Ortega charged with attempted assassination in White House shooting

posted at 4:15 pm on November 17, 2011 by Tina Korbe

Wow. I suppose I could have inferred from the shots fired — and by reports of Oscar Ortega-Hernandez’ statements to the effect that he hates Barack Obama — that his intent was to assassinate, but I still feel a little shaken to read the words. The Associated Press reports:

A man charged with firing two shots at the White House last week has been charged with attempting to assassinate President Barack Obama or his staff.

Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez will be taken back from a federal court in Pittsburgh to face the charges in Washington, D.C.

Ortega will remain in federal custody at least until a magistrate in Washington can determine if he should remain jailed until his trial on the charge, which carries up to life in prison.

The 21-year-old Ortega said only, “Yes, ma’am” when he was asked if he understood that he would be going back to Washington to face the charges.

Somehow, this serves to remind me that, as important as our ideological differences are, as much as it is worth it to fight for certain principles, politics should never be a matter of life and death. If Gabby Giffords’ heroic recovery story has taught us anything, it is that the vast majority of us are bound by the fierce will to live, to survive whatever obstacles life presents us and, yes, to thrive. Liberals and conservatives clearly have different ideas about what leads to human flourishing, but we all agree that human flourishing is a good, and we also primarily have similar definitions of what it looks like — health, happiness and meaning, largely in relationships. However much most conservatives despise the policies of the president, they certainly do not begrudge him his happy marriage and family. And while we might scoff at his ill-timed and outlandish birthday party, we don’t resent his desire to celebrate life.

Please permit me to sugget it: Now and always, prayers for the president — and for the mentally deranged man to face charges in D.C. — are a wise idea. However, the prayers I’m suggesting would not necessarily be along the lines of this … One Occupy San Diego protester called for a moment of silence on behalf of Ortega. It seemed less a prayer for someone who is clearly ill to heal than some kind of expression of solidarity. Once again, the media double standard I mentioned yesterday applies.


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Just remember…

The TEA Party are the real terrorists.

catmman on November 17, 2011 at 4:19 PM

MSNBC to breathlessly report how OWS is promoting violence and anti-government hatred in 895,513,591,516,505; 895,513,591,516,504; 895,513,591,516,503…

NotCoach on November 17, 2011 at 4:20 PM

I don’t want to be indelicate…

… but is Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez a legal US citizen?

Seven Percent Solution on November 17, 2011 at 4:21 PM

I pray for Pres. Obama all the time. Not just because the idea of President Biden is worrisome. :) He seems like a good guy, but he needs some real help to get this show on the road again.

Prufrock on November 17, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Of course, there’s also the Fiddler on the Roof blessing one can use for the President.

Lebisch: Rabbi! May I ask you a question?
Rabbi: Certainly, Lebisch!
Lebisch: Is there a proper blessing… for the Tsar?
Rabbi: A blessing for the Tsar? Of course! May God bless and keep the Tsar… far away from us!

Of course, he has many tsarsczars.

Prufrock on November 17, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Has there been any word as to whether he’s a legal U.S. citizen?

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM

“… politics should never be a matter of life and death.”

Tell that to the unions and the Left…

Seven Percent Solution on November 17, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Ortega charged with attempted assass!nation in White House shooting

It is always the left who rushes to use violence when they don’t get their way. If anything happens to Obama I can predict with fair accuracy that it will be a leftist nutjob who does it.

sharrukin on November 17, 2011 at 4:26 PM

I wonder if Holder supplied him with a Fast and Furious weapon.

ColumbusConservative on November 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Has there been any word as to whether he’s a legal U.S. citizen?

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Dunno.

But rest assured, if he were a white male, Christian Republican who enjoyed smoking and red meat we’d already have those details…

catmman on November 17, 2011 at 4:28 PM

We need to push back on him being a tea partier. They are serious in their lies, they don’t want this pinned on OWS.

Mr. Joe on November 17, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Somehow, this serves to remind me that, as important as our ideological differences are, as much as it is worth it to fight for certain principles, politics should never be a matter of life and death.

