When good paying jobs go unfilled

posted at 12:05 pm on November 28, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

We hear so much these days about the unemployment figures and the lack of good paying jobs for the disappearing middle class that it’s almost become the new normal. Combined with that, the plaintive cries from the OWS occupiers about the heavy burdens of oppressive college loans for graduates unable to find work have become a regular fixture in political discussions. Which is why it’s odd when we see the Wall Street Journal reporting on employers looking to fill relatively high wage jobs and having little to no success in finding takers.

Ferrie Bailey’s job should be easy: hiring workers amid the worst stretch of unemployment since the Depression.

A recruiter for Union Pacific Corp., she has openings to fill, the kind that sometimes seem to have all but vanished: secure, well-paying jobs with good benefits that don’t require a college degree.

But they require specialized skills—expertise in short supply even with the unemployment rate at 9%. Which is why on a recent morning the recruiter found herself in a hiring hall here anxiously awaiting the arrival of just two people she had invited to interviews, winnowed from an initial group of nearly five dozen applicants. With minutes to go, the folding chairs sat empty. “I don’t think they’re going to show,” Ms. Bailey said, pacing in the basement room.

Moe Lane jumps on this opportunity with a decision to send the kids to electrician’s school.

Or maybe it’ll be plumber’s school. Or welding. Doesn’t really matter: until people don’t have to spend tens of thousands of dollars a year to get poorly educated for white-collar jobs that don’t actually exist, some sort of technical training is looking more and more attractive. We’re always going to need electricians and plumbers, and they can improve their minds on their lunch breaks. Which they’ll get, because we’re always going to need electricians and plumbers.

It’s a valid point which we’ve made here before and always draw criticism for it. I’m not saying there’s no value to a college education. Having the right sheepskin and a willingness to work hard is absolutely a solid course for those with the ability to pursue it. But not everyone can and – increasingly – fewer and fewer are willing to look at lower cost but potentially productive alternate paths.

I’ve told this story before, but it bears repeating. Right in my neighborhood there is the son of one of my neighbors who finished high school several years back and went into an apprenticeship and technical school training program for heating and air conditioning. Within six months of graduating high school he had a secure, full time job which is bringing in some seriously good pay and benefits. Yes, the job involves hard work, finds him coming home covered in dirt and dust, and he frequently has to deal with irate, if not panicking homeowners. But he had no outstanding debt and at the age of 25 was already purchasing his first home. As his father tells it, he got a terrific rate on it, putting down a very substantial down payment.

The point is, there is still blue collar work out there to be done. And unlike many white collar jobs, a lot of it will never be able to be outsourced to other countries, as so often happens to computer programming jobs and others in related fields. Nobody is going to be able to log in to “the cloud” from Brazil and dig a new foundation for your home, wire it up, install the plumbing or put on a new roof. Those jobs will remain here at home.

I would once again suggest taking a look at Matthew B. Crawford’s wonderful book, Shop Class as Soulcraft. In it, he examines what he describes as “the value of work.” He also notes with dismay the decades long trend of high schools abandoning shop class and any other training for skills requiring the use of your hands. When schools began to push everyone to go to a university, they also seemed to scorn and delegitimize the trades, much to our detriment. And now we see jobs which could help rebuild the middle class going empty because we’ve forgotten the value of good old fashioned work.

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My son had pretty good success getting a job with a mechanical engineering job; there is no doubt the demand is in the ‘hardware’ skill sets.

michaelo on November 28, 2011 at 12:10 PM

You know who has these skill sets?

That’s right, illegal Mexicans.

SlaveDog on November 28, 2011 at 12:12 PM

John Ratzenberger, Cliff Claven from Cheers, has been fighting for blue collar jobs and education for years.

Just A Grunt on November 28, 2011 at 12:13 PM

When schools began to push everyone to go to a university, they also seemed to scorn and delegitimize the trades, much to our detriment.

