Apocalypse soon: Slim but growing chance that Congress might have to raise debt ceiling again … before next year’s election

posted at 9:05 pm on November 18, 2011 by Allahpundit

This was, of course, The One’s nightmare scenario, a prospect so politically horrific that he refused to agree to a short-term debt-ceiling deal this past summer even while he was busy warning people of an economic catastrophe if no deal got done. He would have rather hit the ceiling and taken his chances with blaming the GOP for the aftermath than make a deal averting disaster but forcing a new round of negotiations before the election.

The bad news for Obama: The killer asteroid’s been spotted in the night sky. The good news: The only way it can make it to Earth is through circumstances that will have already finished off O’s re-election bid by the time it gets here.

Let’s do the math: If the super committee agrees to $1.2 trillion in deficit savings, the debt limit would rise by $2.1 trillion since the Budget Control Act passed in August; if it agrees to $1.5 trillion in deficit savings, the limit would rise by $2.4 trillion. The $300 billion difference is significant – amounting to enough funds for the Treasury Department to pay America’s bills for roughly a month or two.

While economists in August expected the minimum debt-ceiling increase to be sufficient through 2012, analysts now caution that the situation has changed. The European sovereign debt crisis has escalated and its outcome is far from clear. In the United States, the San Francisco Federal Reserve this week put the odds of a double-dip recession in the first half of 2012 at 50-50.

Unlike the financial and economic crises of 2008, which brought Democrats and Republicans together momentarily, a debt-limit fight in a campaign year would be a “very, very messy thing,” said Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a nonpartisan organization dedicated to fiscal responsibility.

In other words, if the economy tanks again next year, tax revenue will dry up and the feds will be forced to borrow more than they projected, thus accelerating the debt to a pace that’ll force another raising o’ the ceiling before November 2012. But of course, if the economy tanks again next year, Obama’s campaign will be all but finished regardless of what happens with the debt. I wonder what negotiations would look like in that situation, with O’s defeat seemingly a fait accompli. The GOP would have an incentive to drive a hard bargain on the assumption that they’d soon be re-negotiating with a Republican president, but they’d also be paranoid that if they drive too hard a bargain and we hit the ceiling, Obama might be able to turn public anger against them and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. (The GOP nominee would be in the same bind, of course. Imagine the panic inside Team Romney over having to stake out a clear position on that.) Precisely because they’d expect to win big in November, I think the GOP would be amenable to a short-term deal raising the ceiling for a few months in return for token cuts or, if need be, for no cuts at all. Obama would counter by doubling or tripling down on “tax the rich” proposals in order to try to harness the populist wind before the election, but if the GOP calls his bluff by offering a clean debt-ceiling hike, I don’t know what he’d do. That would destroy his strategy of trying to blame them for obstructionism; even if he came up with a clever counter-proposal, Boehner could simply dismiss it and play the Mr. Agreeable role by insisting on a clean hike, secure in the knowledge that O would soon be out of office and Republicans could build a deficit reduction deal to their liking.

Of course, none of this matters if the Super Committee reaches a larger-than-expected deal for $1.5 trillion in savings … which pretty much nobody expects will happen. The latest GOP offer is for a scaled-down package of $643 billion in (some) new revenue and (mostly) spending cuts with no major changes to either the tax code or entitlement programs. The Democratic response: “Do we look stupid?” Since they’re not being asked to relent on the lapsing of the Bush tax cuts, the only things they’d be giving up by agreeing to a deal this modest are (a) bragging rights with their base, which will probably throw a tantrum if they don’t insist on a one-to-one mix of cuts and new revenue, and (b) the all-important talking point of blaming those darned wingnuts when the Committee implodes, despite the fact that the GOP’s made two concrete offers now and Jeb Hensarling says they’d be willing to listen to more even if they involve higher revenues.

There’ll be more Super Committee news this weekend, but just so that you’re in the right mindset about what a travesty this whole process is, go look at this graph from Veronique de Rugy about how much the vaunted “automatic cuts” would take out of the federal budget if they went into effect. Our political class is a disgrace.

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First!

OMG,

Obama Must Go!

herm2416 on November 18, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Dear Lord that picture gives me the creeps.

The more and more this “super committee” screws up – the more and more I think Rick Perry has the right idea to uproot Washington. It can’t be any worse than this mess.

gophergirl on November 18, 2011 at 9:08 PM

The GOP will betray you!

sharrukin on November 18, 2011 at 9:10 PM

Dear Lord that picture gives me the creeps.