This was not about politics, Tina.

This guy and the Giffords shooter are whackos. Even if OWS was the occasion of this offense, the shooter being off his rocker renders the political angle moot.

Akzed on November 17, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Even if OWS was the occasion of this offense, the shooter being off his rocker renders the political angle moot.

Akzed on November 17, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Only if his politics are of the Lefty variety…

catmman on November 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Akzed on November 17, 2011 at 4:28 PM

How do you know he is off his rocker? I am not disputing it, I just haven’t seen anything by him or about him to indicate to me his mental state.

NotCoach on November 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM

This was not about politics, Tina.

This guy and the Giffords shooter are whackos. Even if OWS was the occasion of this offense, the shooter being off his rocker renders the political angle moot.

Akzed on November 17, 2011 at 4:28 PM

No, no…

This is clearly the doing of Sarah Palin.

(I’m only half-joking. The story is still young)

turfmann on November 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Somehow, this serves to remind me that, as important as our ideological differences are, as much as it is worth it to fight for certain principles, politics should never be a matter of life and death.

If you mean American politics as practiced now, in a representative democracy where free elections and the rule of law are observed, then sure, certainly, of course we’re agreed, but to write ‘politics should never be a matter of life and death’? No, sorry, can’t buy it. Such an all-encompassing, absolutist statement would be dismissed out of hand by our Founding Fathers, for example. And then of course there’s the little matter of the American Civil War. Never say never.

troyriser_gopftw on November 17, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Seven Percent Solution on November 17, 2011 at 4:21 PM

I heard earlier that he wsa born in Idaho.

ConservativePartyNow on November 17, 2011 at 4:36 PM

So he thought he was the anti Christ and the gov. was out to get him. By those standards i believe most libs were mentally ill during the bush years.

Greed on November 17, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Sooner or later the press or the Democrats will twist and turn this around to blame conservatives, Republicans and the Tea Party…
some angle…gun control…

albill on November 17, 2011 at 4:37 PM

I don’t understand Tina’s logic because, sooner or later, politics is always a matter of life and death.

Sooner or later, the leftists ALWAYS go to far in trying to control everyone and then the right, those who have historically been the protectors of freedom, have to step in and set things straight. Always by having to resort to war.

Sporty1946 on November 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Please permit me to sugget it

What is a “sugget”??

portlandon on November 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Akzed on November 17, 2011 at 4:28 PM

How do you know he is off his rocker? I am not disputing it, I just haven’t seen anything by him or about him to indicate to me his mental state.
NotCoach on November 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM

I think, almost by definition, any guy who takes potshots at the White House probably has a screw loose. I’m not sure how they’re going to prosecute this as an attempt on the President, given the information we have thus far. It would seem to be a hope for the most wild of all lucky shots in history, especially with the President being on Air Force One at the time.

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Republicans and the Tea Party…
some angle…gun control…

albill on November 17, 2011 at 4:37 PM

“investigators discovered a Romanian Cugir SA semi-automatic assault rifle with a large scope mounted on the weapon. Police who responded to the vehicle also discovered three magazines loaded with ammunition.”

You can bet on it.

Greed on November 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM

This guy sure looks like a momentarily copasetic RageBoy to me. Anybody know of his background?

DanMan on November 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Somehow, this serves to remind me that, as important as our ideological differences are, as much as it is worth it to fight for certain principles, politics should never be a matter of life and death.

If you mean American politics as practiced now, in a representative democracy where free elections and the rule of law are observed, then sure, certainly, of course we’re agreed, but to write ‘politics should never be a matter of life and death’? No, sorry, can’t buy it. Such an all-encompassing, absolutist statement would be dismissed out of hand by our Founding Fathers, for example. And then of course there’s the little matter of the American Civil War. Never say never.
troyriser_gopftw on November 17, 2011 at 4:32 PM

I think you’re going places far removed from what Tina is talking about above – which, simply put, is “you don’t kill people just because you disagree with their politics”. And she’s right.