That’s a great point, Jazz. It’s a point that’s been made by not only schools, but also by our own parents and society. My father, a blue collar machinist to this day, said that his job could be taken away any day, but if I got myself a good education, I can take that to the grave. I took his advice, earned an AA, then kept going and a BS, then a master’s and now a PhD. In the interim, I never devalued hard labor as a dead end road. I grew up painting, doing construction, working on cars, etc and still value the lessons learned, results seen, and inherent value in that type of work. You are right–there is always room for labor. If you look at it from a biblical perspective, there is tremendous inherent value in labor.

great post.

ted c on November 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM

The point is, there is still blue collar work out there to be done. And unlike many white collar jobs, a lot of it will never be able to be outsourced to other countries

Good grief, I’ve been screaming this for years.

LEARN A TRADE, KIDS!!!!!

Bat Chain Puller on November 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM

I’m skeptical of this on a macro level. If you look at the data, unemployment is 4% for those with a college degree and income has been growing at a faster rate for the past 30 years for those with vs. without college degrees.

That’s not to say that we shouldn’t encourage kids to learn trades who otherwise do nothing after high school. But saying go to trade school vs. college is the wrong advice, IMO.

angryed on November 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM

It seems as if we’ve hit the saturation point between the value of an education and the subsequent ability to obtain meaningful employment resulting from it. OWS is a great example. When everybody is educated, what’s the value of it?

The timeless interview question of “What can you do for us?” will never go out of style. Many of the hard lessons we learned as teenagers in min-wage jobs helped prepare us for the positions we currently hold.

ted c on November 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM

My husband was an aircraft electrician, I wonder if that’s of any value?

Cindy Munford on November 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Repo man and telephone bill collector jobs are hiring for 3 years now.

seven on November 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM

My husband was an aircraft electrician, I wonder if that’s of any value?

Cindy Munford on November 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM

A lot of aircraft maintenance is done outside the country now. It’s cheaper to fly an empty plane to Central America, have mechanics work on it and fly it back, than pay American wages for the work.

angryed on November 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM

But saying go to trade school vs. college is the wrong advice, IMO.

Engineering, the “hard” sciences, business, medicine, law.

Any other major is not worth the tuition.

Bat Chain Puller on November 28, 2011 at 12:22 PM

A lot of aircraft maintenance is done outside the country now. It’s cheaper to fly crash an empty plane halfway to Central America, have mechanics work oninsurance pay for it and fly it back, than paydeal with American wagesregulations pertaining to for the work.

angryed on November 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM

If it needs electrical work, it might just not make the trip there. They do that for regularly scheduled maintenance, not for critical repairs.

astonerii on November 28, 2011 at 12:26 PM

I hate to sound cliche, but I blame media and pop culture in large part for the dearth of skilled tradespeople. With few exceptions, on TV and in movies everyone’s a lawyer or doctor (if they’re not a cop or a criminal). Celebrities in entertainment and sports are the new royalty.

Blue collar professions (yes, I believe they are professions) are marginalized as uncool, unsexy and incapable of supporting one’s rock ‘n roll lifestyle.

Oh, and get off my lawn.

flipflop on November 28, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Any other major is not worth the tuition.

Bat Chain Puller on November 28, 2011 at 12:22 PM

I want to finish my BS in Engineering, but a distance learning course for the AS to BS classes will cost over $30,000 and likely interfere with my ability to do overtime.

astonerii on November 28, 2011 at 12:28 PM

The point is, there is still blue collar work out there to be done.

But but but you can’t sit around looking down at those folks when you’re actually one of them!

What’s the fun in that?

#OCCUPYWALLSTREET!@!!!! PAY MY STUDENT LOAN DEBTS, MIDDLE CLASS!@!11!

Good Lt on November 28, 2011 at 12:28 PM

I recently saw a Governor complain that an infrastructure project was delayed because they couldn’t find enough welders.

J_Crater on November 28, 2011 at 12:29 PM

angryed on November 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Learning a trade should be the primary focus of HS. If people wish to pursue a degree, then so be it. But promoting a skill set early will give everyone a useful skill and something they can always fall back on. How it is now though is like that video, Candy Mountain.

NotCoach on November 28, 2011 at 12:30 PM

You know who has these skill sets?

That’s right, illegal Mexicans.

SlaveDog on November 28, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Seriously? You’ve obviously never been to Mexico to see the state of infrastructure there.