The more and more this “super committee” screws up – the more and more I think Rick Perry has the right idea to uproot Washington. It can’t be any worse than this mess.

gophergirl on November 18, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Amen.

If anyone saw him on Cavuto today, I’d like to hear your thoughts!

herm2416 on November 18, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Just remember who voted against this travesty when given the chance.

JohnGalt23 on November 18, 2011 at 9:11 PM

The Eurozone implodes, the middle east explodes, and Obama will have no choice but to do something he doesn’t want to have to do, but the street protests will make it impossible to hold free, fair, open, honest elections, and he simply will be forced to continue as President until such time as he can stabilize the world economy. The elections will just have to wait.

Skandia Recluse on November 18, 2011 at 9:13 PM

The stories blaming the Republicans and the nominee personally, are already written and sitting in the draft folder with nothing but one click to post.

tjexcite on November 18, 2011 at 9:13 PM

The Tea Party is Riding Shotgun!!
(sarc)
——-

Apocalypse Now Redux – The Ride of the Valkyries
**************************************************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz58ivl6RCY

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:14 PM

The guy from the wsj (sorry, senior moment on his name) thinks the sequester would be the best thing.

it would literally cut the spending.

I’m beginning to think maybe that’s true. We have a corrupt set of pols who think only about themselves and their wallets…so screw them

countries around the world (iceland, ireland, greece, germany) have pretty much concluded the same.

too many Davos conferences have given our pols and their hangers-on an inflated view of their abilities.

r keller on November 18, 2011 at 9:15 PM

that would be Steve Moore

r keller on November 18, 2011 at 9:15 PM

The bad news for Obama: The killer asteroid’s been spotted in the night sky.
==============

Kiss Hopey’s bow on the USSDNC Titanic goodbye,after said asteriod
sheers it off!
(sarc)

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:16 PM

WE ARE SO HOSED.

This Congressional Politburo (Super Committee) is jacking around about $1.5 trillion in “cuts” OVER 10 FREAKING YEARS. That’s $150 billion a year when they are OVER SPENDING $1.5 trillion a YEAR.

And they probably aren’t even cuts.

THROW-THEM-ALL-OUT

ALL

ALL

ALL

PappyD61 on November 18, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Well, it is welcome news that the debt ceiling is now a potent political weapon.

Pablo Honey on November 18, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Our political class is a disgrace.

I couldn’t agree more, now can we please get back to bashing Herman Cain.

I heard that while on the campaign trail he burped and didn’t say excuse me, he said pardon me instead and it’s going viral.

kringeesmom on November 18, 2011 at 9:17 PM

The bad news for Obama: The killer asteroid’s been spotted in the night sky. The good news: The only way it can make it to Earth is through circumstances that will have already finished off O’s re-election bid by the time it gets here.

Careful, Allah. That sounded distinctly optimistic.

cynccook on November 18, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Barack Hussein Obama: The Man of a Thousand Excuses.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 18, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Is this “breaking news” or it all the”perfunctory, wholly expected news” that’s fit to print?

I’ll go out on a limb and say the latter.

rickyricardo on November 18, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Political Blast from da Past!
==============================

Boehners Tweet
==================

It’s become sadly evident to me that the White House and Senate Democrats are just not serious yet about enacting real spending cuts
8:25 AM Apr 5th via TweetDeck

johnboehner
John Boehner

http://twitter.com/johnboehner/status/55289849791524864#

canopfor on April 14, 2011 at 8:41 AM

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Barack Hussein Obama: The Man of a Thousand Excuses.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 18, 2011 at 9:22 PM

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo:…Which he continually keeps kicking the can
down the road!

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:24 PM

Oh,dear! Too much math! Plus, I just got my nails done. BTW, Uban Infidel has received a threat from the OWSer trash.

bloggless on November 18, 2011 at 9:24 PM

Load the Photon torpedoes.
Scotty, I need more power!!!
Sulu, Fire at that beast on the HotAir view screen!

Electrongod on November 18, 2011 at 9:26 PM

The Eurozone implodes

Skandia Recluse on November 18, 2011 at 9:13 PM

It’s great the way I do genius maneuvers like accept 2-year (Jan 2012-Dec 2013) jobs in regions of the world with imminent economic implosions.

RINO in Name Only on November 18, 2011 at 9:26 PM

The GOP will betray you!

sharrukin on November 18, 2011 at 9:10 PM

Just see how virtue repays you
You turn and someone betrays you
Betray them first
And the game’s reversed!

