“Proof” that OWS is winning?
posted at 8:30 am on November 19, 2011 by Jazz Shaw
When it wasn’t getting pimped out on Twitter, there were enticing hints coming from the wapo. There was a “genuine scoop” coming regarding the Occupy Wall Street movement, to be delivered by one Chris Hayes on his MSNBC show, Up with Chris this morning. Given his unwavering support for the occupiers, I assumed it had to be good news for the rebellion in their fight against the Evil Empire of Wall Street’s storm troopers. In fact, after teasing it several times, Hayes described it as, “My Up exclusive on a secret plan to attack Occupy Wall Street!”
I was giddy with anticipation.
But a good scoop never holds for too long, and the Huffpo spilled the beans before the show came on the air.
WASHINGTON — A lobbying firm has prepared a memo offering advice to its Wall Street clients to help them manage any political fallout from Occupy Wall Street, warning that Republicans may turn on big banks, at least in public, altering the political ground for years to come. It is one of the first clear signs that the movement may be starting to trouble the moneyed elite.
The memo, first reported by MSNBC’s Chris Hayes, host of the show “Up with Chris Hayes,” was written by the firm Clark, Lytle, Geduldig, Cranford and addressed to one of its Wall Street clients. It runs four pages long and is set to be sent on Thanksgiving.
They unleashed the first two paragraphs of the memo. They are included here, but will probably raise more questions about the handling and timing of this “scoop” than the content itself.
Leading Democratic party strategists have begun to openly discuss the benefits of embracing the growing and increasingly organized Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement to prevent Republican gains in Congress and the White House next year. We have seen this process of adopting extreme positions and movements to increase base voter turnout, including in the 2005-2006 immigration debate. This would mean more than just short-term discomfort for Wall Street firms. If vilifying the leading companies of this sector is allowed to become an unchallenged centerpiece of a coordinated Democratic campaign, it has the potential to have very long-lasting political, policy and financial impacts on the companies in the center of the bullseye.
It shouldn’t be surprising that the Democratic party or even President Obama’s re-election team would campaign against Wall Street in this cycle. However the bigger concern should be that Republicans will no longer defend Wall Street companies — and might start running against them too.
I’m not sure what sort of blockbuster announcement I was expecting, but this certainly wasn’t it. It might have been more spectacular if this had been a missive from an actual Wall Street firm, bank, etc. saying something to the effect of, “Oh no! These protesters have exposed all of our evil plans and we’re going to be destroyed!” Even more to the point, if it had been an e-mail from some member(s) of Congress indicating collusion against the protesters – or anything similar to that – this would absolutely be some breaking news.
But given that it came from a long established, K-street lobby shop, the only thing being revealed here is the remarkable, groundbreaking news that successful lobbyists tend to be aggressive, proactive marketers of their services. The memo is in the finest tradition of Always Be Closing. In the world of lobbyists, the only thing better than finding a customer with a genuine crisis to be solved is inventing a crisis for them to worry about, thus requiring your expensive services. This one was targeted for The American Bankers Association. It proposed doing opposition research on OWS movement leaders and pushing a media campaign to portray them in a negative light, while attacking Democrats who have already lent their support to the protesters.
Also, the association in question responded to MSNBC saying they had received the memo, it was unsolicited and they chose not to act on it.
This is news?
I can pretty much imagine the pitch already. “Say… those protesters are certainly grabbing a lot of headlines, aren’t they? You know, some of the Republicans might start turning against you if this keeps up and things could go badly for you in the next round of regulatory negotiations. Seems like you could use somebody to go calm them down and keep them on your side…”
Brilliant, really. But hardly a sign of some sea change in either the private sector or on The Hill.
The final question I had, though, was more related to the timing of this “scoop” being released. What if it had been something significant, rather than just a K-Street marketing pitch? Hayes was flogging this on Twitter as early as Friday morning, so how long had he had the memo in his possession? 24 hours before that? 48? News coverage doesn’t simply inform the public in a situation like this… it can also affect conditions on the ground. What if this news carried some real significance which might have altered peoples views on it? (Both the protesters and the police.)