BierManVA on November 28, 2011 at 12:30 PM

I’m looking to learn a new trade. I was learning framing/interior finish work and getting fairly good at it before I got hurt, now I need to find something that isn’t so physically demanding. Plus the construction industry isn’t exactly booming right now.

People keep asking “why not go to school? You’ve got the GI bill.”. I just don’t have the patience or demeanor to sit in a classroom and suck up useless information. I want targeted and specific instruction that I can build on with real-world experience later on.

Mord on November 28, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Another possibility: people don’t want to be compelled to join a union.

njcommuter on November 28, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Bill Maher smacking down stupid Rep. Keith Ellison.

Wait, what? Did I just write that?

Yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wGWNnVWXdc

Classic common sense.

BocaJuniors on November 28, 2011 at 12:35 PM

The railroads have always been a good industry. Sure, it can be hard work (and sometimes dangerous), but it’s good, honest work, and historically the retirement plans have been very good.

Ward Cleaver on November 28, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Sorry, title for previous YouTube video is:

Maher: “A lot of people are going to college and doing bull****’”

Amen.

BocaJuniors on November 28, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Many of the hard lessons we learned as teenagers in min-wage jobs helped prepare us for the positions we currently hold.

Thats assuming the teenager is working, looking for or even ABLE to get a job. Most of your entry level jobs are the ones being refused as “beneath” them, or classified as the jobs “Americans wont do”.

Koa on November 28, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Another possibility: people don’t want to be compelled to join a union.

njcommuter on November 28, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Sadly, that’s true. A lot of the trades are union (like IBEW), and that’s opened the door for illegal aliens to take skilled tradesman work.

Ward Cleaver on November 28, 2011 at 12:38 PM

John Ratzenberger, Cliff Claven from Cheers, has been fighting for blue collar jobs and education for years.

Just A Grunt

Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs has started a website for that very purpose and has testified to congress about the issue.

http://www.mikeroweworks.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h_pp8CHEQ0

Benaiah on November 28, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Thats assuming the teenager is working, looking for or even ABLE to get a job. Most of your entry level jobs are the ones being refused as “beneath” them, or classified as the jobs “Americans wont do”.

Koa on November 28, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Blame the parents. No parent should give anything to a teenager. Tell them if they want it they have to work for it.

NotCoach on November 28, 2011 at 12:38 PM

The OWS folks are expecting a good paying job with a degree in ancient history or Mycenean art. As others have posted, if you want to make money find out what companies are paying for and study that.

I’m not knocking trade jobs at all. In fact, after the high tech bubble burst I considered becoming an electrician.

dogsoldier on November 28, 2011 at 12:39 PM

I couldn’t agree more. I have 10–10!–years of higher education. I have a BS in Physics, an MS in Atmospheric Physics and a JD. I work in-house as an attorney and make a comfortable living, but I still have about $100,000 in student loan debt hanging over my head. I bought a nice house earlier this year and drive a 2006 SUV.

A guy I know has 3 cars (I’m not exaggerating): a Hummer H1, a yellow Lamborghini and a BMW 7 series. He has a bigger house than I do, and owns a vacation home and a rental property. He never went to college, but he makes a really, really good bagel.

Never confuse schooling with an education.

DailyDanet on November 28, 2011 at 12:40 PM

The Democrats will probably label these as “green jobs”, and force them to be union jobs.

Just like they are already doing to construction jobs here in Mass.

shanimal on November 28, 2011 at 12:40 PM

My son has a welding certificate & is now in school part time taking CNC Machining classes. His problem is he is deaf. Most employers won’t even interview him. His welding instructors all gave him great references & said he was the most talented welder they had seen in a long time. Even temp services wouldn’t talk to him.

He finally did get a job only because the HR guy at a company my brother used to work for was willing to give him a chance based on what my brother said.

So, some companies don’t care how talented a welder you are. If they see you as a liability you still won’t get the job. And for those that think the ADA fixed this crap you would be totally wrong.

Hopefully when he completes the CNC Machinging program he can find a company that isn’t afraid to hire him.

He also has 2 years of traditional college classes. He will make some company a great worker.