PercyB on November 18, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Don’t raise the debt limit.

No matter WHO IS PRESIDENT.

Spend within your means.

Stop treating our children and grand-children as ATMs.

ajacksonian on November 18, 2011 at 9:29 PM

I’m not worried. Mitch McConnell will lead us through the wilderness.

SouthernGent on November 18, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Ya know,if the MSM has to cover this,it won’t exist on any US media outlets…

why????,

cause they’ll be stuck on F..$*()_+_O)(*&^%$%^&*()_(*&^%^&*())(*&^
…ing covering the latest Republican Nominee Gaffes!!!!!!!!!!
(sarc)

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:31 PM

The GOP will betray you!

sharrukin on November 18, 2011 at 9:10 PM

sharrukin:Lol:)

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Political Blast from da Past!
==============================

Boehners Tweet
==================

It’s become sadly evident to me that the White House and Senate Democrats are just not serious yet about enacting real spending cuts
8:25 AM Apr 5th via TweetDeck

johnboehner
John Boehner

http://twitter.com/johnboehner/status/55289849791524864#

canopfor on April 14, 2011 at 8:41 AM

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Is Boehner a complete incompetent idiot or…….

…….. is this all just a GOP Game that they will be “FORCED TO RAISE REVENUES, BECAUSE IF WE DIDN’T THE DEMOCRATS would have cut $500 billion from Defense”

I’m leaning to it’s just a GOOD COP / BAD COP game that the GOP leadership is playing.

THROW THEM ALL OUT!!!!

All of them….every single one of them.

PappyD61 on November 18, 2011 at 9:34 PM

I’m not worried. Mitch McConnell will lead us through the wilderness.

SouthernGent on November 18, 2011 at 9:29 PM

You forgot the sarc tags–I hope.

predator on November 18, 2011 at 9:34 PM

I hate to have to correct National Journal, but I must. The $2.1 trillion in debt-ceiling increase will happen regardless of what the SuperDuperÜberCommittee does. The additional $0.3 trillion would have kicked in if one of two things happened:

- The SuperDuperÜberCommittee finds $1.5 trillion of “savings” (with a smaller amount happening if the Committee finds between $1.2 trillion and $1.5 trillion, equalling the difference between $1.2 trillion and whatever they find).
- If Congress passed a “Balanced Budget Amendment” (all it matters is that it titled “Joint resolution proposing a balanced budget
amendment to the Constitution of the United States”).

Steve Eggleston on November 18, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Apocalypse Now Redux – The Ride of the Valkyries
**************************************************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz58ivl6RCY

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Blocked in this country.

predator on November 18, 2011 at 9:36 PM

I thought he had a free raise the debt ceiling card! I like the timing! Let’s make sure we nominate someone electable. Bullwinkle comes to mind.

Cindy Munford on November 18, 2011 at 9:37 PM

Is Boehner a complete incompetent idiot or…….

THROW THEM ALL OUT!!!!

All of them….every single one of them.

PappyD61 on November 18, 2011 at 9:34 PM

PappyD61:

When the Libs had both Houses,they told Team Right,WERE in POWER,
GO BIONK YOURSELFS!!

Boehner might be a tad niave,but the Democrats are SNAKES and
CAN NOT BE TRUSTED,and NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE APRIL!!

Its at a point,of why work with them,when their thinking of
scoring political points,and finding ways to stab ya in da back!!:)

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:40 PM

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Blocked in this country.

predator on November 18, 2011 at 9:36 PM

predator:

Now that doesn’t make any sense,its coming out of the US of A,and I normally get that,not available in Canada,thats weird!:)

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:42 PM

I thought he had a free raise the debt ceiling card! I like the timing! Let’s make sure we nominate someone electable. Bullwinkle comes to mind.

Cindy Munford on November 18, 2011 at 9:37 PM

Cindy Munford:I always thought Hopey and First Lady were,ahem,

“Boris and Natasha”,haha!:)

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Cindy Munford on November 18, 2011 at 9:37 PM

Bullwinkle/Rocky 2012!

Roger Ramjet for SecDef!

Sherman for State!

Roger Ramjet’s Super Proton Energy Pills for SecEng!

Dudley Do-right for Homeland Defense! *even if he is Canadian–hat tip to canopfor*

Mister Whooppee for SecEd!

Heckle and Jeckle for press secretary!

predator on November 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Good thing we have such strong conservative leadership in the form of an establishment, Herman-Munster-looking, disconnected-from-his-base, worthless speaker who will once again do his best to snatch Defeat from the jaws of Victory.

