Oh my: Another Iowa poll has Ron Paul in second place
posted at 7:10 pm on November 17, 2011 by Allahpundit
He was a distant fourth in Rasmussen’s poll of likely voters this morning, but there’s no way the “Paul surge!” meme is going to die that easily. New fuel for the fire today from Iowa State: A poll of almost 1,000 Iowa registered Republicans has him just above 20 percent, four points better than Romney and just four points back of a guy whose own supporters have taken to dumping him as unelectable on national TV. As Cain fades a bit, Newt starts to come on strong, and Perry gets his second wind, there’s at least a chance here of a five-way split that would let Paul squeak to victory with, say, 25 percent. Look out, fiat money!
Is the rEVOLution coming to Des Moines? WaPo’s Chris Cillizza is bullish:
The most obvious reason is that Paul has been on television in the state since July and has spent more than $1.35 million on ads. (For months, Paul had the airwaves to himself although Texas Gov. Rick Perry is now on television in Iowa as well.)…
And, it’s not just Paul’s television ads that have blanketed the state. Sixty seven percent of those tested in the Bloomberg poll said they had been contacted by the Paul campaign via email, direct mail, telephone or someone coming directly to their door over the last year — the highest percentage for any candidate. (Just 47 percent said the same of Perry, 46 percent of Romney and 41 percent of Cain.)…
“Turnout will probably be lower than in 2008 because there are not the kind of hyper-developed ground efforts like we saw in 2008, 2000, or 1996,” said Gentry Collins, a former executive director of the Republican Party of Iowa. “I think that benefits a candidate like Paul because the depth of his appeal will guarantee him a minimum number.”…
“[Paul] will benefit more than other candidates from our registration rules as independents, Libertarians [and] Democrats can effectively become Republicans for a night and caucus for Paul,” said one veteran Iowa Republican operative. “Anecdotally, I have encountered more than a few self-described liberals who will caucus for Paul due to his anti-war stance.”
Caucusing for Paul as a liberal would be exceedingly stupid, and not just because his ideology is the most antithetical to the welfare state of any candidate in the field. Like I said yesterday, a Paul win in Iowa would greatly raise the chances of Romney being nominated — and Romney is, for better or worse, The One’s toughest opponent head to head. A smart, cynical, calculating liberal would organize an “Operation Chaos” on behalf of Perry, whose favorables have turned toxic but who could still, probably, win the nomination on a wave of Not Romney enthusiasm if he takes Iowa. He’d be easier pickings for Obama in the general, especially if he goes crosseyed again at one of the debates.
Via Cillizza, here’s one of the spots airing in Iowa. Can’t wait for the Ron Paul foreign policy ad. Exit question: Is the Republican field really going to be out-organized and out-hustled in corn country by a libertarian outsider? What’s the point of being establishment if the establishment can be outmaneuvered like that?









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It’s Iowa…. enough said…
sandee on November 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM
A lot of UFO sightings in Iowa.
Oil Can on November 17, 2011 at 7:13 PM
Is Iowa the only State where Paulnutzs live?
Kini on November 17, 2011 at 7:13 PM
Cue the blimp.
hillbillyjim on November 17, 2011 at 7:13 PM
Cueing the music..:)
Dire Straits on November 17, 2011 at 7:16 PM
LoL!..:)
Dire Straits on November 17, 2011 at 7:16 PM
He has no chance of getting nominated today because he wants to gut the federal government, and liberals and conservatives don’t want to do that. Liberals want to expand it, conservatives want to tweak it. They both want to keep spending. By the time the country would be willing to do what Ron Paul wants to do, it will be far too late.
We’ll get Romney instead.
keep the change on November 17, 2011 at 7:18 PM
Is the word revolution still on the ban list?
El_Terrible on November 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM
I would prefer Ron Paul to Cain or Romney.
sharrukin on November 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM
O.O
El_Terrible on November 17, 2011 at 7:21 PM
Better that Ron Paul has a strong performance that keeps him solidly in the GOP primary than to have him go third party or something crazy like that!