Terri on November 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM

I’ve gone the “preferred” route in my career: engineering degree, 9 to 5 military contracting job, moving up through management. I was steered on this route for money and security. I have been laid off twice due to shifting military priorities, have just squeezed by financially these 25+ years, and have *never* enjoyed my job. Just recently, I’ve received certification as an emergency medical technician and have been volunteering on ambulance runs. I love it. I’ve also found out that many cities pay just as much (or more) for EMT services as I’m making on my job as an engineer. At almost 50 years old, I’m contemplating leaving a professional job for one that requires no degree. Leaving one where layoffs are common for one where they are rare. Leaving one that I hate for one that I love. I wish I had known about this before I invested tens of thousands of dollars in my college degree and 2.5 decades in boring ass jobs.

JSGreg3 on November 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Seriously? You’ve obviously never been to Mexico to see the state of infrastructure there.

BierManVA on November 28, 2011 at 12:30 PM

I assumed SlaveDog was being sarcastic and suggesting that would be the new reason to leave the border open.

Kafir on November 28, 2011 at 12:45 PM

“The Cloud” was Sun’s Larry Ellison’s dream. However, it was far too early.

I don’t like “The Cloud”. Whoopie do. While clouds may have silver linings, most of the time they represent danger, trouble, and bad weather.

TexasDude on November 28, 2011 at 12:45 PM

There’s a small school system in Kentucky I’m working with that is doing something novel. All the kids go through a 9th grade that is typical for high school students, having exposure to math, english, science, etc., that will bring the students to an functional proficiency in those areas.

Sophomores, juniors and seniors will be divided up into four academies. Each academy specializes in different career paths, such as mechanics, computers, business, arts, etc. Students of similar interest will go through school together. With support from local industry and the community college, most graduates will not only have marketable skills but will have earned college credits towards their secondary education if they chose that path.

shuzilla on November 28, 2011 at 12:46 PM

It’s not just the skill set needed, it is the location of the jobs. In my area there are many electricians, plumbers, and other construction trade workers with work, but the jobs are not in our area. These people own homes they can’t sell.

Like I tell my kids, you are going to have to go where the jobs are. In the near future the jobs will not just be in the next state over, but in the next country. Many Americans are going abroad to work and many are loving it. In my career I have been fortunate to only have to travel from county to county for a job.

Also, I would like to see if some of these companies are starting training programs for recent grads or just looking for the experienced.

livermush on November 28, 2011 at 12:49 PM

The book “World War Z” makes an interesting point.
After the war, the people who had the skills of a carpenter, etc., were in huge demand.
The other “Account Executive” types were pretty useless.

So, learn how to use a hammer, will ya?!

Fartnokker on November 28, 2011 at 12:50 PM

I have a large extended family and am the only one who had a white collar job.

I am also the only one who lost his pension when the company went bankrupt and is now working part time at Wal-Mart while trying to get a new business off the ground.

i have three brothers who will retire in the next 3 years with fat pensions. Two of them will retire in their 50s and one at age 60.

Vince on November 28, 2011 at 12:52 PM

We’ve been fixing up a distressed, newly acquired “short sale” home. We are doing what we can ourselves but almost all of the people we’ve hired to do the work requiring more expertise have been in their 60′s.

It’s hard to find younger craftsmen, repairmen or technicians in my area. The only exception has been the guy hired to sand the wood floors. He’s in his 20′s and says he is booked up through next year with various projects.

Hubby says our youngest son should ask to be an apprentice to one of the older guys while they are still able to pass along their wisdom and craft. It’s not a bad idea.

Fallon on November 28, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Go into plumbing or mortuary training, young man. People gotta die and, before that, the gotta use the biffy.

whatcat on November 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM

I’ve gone the “preferred” route in my career: engineering degree, 9 to 5 military contracting job, moving up through management. I was steered on this route for money and security. I have been laid off twice due to shifting military priorities, have just squeezed by financially these 25+ years, and have *never* enjoyed my job. Just recently, I’ve received certification as an emergency medical technician and have been volunteering on ambulance runs. I love it. I’ve also found out that many cities pay just as much (or more) for EMT services as I’m making on my job as an engineer. At almost 50 years old, I’m contemplating leaving a professional job for one that requires no degree. Leaving one where layoffs are common for one where they are rare. Leaving one that I hate for one that I love. I wish I had known about this before I invested tens of thousands of dollars in my college degree and 2.5 decades in boring ass jobs.

