LA Mayor to Occupiers: How about a permanent camp … someplace else?

posted at 11:25 am on November 22, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

The city of Los Angeles has handled the Occupy protest at City Hall with a great deal of deference, but even this might be going too far for its laid-back citizenry.  Instead of clearing the plaza as other cities have begun to do with their own protesters, Mayor Anthony Villaraigosa wants to play Let’s Make a Deal, offering farmland and office space in a $1 per year lease as a trade for leaving grounds:

Los Angeles officials have offered Occupy L.A. protesters a package of incentives that includes downtown office space and farmland in an attempt to persuade them to abandon their camp outside of City Hall, according to several demonstrators who have been in negotiations with the city.

The details of the proposal were revealed Monday during the demonstration’s nightly general assembly meeting by Jim Lafferty, an attorney with the National Lawyers Guild who has been advocating on behalf of the protest since it began seven weeks ago.

Lafferty said city officials have offered protesters a $1-a-year lease on a 10,000-square-foot office space near City Hall. He said officials also promised land elsewhere for protesters who wish to farm, as well as additional housing for the contingent of homeless people who joined the camp.

Er … okay.  This solution has at least the novelty of not having been tried before.  Presumably the office space in question would be sub-let from the city’s own space, but taxpayers would have a big gripe if that means having to secure more office space at a premium price.  As for the farmland, it would have to be located quite a distance from the downtown office space, as anyone who has seen Los Angeles would know.  If that land is anywhere close to LA, it would be very expensive for the city.  Maybe they’re thinking of Antelope Valley.  That would be … interesting.

How does a movement that favors forced redistribution along the model of the French Revolution feel about cutting a deal with the establishment?  Curiously, they’re not terribly excited — and many of them had no idea that “leaders” of the movement were negotiating at all:

The proposals were received with a mix of excitement, anger and disbelief among protesters, many of whom did not know that members of the camp were in negotiations with city officials.

“I don’t appreciate people appointing themselves to represent me, to represent us,” one woman called out during the assembly. “Who was in those meetings?”

“It’s divide and conquer,” another protester said.

On one hand, the proposal would give the Occupiers a sense of permanence in Los Angeles, a way to build up political strength through more effective organizing.  On the other hand, it would likely result in fewer and less significant public demonstrations, plus it would divide the movement between kibbutzers and city dwellers.  Even its political organizing would have a good chance of backfiring, as it will drain resources from the Democrats who already control Los Angeles entirely.  If Occupiers start fielding candidates or backing radicals in primaries against Democrats, it might push Angelenos to look to Republicans for sensible policies — and Villaraigosa’s bid to permanently subsidize the Occupiers might start that process.

In the end, though, the question for Occupiers will be this: what would Robespierre do?

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Maybe they should let them move into the local landfill. They should feel right at home there.

tims472 on November 22, 2011 at 11:30 AM

how about offering free pepper spray instead?

tomg51 on November 22, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Will they name this place New Palestine?

Demosthenes on November 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM

How much land is required to build a rape free camp? How will the zones be enforced? Moats, alligators, drawbridges, Claymores?

a capella on November 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM

The proposals were received with a mix of excitement, anger and disbelief among protesters, many of whom did not know that members of the camp were in negotiations with city officials.

“I don’t appreciate people appointing themselves to represent me, to represent us,” one woman called out during the assembly. “Who was in those meetings?”

“It’s divide and conquer,” another protester said.

Animal Farm: Chapter 5

NotCoach on November 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM

So you can get free land and/or rent just by being a pest? I’ll let my brother-in-law know about this.

John Deaux on November 22, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Munich mentality.

Socratease on November 22, 2011 at 11:34 AM

This solution has at least the novelty of not having been tried before.

Khaaaaaaaaan!

lorien1973 on November 22, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Keep an eye out for what Victor Davis Hanson has to say about this. I’m sure it will be interesting.

ted c on November 22, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Hey let’s give them a camp that’s ten feet wide and 2000 miles long right at the border. It would be a shorter trip for their drugs and illegals would stay out because they can’t stand the smell.

John Deaux on November 22, 2011 at 11:36 AM

What would Robespierre do?