Might getting some news out early have stopped some of the attacks on police in New York? Could it have avoided the latest rape in St. Louis? Wouldn’t you want to get that news right out to the public as soon as possible given the fast moving nature of these protests? Why would you sit on it for several days if you’d already confirmed that it was authentic?
Or was it less news than something to gin up some buzz to attract ratings for a relatively new show? Either way, this breaking story was less rock star and more air guitar.
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Getting free Zombie donuts and Chicago Style Deep Dish Pizza in Portland while you’re just standing around insulting police isn’t exactly losing to these folks either.
hawkdriver on November 19, 2011 at 8:34 AM
That “Up With Chris” show is positively a liberal blue-print for moonbats. Once you start watching on a Saturday morning it’s really hard to turn away.
Anita Dunn was on this morning, and from her little segment I think Scott Brown must be running away in that Massachusetts Senate race.
Chris thinks the OWS and Tea Party will “join forces in “Occupy Congress”" which of course means their approval numbers must be tanking.
Marcus on November 19, 2011 at 8:39 AM
Sounds like a racket.
Anybody up for seeing if any of these lobbying firms are buying food for OWS?
Count to 10 on November 19, 2011 at 8:42 AM
I watched part of Chris Hayes show this morning on MSNBC. (Yes, I believe in listening to what the opposition has to say. I don’t like to be blindsided.)
They were discussing the town hall in TN and think there is some common ground. As you all stated, there really isn’t. There are some things we all are frustrated about–the bailouts, the political class, and crony capitalism.
But on the latter, the Left wants the private sector to butt out so they can further their progressive agenda. The right wants the cronyism to stop so the government isn’t picking winners and losers and basically wants the government to butt out of the private sector.
The left thinks the solution to dumping lobbyists is a constitutional amendment. (HaH!) The right KNOWS the solution is for government to get its tentacles out of every segment of the economy. If D.C. isn’t going to overtax or overregulate you, you don’t have all that much to lobby about.
Neither side’s solution is acceptable to the other. So obviously the common ground isn’t.
But be careful. When the establishment starts caving, and they may be on their way, it will be a disaster. The Left believes they are changing the narrative OFF deficit reduction and on to income inequality. PAY ATTENTION. Don’t just talk among yourselves and mock the notion, get out there and comment and fight it. The left has about a year to totally change the conversation unless we’re proactive and stop them.
Or actually, get out there and mock them by commenting on any news story with that as the subject.
Which reminds me. The GOOD thing I heard this am was from Anita Dunn. She said the banks are out in force funding Scott Brown because they don’t want Elizabeth Warren anywhere near D.C. Their PR firms are working hard to defeat her and other Democrats. But even the banks are worried that the Right will hop on the income inequality bandwagon and turn against Wall Street.
Stay strong. Because I think Newt is susceptible to caving on income inequality. I’d like to be assured it wouldn’t happen.
MaggiePoo on November 19, 2011 at 8:44 AM
So they replaced Saturday Morning Cartoons with this assclown Chris Hayes?
Maybe they should re-title the show from “Up With Chris Hayes” to “Up Yours, Chris!”
pilamaye on November 19, 2011 at 8:48 AM
Losers.
Red Cloud on November 19, 2011 at 8:52 AM
That OWS crowd is going to go over well with the rest of the 99%with stories like this from Breitbart,
http://www.punditpress.com/2011/11/ows-if-cop-tries-to-arrest-you-kill-him.html
txmomof6 on November 19, 2011 at 9:05 AM
I forgot what the scoop was by the time I got the end of the post.
True story.
forest on November 19, 2011 at 9:06 AM
The 99% protestors are actually the 1% who think everything is about them. There is no meaning other than self-importance and acting out on the therapy they missed as children.
They are a 100% waste of time and resources.
tomas on November 19, 2011 at 9:08 AM
Why don’t we just let the Dems and OWS just have whatever they want and then run for office using the disaster they create against them.What!It makes about as much sense as this plan.
jeanie on November 19, 2011 at 9:09 AM
I think the blockbuster announcement may have been this: A new talking doll has been created, especially for OWSer parents to buy their OWSer kids.The OWSers are forcing big toy companies to comply to their demands! See here.
bloggless on November 19, 2011 at 9:10 AM
The 0.99% aka the Alinsky Kids, this movement was created and planned in a conference room in Chicago at Organizing for America.