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM

So he thought he (Obama) was the anti Christ and the gov. was out to get him. By those standards i believe most libs were mentally ill during the bush years.

Greed on November 17, 2011 at 4:36 PM
sorry had to fix

Greed on November 17, 2011 at 4:49 PM

How do you know he is off his rocker? I am not disputing it, I just haven’t seen anything by him or about him to indicate to me his mental state. NotCoach on November 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Police believe the suspect, 21-year-old Oscar Ramiro Ortega of Idaho, is mentally ill. Ortega has an extensive record, ranging from domestic violence to drug charges. Sources say a police investigation has uncovered evidence suggesting Ortega has a fixation on the White House.

Only if his politics are of the Lefty variety…
catmman on November 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Granted, but then every presidential assassin was a leftist or anarchist of some sort. Every. One.

Akzed on November 17, 2011 at 4:50 PM

However much most conservatives despise the policies of the president, they certainly do not begrudge him his happy marriage and family. And while we might scoff at his ill-timed and outlandish birthday party, we don’t resent his desire to celebrate life.

And this and the rest of the article is why we fail. At the risk of being cranky, it’s always expected that we take the high road on everything, while the left can blame it on Palin, Tea Partiers, Uncle Tom blacks, etc, etc, etc, but that’s okay and expected.

No, I want to resent Obama’s birthday party. I want to begrudge him his happy (?) marriage and family. When he cares about what his idiot policies are doing to other people’s families and marriages and lives, then I’ll care about his.

Every time he goes out golfing, how many people are losing their jobs or have given up?

No, I don’t be magnanimous about it, especially when this fool will eventually be foisted upon conservatives or ignored because he’s tied to or a tool of the left.

kim roy on November 17, 2011 at 4:53 PM

My only thoughts are that the guy is a horrible shot.

MikeA on November 17, 2011 at 4:53 PM

The whole story is so weird.

MayBee on November 17, 2011 at 4:53 PM

I think you’re going places far removed from what Tina is talking about above – which, simply put, is “you don’t kill people just because you disagree with their politics”. And she’s right.

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Er, um, yes, you can kill people just because you disagree with their politics since just about every war in the modern era was fought with that end in mind. ‘Nazi’, for example, is a political designation. So is ‘communist’.

I understood what Tina was getting at and appreciated the sentiment, but no, she isn’t right, at least not the way she wrote it.

troyriser_gopftw on November 17, 2011 at 5:00 PM

I heard that he had shot from 1500 ft away. That isn’t a random shooting, that’s a sniper!

ConservativePartyNow on November 17, 2011 at 5:02 PM

He’ll play the babbling loon like the Gifford shooter, rambling out Little Miss Muffet and belching and some Fed judge will take pity on him and send him to some outpatient clinic.

Limerick on November 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM

This guy sure looks like a momentarily copasetic RageBoy to me. Anybody know of his background?

DanMan on November 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM

In the front page pic, he looks like Ashton Kutcher to me….

catmman on November 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM

OK, but legally speaking he may not be insane. I don’t know that he is in the same mental league as Jared Loughner.

NotCoach on November 17, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Just out of legal curiosity, how does one get charged with attempting to “assassinate the president” when:

a) he shot at a building
b) the “president” was not in said building.

GarandFan on November 17, 2011 at 5:09 PM

#OccupyFederalPrison

malclave on November 17, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Granted, but then every presidential assassin was a leftist or anarchist of some sort. Every. One.

Akzed on November 17, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Booth wasn’t a leftist, but a Confederate and “Know Nothing” racist. He may have been going for anarchy by killing Lincoln, but that was only plan “B” (plan “A” was kidnapping for purpose of prisoner exchange).

That’s said, the actual politics and/or sanity of any modern would-be assassin has little to do with the discussion. What is pertinent is that the left and the MSM will paint such extremists as products of right wing “hatred”. Palin got Giffords shot, and this poor schmuck is obviously a product of the failures of Capitalism, don’t you see.

peski on November 17, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Schizophrenic takes potshot at Congresswoman–MUST be Tea Party!!!