Demand a seat on the county council. Print and mass distribute a new calendar starting with the year Zero. Order the secret police to keep an eye on that upstart artillery captain who thinks he knows so much. Purchase 1000 guillotines, stat.

troyriser_gopftw on November 22, 2011 at 11:36 AM

I bet if he threw in a Medical Marijuana growers license, they’d take it.

MayBee on November 22, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Danegeld.

a capella on November 22, 2011 at 11:37 AM

In the end, though, the question for Occupiers will be this: what would Robespierre Pol Pot do?

This is funny, I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there. LA Democrats get locked into a hard left turn and spin out of control! Great to watch.

cartooner on November 22, 2011 at 11:37 AM

How about a permanent camp..

AT PELICAN FREAKING BAY
!!!

JohnGalt23 on November 22, 2011 at 11:38 AM

They could always just join their buddies in a jail in Egypt.

Connie on November 22, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Hey let’s give them a camp that’s ten feet wide and 2000 miles long right at the border. It would be a shorter trip for their drugs and illegals would stay out because they can’t stand the smell.

John Deaux on November 22, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Oh no you don’t! 1,254 miles of that is in Texas and we’ve got more than enough Californians.

cartooner on November 22, 2011 at 11:40 AM

There is nothing “laid back” about Los Angeles. It’s a myth. I speak as a long-time resident.

What you’re seeing from city government is PC corruption.

rrpjr on November 22, 2011 at 11:40 AM

In the end, though, the question for Occupiers will be this: what would Robespierre do?

Guillotines, yaaay!

Red Cloud on November 22, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Remember when LA offered this same deal to Tea Partiers? Man, they should have never turned that down.

Wait. LA didn’t do that?

Oh. I see.

lorien1973 on November 22, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Will they name this place New Palestine?

Demosthenes on November 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Los Palestine

rihar on November 22, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Drop them off on a coastal island and then start chumming the waters every day.

“Feel free to swim back, you kooky kids!”

Bishop on November 22, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Is Boston the only city that has decided to let the Alinsky Kids stay indefinately?

The owners of the park asked the city to kick the astroturf out, and Boston replied “good luck with that, you are on your own”.

Elizabeth Warrens movement has a permanent home right in the middle of Boston.

shanimal on November 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM

So much for not negotiating with hostage takers.

John Deaux on November 22, 2011 at 11:49 AM

I think he should give them their own Island. San Nicolas Island comes to mind. They can pitch their tents there and squat their indefinitely. Pacific Storms will wash it clean at least once or twice a year. Furthermore, there is one additional benefit. The Navy uses it as a weapons testing area.

PrettyD_Vicious on November 22, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Most of California is already occupied.

Oil Can on November 22, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Hey let’s give them a camp that’s ten feet wide and 2000 miles long right at the border. It would be a shorter trip for their drugs and illegals would stay out because they can’t stand the smell.

John Deaux on November 22, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Entrance at one end, exit at the other?
And they build it themselves.
Best 10 feet of eminent domain ever.

tomg51 on November 22, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Munich mentality.

Socratease on November 22, 2011 at 11:34 AM

No, that would imply that these people have some power, instead of being a bunch of whiny, impotent narcissists.

eyedoc on November 22, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Will they name this place New Palestine?

Demosthenes on November 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Los Palestine

rihar on November 22, 2011 at 11:45 AM


(dos punto zero)

Demosthenes on November 22, 2011 at 11:53 AM

They could occupy the concrete lined LA river. It’s dry… most of the time.

BHO Jonestown on November 22, 2011 at 11:54 AM

PrettyD_Vicious on November 22, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Dragnet.

NotCoach on November 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Escape from L.A., part 2!
Where is Snake Plisskin?

islandman78 on November 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Remember when LA offered this same deal to Tea Partiers? Man, they should have never turned that down.

Wait. LA didn’t do that?

Oh. I see.

lorien1973

__________________________________________

Whoever is running the LA Tea Party chapter needs to start making their list of demands, too.

It’s all about fairness, right?

Oh, and it sounds to me like the OWS has been unionized, and their union leaders are now negotiating for them. Surprise!

Ripley on November 22, 2011 at 11:58 AM

It will get worse and worse for LA as well. This is shaping up to be a really wet winter in SoCal. One does not have to imagine very hard to come up with a whole series of disasters for LA, culminating in something like reverse zoot suit riot of the 1940’s, when the local gangs decide,”Hey, over there are a buncha college kids who we KNOW are unarmed, and they have a whole bunch of electronic stuff. Let’s go and have some fun!”