JSGreg3 on November 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM

One of my best friends in high school shocked everyone by deciding not to go to college but to become an EMT. He is already retired, owns a house and a boat free and clear, and put two kids through college with no debt. He may be the happiest person I know.

rockmom on November 28, 2011 at 1:00 PM

BocaJuniors on November 28, 2011 at 12:35 PM

You are evil. I click on your link and not only see Ellison and Maher but Andrew Sullivan and Chris Matthews.

I must go cleanse myself.

Vince on November 28, 2011 at 1:03 PM

My parents and grandparents remembered the Great Depression and gave me some Great Advice:

Have both a trade and a profession.

Some I’m a Ph.D. electrical engineer who put himself through undergrad as a welder. So far that’s worked well, although I haven’t done anything other than recreational welding for years.

nerdbert on November 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Engineering, the “hard” sciences, business, medicine, law.

Any other major is not worth the tuition.

Yep, after 8 years in the Navy i went back to school and obtained an engineering degree, that math and science stuff is hard, but if you want to feel good about yourseld get a BA in Ethnic and Gender Studies plus $100,000 in student loans, yeah that’s the ticket.

skanter on November 28, 2011 at 1:19 PM

I assumed SlaveDog was being sarcastic and suggesting that would be the new reason to leave the border open.

Kafir on November 28, 2011 at 12:45 PM

No, I thought the point being that Mexican’s are willing to work, and not willing to occupy a park.

right2bright on November 28, 2011 at 1:21 PM

I have a lot more use and respect for a plumber or a mechanic or someone who raises chickens than I do for most politicians. My hero is the dirty jobs guy! And he even went and testified before Congress about the need to fill these jobs, about a year ago or so.

scalleywag on November 28, 2011 at 1:25 PM

My son had pretty good success getting a job with a mechanical engineering job; there is no doubt the demand is in the ‘hardware’ skill sets.

michaelo on November 28, 2011 at 12:10 PM

ME’s will always have a job in the US.

EE’s & CE’s only of they speak Mandarin and don’t mind relocating a little to the west.

roy_batty on November 28, 2011 at 1:37 PM

I’m not too impressed with the quality of training our heating and plumbing people are getting, either. I called all over trying to find someone who said he could work on the hydronic heating system for my rental. The guy removed some parts from the system, fiddled with it for almost three weeks, wouldn’t return my phone calls, and I finally had to threaten him to get him to put the parts back so I could find someone else to fix it. Then I found a manual for the boiler on-line, traced out the water flow myself, watched the temperature gauges when it fired up, and deduced that one of the circulation pumps had failed. Total debugging time: about an hour, and I knew zero about the system when I started.

Socratease on November 28, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Socratease on November 28, 2011 at 1:40 PM

As you just discovered, self-reliance is your first & best course of action.

roy_batty on November 28, 2011 at 1:47 PM

This goes back 15, 16 years.
The local school district where we were living at the time had a committee of non-school people meet about half a dozen times during the year to offer ideas on upgrading the system.
There were three of us on a committee of about 20 who really pushed to get language in the report on improving the program for future tradesmen, mechanics, beauticians, etc., to make sure they got at least some exposure to basic business classes, such as accounting, so that when they got into the real world and considered going into business for themselves, they would at least have a clue.
Ironically, the three of us were all white-collar types.
We got a few lines at the end of the report.
Our education system is failing in part because it does not acknowledge that there are different intelligences. Some young folks may struggle mightily with the traditional academic book-learning, but put them into a situation where they have to fix a car, build a shed, etc., they shine.
I’m old enough to have had shop in junior high (3 years worth). For more complex issues, I need help, but I can deal with a lot of basic stuff and I even built a shed-sized clubhouse for my son when he was a young lad. Shop classes help everybody and should still be going.

either orr on November 28, 2011 at 1:49 PM

My brother is a master electrician, sitting on the unemployment line in a large unionized state. He’s almost starving and has a wife and young child to support.

At Thanksgiving my nephew told him he could move to Wyoming tomorrow and make a six figure income in the Jonah fields. He’d have more work than he could handle.

