Awww: Protests featuring rape-free zones somehow less popular than the Tea Party

posted at 11:35 am on November 16, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Looks like the party’s over — and I’m not talking about the Tea Party.  Democratic pollster PPP’s new national survey shows support dropping dramatically for the Occupy movement.  In fact, it now ranks below the national support for the much-maligned conservative grassroots movement:

The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement’s support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street’s goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

Voters don’t care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed.  But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.

It’s not the only movement in PPP’s polling that favors conservatives, either:

The Republicans’ leader in Congress has far better favor with voters, but is still quite unpopular.  Speaker John Boehner gets the nod from 30% of Americans and a thumb’s down from 46%, a five-point improvement from 27-48 last month.

If voters had to choose between the candidates of these two hated parties on their congressional ballot, they would tie at 45%, a three-point improvement for the GOP from a 45-42 Democratic advantage last month.

Why have opinions shifted so dramatically in regard to OWS and the Tea Party?  The media coverage began to shift as the crowds got more out of control.  Instead of talking about income inequality, media outlets were forced by circumstance to cover violence in Oakland and New York.  The establishment of “rape-free zones” and the pressure on victims to refuse to cooperate with police became big stories, and those provided an entree to more media scrutiny of the use of funding in the movement, other violent episodes in the camps, and the general lack of a coherent agenda besides squatters’ rights.

Their sample certainly should have tilted this survey in favor of the Occupiers.  Democrats comprise a ridiculous 41% of the sample, with Republicans slightly oversampled at 36% and independents far undersampled at 23%.  In a sample weighted to the turnout model shown in 2010 exit polling, the Tea Party would actually lead OWS 44/35, and the generic Congressional ballot would be 46/42 for Republicans.  On the better/worse question comparing the House GOP to its Democrat-controlled predecessor, the PPP split of 37/41 favoring the Pelosi-led 111th House would become 37/39.

As I wrote yesterday, the Occupiers have lost control of the narrative, thanks to their own excesses that even a friendly media could no longer ignore.  They claim that they will move on to a new phase of the movement, but since the only coherent agenda they ever produced was squatting on public and private property, it’s difficult to see what improvement a Phase II could possibly bring.

Fear not, though, for the true believers, for they will remain as delusional as ever. Here’s one explaining that the Occupy Movement is more important than the civil-rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s:

Reality-based, huh? With sanctimony like this, who’d have guessed that the Occupy movement would become unpopular?

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“It has everything to do with humanity.”

Huh? In what way? Demanding money from those who work harder and longer hours than you is not humane. It’s selfish and lazy.

Doughboy on November 16, 2011 at 11:39 AM

I LOVE THE MEDIA IN THE COUNTRY! Only with their handiwork could you have the TEA PARTY poll anywhere near a bunch of lawless, lazy, spoiled, never paid a dime in tax hippies sitting around defacating and raping each other all day!

DRINK THE KOOL AIR AMERICA!

SDarchitect on November 16, 2011 at 11:40 AM

The banner, to forbid capitalism from anyone’s choice to practice, I don’t see capitalists carrying banners forbidding communism for communists.

maverick muse on November 16, 2011 at 11:40 AM

As I wrote yesterday, the Occupiers have lost control of the narrative, thanks to their own excesses that even a friendly media could no longer ignore.

Even then, the OWSers I chatted with keep saying the media is the cause of their drop in support. They believe the media (or as they put it, the “corporate media”) only focused on the “few idiots” within the protest ranks. Unfortunately, there were far more than a “few”.

For the life of me I still can’t understand what these people hoped to accomplish by camping out indefinitely.

JetBoy on November 16, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Shhhh, don’t tell that to the lsm. They are still praising these idiots

cmsinaz on November 16, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Instead of talking about income inequality, media outlets were forced by circumstance to cover violence in Oakland and New York.

Now they are going to be forced to explain why the guy taking potshots at the White House had been hangin’ at Occupy DC.

forest on November 16, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Uh huh.

It’s just like the Rosa Parks story… but with fecal matter!!

JohnGalt23 on November 16, 2011 at 11:42 AM

I feel like I’m living in the twilight zone. The tea party barely has higher numbers than the OWS trash/haters? I know it’s pointless to complain about the fossil media, but try as we might our “new” media just can’t compete.Look at the crazy polls and Obama’s numbers?I don’t have a good feeling about this.

sandee on November 16, 2011 at 11:44 AM

They’re just ordinary people…safety issues is just a ruse to quash their first amendment rights
-lib talking head

cmsinaz on November 16, 2011 at 11:45 AM

That 33% don’t under “Vibrant Urbanism” and the rape-zones which exist outside the rape-free zones.

Also, portable shanty towns are cool.

Demosthenes on November 16, 2011 at 11:45 AM

That 45%*

Demosthenes on November 16, 2011 at 11:47 AM

What if you threw a Revolution and nobody came.

ronsfi on November 16, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street’s goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

Still a bunch of shnooks. Why does it take them so long to catch on?

lynncgb on November 16, 2011 at 11:50 AM

As I wrote yesterday, the Occupiers have lost control of the narrative, thanks to their own excesses that even a friendly media could no longer ignore.

what, in fact, was their narrative again…? oh wait, there really wasn’t one..hahaha

ted c on November 16, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Obamaville’s.