This is what AstroTurf looks like.
shanimal on November 19, 2011 at 9:13 AM
Right … and the media and unions are doing whatever they can to make it look like a large and legitimate movement.
It will fail because it’s all smoke and mirrors.
darwin on November 19, 2011 at 9:13 AM
The liberal media is going ALL IN on a failed movement sponsored by free-loaders, anarchists, nazis, communists, and idiots.
By comparison, Wall Street types seem appealing.
stevezilla on November 19, 2011 at 9:14 AM
do you really have to listen to the opposition to know what they’re saying or going to say?
elifino on November 19, 2011 at 9:16 AM
They really do want someone to be killed by a person in authority.
tomas on November 19, 2011 at 9:16 AM
OWS is just the sideshow. Whatever regulations, whatever “sea-change” the Democrats are going to propose they would’ve proposed anyway. That is what is so amusing about all of this. And as for the GOP not defending Wall Street? They haven’t been doing much to defend Wall Street or any other conservative principles anyway. We got TARP before OWS. Boehner played golf with Obama before OWS. We got the Super committee before OWS. The Debt ceiling was raised to historical levels before OWS.
OWS hurt the people in their vicinity. They destroy the economy on the streets they pitch their tents and they only are able to do that because the Democrat mayors let them. So really.. OWS isn’t even able to destroy the economy where they pitch their tents if it were not for the Democrat Mayors who let them. So.. what is OWS? A sideshow. A distraction. A circus that the Democrats can point to and support.. as an excuse to do what they want to do and are going to do anyway…
Like I said before. This Van Jones guy says recently that OWS is going to transform into a political organization. That “we haven’t seen anything yet!”
What a joke! They already have a political organization. It’s called the Democrat party! What would OWS do differently than the current crops of Democrats already have done and want to do. I’ll tell you the only difference.. the clothes they wear and their hygiene habits. That’s about it.
JellyToast on November 19, 2011 at 9:23 AM
Make no mistake, the organizers of this are not idiots by any means. The majority of the people on the streets are but not the backers.
darwin-t on November 19, 2011 at 9:23 AM
The first Republican that offers support for the Owsers is the first Republican I will work against getting reelected.
bloggless on November 19, 2011 at 9:25 AM
It’s a safe bet that the small percentage of our left-wing friends who have 401Ks don’t comprehend the fact that if they were successful in getting “the rich” punished, the rich would somehow still be rich while the little guys’ collective ROIs would suddenly not seem as fruitful.
perroviejo on November 19, 2011 at 9:26 AM
These people are over thinking this mess simply because it has been allowed to go on for so long. Thank you, Mayor Bloomberg.
Cindy Munford on November 19, 2011 at 9:29 AM
The rich took a beating over the last few years. There are repo companies sprouting up and having a feeding frenzy with all of the yachts and large homes that were lost in this recession. How is this “good ” thing working out for the 99%?
The most important thing to understand is that 99% of those OWSers will still be in their sad states 20 years from now no matter what happens.
PS. Who takes care of and builds those yachts and mansions? It is not the 1% that is for sure. The simplistic thinking of the left is just mind boggling.
CW on November 19, 2011 at 9:32 AM
They won’t offer support so much as dilute and dissemble their opposition. They will not stand up for the capitalists. They will fall silent in the defense of the free market. The republicans are a dying party, decadently and self-loathingly enthralled to liberal narratives about themselves, and increasingly dead to me.
rrpjr on November 19, 2011 at 9:35 AM
Is this the guy who looks like madow? Have you ever seen them on the air at the same time? I think not! s/
Bambi on November 19, 2011 at 9:37 AM
Oh come on. Chris Haynes is really Rachael Maddow. Right?
Hummer53 on November 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM
Official list of OWS Demands
Demands From Obamaville
Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.
Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.
Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.
Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.
Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.
Create a single-payer, universal health care system.
Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
Allow workers to elect their supervisors.
Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.
Ban the private ownership of land.
Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
Reduce the age of majority to 16.
Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
Release all political prisoners immediately.
Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Abolish the debt limit.
Ban private gun ownership.
Strengthen the separation of church and state.
Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
End the ‘War on Drugs’.
Del Dolemonte on November 19, 2011 at 9:52 AM
I think the left has become so dispirited that they had to devise something to boost morale for the President’s base and being the party of bobble headed loons getting the dregs of society to congregate probably just seemed natural.
Speakup on November 19, 2011 at 9:56 AM
OWS is the big scary monster Obama created. It’s a puppet that is meant to be used to scare, intimidate and deflect. It’s purpose is to prove and push the Democrat agenda! So when the Democrats continue to expand their powers and tear down more of America.. they can point to the puppet monster of OWS as their impetus! And all of America is suppose to cringe with fear every time the OWS monster raises its head on some street or in some park. We’re suppose to pray with our kids at night that the evil OWS puppet monster doesn’t come to our town! The evil puppet monster might get us! If it comes to our town it will be really really bad and scary! So we need to keep the OWS monster away by doing whatever the Democrats want us to do! Expand government! Raises our taxes! Give up our freedoms! Just obey and don’t ask any questions and maybe.. just maybe the evil bad scary OWS monster won’t jump out of our closets or craw out from under our beds!
But every puppet has it’s strings and every one of these strings leads back to the Democrat party somewhere. Whether it’s Mayors, City Councils or Obama.
So OWS of itself is absolutely nothing. It’s silly to even suggest OWS can win anything. They have no power of themselves at all. They could not even feed themselves if it were not for Democrats who gave them free food.
JellyToast on November 19, 2011 at 9:56 AM
Okay I refuse to watch this idiot so a quick question. I noticed that a commenter at HuffPo said Sherrod “I am dumber than a box of rocks” Brown (D-Ohio) was mentioned in the memo. Anyone know anything about that? He really really needs to go.
Deanna on November 19, 2011 at 10:01 AM
Wow.
They’re not calling for the absolute abolition of Christianity, YET.
listens2glenn on November 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM
Jazz, I am not going to watch or pay attention to Chris Hayes. I don’t know why you find Hayes the least bit interesting? Hayes is Fluffy. Hey let’s rename his show, Up With Fluffy.
Dr Evil on November 19, 2011 at 10:14 AM
Hayes = Maddow ??
I dunno. But I do think he could be Baghdad Bob’s nephew or something. They’re certainly in the same family business.
dissent555 on November 19, 2011 at 10:18 AM
Who is Chris Hayes?
Seriously… Not even on my radar screen…
Khun Joe on November 19, 2011 at 10:22 AM
Republicans aren’t now, if they ever were, Wall Street fat cats. That category as been filled by liberals since the days of Wilson.
erp on November 19, 2011 at 10:31 AM
In other news, the sun came up this morning and is projected to go down tonight.
BKeyser on November 19, 2011 at 10:33 AM
Pluto calling Chris Matthews. Chris, are you there. Come in, Chris.
petefrt on November 19, 2011 at 10:35 AM
OWS is “winning”?
I’d hate to see what “losing” would have looked like.
GarandFan on November 19, 2011 at 10:38 AM
Blues/Greens now become Reds/Blacks… its all the same… Obama will do a Nika riot on them: first agree to demands and then betray. Its a sure way to win popularity while getting rid of those who disagree with you, which is a lovely Leftist spin of getting rid of the foot soldiers before they are useful so that they become useful to you by stopping them. Mostly it will be Nika with a bit of fascisti/national socialism thrown in for good measure.
ajacksonian on November 19, 2011 at 10:44 AM
Pluto calling Chris
MatthewsHayes.Ugh.
petefrt on November 19, 2011 at 10:51 AM
I agree, and good history, a lesson in the eternal truths of human political behavior, especially Leftist behavior.
rrpjr on November 19, 2011 at 10:57 AM
They ARE winning. In the Charlie Sheen sense of the word.
theCork on November 19, 2011 at 11:01 AM
Up with Chris! Up Twinkles!
Thank you for the reminder. Perhaps Chris could read it on his next show, doing the echo chant transmitted via Olbermann.