Schizophrenic hangs with OWS, takes potshot at POTUS–He’s just mentally ill…

Sekhmet on November 17, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Who can state what goes through these people’s minds? We immediately try to tag it. I have no idea. News agencies are quite comfortable formulating causes (cough, cough) and are, at this moment ruing the fact that his name is not John Smith. What can they do with it? Are they forming committees, think-tank sort of stabs in the dark? This should be big, big news to begin with.

It is not. He was in Hawaii, or Asia, or whatever.

betsyz on November 17, 2011 at 5:13 PM

I think you’re going places far removed from what Tina is talking about above – which, simply put, is “you don’t kill people just because you disagree with their politics”. And she’s right.

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Sorry, history proves both of you wrong. In every country throughout history you end up HAVING TO KILL people expressly for their politics. If you don’t, you have lost your freedom or your own life.

Their is ALWAYS someone who wants to do everything their way and only their way. Getting along is not an option…unless you like being a slave.

Sporty1946 on November 17, 2011 at 5:16 PM

I think you’re going places far removed from what

Tina is talking about above – which, simply put, is “you don’t kill people just because you disagree with their politics”. And she’s right.
whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Er, um, yes, you can kill people just because you disagree with their politics since just about every war in the modern era was fought with that end in mind. ‘Nazi’, for example, is a political designation. So is ‘communist’.
I understood what Tina was getting at and appreciated the sentiment, but no, she isn’t right, at least not the way she wrote it.
troyriser_gopftw on November 17, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Not really, we’ve never gone to war because someone was of a different political party. Otherwise it would be a constant state of World War, considering the uncountable number of political parties in the world.
e.g. if Botswana bombs Pearl Harbor or declares war on the US, I expect we’ll repay it in kind. But we’re not going to have WWII because we may disagree with the Botswana Democratic Party on it’s tax platform.

So Tina’s talkin’ apples and you’re talkin’ oranges. Whole different critters altogether.

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Liberals and conservatives clearly have different ideas about what leads to human flourishing, but we all agree that human flourishing is a good, and we also primarily have similar definitions of what it looks like — health, happiness and meaning, largely in relationships.

I would respectfully disagree with that notion.

Liberals, I believe, do not agree that “human flourishing is good,” and their definition of happiness is nowhere near the same as mine.

radioboyatl on November 17, 2011 at 5:25 PM

I think you’re going places far removed from what Tina is talking about above – which, simply put, is “you don’t kill people just because you disagree with their politics”. And she’s right.

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Sorry, history proves both of you wrong. In every country throughout history you end up HAVING TO KILL people expressly for their politics. If you don’t, you have lost your freedom or your own life.
Sporty1946 on November 17, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Again, you’re making an oranges argument there as opposed to the simple apples observation Tina made.

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Just out of legal curiosity, how does one get charged with attempting to “assassinate the president” when:
a) he shot at a building
b) the “president” was not in said building.
GarandFan on November 17, 2011 at 5:09 PM

I’m also wondering how they’re going to make the charge stick. I can see charges for taking a few potshots at a Fed building – but an attempt on the President?

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 5:31 PM

GarandFan on November 17, 2011 at 5:09 PM

If you rob a bank that doesn’t have any cash, have you committed a crime?

BobMbx on November 17, 2011 at 5:42 PM

I’m also wondering how they’re going to make the charge stick. I can see charges for taking a few potshots at a Fed building – but an attempt on the President?

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 5:31 PM

You can make a threat to that effect right here on HA, and be convicted.

BobMbx on November 17, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Again, you’re making an oranges argument there as opposed to the simple apples observation Tina made.