He won’t move. He’s in a union and the union will take care of him, and therefore he starves slowly and his wife and child with him. He has no enterprising spirit or willingness to take risk. He’s a union man.

I hate unions. I absolutely loathe them.

bonnie_ on November 28, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Does any kid these days know what an “apprenticeship” is? It may be unpaid, but one of the best ways to learn a trade is to work with someone that knows the trade already. Besides, it’ll help to determine if you enjoy the work or not. Before the days of Vo-Tech, or any college with “A&M” or “Tech” in their name, this was the ONLY way to learn a trade.
Sadly though, many companies’ insurance forbids this unless you are actually employed by them, even if you sign a waiver. My daughter ran into this when she wanted to do a volunteer apprenticeship at a vet clinic before going to vet tech school.

RMCS_USN on November 28, 2011 at 2:08 PM

He also notes with dismay the decades long trend of high schools abandoning shop class and any other training for skills requiring the use of your hands.

Ye. The local high school got rid of “industrial arts” in the mid-70′s. No more woodworking (both power and hand tools), no more auto shop, no more metal shop. Guess the educated idiots who run the school systems figure that cars and toilets will fix themselves.

GarandFan on November 28, 2011 at 2:11 PM

The trick is that lots of people these days don’t want to work for a living. Particularly if by “work” you mean physical labor.

But at the end of the day, physical labor is what makes things. Unless you’re one of the precious few who can imagine and design new concepts, the hands-on work of producing stuff is necessary and rewarding.

hawksruleva on November 28, 2011 at 2:26 PM

So far that’s worked well, although I haven’t done anything other than recreational welding for years.

nerdbert on November 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Recreational welding. I know some folks who do that. Welders can always find work, because anywhere there’s destruction, there’s people needed to repair and rebuild. Remember the boom for welders after the first Gulf War?

hawksruleva on November 28, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Next time a high school parent says their son can’t find a summer job, you might suggest that the dad needs a new outbuilding as a workshop, with a sink and toilet, a 50 amp box, cinderblock foundation, framed walls with brick veneer, insulation, floated sheetrock, a small cupola, built-in cabinets, and so on. Work the first hour with him on each new task. Could be a very good use of 10K$. See what he likes.
I’ve heard new homeowners today need classes to fix a problem with a sink. That’s just sad.

tomg51 on November 28, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Ye. The local high school got rid of “industrial arts” in the mid-70′s.
GarandFan on November 28, 2011 at 2:11 PM

Now the conversation shifts to tort reform…..
If there was a multi million dollar payout for a hot cup of coffee how much do you think a kid with a sliver from woodshop would get?

Koa on November 28, 2011 at 2:37 PM

I was told many times going back more than 25 years ago that I was in a dying trade… machinist.
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By maintaining an attitude of always being willing to learn the next new thing and doing the tough jobs, by constantly upgrading my skills as new tech came online and in fact pushing for the new tech to be brought in by doing research into the how and whys, and by broadening my list of talents to include electronics, CAD/CAM, solid modeling, office/supervisory/people/inventory management… and the list goes on… and updates continually… my position is good today. Better than ever in fact.
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Hell, I even volunteered to be laid off 12 years ago so that I could go get a major upgrade to my CNC ability… which has over this past year paid off big time in showing my value to the very same company I was laid off from those many years ago.
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Buck up gang… ‘think out of the box?’ I believe that there is no box… Even believing in the box ties one to it. Machinist/tool maker/CNC programmer is still part of my job… but only about 25% of the duties in my chosen career path.
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I visited an old boss a couple years ago, he was still doing mostly the same things that we did when I was his assistant foreman 20 years ago. He seemed bored with it all, but it was a paycheck. As we talked and I described my job… he said at one point… “That’s the kinda job people kill for”.
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I read in a biz mag a few years ago that I may not be allowed to retire because I’ll be in demand… As in everyone else walked away from doing what I do because they listened to the tales of coming doom for my skill set. We lost our part-timer last year, a 10 years retired tool maker… 30 hours a week was all he wanted to work. His and my replacement after my promotion? In his late 50s… because there are no young guys that have the skills…
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And always remember the dotcom crash, and the MSCE training (MicroSoft Certified Engineer), which was paid for by unemployment and over-hyped by all… They lied.
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Diversify… There is no box.
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RalphyBoy on November 28, 2011 at 2:39 PM

My husband was an aircraft electrician, I wonder if that’s of any value?

