Breaking: Cain tells aides he’s reassessing his campaign
posted at 1:05 pm on November 29, 2011 by Tina Korbe
Herman Cain yesterday, after the allegations of a 13-year affair with Atlanta businesswoman Ginger White first surfaced:
“As long as my wife is behind me, I’m staying in this race. … If I drop out because of this kind of mess … the system wins.”
Herman Cain today:
“This is cause for reassessment.”
On a conference call with senior staffers this morning, Cain said this is not the first time he has had to reconsider his candidacy — but he implied that it could be his last.
“We have to do an assessment as to whether or not this is going to create too much of a cloud in some peoples’ minds as to whether or not they should support us going forward,” he said, according to an initial report and transcript of the call posted at National Review Online. “Any time you put another cloud of doubt, unfortunately, in the court of public opinion, for some people, you’re guilty until proven innocent. And so, the public will have to decide whether they believe her or whether they believe me. That’s why we’re going to give it time, to see what type of response we get from our supporters.”
Cain said again that the various allegations against him — both of sexual harassment and adultery — are unfounded and expressed his intention to maintain his schedule for the next couple of days. Still, the general tenor of the call suggested he’s seriously considering dropping out of the race.
“Over the next several days, we are going to continue with the schedule as usual,” he said. “I’ve got a major speech tonight at Hillsdale College on national security and foreign policy, and I will deliver it with vim, vigor and enthusiasm. And then tomorrow we’ve got some media appearances scheduled. So we’re going to continue until we complete our assessment over the next several days. … But if a decision is made, different than to plow ahead, you all will be the first to know.”
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Some of you a$$wipes that have already convicted Cain, might want to check out what this newest cupid stunt’s business partner–who SUED HER FOR PERJURY AND DEFAMATION…AND WON–might have to say. I will admit that this is the final blow to Cain’s campaign. Are you haters REALLY happy that he was taken out this way? REALLY???
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/business-partner-ginger-white-mentioned-herman-cain/story?id=15047698
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 8:08 PM
Of course they are. You see, conservatives have to hold themselves to a higher standard or something.
gryphon202 on November 29, 2011 at 8:17 PM
Eh eh eh, shoot the messenger!
Am I happy? Not really. I detest with vigor his least involved supporters. Quite frankly, just like the Cain supporters, I am perfectly happy to live under Obama for 4 more years, except my reasoning is has two things. First Cain would damage the Republican name brand, he is not remotely capable of handling the position he is contending for. Second, I would vote Obama just to shut people like you up. I am so sick and tired of the cult of personality rejects imagining themselves to be able to even imagine what conservative is let alone be conservative.
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 8:20 PM
Mr. Cain is having trouble running for office, that much is clear. He is innocent until proven guilty or admits to his actions, because circumstances can be read many ways and if it boils down to a he said/she said deal, then we are left with just the character of those involved.
With that said he has not helped himself nor his campaign over the past couple of weeks. His inability to get a coherent message across on anything other than taxes has been troubling as the Nation needs a bit more than a tax plan. That lies with the candidate to form those positions to then campaign on, and that hasn’t happened. With just weeks left he needs to turn that around and deal with this personal allegation, both. His campaign implodes only due to his inability to do these things: demonstrate some policy acumen outside of one or two venues and deal with accusations of misdeeds from his past. Both can be dealt with via honesty and openness to admit to what he knows and doesn’t know, plus any failings he has on a personal level. That takes a lot of character to do.
ajacksonian on November 29, 2011 at 8:21 PM
A most lucid analysis. I’ve said from day one of Cain’s campaign that his utter and complete lack of anything remotely resembling campaigning savvy would be his undoing, and here it is.
gryphon202 on November 29, 2011 at 8:23 PM
AMEN lovingmyUSA
If he drops out its the nations loss.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/210265.php
This guy sums it up at the end. If your going to vote the status quo ie career politicians you get what you pay for. If you allow the media to pick your candidate for you again you get what you paid for. Why is it that the media can dig up these people that “claim this or that” yet they cant find someone that went to school with obummer, or an ex-girlfriend?
Keep doing the SAME OLE SAME OLE, we will end up just like europe.
ColdWarrior57 on November 29, 2011 at 8:25 PM
Well I’m glad you figured that out on the basis of his failure at running a campaign. If you want a career politician, then you’ll get it. And to coin a turn of phrase, you’ll get it good and hard.
Well if that’s your hill to die on, douchebag. Suit yourself. I know what I personally deserve, and I will vote accordingly.
gryphon202 on November 29, 2011 at 8:25 PM
He is not a consistent conservative.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/files/2011/10/FLIPFLOPS.pdf
tmontgomery on November 29, 2011 at 8:25 PM
1998 I believe.
tmontgomery on November 29, 2011 at 8:32 PM
Nope. 1998′s budget was not balanced. It was the first year of projected balanced budgets 10 years out, with absurdly optimistic baseline increases. We have not actually had a balanced budget in my lifetime (and I was born in 1978).
gryphon202 on November 29, 2011 at 8:34 PM
Maybe cain should have been more conservative with his pants.
triple on November 29, 2011 at 8:35 PM
What speculative nonsense. Just like Obama didn’t have a prayer defeating Hilary Clinton for the nomination, right?