Tim_CA on November 18, 2011 at 9:47 PM

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Love that….thanks.

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Bullwinkle comes to mind.

Cindy Munford on November 18, 2011 at 9:37 PM

“Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat”

“Again Bullwinkle?”

Eeny meeny chili beeny, the spirits are about to speak

darwin-t on November 18, 2011 at 9:49 PM

Amen.

If anyone saw him on Cavuto today, I’d like to hear your thoughts!

herm2416 on November 18, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Missed him on Cavuto buy saw him (Perry) on O’Reilly tonight, he handled himself very well. Maybe it’s the podium or lectern that freaks him out, cuz tonight he was good.

Tim Zank on November 18, 2011 at 9:50 PM

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM

LOL! I can see that.

Cindy Munford on November 18, 2011 at 9:50 PM

You guys are ready, I hope.

The next few months – if not weeks – are when this economic roller coaster goes over the peak of that first really big drop – hold on tight, guys, Europe’s about to explode, and it’s taking us with it.

Midas on November 18, 2011 at 9:52 PM

predator on November 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM

That’s a lot of competence right there.

Cindy Munford on November 18, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Another way the U.S. could reach its debt limit before Nov 2012 – another rating downgrade. If the U.S. gets another downgrade and the interest rate we have to pay to get someone to buy our debt goes up, we’ll get to the ceiling much faster. A Super Committee failure would push the ratings agencies toward another downgrade.

I wonder how much pressure the Administration could/would put on the ratings agencies. The Chinese ratings agency has put the U.S. on watch already if I am not mistaken.

Numbuh One on November 18, 2011 at 9:53 PM

WE ARE SO HOSED.

This Congressional Politburo (Super Committee) is jacking around about $1.5 trillion in “cuts” OVER 10 FREAKING YEARS. That’s $150 billion a year when they are OVER SPENDING $1.5 trillion a YEAR.

And they probably aren’t even cuts.

THROW-THEM-ALL-OUT

ALL

ALL

ALL

PappyD61 on November 18, 2011 at 9:17 PM

I used to think it was almost too late for that.

I’m afraid I was wrong – it *is* too late.

Midas on November 18, 2011 at 9:55 PM

That’s a lot of competence right there.

Cindy Munford on November 18, 2011 at 9:52 PM

It’s the administration and the cabinet of the future!:)

predator on November 18, 2011 at 9:56 PM

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:14 PM

The real deal…Mosul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2opkvpEqVX0&feature=related

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2011 at 9:59 PM

“A government that robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul”

Don’t underestimate Obama and the Dems. 49% of households taking government checks. They’ll be rolling out the handout cart next year.

WisCon on November 18, 2011 at 9:59 PM

You forgot the sarc tags–I hope.

predator on November 18, 2011 at 9:34 PM

I didn’t forget them, but didn’t think they were necessary really. I mean, Mitch McConnell is the reason Barack got to slither out of it to start with.

SouthernGent on November 18, 2011 at 10:03 PM

OH NO!

He held the nations’ economy hostage with veto threat to all the negotiations to get his one demand met… the only demand anyone kept during the negotiations (and I’ve been told the Republican’s demands were holding the nation hostage; so it must have been true for his as well).

And now he’s going to have to suffer anyhow? Will he hold the nation’s economy hostage again to force more debt before the election cycle really gets going?

Oh well, at least he’s still got the media covering for him and attacking his enemies… but when he keeps screwing up the planning so badly time and time again that really isn’t much help is it?

gekkobear on November 18, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Who here didn’t see this coming? Raise you hands…
anybody?

Gwillie on November 18, 2011 at 10:15 PM

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 18, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Just a thousand? I thought we reached that somewhere in the middle of his first year in office. Or was it his first month.

chemman on November 18, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Midas on November 18, 2011 at 9:55 PM

IMHO It’s been too late since 1960 when they made the last actual payment on the National Debt. The slow motion train wreck to be sped up to supersonic speed and under Obama has reached light speed.

chemman on November 18, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Criminy. Because this is such a shocking development. I mean, nobody saw this coming….

::rolleyes::

Nuke Washington from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

nukemhill on November 18, 2011 at 10:20 PM

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:14 PM
The real deal…Mosul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2opkvpEqVX0&feature=related

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Baxter Greene:Thank-you,that was awesome,yup,the real McKoy!:)

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 10:23 PM

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:14 PM
The real deal…Mosul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2opkvpEqVX0&feature=related

Baxter Greene on November 18, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Baxter Greene:Thank-you,that was awesome,yup,the real McKoy!:)

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Interesting.
Can’t wait to see that repeated with V-22s.