Cindy Munford on November 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM

It sure is. Look to Lockheed, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, and General Atomics for those jobs. All of those are so heavily involved in defense contracts there are always jobs for aircraft technicians.

stacman on November 28, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Thats assuming the teenager is working, looking for or even ABLE to get a job. Most of your entry level jobs are the ones being refused as “beneath” them, or classified as the jobs “Americans wont do”.

Koa on November 28, 2011 at 12:36 PM

No kidding. A few months ago, my 19 year old son quit his 2nd pizza job to find something different (against my suggestion). Three months later, he finally got a job in a movie theater. He applied (and re-applied) dozens and dozens of times.

Teens are having a horrible time getting jobs… which will cause problems later with having a chain of job experiences prior to entering the “real” job world.

dominigan on November 28, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Most employers are only looking for people with extensive experience in whatever niche pproduct or service they provide. The won’t train anybody or aren’t capable of it. A lot of them rely on the temporary staffing (rent-a-peon) companies to provide them with employees that fit into the exact niche and work for nothing.

They also won’t hire outsiders from other states.

Defense contractors and railroads suck. They are all unionized.

Tc0061 on November 28, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Tc0061 on November 28, 2011 at 2:55 PM

I think there are some short-lines, yards and port railroads that are not. Then again, they don’t pay as well.

tomg51 on November 28, 2011 at 3:02 PM

I’m skeptical of this on a macro level. If you look at the data, unemployment is 4% for those with a college degree and income has been growing at a faster rate for the past 30 years for those with vs. without college degrees.

That’s not to say that we shouldn’t encourage kids to learn trades who otherwise do nothing after high school. But saying go to trade school vs. college is the wrong advice, IMO.

angryed on November 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM

I think that figure is misleading. I know lots of younger adults with degrees who may be employed but they’re working only part-time or at a low rate of pay. I know a few whoo aren’t making much more than a cashier at Walmart.
I think it isn’t a matter of either/or but information. I’d bet alot of kids attending college do so because they’ve been told that is their only choice. My son attended a vocational high school, went to a two year tech school, has never been unemployed, and has always made a very good income with excellent benfits.
A few things, he was willing to relocate, he knows how to negotiate with management(no union needed,) and had no problem always looking at other possibilites.
Many college graduates are stuck in a mind set that there is only one kind of job they are willing to work or can do and really have not been taught any people skills or the ability to look past tomorrow’s morning latte.

Deanna on November 28, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Wow.. companies might have to start training people again to get the workers they need instead of whining about vanishing skill sets.

I’m tired of these stories. Find a good employee with a good work ethic, train them, build loyalty, and quit f’n complaining.

Chubbs65 on November 28, 2011 at 3:56 PM

Here in Idaho, state and federal regulation treats private, for-profit career schools like criminals, which unnecessarily raises the cost for students. But most of mine graduate with no debt because we keep tuition as low as possible and don’t have fancy dorms, football stadiums, and diversity centers. Our programs are geared to getting the job training as quickly as possible or as affordable as possible, and because they are in the workforce in weeks or months, graduates save thousands of dollars by hitting the job market sooner.
Many of my current paramedic students are on second careers, and about half already have degrees, but no job. We will be starting a personal trainer program in January that already has employers lined up for the graduates. Perhaps I should consider an electrician course, as well.

spudmom on November 28, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Defense contractors and railroads suck. They are all unionized.

Tc0061 on November 28, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Huh? I’ve worked for 4 different defense contractors, from technician to engineer, and not one of them even suggested a union was an option (not that it would have mattered, it wouldn’t have been the first job I quit rather than be forced to join a union).

runawayyyy on November 28, 2011 at 4:27 PM

I grew up painting, doing construction, working on cars, etc and still value the lessons learned, results seen, and inherent value in that type of work. You are right–there is always room for labor. If you look at it from a biblical perspective, there is tremendous inherent value in labor.

great post.

ted c on November 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM

I wanted to be a biomedical engineer, or a carpenter. Both were honorable, interesting, and paid well. Try to get those two on the same list now.