And for all his foreign policy quirkiness, I sure like how well Ron Paul has shaped the narrative on domestic fiscal sanity. You gotta give him kudos for that!
swanzoid on November 17, 2011 at 7:21 PM
Ummm… this is just your opinion, right?
parteagirl on November 17, 2011 at 7:22 PM
Corn-cob pipes and tinfoil hats for everyone as we all sing the Ron Paul campaign song: “Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don’t!”.
whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 7:22 PM
AllahP, isn’t this the same poll that was presented in the Headline thread earlier today?
If so, then it is old news because it was conducted from Nov. 1-13. A lot has happened since then.
TheRightMan on November 17, 2011 at 7:24 PM
That there is funny, I don’t care who you are.
TXUS on November 17, 2011 at 7:27 PM
Ron Paul, introducing Chris Christie.
whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 7:27 PM
Some one’s spiking the corn in Iowa if Paul’s taken seriously.
Rovin on November 17, 2011 at 7:28 PM
If we could somehow morph Paul’s domestic policy, Romney’s body/hair Newt’s foreign policy and Cain’s aw shucks personality we’d have a 57 state win next year.
angryed on November 17, 2011 at 7:28 PM
Scourge.
BJ* on November 17, 2011 at 7:28 PM
Even better if you know the tune – some of the younger uns hereabouts might not be familiar.
whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 7:30 PM
Iowa the one US state that is the farthest from any border.
William Amos on November 17, 2011 at 7:31 PM
Yes, that is the custom when blogging, to give one’s opinion.
It happens to be the opinion of a lot of people, for reasons relating to Perry and Cain’s less than impressive performances, and Gingrich’s baggage from the 90s.
RINO in Name Only on November 17, 2011 at 7:32 PM
I think they should hold a lottery every primary season. States get chosen that way.
I’m tired of Iowa having the first say in who our candidate should be.
gophergirl on November 17, 2011 at 7:33 PM
I don’t have a problem with that.
Just so long as I have the antacid concession for the GOP, to soothe the collective heartburn conservatives will have after they have to swallow Romney, instead of a man who would eliminate five cabinet departments, given the chance.
Yeah, that’ll be amusing…
JohnGalt23 on November 17, 2011 at 7:33 PM
Um, we’re not in Kansas anymore?
hillbillyjim on November 17, 2011 at 7:34 PM
Also, the polling has been pretty consistent re: Romney doing best against Obama.
whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 7:35 PM
That was the funniest thing you have ever posted! At least that I have read. :)
txmomof6 on November 17, 2011 at 7:36 PM
My suggestion to the campaign:
JohnGalt23 on November 17, 2011 at 7:36 PM
have you not heard what RonPaulians do to Polls? they have a calendar of when and where polls are.
Kaptain Amerika on November 17, 2011 at 7:40 PM
If he was running for Economic-Advisor-In-Chief, I would vote for him. For President, not so much.
TedInATL on November 17, 2011 at 7:41 PM
Arrrrrrrrrg, you can say that again! I will never understand this frickin’ primary system, and it’s getting even worse with these states trying to move them up. I mean it, it could really end up costing us the election.
kg598301 on November 17, 2011 at 7:42 PM
The ONLY time Ron Paul wins any poll, or is competitive in any poll, is when his supporters can vote 25 times each in that poll.
JustJP on November 17, 2011 at 7:43 PM
Wanna know who I hate more than Schmuckabee?
Ron Paul.
Anti-Semitic, neo-Bircher crank.
Pass.
radioboyatl on November 17, 2011 at 7:46 PM
Well, we’re doing our damnedest…
Don’t worry. Old age and treachery usually win out over youth an vigor.