The truth of the matter is that the POTUS election in November 2012 is going to be a referendum on Obama’s presidency. Elections are ALWAYS referendums on the incumbent.
All the Republicans have to do is put someone up there who (a) isn’t Obama, (b) looks competent, (c) doesn’t piss off the base, (d) doesn’t sound like an idiot, and (e) isn’t too ugly or weird-looking [bonus for a male with good hair]. Don’t worry about the independents — they’ll be voting either for or against Obama.
Also: the common refrain about Santorum I keep seeing is “he’s great, but he can’t win,” without there ever being articulated substantive reasons why he can’t. The inevitability of his defeat against Obama is simply assumed and asserted.
The problem with Mitt’s fiscal conservativism is that a major part of governmental fiscal policy is based on one’s views on the acceptable size of government bureaucracy.
Romney’s biggest problem is that he stinks to the high heavens of being a big-government Republican — the kind who promises to shrink the rate of bureaucratic expansion rather than actually shrinking the bureaucracy — at a time when the Republican party’s conservative base is screaming to shrink the government.
Mitt’s moment was frankly 2008. Unfortunately for him, 4 years is a long time and a lot has changed in both the state of the country and in the electorate.
Harpazo on November 29, 2011 at 8:40 PM
What are you smoking ? Romney is obama white. he is no where near a conservative. He is a neocon at best. as much as I hate that term.
Have you ever read Common Sense? Try it. Mr Payne explains why you should not ever confuse society and government.
ColdWarrior57 on November 29, 2011 at 8:45 PM
Well said. The entirety of Cain’s recent hemorrhaging of support can be summed up in his inability to handle these two points.
Harpazo on November 29, 2011 at 8:49 PM
I see you have not grown up a tiny fraction of a bit. I bet typing that out gives you a cute baby smirk on your face, like your some kind of super adult able to say what you want.
You are right, about knowing what you deserve, it eats away at you inside every day.
As for voting accordingly, I guess that could fit with what you really want. We vote for an (R) only to find out that he saw the coming housing bubble but was enjoying the popularity of being the president with the highest home ownership numbers too much to actually stop it from continuing. Remember, we had the White House and the House and the Senate? Good times good times those were. He was an (R) and he gave us no child left behind, medicare plan D prescription medication coverage, the TSA baby strippers and grandma gropers. You remember that (R) do you not? He was far more conservative than say McCain in 2008 was and likely more conservative than a Cain politician would be. Remember those good times when a bill that came to $150B was a total scandal and politicians even would hide their faces in shame as they voted for it? Yeah, that was an (R) that promoted and signed that $850B bill. Good times, good times. Cain seems to have been a supporter of that bill. Cain was also unable to see the housing bubble when it was almost to its peak. Cain cannot come up with something he would agree with or disagree with Obama on a war that has been being played out in the news cycle for months, because he does not have experts to tell him what to think. Yeah, Cain would bring those good times back, yes he would. So, what you seem to deserve is a remake of the Bush presidency and a follow up with a remake of the Obama first 2 years. I got it. I understand. I see where you are coming from. Because, well anyone is better than Obama, so your short sighted imagination ends at the end of Obama’s term in office, and what other consequences there are, well, they were unintended!
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 8:51 PM
How many times have I said in this very forum that I AM NOT HAPPY WITH AN ABO CANDIDATE? I am utterly and completely devoid of any semblance of enthusiasm over the current crop of candidates, but YOU are the one saying you’d be okay with Obama getting another four years, so don’t even project your douchebaggery on to me. I won’t have it.
gryphon202 on November 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM
Are you REALLY this big of an asswipe, or do you just play at one? My God, you just pull this shite outta your a$$, cause this tripe is god-awful hyperbole. WTF do you get off calling us supporters cultists?????? You and Twerp are pieces of the same pile of crap that you have been spewing since the Palin threads. Same shite, different candidate. Just because you think we care about your fricking OPINION, biased and full of bile, doesn’t mean we give a frig for it…You guys and your “cult of personality” BS…jeebus, once you guys get a talking point, you just worry it to death. One-track haters are like that…jerk.
I wouldn’t care if Cain went down, based on his debate performances or interviews, but to take him out with a worthless c*nt’s BS is wrong, and if you can’t see that for what it is, then you truly are as worthless as your comments have been..gads. Wake the frick up and see what they are doing to (A) republican candidate.
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 9:00 PM
If he doesn’t drop out he’s gonna be at 5% or less by the time the primaries come around.
It’s a shame. I thought highly of him when I first started noticing but then he gave some really “duh” interviews and he bowed to Bob Scheiffer over the smoking ad, and on and on. And truly we have NO TIME to train someone for the economic havoc that we could see next year and beyond.
Will the next President have the gonads to do what has to be done and try to fix the entitlement mess? Or will he/she just be a placeholder like Bush 43 was?
FEARLESS, CONSISTENT, IMPERFECT CONSERVATIVE for me please.