One imagines the police response will be slow, as usual, and it will probably end really badly for the protestors. Who will blame the police for the whole thing.

MunDane68 on November 22, 2011 at 11:58 AM

And thus began the FEMA camps.

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Our mayor of Al-Lay is a leftist union organizer from way back. He plans on installing these loons as his permanent campaign staff. And the taxpayers will pay for it! Hey, it’s not like we’re broke or anything.

Imagine Acorn in the White House, and you get the picture.

PattyJ on November 22, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Another monument to the cowardly “leadership”of Mayor Vivalaraza.

Cicero43 on November 22, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Tony Vallar, aka Anthony Villaraigosa, is rapidly turning LA into Mexico Norte.

GarandFan on November 22, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Naked, cowardly appeasement! Hey LA, (at least those of you in LA paying taxes) is this the kind of action you elected these idiot officials for? This is tantamount to rewarding insurrection! You have got to be kidding me!!!

JonR on November 22, 2011 at 12:05 PM

How about sending them to Lake Los Angeles, CA

multiuseless on November 22, 2011 at 12:05 PM

So who pays for the utilities and water for these squatters? The taxpayer?

Our local political parties pay for space that they rent and all fees and utilities associated with the space? Isn’t the mayor’s pandering a less-than-equal protection under the law?

OTOH It might be easier to monitor and round up these miscreants if the local, state, or federal government wanted to keep tabs on the malcontents. This treatment would be worse than any that had been attributed to the Bush Patriot Act. Heh!

As a public health measure, it would keep the disease localized under one roof. Heh!

Anarchists don’t want any rules, though, is the bottom line. Why appease them at all? If they are an endangerment to public health and safety, apply the existing laws to them as vagrants.

onlineanalyst on November 22, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Typical Liberals. Don’t do what’s right, and shut them down, because they are now infringing on everyone else’s rights, but sweep them under the rug to deal with later. Problem is, they will will not deal with it later because they are cowards, and from now on the Occupy LAer’s will be living off everyone else, on their own private welfare program.

Susanboo on November 22, 2011 at 12:08 PM

“I don’t appreciate people appointing themselves to represent me, to represent us,”

Said the genius claiming to represent 99% of Americans.

clearbluesky on November 22, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Forty acres and a mule…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on November 22, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Is Boston the only city that has decided to let the Alinsky Kids stay indefinately?

The owners of the park asked the city to kick the astroturf out, and Boston replied “good luck with that, you are on your own”.

Elizabeth Warrens movement has a permanent home right in the middle of Boston.

shanimal on November 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Surprisingly, Oklahoma City has not tried to evict the OWSers from the downtown park they are camped in. However, they have to pay the required permit fees, and they have to pay for port-a-potties, and keep the camp clean. There are only about 10 protesters, last I checked. I’m thinking first ice storm, those wimps are out of there.
http://newsok.com/article/3624641

It’s astounding to me that any city would allow these protestors to violate the law, not pay permit fees and follow all the other rules that every other protest group is required to follow. It’s almost as if there is a conspiracy to support these protests, no matter what, in order to change the narrative prior to the 2012 elections. Naw, I’m just paranoid.

mbs on November 22, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Jeebus.

ctmom on November 22, 2011 at 12:32 PM

office space and farms imply work- LaLaLand thinks these drones even know how to work? they’re going to work land like. like…well, the people of a certain hue who do the work americans won’t do? how can this be?

2 decades of towering violence in LA-the 80s/90s. gangs gone wild, PCP/crack induced crimes waves, perhaps over 10 serial killers in LA alone. the most violent era in the city’s history and the victims of all this devastation got….? nothing.

middle class and up brats give each other lice and STDs, rape each other, destroy businesses for a few months and they get reparations? it’s because they’re all white isn’t it? the black panthers et al tried this sort of thing in the 60’s and they got, um, put in jail or murdered each other or went underground until the 80’s washed them lily white and innocent and universities gave them honorary phds. oh and they raised up hussein obama.

LA is the most racist place on earth. white people act out and throw temper tantrums for several weeks and they get presents. centuries of slavery and oppression and black folks get…maxine waters.

mittens on November 22, 2011 at 12:35 PM

I’m thinking that the OWS folks would just love the LaBrea Tar Pits.