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 5:28 PM

You are correct, it is simple…as in naive. We have come to believe this in our country but it is a dangerous state of mind to live in. While it is preferable to believe that would shouldn’t kill another human being because of their political beliefs, we cannot and should not be cowed into a position of not killing someone for their political actions. This is the type of thinking that allows dictators to rise to power and atrocities to be committed such as the Holocaust of WWII, the Soviet massacre of over 50 million, etc, etc, etc.

Sporty1946 on November 17, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Has there been any word as to whether he’s a legal U.S. citizen?

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM

I was wondering the same thing or was someone he knew, who that was illegal deported back to their country of origin? They say he has a drug history? Taking drugs? Dealing drugs? Is he part of any of the gang activity going on in this country by the Mexican Drug Cartels? Where did he get the weapons he used? Did he purchase them legally?

I have so many questions, obviously I am relieved he wasn’t successful. There are some thoughts the President’s family was at home at the time. I don’t think this is an unreasonable charge against Ortega-Hernandez.

Why didn’t Occupy San Diego, say a prayer for the President of the United States? Seeing how he was the target, and the people’s house was shot up?

There are some trifling people residing in this country.

Dr Evil on November 17, 2011 at 5:57 PM

I’m also wondering how they’re going to make the charge stick. I can see charges for taking a few potshots at a Fed building – but an attempt on the President?

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 5:31 PM

After he was taken into custody he could have said something like “I was trying to kill the President…” I suspect that would be enough to make the charge stick. Just because the President was not in the building does not mean the idiot was not attempting to kill him, It only means that the guy is an idiot and should be sent away.

F15Mech on November 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM

I’m also wondering how they’re going to make the charge stick. I can see charges for taking a few potshots at a Fed building – but an attempt on the President?
whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 5:31 PM

You can make a threat to that effect right here on HA, and be convicted.
BobMbx on November 17, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Indeed. Some idiot kid put up a Facebook poll awhile back that earned him and his folks a SS visit. Just a stupid “joke” but you don’t wanna joke about that.

However in this case, unless there’s something I missed by way of intent – e.g. a confession – I don’t know how they can pin much more than shooting a Fed bldg on the guy. Also, if you drag out the old saw of “motive, means and opportunity”, you might have “motive”, you have “means” (I think) – but “opportunity”? If the presumed target is halfway across the country that would seem to severely limit opportunity.

It’ll be interesting to see what all comes out on this and how they proceed in prosecuting him.

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 6:16 PM

“… politics should never be a matter of life and death.”

You need to read up on world history. Start at page 1.

keep the change on November 17, 2011 at 6:18 PM

If he was 800m from the WH, not only could he not have a hope of seeing a target to aim at but he would have had to aim 10+ feet above the target to get a 7.62×39 round to go that far, which is impossible with any normal kind of rifle sights. This charge is patently absurd, at least to the practicality of it.

An AK is not very useful as an artillery piece. I suspect the guy was firing into the air at something, probably an alien space ship, and happened to get his direction and elevation right by pure chance. Nothing out there to show he has any talent or much experience with firearms, but we will see.

I will not be surprised to see the case tossed or acquittal for some reason.

As it is, with his record, he is likely also to face felon-in-possession charges and/or parole violation, for having a firearm. A good case for idiot control, not gun control.

Harry Schell on November 17, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Has there been any word as to whether he’s a legal U.S. citizen?
whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM

I was wondering the same thing or was someone he knew, who that was illegal deported back to their country of origin? They say he has a drug history? Taking drugs? Dealing drugs? Is he part of any of the gang activity going on in this country by the Mexican Drug Cartels? Where did he get the weapons he used? Did he purchase them legally?

I expect that info will come out sooner or later. On the illegal question, my eyebrows raise when they don’t say anything. It’s the same reaction as when I hear “youths” did this or that in a news report. I translate “youths” into “Muslim” or “black” and almost without exception, I translated correctly.