PappyD61 on November 29, 2011 at 9:02 PM
Amen, ddrintn…HondaV65, wow. just wow. How unevolved can you be and still call yourself human?
winfield on November 29, 2011 at 9:07 PM
Are you really that much of an a$$wipe, or do you just play at one??? What a bunch of tripe masquarading as a comment…What the frick do you get off saying this shite???
You are a complete and utter a–hole to make such a statement.
Do you and Twerp ever change your bullsh*t talking points??? Same shite from the Palin thread–”cult of personality”…once you two get a talking point, you worry it to death like a drooling bulldog.
The fact that you dont seem to be concerned that a candidate has been hounded by false innuendo to the point of dropping out–is incredulous to me…I wouldnt care if he shot himself in the foot with poor debate performances or bad interviews, as Perry did…but to be forced out by these shenandigans should be a concern of yours…but then trolls never seem to care as they throw their shite around. I should know that by now, you are incapable of discernment…all you deal with is hyperbole.
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 9:13 PM
Prove it jacka$$…prove that this lying c*nt was telling the truth…then you are qualified to make such 8th-grade lowbrow comments…
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 9:17 PM
Where’s Gloria??? Why has she been so quiet? Where are those other accusers????
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 9:18 PM
Put up then.
10 list em out, 10 policies where Herman Cain is more conservative than other candidates.
I have been asking this for many months now. No one has listed anything other than 9-9-9 and I do not particularly like giving the government the power to tax one additional thing. the numbers are not even fixed, they drift depending on how well your district gets Cain
gerrymandered into an economic zone.So, there you go. You have been challenged to give me 10 policies where Cain is specific (no, I do not want to hear he is for a balanced budget, who the hell is not) about how it happens.
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 9:21 PM
Whew! The Kain Kool-Aid is strong in this one!
Lovely thread, folks. Cain’s a joke and the jokes on YOU! At least you still have Newt or Perry or Wild Eyes.
Psst!Huntsman is your best choice! Mum’s the word!
chumpThreads on November 29, 2011 at 9:24 PM
Ding ding ding. Everyone, gryphon is certainly the cool kid, make sure to pick him for your team. he says cool cuss words and aims them at others. I really wish I had friends like him.
And onto the real rebuttal. I stated why I would rather have Obama over any old (R) and I understand your not happy, but you are still willing to argue that any (R) is better for the nation than Obama. But you do not argue it other than to try and use the false argument of outrage as your credibility. I got news for you Muslims are way way more outrageous than you, and it gets em no credibility. So, explain how any old (R) that is not conservative is going to be more beneficial to the nation over a period longer than the next 8 years than just letting Obama have 4 more tied up in divided government years. Outrage and name calling if it converts anyone, only converts the dunces.
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 9:27 PM
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 9:29 PM
Oh smack! Look, the little troll thinks he can play with the big kids…
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 9:31 PM
You got a lot of cuts and pastes, somewhere in there you should have a pre
manufacturedtyped up list of Cains positions.If the only thing you have is that we should not eat our own, first prove the man is our own. I been asking for three months for it. Put up man!
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 9:32 PM
When you’re this stupid, why would you think I will play with your straw dogs? Why would I waste time with a hater–as if FACTS would persuade you to stop calling me a cultist? YOu go back to humping that dead chicken and repeating your mantra…maybe it will keep you in your own zone, and out of ours…
Besides, I refuse to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed person…
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 9:38 PM
True or not (and I suspect there is at least a thread of truth with these accusations), I feel sorry for his wife and family. They do not deserve this. If he had committed these acts, he should have never run for a political office. It wasn’t fair to his family.
Voter from WA State on November 29, 2011 at 9:43 PM
Oh, the fallacious argument runs deep with you.
So, you have no evidence that Cain is conservative? No evidence? Man, how shameful of you.
Kids yes, big? I think that is debatable, unless your talking girth.
Come on, you got to have 10, only 10 things that Cain has an actual policy on that is conservative, ans since the argument is he is the most conservative, they should be more conservative than the less conservative candidates policies.
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 9:43 PM
“If the only thing you have is that we should not eat our own, first prove the man is our own” Really?? You can’t be this fricking ignorant to own up to a statement such as that…oh wait…
Man, you should have wind burn from the whole point of my argument going right over your head…
“Put up man!”I’m more WOMAN than your little d*ck could ever handle…
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 9:44 PM
What if she IS telling the truth and Cain admits to having the affair?
As for the other juicy tidbits on the woman’s life, I don’t know if it’s any more relevant than Paula Jones’s sex life was vis-a-vis her harassment charges against Clinton. I don’t know if she’s lying or not. Neither do you. It might be best to hold your fire and not stake everything on Herman Cain.
ddrintn on November 29, 2011 at 9:46 PM
Straw dogs, troll…you keep going around like that you will turn into butter. If I throw you a stick, will you just leave? You and your little troll friend have your little party…but try as you might, you will never be capable of eating at the adult table (especially after your little 5th grade attempt at humor about “big kids”–another point that flew right over your head–you hair should have quite a part in it by now)
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 9:48 PM
Bring on the conservative position of Cain.
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 9:49 PM
You do not even know Cain’s positions? This is hilarious! Obama voteresque. Do you at least know how many states there are?