DrW on November 22, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Are they going to make the same offer to the Tea Party groups?

Chip on November 22, 2011 at 12:40 PM

I remember some nice spots out at NTC.

Death Valley is always nice, too.

reaganaut on November 22, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Leave to a leftist to do this rather than offer viable/ growing or even start-ups this same opportunity.. Imagine job creation..

theblacksheepwasright on November 22, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Actually now that I’m looking at this again, I’d like to start an occupy Honolulu movement.

If this is the new precedent, I’ll take some land on one of the islands, beach front preferred.

Who’s in?

reaganaut on November 22, 2011 at 12:50 PM

That free office space will come in very handy for the Obama re-election campaign.

Blindsummit on November 22, 2011 at 12:51 PM

The coward Villaraigosa and the useless, corrupt LA city council have enabled these Occuliars far too long, and this slimeball wants to use taxpayer funds to buy them off? Typical. They’ve already gone to far allowing these protesters to step all over the rights of the rest of the citizens, and not only turned a blind eye to the lawlessness of camp city, they’ve actually encouraged it in a non-content neutral fashion. No other group would be given the leeway these scum have been given. Villaraigosa and the rest of LA’s “leaders” have failed their responsibility to the public welfare – and have failed their police department as well. They only good thing about his plan is that at least the police he fails to support wouldn’t be exposed to the lice and disease festering in tent city when they’d finally have to deal with these folks. But it’s not like there’s a snowball’s chance on Olvera Street that the Occupiers would agree to shipped off to the farm.

jsingood on November 22, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Who is leading the charge to RECALL Mayor Villaraigosa?

According to Wikipedia, Mayor Villaraigosa can’t run for re-election to Mayor in 2013 due to term limits.

But the publicity associated with a successful Recall Campaign might end his political career and save California from having Villaraigosa from popping up in any other elected office.

Los Angeles citizens deserve better representation than this!

wren on November 22, 2011 at 12:55 PM

“I don’t appreciate people appointing themselves to represent me, to represent us,” one woman called out during the assembly

Yeah? How does it feel? I don’t appreciate people appointing themselves to represent me, either. Your claim of representing “the 99%” is offensive.

How does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot?

crazy_legs on November 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM

But no guillotines under any circumstances.

If we could get them to have a minute of silence for every victim of Communism, we’d never hear from them again.

flataffect on November 22, 2011 at 1:00 PM

That free office space will come in very handy for the Obama re-election campaign.

Blindsummit on November 22, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Are we looking at the beginnings of yet another money laundering scheme by the Socialists in the National Democratic Party?

The usual suspects turn out in the streets to support the Democrat’s Marxist’s agenda, and are now being rewarded for their efforts with largess for as yet unknown sources.

Anyone want to guess as to whom will ultimately foot the bill for this?

Chip on November 22, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Office space and farmland. One more medical marijuana dispensary in L.A. coming up. We are the 420%!

infidel4life on November 22, 2011 at 1:07 PM

But no guillotines under any circumstances.

If we could get them to have a minute of silence for every victim of Communism, we’d never hear from them again.

flataffect on November 22, 2011 at 1:00 PM

But they’re not Communists (or Fascists or Marxists or Maoists or Statists) – just ask them.

THEY’RE SOMETHING BRAND NEW!

They’ve put the utter failure of Collectivism in the past and they’ve got a new way of doing it – it’ll work this time with them in charge because they’re ideas are Different ………. Somehow.

Chip on November 22, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Meanwhile it’s pothole city here in the San Fernando Valley.

I just passed one on Balboa that nearly took my wheel off.

Some of these streets have been in need of repaving since I moved here 10 years ago.

But hey …let’s makes sure the deadbeats have a place to set up camp.

The Ugly American on November 22, 2011 at 1:30 PM

The Ugly American on November 22, 2011 at 1:30 PM

Go north to Santa Clarita! It’s only about 15 years behind the SFV in the societal decay process.

infidel4life on November 22, 2011 at 1:39 PM

But they’re not Communists (or Fascists or Marxists or Maoists or Statists) – just ask them.

THEY’RE SOMETHING BRAND NEW!

They’ve put the utter failure of Collectivism in the past and they’ve got a new way of doing it – it’ll work this time with them in charge because they’re ideas are Different ………. Somehow.