Deciding what needs to be bolded is an impossible task though.
Buy Danish on November 19, 2011 at 11:13 AM
Don’t think so. Haynes is a ditsy Vassar girl, and Maddow is a former steelworker from Allentown.
coldwarrior on November 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM
whaddya mean “increasingly organized OWS movement”????
see how they just stealthily worked in this outright falsehood as if it were obvious.
Maybe they mean “increasingly dominated by labor union rabblerousers..”
Always Right on November 19, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Those Wall Street bastar** oppressing the people with those memos. It’s even multiple pages too!!
How exactly do you “prepare” a memo? I’ve heard of writing a memo, typing a memo, sending a memo but not “preparing” a memo.
How pathetic can you get?
SteveMG on November 19, 2011 at 11:56 AM
It’s called the “Chomsky twostep.” You don’t just tell the Big Lie, you pivot off it as an established fact. That’s how it becomes the Big Lie. Chomsky perfected this in his lectures. I listened to them as a kid ad nauseum. He’d say things like, “well, as we all know, [insert horrible lie about America] is common knowledge,” then move on to his next lie. Slowly you build an edifice of unquestioned lies based on an initial unquestioned false premise.
rrpjr on November 19, 2011 at 12:08 PM
Well astro turf really is only good for on thing :) The purpose of putting the movement down would be to convince the Independents, see I’m not with the socialist revolutionary fringe. But his old Green Jobs Czar Van Jones who was heralding our own Arab Spring at the beginning of the squatting, will belie that “phony posture”. Is Obama a Socialist Democrat Fabian…In the words of Joe Biden, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.
Dr Evil on November 19, 2011 at 12:37 PM
The Left continues to repeat the same play, just with different guises.
If Obama can get Van Jones, Bill Ayers and a few other people like Trumka roped into OWS, then he can at first support the movement(which he has done) and then turn on it when it turns nasty. This gets Obama credit for ‘putting down’ the ‘movement’, and it also gets rid of potential rivals… and if he can do that while the ‘movement’ has paralyzed a few cities, then all the better for his lovely ‘transformation’ as federal agencies are deployed to ‘help’ late in the year.
Back in the day the rhetorical support early on didn’t matter as much as the crack-down later. In the modern age, even though we are in Short Attention Span Theater, the memories actually are sticking around a bit longer. Especially after putting his puss in front of the cameras so often. Instead of the 6-8 months of unrest of Russia between the Whites and the Reds, or the 12-18 months of post-WWI Germany having to deal with multiple socialist/communist movements and re-establish the SPD, the modern era cuts down those time sequences by a factor of 10: unrest for 2 months is tops and it may even be less than that as intervening uprisings have been cycling through at a faster rate post-Cold War.
The best bet is to have the rebellion start and then, in about 5 days, bring in the Belisarius equivalent. Theodora got Justinian to do that and the very fast timing (with the pay-offs to one faction) meant very fast put-down. Obama has no Belisarius, no real good means to bribe anyone and generally has few clues about the effectiveness of a ‘whiff of grapeshot’ (to use another figure who knew what to do with a mob). That would then spiral out of control until some Blue State Governor calls out the NG. Do that one day too late and the entire thing blows up eating its own and those seeking to make hay from it.
I suggest stocking up on guns, ammo, food and water, plus any meds you need.
Then help to get things going again and hold the fools who started this to account… if they are still alive, that is.
Justinian got lucky, and the communists/fascisti/national socialists learned how to ‘engineer’ events at the tactical level. This latest batch is clueless on that, only having the Van Jones and Ayers types around. For their intelligence, they aren’t all that smart: they don’t realize what happens to their sort if they win or lose. They sure do make handy martyrs/targets once the SHTF though.
ajacksonian on November 19, 2011 at 4:04 PM
When a mental case is left alone to stew in their own juices… walk around in their own mind without adult supervision… they become worse not better.
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Same thing here… the longer OWS is allowed to congregate in self-supervised flea-camps and mobs… the deeper the anti-social tendencies will become.
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RalphyBoy on November 19, 2011 at 5:59 PM