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 9:51 PM
That IS my whole point…we have NO PROOF…yet Cain is being called vile names as if he is guilty. THAT is what I am defending. Take the man down on his ability or lack thereof in his positions–but DO NOT become as the dems, and attack a man’s character, with nothing less than a cuped stunt’s word…
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 9:52 PM
What positions? Do you even know?
I can see that your well below the 5th grade there.
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 9:56 PM
Sigh…beings you are so unarmed in the IQ department that you are reduced to sticking out your tongue and going nah-nah at me…it is really useless to continue. Your lack of reading comprehension makes it a waste to even attempt to communicate with you. You have now reached the blathering stage…and I hate drool…so blather on, troll–it’s what you do best. I’m tired of your one-track tripe…keep on spinning…Your flailing at me as I hold my hand on your head, is starting to bore me…
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 9:57 PM
Yeah, and my point is you’re “cupid stunting” this woman as well without knowing the facts. You’ve proclaimed HER guilty without any proof.
ddrintn on November 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM
^ In other words, you like Cain and you’re going to acquit him regardless. That’s not very wise, either. I wouldn’t follow ANYone that closely. You can’t vouch for Cain’s character, unless you’re a close relative or something.
ddrintn on November 29, 2011 at 10:00 PM
GFY douchebag. Incredible stupidity is about as likely to convert anyone as outrageous outrage is.
gryphon202 on November 29, 2011 at 10:01 PM
Make up your mind. Conservative or “more” conservative. All you have to do is go to “ontheissues” to compare conservative creds on the candidates. I’m afraid you’re looking like an argumentative douche bag, because that’s clearly what/who you are.
JannyMae on November 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM
That’s interesting.
northdallasthirty on November 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM
I like Cain. And I will acquit him until such time as I am convinced that he *is* guilty. Unless “innocent until proven guilty” no longer applies to conservative/Republican figureheads.
gryphon202 on November 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM
I bore you, yet look at all the words you write.
All that because you do not and never have had 10 simple little easy peasy policy positions where Cain is the most conservative, or even conservative apparently. You got nothing. All these months, all you Cainiacs, paid for by George Soros I am guessing to push another Obama like candidate onto the American people. The lower we can bring that bar for a person to attain the presidency, the quicker this nation falls. 10, just 10 policies? You cannot even copy paste them from his own website or something? He does not have 10 policies going into the primaries? Nothing at all? And I bore you?
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM
This from the person who was just threatening to vote for Obama? Too funny!
JannyMae on November 29, 2011 at 10:04 PM
How’s this for a conservative policy position, Cain haters?
Follow the constitution!
Yeah yeah. I know that Cain really hasn’t said much (if anything) about the constitution. But none of the candidates really have. I weep for my country.
gryphon202 on November 29, 2011 at 10:05 PM
On things like this, your logical fallacy is making it a guilt or innocence argument. It is not. It is a judgement call. People judge others all the time with little to no evidence. Here, I feel the evidence is well enough to make assumptions on whether I can support Cain or not. He is lacking in character. Want to find me the criminal or civil trial codes for prosecuting that to find guilt or innocence?
Until your biased position sees fit to be convinced he is guilty, and there are plenty of people who think O.J. Simpson was framed! There are plenty of people who think Thomas is guilty. So, your argument is basically that your the only THE ONLY person who has the right judgement to make the determination of guilt or not?
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 10:07 PM
+101
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 10:07 PM
Whoa whoa whoa. I’m biased because I’ve seen no evidence that would hold up in a court of law? You continually compare me and my fellow Cain supporters to Obama supporters by way of derision. But you know what else is also very Obama-voteresque? Threatening to vote for Obama because you don’t give a shit anymore. It’s time to stop talking when you’ve become a caricature of yourself.
gryphon202 on November 29, 2011 at 10:09 PM
Because Cain has not convinced me he will cause less harm long term than Obama can. Now, I will admit I do not know all his positions. So, show me that he can be trusted with the reputation of the (R) brand name and will not do as the two Bush’s did, push the American public towards electing further and further leftward leaning democrats into office as blow back for failed leadership.
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 10:09 PM
I hope Cain beats all of these garter-level accusations, but
he’s not presidential material yet and needs to regroup and try again when he has more seasoning and political savvy.
He’ll then have the right of return.
profitsbeard on November 29, 2011 at 10:11 PM
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 10:07 PM
You say Cain doesn’t have good character, yet you continue to admit that you can’t establish that he is “guilty” of anything. Yet Newt Gingrich has admitted guilt in being unfaithful to his ex-wives, and you “forgive” him? Where is your forgiveness when it comes to Herman Cain? You are being very selective in your judgment if others, yet you are too blind to see it? You are not being honest with yourself. You can’t be reasoned with.
JannyMae on November 29, 2011 at 10:13 PM
Exactly, JennyMae.
Notice how asteronii couldn’t answer the Scripture challenge I laid at its feet just a few minutes ago, pointing out how its hatred of others was patently against Jesus’s own commands and dictates.
Asteronii is nothing but a modern-day Pharisee, passing judgment upon everyone else while being little more than a whited sepulchre itself.
northdallasthirty on November 29, 2011 at 10:15 PM
You are biased, you admited it.
