wrote here: “flip flops on core principles such as abortion, gay marriage, illegal immigration”

Abortion has ALWAYS been personally against it but supported Roe V Wade UNTIL 2005 where he fully supported Pro-Life legislation and signed bills into law backing up his commitment-FACT. Gay Marriage—FALSE. Has never been in support of gay marriage. FACT. He was against work place discrimination that gay members faced and has SUPPORTED civil unions but has ALWAYS been for ONE MAN ONE WOMAN marriage. Immigration—False. Has signed into legislation Anti-illegal immigration laws before ANY Governor saw that it was in vogue and vetoed tuition magnet bills, and turned MA State police loose to arrest illegals and handover to ICE.

So when faced with FACTS and not spin that rrpjr, punchenko, sharrukin, et al put out there you will see that he has been consistent IN FULL CONTEXT and that is what he referred to in the Bret Baier interview!

PROVE ME NOW HEREWITH as the scriptures say…

g2825m on November 30, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Or this:

November 30, 2011 12:50pm
Fmr press sec on Newt: Steve Jobs with no iPod
byJoel Gehrke Commentary Staff Writer

Rich Galen, former communications director to then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich, described his old boss on Morning Joe as a self-styled visionary with a huge arrogance problem.

Galen compared Gingrich to Steve Jobs in terms of his powers of persuasion, but with a key difference: “I think the difference is that with Newt…there’s no iPod at the other end of it.”

When reminded of Gingrich’s recent defense against charges of lobbying after leaving the House — Gingrich said he didn’t need to lobby because he made $60,000 per speech — Galen slammed Gingrich again. “I think he’s talking to the inside of his eyelids [when he says that],” Galen said.

“My experience,” Galen said in a conclusory comment on Gingrich’s arrogance, “with PhD’s in the House of Representatives and Senate, is that the only people worse than them are [medical doctors], [in terms of telling you] how smart they are.”

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/2011/11/conservatives-should-think-twice-about-newt/1958871?utm_source=11/30%20Opinion%20Digest%20-%2011/30/2011&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Washington%20Examiner:%20Opinion%20Digest

g2825m on November 30, 2011 at 3:24 PM

No its cause he is getting pissed about people continually misquoting him constantly!

g2825m on November 30, 2011 at 12:34 PM

If anyone’s misquoting – it’s Mitt Romney. He’s all over YouTube taking positions that he no longer holds today – get a time machine and go back in time and get a handle on THAT dude! That dude is the problem that 2011 Mitt Romney has.

It’s like Mitt Romney is Michael Keaton in “Multiplicity” – you know, the guy who cloned himself over and over – and each “copy” was a bit more flawed than the last – until finally, the last copy was a raving idiot who couldn’t operate a toothbrush!

That’s Mitt Romney!

HondaV65 on November 30, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Romney only wants 99% amnesty. Once illegals are “registered”, they get 99% of what they want.

They’ll have to wait a few years for the rest.

elfman on November 30, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Sure Gingrich is not down-the-line conservative. But I still pick the Southerner over the Rockefeller wannabe. Romney looks down on the middle of the country. Gingrich doesn’t. Romney won’t fight. Gingrich will. All this fuss over how many wives somebody had sounds awfully self-righteous and is completely irrelevant to governing.

alwaysfiredup on November 30, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Neither are acceptable. I’ll write myself in before voting for another RINO. Don’t we deserve better than this especially after running a RINO in 2008?

voiceofreason on November 30, 2011 at 4:26 PM

g2825m on November 30, 2011 at 12:34 PM

That’s you Mitt, isn’t it?

abobo on November 30, 2011 at 5:15 PM

HondaV65 on November 30, 2011 at 4:15 PM

BUT it is NOT…even the Dems in MA admitted that…I have posted their WORDS over and over: MA Healthcare differed from what Romney wanted/signed
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68606_Page2.html#ixzz1e23x9FNH

elfman on November 30, 2011 at 4:17 PM

FALSE! He has not wanted AMNESTY and has consistently said that ALL people need to return back home and wait in line! Gingrich has always been for Amnesty as he was in 1986.

alwaysfiredup on November 30, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Your statement that “Romney looks down on the middle of the country” is not even based on any FACTS at all. He has started his business from scratch and had to work hard to make it successful which he accomplished.

As Rush stated we are beating up our own candidates even before we get to the general. Romney is still the best overall candidate and it is OBVIOUS the Obama administration thinks so as well as they are attacking him while he is still in the Primary.