Usually…
JohnGalt23 on November 17, 2011 at 7:46 PM
He was on Hannity this afternoon, and I caught part of his interview. He is expecting a good showing of 4th or 5th place in IA & NH
Kermit on November 17, 2011 at 7:47 PM
O/T don’t know if anyone posted this earlier but Palin sums it up quite nicely in this Wall Street Journal Op ed.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204323904577040373463191222.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Suck on that Washington.
heshtesh on November 17, 2011 at 7:47 PM
I fail to see what that has to do with a telephone poll. It certainly will come in handy for Paul at caucus time, however.
Inkblots on November 17, 2011 at 7:47 PM
Every four years everyone outside of IA and NH says that.
And every four years, IA and NH continue to go first.
Deal.
JohnGalt23 on November 17, 2011 at 7:48 PM
Here in Iowa, I got a call tonight from a volunteer for the Ron Paul campaign. I could hear the phone bank volunteers in the background during the call. Natalia invited me into a casual conversation where she kept saying, “You know – that’s what I like about Ron Paul – don’t you?” And then she finally asked me about Ron. “What do you think of him?”
Interesting approach, being conversational instead of polling.
The other candidates don’t have much for volunteer organization here. At least not in comparison…
beatcanvas on November 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM
And every four years I earn the right to bitch about it because I don’t like the setup.
gophergirl on November 17, 2011 at 7:50 PM
The more you establishment types attack Ron Paul, the better. You guys are driving people to him. Thank you. It’s because of you that are making the Republican Party obsolete.
FloatingRock on November 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM
Don’t be foolish. Ron Paul isn’t anti-Semitic. In fact, he’s very pro-Israel.
Ron Paul has been standing up for Israeli sovereignty for his entire career, from condemning Obama for trying to make Israel return to its 1967 borders (“Unlike this President, I do not believe it is our place to dictate how Israel runs her affairs. There can only be peace in the region if those sides work out their differences among one another. We should respect Israel’s sovereignty and not try to dictate her policy from Washington.”), all the way back to 1981 when he was one of the few Republicans in Congress to buck the Reagan administration and GOP leadership when he refused to support a resolution condemning Israel for bombing Iraq’s Osirak nuclear plant. Most politicians wanted to support our then-”buddies” in Iraq, but Ron has supported Israel’s right to protect herself as she sees fit for without fail for over 3 decades.
As to being anti-Semitic, or racist in any way, as Dr. Paul himself says: “Racism is simply the ugliest form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike; as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups.” And as Ron Paul is the ultimate individualist, opposed to all forms of collectivism, the conclusion is clear.
Inkblots on November 17, 2011 at 7:53 PM
The reason the Republican Party is obsolete is because they’re a bunch of socialist/corporatist generational thieves. Buh Bye, Republicans Party. /flush
FloatingRock on November 17, 2011 at 7:54 PM
And every four years I get to complain because I don’t like the system and will never like the system.
gophergirl on November 17, 2011 at 7:55 PM
AP, you’re screwing up the narrative by mentioning him! RP must get no attention, even when he’s obviously the best candidate, the only true conservative running, and has a lot of great ideas the you media types are trying to keep us from noticing!
peski on November 17, 2011 at 7:55 PM
I’ll stick with Rasmussen on this thank you.
HondaV65 on November 17, 2011 at 7:56 PM
Heh.
peski on November 17, 2011 at 7:57 PM
Why do people still go on and on about their being a Republican “establishment” that dictates everything that happens in the party? Might have had a point before primary process/when party insiders selected the candidate..not now.
therightwinger on November 17, 2011 at 8:03 PM
*sob* Sarah…
But she tells it like it is, doesn’t she?
pannw on November 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM
Pretty sure it’s the same poll, older and smaller, and lot’s of caveats about how un-committed everyone is.
Newsflash: the 90% who are non-Paulnuts are not by default “establishment types”. To a cultist, anyone not in the cult is an outsider.
peski on November 17, 2011 at 8:06 PM
This poll has Newt at 4%, which shows how accurate it is
jp on November 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM
Yes, agreed.
nswider on November 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM
Out: Smoking crack.
In: Smoking ethanol.