See, that, until I am convinced thing, that is a judgement call thing. It is not a truth call.
My argument is not that I do not give a shit anymore, is that projection on your part? It is that I do care, but I care just as much about 2022 and 2030 as I do about 2014 and 2015.
Maybe you can pick up where the cupid stunt loser refuses to go, and list out the reasons that make Cain the most conservative person in the race. I would go with big policies here. Like I said, you got to convince me the man is not going to be an albatross.
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 10:16 PM
Since I am not a Cain supporter, I’m not obligated nor inclined to “show you” anything. Wouldn’t you be better off doing your own research before dismissing Cain as not conservative? You are the one displaying ignorance, not those you are accusing of being uninformed.
Obama can do tremendous damage with a second term. Particularly when it comes to SCOTUS nominees. Bury your head in the sand and pretend Cain is no different than Obama, but don’t expect me to go there with you.
JannyMae on November 29, 2011 at 10:19 PM
Maybe you can pick up where the cupid stunt loser refuses to go, and list out the reasons that make Cain the most conservative person in the race. I would go with big policies here. Like I said, you got to convince me the man is not going to be an albatross.
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 10:16 PM
Better yet, why don’t you produce the evidence that Cain raped and sexually harassed these women that you are using to convict him?
You continually scream about evidence, yet you produce none of your own. Typical of Barack Obama supporters and Pharisees like yourself who think their racist bigotry is unobvious to the rest of us.
northdallasthirty on November 29, 2011 at 10:19 PM
Who isn’t biased? If I’m biased because I like Cain, you must be biased because you dislike him. If electing an unseasoned non-politician to the post of President of the United States of America makes it impossible for government to work, to me that’s a feature. Not a bug. I am biased towards conservative principles.
And once again, I would graciously remind you not to conflate my support of Herman Cain for enthusiasm. As many of his supporters also seem to think, I am beginning to think that this will be the final nail in his electoral coffin — fair or unfair, right or wrong. And in the end, it’s probably his tedancy to open mouth, insert foot that got him to this point. Unlike some Cain detractors, I take no pleasure in stating this, but it is most likely the truth.
gryphon202 on November 29, 2011 at 10:22 PM
I do not have to prove anything. He has already admitted to effectively cheating on his wife. A pastor must remain above reproach in his personal life to be a leader among the church. He is obviously was beyond simple reproach at this point. We are not going to get a trial, so there is not going to be a guilty verdict, it is up to us as individuals to make our judgement calls. I can forgive him, and in fact I personally could care less about his transgressions as it effects me personally. Of course, the damage he is causing the nation and more so as president, the fact that he is not repentant (not that that is a requirement for forgiveness), and the fact that forgiveness is not the same as forgetting and getting rid of the consequences, I am not in a position to be the one to forgive him. He did nothing TO me. And you cannot be reasoned with either. Much like the family member of a criminal will never believe their flesh and blood relative deserves to be punished, Cain skates on his sycophants desire to not confront the truth.
Did not see it, so, hard to answer it. Yes, my disgust at bad behavior is totally unlike the Jesus who shattered and strewn around the courtyard all the money changers tables. Who said I hate? I think I used a different word with a slight enough difference to have meaning.
I would have to hold a position of power in order to be a pharisee. You really should try and be more precise with your language. I am nothing more than a person that thinks the country’s people should really start being more morally good. The government is not going to change just because you pick Cain, Cain will change to fit the government and the wishes of the people, which are still predominantly less than required to keep the nation from decaying more. Cain is nothing like Reagan, Reagan studied relentlessly and auditioned for the job as a governor.
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM
Well, been fun. Glad to see none of you even know who your preferred candidate is, what he stands for, and really seem to be more like paid Soros bots than actual voters.
astonerii on November 29, 2011 at 10:33 PM
Well as soon as you can tell me your preferred candidate’s positions so I can show you where he’s contradicted himself, I’ll be happy to expound on why I like Herman Cain. Until then, put up or STFU.
gryphon202 on November 29, 2011 at 10:37 PM
Yeah, that’s what we thought. LOL.
northdallasthirty on November 29, 2011 at 10:57 PM
Sorry, but you need to explain what “effectively” means in this context. Did he cheat on his wife or didn’t he? He hasn’t admitted that he cheated on his wife. So, either you’re trying to couch your assumption of guilt by using the word “effectively,” or you’re just out and out lying. Whichever it is, it doesn’t reflect well on YOUR character.
How do you know that he is not repentant? You can see into his heart? You just proved NorthDallasThirty and me right.
I am not a Cain sycophant. I don’t support him as a candidate. So stop lumping me in with his supporters and stop projecting your own biases onto me.
JannyMae on November 29, 2011 at 11:00 PM
Once again you lump everyone who disagrees with you all together. You’re a dishonest little hack, aren’t you? Not to mention that you’re a hypocrite in flinging all these baseless ad hominem attacks, after earlier accusing someone of being a “fifth grader,” for calling you a douche bag.
You can’t argue your way out of a paper bag, so you try and make up for in quantity what you lack in quality by posting long, rambling tomes.
Knock yourself out, douche bag.