I have so many questions, obviously I am relieved he wasn’t successful. There are some thoughts the President’s family was at home at the time. I don’t think this is an unreasonable charge against Ortega-Hernandez.
Why didn’t Occupy San Diego, say a prayer for the President of the United States? Seeing how he was the target, and the people’s house was shot up?
Dr Evil on November 17, 2011 at 5:57 PM

I’m going to hazard a wild guess that we probably won’t be hearing much from the media about the “climate of hate and anger” (we’re gonna burn NYC down!) created by the current OWS gang’s antics as a factor in the WH shooting as we did after the Gifford’s shooting re:the Tea Party.

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 6:27 PM

After he was taken into custody he could have said something like “I was trying to kill the President…” I suspect that would be enough to make the charge stick. Just because the President was not in the building does not mean the idiot was not attempting to kill him, It only means that the guy is an idiot and should be sent away.
F15Mech on November 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Could be. But I think if he had fessed up, that’s something the authorities would be crowing about. Also, if he fessed up without legal representation anything he’s said so far could be thrown out, especially if he’s found to be non compis mentis. Right now, I’m guessing it’ll be more like a long term John Hickley funny farm punishment he would get as opposed to hard prison time.

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 6:27 PM

This happened last Friday I would bet money that OWS evictions across the country were partially in reaction to this violence against the President and the White House.

Their might have been a contingency to shut these camps down but I think the time table got moved up because of this incident. There are people at those OWS camps behaving and saying the most outlandish things. If they were a magnet to Ortega -Hernandez their “talk” may have embolden him. The only thing is our government doesn’t know how many “Ortega-Hernandez” are out there.

Obama ex-pastor offers sanctuary for Occupy protesters. Calls on churches nationwide to open ‘basements and halls’

A recent member of President Obama’s White House faith council has offered his parish as sanctuary to Occupy protesters, calling on churches nationwide to similarly open their doors.

Dr Evil on November 17, 2011 at 6:42 PM

There not Their….time to heat up the pots and pans :)

Dr Evil on November 17, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Could be. But I think if he had fessed up, that’s something the authorities would be crowing about.

whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM

I heard on a radio blip (but not the whole story) before I posted my comment that led me to believe that had happened.

Also, if he fessed up without legal representation anything he’s said so far could be thrown out, especially if he’s found to be non compis mentis.

Very true but that would be no reason why he could not be charged with the crimes.

F15Mech on November 17, 2011 at 6:53 PM

I wonder if Holder supplied him with a Fast and Furious weapon.

ColumbusConservative on November 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM

That would be fascinating to ponder, wouldn’t it?

And if it was, would that info be released to the public?

listens2glenn on November 17, 2011 at 7:35 PM

Turns out this dude has the coolest tattoo evar

ernesto on November 17, 2011 at 7:50 PM

its all for sympathy!
Hell obummer wasnt even in the same friggen hemisphere.
please lets work it for the attention whore that obummer is.

ColdWarrior57 on November 17, 2011 at 8:35 PM

Liberals and conservatives clearly have different ideas about what leads to human flourishing, but we all agree that human flourishing is a good,….

Not true.

The founder of EDF Environmental Defense Fund is on record stating that he’d like to see the human race exterminated, except for his fellow Enviro Industry comrades of course. It’s because these fascist bastards think they know what’s best for us and what’s best for the world.

Guess what EDF fifth columnist is in Obama’s misAdministration? Jane Lubechenko – former Vice President of EDF and current head of NOAA.

Among other things, Lubechenko has major influence on the Gummint’s so-called “global warming/climate change” regs. Lubechenko also oversees the NMFS Natl Marine Fisheries Service, which is directly responsible for unneeded, unscientific fisheries regulations that have put hundreds of thousands of marine-related workers out of work permanently.

Mark/ Catch-All
Pres., 100 Fathom Fishing Club

CatchAll on November 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM

TEA party blame alert:

“Alleged presidential assassin Ortega-Hernandez reportedly called Obama ‘the Antichrist,’” notes the subtitle of Sarah Posner, “So who put that idea in his head?’”

How many guesses do we get?

Terp Mole on November 19, 2011 at 9:22 AM