Buy Danish on November 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM
Amazing isn’t it..We are haters too..:)
Dire Straits on November 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM
This is hilarious, he has a long list of writings and videos online bashing Israel and repeating Jihadist propaganda. In Liberty Defined he defends Jimmy Carter and his “Apartheid” book
jp on November 17, 2011 at 8:10 PM
Confirmed:
Old poll:
http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/11/17/iowa-cain-24-5-paul-20-4-romney-16-5/
Links to:
http://globegazette.com/news/iowa/poll-gop-race-up-for-grabs-in-iowa/article_8ac2334c-10cc-11e1-bb14-001cc4c03286.html
Same as the link above for this post.
peski on November 17, 2011 at 8:10 PM
It’s the Ron Paul entourage – he has to get from here to there somehow, y’know.
whatcat on November 17, 2011 at 8:14 PM
*sob* Sarah…
But she tells it like it is, doesn’t she?
pannw on November 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM
She sure doe’s, always good to hear from her.
heshtesh on November 17, 2011 at 8:14 PM
This is possible the most worthless poll of all-time.
I can’t believe you guys even posted it. TWICE. Once in the headlines and now here.
Key factors that make it irrelevant:
1. The poll spans 13 freaking days. How much has happened during that span?
2. Only 1/3 of the participants said they would attend the Iowa Caucus. That means 2/3 of the respondents opinions are meaningless.
This poll is beyond stupid. Rasmussen’s poll today is much more indicative of what’s going.
bigred on November 17, 2011 at 8:15 PM
Push poll
again, any poll out right now that has Newt at 4% isn’t credible
jp on November 17, 2011 at 8:24 PM
It already is.
nukemhill on November 17, 2011 at 8:45 PM
I’m likely voting for Paul in the primary, but he’s probably our Barry Goldwater. Better a Barry than a Gerald, IMO/
spmat on November 17, 2011 at 9:16 PM
You can get a feel for who truly are the establishment folks around here. Paul is the most pro-liberty candidate in the field, by far I might add, and all people want to talk about is that he’s anti-Jewish because he wants to stay out of Israel’s affairs.
Notorious GOP on November 17, 2011 at 9:17 PM
Go Ron!!!
No one but Paul!!!
iamse7en on November 17, 2011 at 9:41 PM
Looks like a nut, talks like a nut, must be a nut. Ron Paul: representing the crazy people of America.
Igor R. on November 17, 2011 at 10:07 PM
Why do people call him nuts? I am a leader in the Republican party of my county and state and this bothers me. When the name calling happens like this you loose support for all the candidates.
I’ve seen more Republicans leaving the inner party because of this non-sense and you poeple are driving them away.
I however wonder if you are in fact driving them away or if the Republican party is turning into a suicide machine. The wave of people I see wanting to get out of foreign countries is growning as they do not want to see our country go bankrupt. We can not afford these undeclared wars and they are realizing that Dr. Paul is the only Republican that sees the insanity going on.
livermush on November 17, 2011 at 10:55 PM
His obsession with not seeing any foreign dangers is crazy. He also has the mannerism of a person who is not quite there. I like an respect his son, but not him, although I agree with just about everything he has to say on the Fed and domestic spending.
Igor R. on November 17, 2011 at 11:13 PM
Iowa needs to be removed as the first caucus in the nation. They are clueless.
scotash on November 18, 2011 at 3:25 AM
To clarify what I said earlier about the Republican Party being obsolete, I meant if they continue down the path they’ve been on. Personally I would prefer they chose to reform.
FloatingRock on November 18, 2011 at 3:58 AM
Well the real story should be that Cain is still on top. At least Ron is smarter than a fifth grader on the issues, Cain just needs to end his presidential campaign and continue his book tour.
LevStrauss on November 18, 2011 at 5:59 AM
The neoconservatives aren’t going to allow him to win. Doing so would be the end of their highly profitable crusades in the middle east.
We’ve always been at war with Eastasia and the party will keep it that way.
popularpeoplesfront on November 18, 2011 at 10:35 AM