JannyMae on November 29, 2011 at 11:05 PM
Facts? About Ginger White? How about these?
Vay, who filed and won a libel lawsuit against White, refused to comment directly when asked whether she considers White’s accusations about Cain credible. “When you see the details of my lawsuit,” said Vay, “they will speak for themselves.” She then referred ABC News to her attorney.
Both women retained attorneys, according to Vay’s account, and reached an out-of-court settlement in April 2011. In June, Vay filed suit, claiming that White had failed to live up to the settlement and that she was entitled to sue for libel. Vay’s attorney Kurt Martin told ABC News that White had failed to honor the financial agreement that had settled the case.
When White did not respond to a subpoena or appear at a hearing, a DeKalb County judge entered a default judgment in Vay’s favor on Nov. 3, 2011. A jury will decide damages.
During an interview with Atlanta Fox affiliate WAGA, White was asked about Vay’s libel case. She said, “I admit it. Whatever happened with Kim and I happened.” Her attorney told the station that White didn’t respond to Vay’s lawsuit because she though the dispute had already been settled.
Was it wrong in any way to bring up those facts about Ginger’s life?
Anyone who’d scoff and snort at her lawyer’s excuse for not responding to Vay’s lawsuit must be a tool of the Devil! If you can’t get behind someone who has the honesty and integrity of a stand-up person like Ms. White, who can you get behind?
Say, what ever happened to that joint press conference Cain’s sexual harassment “victims” promised us was going to happen? Are they still working on having that? I can’t hardly wait to find out!!!
Bizarro No. 1 on November 29, 2011 at 11:17 PM
…apparently to the next anyone-who-isn’t-a-white-guy candidate. because conservatives are so not racist they have to prove by foisting up affirmative action tokens.
eh on November 29, 2011 at 11:18 PM
Yeah, all those allegations that the lawyer said were “very similar” to Bialek’s claims? Amazing, isn’t it, how they all faded so quickly back into the wordwork, without us hearing a word of the actual “charges?”
Yet people are claiming that this is the 6th woman to “come forward” with “the truth about Cain.”
What do phone calls and text messages establish, except that there was contact between these two people? What do they do that constitutes evidence of a 13 year “affair?”
“Guilty until proven innocent” is the new Republican primary voter mantra….until it’s their candidate who is being attacked. Then it will somehow just seem so UNFAIR!
JannyMae on November 29, 2011 at 11:35 PM
He still has my vote unless he drops out or until anyone shows some damn proof he is lying.
Dollayo on November 29, 2011 at 11:56 PM
That makes two of us.
gryphon202 on November 30, 2011 at 12:11 AM
Sweet, more adults on the defend Cain train. Must really be getting desperate. Next I will have to start translating Indian, Korean, Chinese and probably some Central American Spanish or possibility what ever they speak in Cuba as Soros is forced to outsource. You guys better get your game on, or he will cut your funding off and replace you with a dozen foreigners.
astonerii on November 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM
While you are a worthless pile of scum and the enemy because you would vote for Obama, I can easily answer your challenge because it’s so freakin’ easy, even with a number like 10. Mostly because Herman Cain has a website.
1. Secure the border, give states the authority to aid federal enforcement officials: We must secure our borders, enforce our laws and promote the existing path to citizenship. Protecting our nation’s sovereignty should be a paramount concern of those elected to lead us, not an afterthought or a reaction once the problem becomes even worse. Further, taking a stand on the issue does not mean one lacks compassion, but instead, that one respects the rule of law and the importance of not becoming a lawless nation.
2. All of the above on energy: expand our domestic energy resources by loosening government’s grip responsibly.
Subsidies on agricultural products, like ethanol-producing corn, have become a mechanism for the government to pick and choose industries it favors, while doing little to enhance our ability to harness real alternative energy resources. Instead, we must allow all forms of energy the ability to develop in a free market system.
3. Beliefs on faith and family: America’s moral foundation does not need to be rewritten. It needs to be respected and taught to our children and grandchildren. It is the basis for our concept of freedom. As former President Ronald Reagan reminded us many years ago:
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the blood stream. It must be fought for and protected and handed on for them to do the same. Or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and grandchildren what is used to be like in the United States when men were free.”
We are free because “In God Is Our Trust.”
4. No fear of using American military power; willingness to recognize the enemy: While diplomacy is a critical tool in solving the complex security issues we face, it must never compromise military might. Because we are such a free and prosperous people, we are the envy of the world. Many regimes seek to destroy us because they are threatened by our ideals, and they resent our prosperity. We must acknowledge the real and present danger that terrorist nations and organizations pose to our country’s future.
Further, we must stand by our friends and we must not be fooled by our enemies. We should never be deceived by terrorists. They only have one objective, namely, to kill all of us. We must always remain vigilant in dealing with adversaries.
We must support our military with the best training, equipment, technology and infrastructure necessary to keep them in a position to win. We must also provide our men and women in uniform, our veterans and their families with the benefits they deserve for their tremendous sacrifice. These heroes have served us. We must never forget to serve them.
I think you get the point though astonerii. I could stretch this out ad infinitum, but as I said, Cain does have a website.