Count to 10 on November 18, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Heckle and Jeckle for press secretary!

predator on November 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM

predator:LMAO,very nice,haha!:)

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 10:25 PM

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM
LOL! I can see that.

Cindy Munford on November 18, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Cindy Munford:)

canopfor on November 18, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Coming soon to an election booth near you – The Six Trillion Dollar Man.

Steve Eggleston on November 18, 2011 at 10:54 PM

SHUT IT DOWN!

GarandFan on November 18, 2011 at 11:03 PM

Just how much violence is there going to be next year? Frightening.

Mirimichi on November 18, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Slim but growing chance that Congress might have to raise debt ceiling again …

And the point of this mythical debt ceiling is?

DSchoen on November 18, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Our political class is a disgrace.

Trump called them fools on Greta’s show. They are smart enough to enrich themselves.

Throw them all out, incl. Boehner/Pelosi/Obama.

It’s 2012 or Never.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Heckle and Jeckle for press secretary!

predator on November 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM

We’ve done that already…Gibbs and Carney.

BTW, every time that pic of O-dam-a is used, it makes my skin crawl. He is one very creepy dude. If it’s true that the eyes are the windows to the soul, then his is one very empty place.*

I’ll probably have nightmares now.

(*I was going to say “black hole,” but I didn’t want to give anyone a chance to call me a racist. OWTH…black hole, black hole, black hole.)

GrannyDee on November 19, 2011 at 1:06 AM

How long before they start shooting old people?

crosspatch on November 19, 2011 at 2:11 AM

B*tt F*k.

jollybird on November 19, 2011 at 4:37 AM

Everyone knows the fiscal mess is too much spending and our hopes of the fresh Congressman voted into power in 2010 would do something but they too intoxicated with the power and along with their frat brothers and sisters will do nothing to get us out of this mess. What we need is a nation wide strike where no one shows up for work but that’s an impossibility to dream about. Why is it 435 people are helpless?

mixplix on November 19, 2011 at 7:58 AM

In other words, if the economy tanks again next year, tax revenue will dry up and the feds will be forced to borrow more than they projected, thus accelerating the debt to a pace that’ll force another raising o’ the ceiling before November 2012.

And remind me… when has a government projection ever been correct? I’d say there’s nearly a 100% likelihood this arrives before the election. The GOP better have its message ready to go. You don’t any easier pitches to hit out of the park.

Neo-con Artist on November 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM

Oy.

So what was the reason we bother to vote again? People like Boehner keep saying the right things, yet nothing ever gets done. At best the GOP has their hearts in the right place yet somehow keeps getting steamrolled whether they’re in power or not. At worst, I agree with PappyD61 about the GOP just doing a kabuki dance for the benefit of us trusting rubes while quietly benefiting from the Democrats’ destructiveness. Either way, the GOP isn’t going to do anything regardless of what they say. In my more cynical moments, they start to sound to me like Yassir Arafat who used to preach peace to us trusting Westerners in English while preaching war to his own people in Arabic.

I suspect that the only way this debt will stop spiraling up and up and up is if we run out of foreign countries willing to purchase our debt, but thus far, China, for one, apparently thinks purchasing our debt is a good deal, at least for now.

Aitch748 on November 19, 2011 at 9:50 AM

The GOP nominee would be in the same bind, of course. Imagine the panic inside Team Romney over having to stake out a clear position on that.

The most telling comments of the post-Oh my God, just imagine Romney having to take a tough decision !! Don’t worry Jazz, he will lick his finger, hold it out in the wind and figure which way it is blowing… this way he can make a “safe” decision.

nagee76 on November 19, 2011 at 10:30 AM

I suspect that the only way this debt will stop spiraling up and up and up is if we run out of foreign countries willing to purchase our debt, but thus far, China, for one, apparently thinks purchasing our debt is a good deal, at least for now.

Aitch748 on November 19, 2011 at 9:50 AM

This will happen sooner or later (probably sooner). A forced default/freeze will be much worse than a controlled cut in spending, but of course our current politicians refuse to do it the less hard way. They want to keep kicking the can down the road so they won’t be blamed when the fecal matter hits the fan. Of course when it does, they will all know ahead of time and short the market and make a ton of money.

Corsair on November 19, 2011 at 11:27 AM