Chip on November 22, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Clearly the Occupy Oakland camp didn’t get the memo.

THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND: “We’re back and We’re Proud!” in Occupy Oakland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6r1zMJYkj8

It is the 1960’s all over again in Oakland. As if it wasn’t bad enough the first time.

Oakland Occupiers are self-proclaimed Socialists and they are proud of it.

Time to bring back the term “useful idiots.”

wren on November 22, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Los Angeles officials have offered Occupy L.A. protesters a package of incentives that includes downtown office space and farmland in an attempt…..

“Los Angeles” and “farmland” in the same sentence…..far out.

olesparkie on November 22, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Wait until the occupiers return the favor and start filing lawsuits against the city for everything that happens in that office building.

Can o’ worms…

Fallon on November 22, 2011 at 1:58 PM

So, let’s see…

how to get 10,000 square feet of office space in Los Angeles for the annual lease amount of one-dollar, AND, receive a large parcel of land capable of sustaining a farming operation, free of charge…

let’s see…how to do this…

Aha! Show up at City Hall with signs and screaming and bodily functions run amok and the Mayor will be pleased as punch to fulfill your office-space and farm-land wishes.

Oh-kaaay, then.

Lourdes on November 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Los Angeles officials have offered Occupy L.A. protesters a package of incentives that includes downtown office space and farmland in an attempt…..

“Los Angeles” and “farmland” in the same sentence…..far out.

olesparkie on November 22, 2011 at 1:57 PM

I’m sure the L.A. Officials are busy displacing paying tenants and private property owners to get that “available farmland” at the ready for the Occupiers.

Lourdes on November 22, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Sounds like he’s trying to create a Bonus Army camp. Where’s Hoover and MacArthur with some cavalry when you need them?

jnelchef on November 22, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Office space and farmland is offered (taxpayers again taken to finance this largesse offered by Democrat Villaraigosa)…

thinking…thinking…

Just WHO is going to do anything IN that office space and ON that farmland? I’m thinking the Occupiers will soon be demanding “help”, someone to actually accomplish anything that involves work with those resources.

Lourdes on November 22, 2011 at 2:12 PM

It will get worse and worse for LA as well.

January 2012, California is set to release an array of convicts from their state prisons due to “overcrowding”.

So it looks like California is, indeed, going from very bad to very, very bad and right away.

Lourdes on November 22, 2011 at 2:18 PM

January 2012, California is set to release an array of convicts from their state prisons due to “overcrowding”.

Maybe we should provide them all with a map to tent city when they’re released. If LA is going to allow people to camp there, they can’t really pick and choose who does the camping.

jsingood on November 22, 2011 at 2:29 PM

How about giving them an empty house in Blood or Crip territory?

As to the farmland, there is a nice patch of ground at the new, eco-friendly Al Gore High School.

TugboatPhil on November 22, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Since the OWS thingy started and I found out how much money they were raking in, I’ve wondered exactly whose name is on the bank account. Oh, sure, you could set it up in the name of a legal entity, but a PERSON still has to be named as having access to it. I have yet to see this question answered for the New York crowd.

Now, the same situation in LA. Except this time, it’s prime real estate near city hall, and 10,000 square feet of it. Then some nice farmland on top of it.

This real estate will get leased out, at market rates, by the person “speaking” for the disgruntled lady. You could suggest there will be terms in the original dollar-a-year lease that forbids this, but all the lessee has to do is unleash the crowds on city hall yet again. Handing the property out in the first place was the tough part. Changing the terms without costing the public any more than it already has will be a breeze.

Oh, and now that they’ve won this concession, they will never leave city hall. Imagine what else a leftist mayor could throw at them. Not like he’s EVER gonna try to throw them out after all, and everyone there knows it.

runawayyyy on November 22, 2011 at 3:07 PM

How about a permanent camp … someplace else?

How about Alcatraz???

The island would provide for separation of OWS (which could be renamed OA) from the general population, which would protect us from the filth, disease, pestilence, and criminal activity.

landlines on November 22, 2011 at 4:43 PM

In the end, though, the question for Occupiers will be this: what would Robespierre do?

Guillotines, yaaay!

Red Cloud on November 22, 2011 at 11:41 AM

I’d advise them though to read till the end of the story.

Tzetzes on November 22, 2011 at 5:19 PM