BKennedy on November 30, 2011 at 1:03 AM
I believe not since Andrew Jackson was this done.
anuts on November 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM
parteagirl on November 29, 2011 at 4:41 PM
These problems-most of them-are of Cain’s own making.
Actions have consequences.
Mark block’s employer should have dropped out a month ago.
He gets zero sympathy from me.
annoyinglittletwerp on November 30, 2011 at 1:31 AM
lovingmyUSA on November 29, 2011 at 9:13 PM
You’re so ‘effed up I really don’t know who to respond .
You’re kool-aide drinking, personality cultist trash.
annoyinglittletwerp on November 30, 2011 at 1:42 AM
Those are goals.
I can say I am for a balanced budget, but if there is not plan or policy that guides us to that goal, what is the point of the goal as it will not materialize.
I have read his web site. It is all platitudes that fit the conservative voice.
1) Elect Cain
2) ???
3) Conservative Goal
It is like that with everything. When asked about getting rid of Obamacare and if the supreme court upholds law. He’ll get rid of it. How? What is the replacement if any? Crickets. Policy is not goals.
1) Goal, peace in the middle east.
2) ???
3) Peace? Seriously?
He wants to use the Ryan plan. ok great. How? if your president for 4 or 8 years and the Ryan plan makes 90% to 95% of its savings after your out of office, how do you impose that plan and its savings into the future?
He is willing to sign a balanced budget amendment, but is not willing to back it with the full authority and bully pulpit of the President who has great ability to sway the mood and the desires of the voters.
He wants to end abortion, but is unwilling to enforce a ban on abortions, as he still thinks it is something decided at the family level. Which all know is the woman decides.
It is great to have goals. I have a goal of losing 85lbs. Sometime in the future I want to say I am 85lbs lighter. Thus far I am only down 5 lbs in 6 months, but I got faith if I continue to not have a plan, I will soon start to shed that much every month! Of course, I had a goal of losing 75lbs before that, and on that goal I am 80lbs from my goal!
Man elect me. I am WAY more conservative than Cain.
I will end illegal immigration by using every single aspect of enforcement already on the books to a draconian degree.
I will defend this nation, but I will have the backing of congress if the military actions take longer than 60 days or cost more than 5 billion dollars.
I will control spending, and if need be by simply not allowing departments under my control to spend all the money allocated to them by congress.
I will eliminate the EPA, or so totally gut it that it is a meaningless department.
I will end the Education department, or gut it so deeply it will be 235 more years before it can be revived.
I will end the energy department’s stranglehold on our energy resources, and I will also end the ability of environmentalists to hold up construction of major projects needed to ensure our energy is reliable.
I will spend what ever time is needed pushing for a cut, cap and balance amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, so long as it does not take me from the responsibilities of defending this nation.
I will end federal unions by executive order.
I will give every state that votes for me a blanket exemption from Obamacare and every other state not one single exemption period.
Goal, policy, end result. Americans can judge that.
astonerii on November 30, 2011 at 2:08 AM
Those are goals.
See how easy it is to be dismissive?
Because guess what Obama voter, you aren’t running for president, you’re just an internet tough guy.
BKennedy on November 30, 2011 at 3:27 AM
My thanks to both of you!
I like Mr. Cain but hop on no trains and am prepared to walk to my destination. Herman Cain is now at the point of having to reach deep inside and help himself by being open and honest about any problems in his past and giving a set of policies that he wishes to carry out and how he proposes to do them. I cannot do that for him, nor can his supporters, it is up to the man, himself, to do this and confront any last demons haunting his past and drag them out to daylight. The hard job of doing that and formulating his vision for what makes him uniquely qualified to be President and say what it is… that is a daunting task for anyone.
The MFM don’t ask that of D’s, only of R’s so there is bias in this system.
The trick is to turn the bias into the crucible that allows the useless and harmful parts of your life to be pushed out and slaked off in public. Then you become stronger, your message clearer and people will judge you not only based on your past character but the strength of character to do these things. You still do not get a perfect individual at the end of that process, but the flaws become well known and when you compare his flaws to yours, then you can determine if he has the strength to carry on with them and adjust for them.
That doesn’t take a miracle.
I really do want to see the content of the character of these candidates. I think one or two have character, the others are characters in their own lives. Give me a flawed individual of principle willing to go through hell for this Nation to restore government to its proper role and function, and I will back that person to the hilt. I don’t have to love them, I just have to respect them and acknowledge they have a clue as to what the problem is.
Mr. Cain can turn this around.
If he does, watch out for what happens next.
ajacksonian on November 30, 2011 at 6:38 AM
It is really hard to drag stuff out into daylight that didn’t happen.
He can’t fess up to something that never occurred.
If anyone thinks this last accusation has any right of truth to it, I think they are the ones who need to step back and reassess the available facts.
I know we desperately want to sympathize with this woman, but the onus of credibility between these two people is way in Cain’s favor.
Lawrence on November 30, 2011 at 8:15 AM
The unintentional hilariousness of this post says it all.
Lets all keep in mind this “lying c*nt” (keeping hotair classy, I see) has tons of cell phone records, including calls to her in the middle of the night. She also has a signed book that says “Friends are forever, the other stuff is a bonus”
Add to that we ALSO have cain saying this is a “private matter”, which says to me if it were a “public matter”, he wouldn’t look too good.