As everyone is pointing out, it’s the baseless stigma.

I wish I could find a reference to that study a few years back that showed people doing physical work were better in bed. It’s salacious, I guess, and something I prefer not to mention now that I don’t actually do “physical work” anymore — but I’d be willing to take the hit if it would change things :)

I guess I could just … wax my saw … start tinkering on some things on the weekend … bookshelf? …

Screw it.

Axe on November 28, 2011 at 4:39 PM

One of my best friends in high school shocked everyone by deciding not to go to college but to become an EMT. He is already retired, owns a house and a boat free and clear, and put two kids through college with no debt. He may be the happiest person I know.

rockmom on November 28, 2011 at 1:00 PM

But that would make him a public servant and they don’t make any money…or so we are constantly told.

ramrants on November 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Two thoughts:
1) As an employer (manufacturer) I am constantly having to hire people. I can’t find good people – and all I need is someone who will work hard and show up. I will train, offer decent pay and great benefits. And yet almost everyone I try is unmotivated, won’t learn on their own, and has trouble showing up. It is really really ridiculous.

2)I agree with another poster that it seems the “skilled” tradespeople that I come in contact with are rarely that “skilled”. Maybe it’s more the business sense that’s missing – when was the last time a tradesman showed up on time? Kept their word? I guess it the basic things right?

Free Indeed on November 28, 2011 at 6:33 PM

I’ve been saying this for years.

The problem starts with high school counselors who push every kid towards college, whether it’s right for that kid or not. That has many kids wasting years failing at college before they give up, and downgrades a college education for the rest.

A stigma has developed against anyone who isn’t in school or who doesn’t have a degree. Well, there’s nothing shameful about earning more money than that white-collar English grad working at Starbucks.

None of my 3 kids chose college. My eldest has worked steadily since he was 17 and has developed an expertise in production plants, driving a forklift, performing quality control, etc. He makes a good wage and always has full benefits.

My daughter is working while trying to figure out what she wants to do after her dream of being a professional ballet dancer died. She’s looking at physical therapy, which requires some training at the community college level, but not a degree that will leave her thousands of dollars in debt.

My youngest son, who graduated from high school this summer, has been working full-time in a well-paying job with full benefits while processing to join the Air National Guard (the paperwork is insane!). He will go to tech school after basic and learn how to service jets, their environmental systems and generators. He will then finish his degree in something related like an electrician, fully paid for by the Air Force.

On the other hand, my daughter has a friend who is taking fashion photography while working part-time at the grocery store. Not a bright future I’m afraid.

Common Sense on November 28, 2011 at 6:41 PM

scalleywag on November 28, 2011 at 1:25 PM

He’s Mike Rowe, one of my heros, and here’s a linky:

Mike Rowe Asks Congress To Support More “Dirty Jobs”

Phil-351 on November 28, 2011 at 7:23 PM

It used to be that a person got a decent enough education in high school that a HS diploma opened many entry-level doors and bright people were able to move up the ladder without college degrees. Now that public education, for the most part, is just crap, that diploma is nearly worthless. Junior colleges and universities alike complain that freshmen are woefully unprepared for college level work and must spend spend much of that first year remediating. In many ways, the college degree is the new HS diploma because employers want evidence that applicants are capable of more than just graduating high school which apparently even the functionally illiterate can do these days.

SukieTawdry on November 28, 2011 at 9:34 PM

This is why my 21 year-old son is in gunsmithing school. He loves it and will have his choice of jobs when he is finished next summer.

tballard on November 29, 2011 at 1:28 PM

So, some companies don’t care how talented a welder you are. If they see you as a liability you still won’t get the job. And for those that think the ADA fixed this crap you would be totally wrong.

Hopefully when he completes the CNC Machinging program he can find a company that isn’t afraid to hire him.

He also has 2 years of traditional college classes. He will make some company a great worker.

Terri on November 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Indeed. Long before all that ADA nonsense came along, the Deaf were well represented in the workforce. ADA and Govt attempts to help the handicapped, along with insane lawsuits have done more to undo their collective gains in the workforce. That and the libtards in control of education also contribute to the ever growing sense of entitlements within the Deaf community.

AH_C on November 29, 2011 at 3:21 PM