Again none of you have PROVEN from my previous post on where Romney was a liberal! He governed as best a conservative could with a 85% Dem Legislature. Cutting taxes, balancing the budget every year, signing pro-life legislation, anti-illegal immigration, etc….THOSE ARE THE FACTS.

g2825m on November 30, 2011 at 5:34 PM

HondaV65 on November 30, 2011 at 4:13 PM

I see you take the same avenue the Dems did in their ad…which is false because your YouTube claims are only partials to fit your agenda.

The bottom line for this election is the economy and NO ONE is better qualified than Romney to handle it as he has proven over the last 30 years with examples galore to prove it! He cut taxes his first year in office IN MASSACHUSETTS!!! He will get the economy turned around and you are foolish if you think Gingrich knows more about how to fix an economy than Romney. THIS IS ROMNEY’S FORTE’

g2825m on November 30, 2011 at 5:39 PM

FALSE! He has not wanted AMNESTY and has consistently said that ALL people need to return back home and wait in line! Gingrich has always been for Amnesty as he was in 1986.

g2825m on November 30, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Wow! I’d have to down a bottle of Vodka to listen to that interview and understand it like that. If he didn’t specifically say they could stay, he implied it.

elfman on November 30, 2011 at 6:51 PM

As a Romney supporter, I’m disappointed in this interview. It seems odd to me that he just waves away all the video showing him apparently taking opposite sides of issues. His answers to the questions may have been given 100 times, but he’s going to have to answer them a thousand times, with good grace.

As a fellow Mormon, I feel that I understand his true beliefs better than most of those who call him a flip-flopper. One of the messages I’ve heard over and over from the leaders of our church is to avoid debt like the plague and the sapping power of interest on our finances. The LDS church has its own welfare system for helping the poor by giving them something to do to earn the help they get. It was crafted during the Great Depression in part to do away with the “evils of the dole.” The LDS church treats abortion and homosexual behavior as sins. It teaches that we are all the spirit children of God and that one of the primary purposes of earthly life is to house our spirits in bodies. Therefore, various perversions of sexual relations are an offense to God as is the refusal to bear the children that have been conceived outside the bonds of marriage. The church does not accept the view that people created in the image of God come into this world as homosexuals. That being said, we are not taught to condemn or reject those who experience same-sex attraction, but to state our views clearly and do all we can to help them to overcome it, just as with any sin. As a leader of our church, Romney must be committed to those principles, although it is also a principle that “We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.” He would never use his political office to impose LDS standards on anyone.

He’s been criticized for getting frustrated with Brett Baier, but he’s generally been irritated by being interrupted. Baier did interrupt his answers again and it bothered him, because it interrupted his train of thought, but so what?

I can see why people feel that he isn’t inspiring or dynamic enough, because he’s very careful about what he says and claims he will do. But you’ll note that while he avoids attacking his primary opponents, he’s never easygoing on Obama or the policies of the Democrats. It doesn’t really come naturally to him to boast or speak intemperately.

I think there’s a great appetite among conservatives for some good old fashioned rabble rousing populist rhetoric, if only to answer all the demagoguery we’ve been subjected to for three interminable years. Ronald Reagan was a master of dealing out conservative rhetoric but governing more practically, but there haven’t been many Ronald Reagans in our history and he was well-fitted to his time. Mitt Romney is well-fitted to this time, when we really need a turnaround specialist.

The main thing I worry about with Gingrich is that he will be grow bored and end up alienating those he should be leading, as he did before, overplaying his hand and becoming the focus of the opposition. The task ahead is not going to be accomplished by hacking away at the budget, because that would create shocks that could cost the GOP control of Congress. We need steadiness and a long term strategy like Paul Ryan’s budget to ease us away from entitlements and lavish spending. I think that Romney is capable of shepherding such a strategy over the long haul and demonstrating how to get the economy working by knowing what to cut and where and the excesses of regulation that have stymied our economic growth and competitiveness.

Gingrich understands these things in general, but he is a man of Washington, who is easily fascinated by new ideas for government action, like Cap and Trade and other nostrums for problems that are not tractable by the powers of a constitutional government.

flataffect on November 30, 2011 at 11:58 PM

I would think you bitter former supporters of failed candidates

csdeven on November 30, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Romney?

didymus on December 1, 2011 at 10:51 PM

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