BTW, cain? You’re running for president. Every time you take a dump it’s a public matter. We have a right to know EVERYTHING.
triple on November 30, 2011 at 9:18 AM
triple on November 30, 2011 at 9:18 AM
As I said earlier: lovingmyusa isn’t class…she’s trash.
She jumps from personality cult to personality cult because her weak, sheeple mind is incapable of critical thought.
annoyinglittletwerp on November 30, 2011 at 10:36 AM
61 phone calls OR texts, constitutes “tons of records?” ONE was very early in the morning. Nobody knew what the calls and texts were about, but to you it’s proof of a 13 year affair? You clearly believe whatever you want to believe. I prefer to have substantive proof of accusations before I believe a “witness’” and that doesn’t make ME the fool, here.
JannyMae on November 30, 2011 at 10:37 AM
Projection.
JannyMae on November 30, 2011 at 10:38 AM
In defense of CAIN…if this got as much play in the media as CAINs 11 second pause ….the entire Nation would rise up and throw POTUS out before the end of his turn..
RedLizard64 on November 30, 2011 at 11:51 AM
61 phone calls & texts.. the flirty book signature.. the fact the woman is saying she had an affair.. combined with the half dozen women who have come out so far saying cain is a horndog.. half of those women having earned sexual harassment settlements.. combined with the fact cain is saying this is all none of our business..
Paints a picture, doesn’t it?
There’s he said she said, but half a dozen people willing to testify to something is usually enough to put a guy away for murder.
But to you – not enough! I wonder why?
triple on November 30, 2011 at 12:06 PM
Not trying to pick a fight but…as much as you are entitled to your own opinion you are are not entitled to your own facts. I have followed this story rather closely, not because CAIN is my preferred (which he is not) but because of how easily the media gins things up and folks fill in the gaps with their own fantasies and make things up. How many women? you say have a dozen. What are their names? From my account there are MAYBE four….
Karen Kraushaar who was one of two previously unamed persons who were paid “GO AWAY” money.
Sharon Bialek (who might or might not be the previously unamed second person) who is represented by Gloria Allred
and finally Ginger White.
Everyone of them (allegations) come from a very specific time frame of when Cain was or had recently been the president of the NRA. Every female has some connection to Chicago. Every woman has or continues to have financial problems, emotional issues, and have either cried sexual harassment in the past or otherwised tried to game the system for perks (Kraushaar…very much so).
Two females (three if you count Cain’s wife, AZ State Sen. Lori Klein and Kimberly Vay…albeit Vays testimony is more that CAIN was never brought up by White , but she also condemns White as unreliable…which in a manner of speaking is a defense of Cain) have now risen to his defense either vouching for his character or giving testimony to the lack of charater on part of the accusers.
RedLizard64 on November 30, 2011 at 12:32 PM
But no proof.
Yup. But no proof.
Do you know what “corpus delicti” means? Without actual proof that a crime was committed by someone, all the supposed “eyewitness” testimony in the world doesn’t mean shit.
Maybe because there’s no proof…?
gryphon202 on November 30, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Absolutely! But, would you expect anything other than that from a PerryKrishna cultist who used to complain about the way Palinistas trashed others, and who now carries on exactly like they did?
I have no tolerance for blind, self-righteous, abusive/offensive hypocrites (and neither should anyone else, for that matter) – trying to have rational discussions with people like a.l.t. on subjects they’re passionate about after they’ve obliviously lost their minds is like trying to have them with OWSers about capitalism – if you don’t watch out, you might get fleas or TB from the experience!
Bizarro No. 1 on November 30, 2011 at 12:39 PM
time for him to exit the stage, period. he’s an embarrassment and distraction, enough of this amateurish idiocy called ‘Cain campaign’.
jimver on November 30, 2011 at 1:48 PM
@ gryphon202 on November 30, 2011 at 12:33 PM
How DARE YOU WANT PROOF , This is the internet, all we need are lies,rumors and scurrilous innuendo.
The nerve of wanting proof.
That is all, carry on.
ColdWarrior57 on November 30, 2011 at 4:09 PM
It would be a shame if Cain quit now before Iowa and New Hampshire. Hopefully he sticks around.
SoulGlo on November 30, 2011 at 7:42 PM
Cain’s accuser’s “partner“?
Welcome back to the latest edition of “As The Stomach Turns”. Tonight, we find GOP Presidential Candidate Herman Cain fending off allegations that he had a thirteen-year affair with Ginger White, a woman whom he does claim to have known. Now we are getting word that White may have had an affair with Kimberly Vay, her former business partner. [end]
I’m not sayin’ nothin’, I’m just sayin’….
Akzed on November 30, 2011 at 10:48 PM
Just for the record, Cain has now come out with the news that he DID provide financial assistance to this woman, paying her rent, etc.
Oh.. and his wife knew nothing about this.
That totally sounds reasonable.
Men pay other women’s bills without telling their wives ALL THE TIME.
Right? RIGHT?
(told ya so)
triple on December 1, 2011 at 5:47 PM
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