Brother can you spare a dime?

Tim_CA on November 16, 2011 at 11:53 AM

What if you threw a Revolution and nobody came.

ronsfi on November 16, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Heh. You said “Revolution.”

davidk on November 16, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Shows the limits of the MSM’s propaganda.

blue13326 on November 16, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals,

33% < 99%

What am I missing here? Why do they speak for people who don't support them?

Greek Fire on November 16, 2011 at 11:54 AM

“Just wait until the 17th! Then you’ll see what a molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s!”
“They got missiles, we got bombs!”

I can’t imagine why that’s not a more popular sentiment…

Abby Adams on November 16, 2011 at 11:54 AM

“Head ‘em up, move ‘em out!”

mojo on November 16, 2011 at 11:56 AM

The TEA Party numbers still suck.

This country generally recoils at mass political gatherings.

mankai on November 16, 2011 at 11:56 AM

the only coherent agenda they ever produced was squatting

You got that right.

hillbillyjim on November 16, 2011 at 11:57 AM

“It has everything to do with humanity.”

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Notice that it was cut short… to continue the thought… “and free stuff!”
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RalphyBoy on November 16, 2011 at 11:57 AM

“But if you go carrying pictures if Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow.”

mankai on November 16, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Snort.

scalleywag on November 16, 2011 at 11:58 AM

“…far more important. It has nothing to do with designation, class (you got that right), gender (we do all kinds of rape rapes), anything. It has everything to do with humanity FREE STUFF.”

redzap on November 16, 2011 at 11:59 AM

To hear Maddow tell it, why, the Occupy Movement is just about ready to sweep the nation and bring back the glory days of the sixties…

…she was particularly revolting this morning with her Berzerkley nonsense.

hillbillyjim on November 16, 2011 at 12:00 PM

The tea partiers didn’t care enough about women to have rape free zones. Obviously, that means every woman was at risk everywhere at their rallies.

a capella on November 16, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Or put another way, Americans don’t like communism all that much after all.

angryed on November 16, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Hypocritical thugs not very well-liked. Shocka.

SouthernGent on November 16, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Occupy Mom’s Basement Again!!!

(Hint: You might have to give up your bongos.)

hillbillyjim on November 16, 2011 at 12:02 PM

“… it’s difficult to see what improvement a Phase II could possibly bring.”

Violent protests, destruction of property, union bullhorns and chants, fawning media reports…

… See Ed, it’s not that difficult at all.

/

Seven Percent Solution on November 16, 2011 at 12:06 PM

“But if you go carrying pictures if Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow.”

mankai on November 16, 2011 at 11:57 AM

So not true…

JohnGalt23 on November 16, 2011 at 12:07 PM

They claim that they will move on to a new phase of the movement, but since the only coherent agenda they ever produced was squatting on public and private property, it’s difficult to see what improvement a Phase II could possibly bring.

Violence

Sugarbuzz on November 16, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Looks like the party’s over — and I’m not talking about the Tea Party.

..heard one of those startling-yet-obvious statistics commented on the other day: The Tea Party demonstrations were FAR better attended than the Occupy Sewage-Ins. Think about it! 5,000, 10,000, 20,0000, even up to more than 100,000 demonstrators versus probably 1-2,000 camping out in squalor in parks and town squares across the country.

Given the state of affairs after each type of demonstration, municipalities might have better served themselves if they had cleared out the Obamavilles and let out permits to Tea Party organizations afterwards.

Probably saved some righteous bucks on clean-up costs.

The War Planner on November 16, 2011 at 12:14 PM

The tea partiers didn’t care enough about women to have rape free zones. Obviously, that means every woman was at risk everywhere at their rallies.

a capella on November 16, 2011 at 12:00 PM

I know there’s an implied sarc tag in your comment, but just think about the concept of a “rape-free zone”. This means to the Occupy crowd, that anywhere outside those zones it was perfectly acceptable to bend someone over and have your way with them.

Of course, of course. This is how American society is structured.

The War Planner on November 16, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Rape free zones, lol.

The rapists are standing around saying things like, “That girl is hot. If she steps across that line I’m taking her down.”

jeffn21 on November 16, 2011 at 12:23 PM

I’m simply astounded that Americans prefer the Pelosi congress to our current congress. I suppose that the sheer ignorance of the American populace, the brutal propagandizing by the media and the overweight welfare state are to blame. There is no logical reason why the current House would earn lower marks.

I mean, all they’ve done is push back a tinsy bit on the spending. Sure, it was a huge ordeal in the media, but the actual effect of their actions was almost nil.

Can anyone explain to me the rationale behind

the PPP split of 37/41 favoring the Pelosi-led 111th House would become 37/39.

?

preallocated on November 16, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Here’s one explaining that the Occupy Movement is more important than the civil-rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s:

OBVIOUSLY, THE REPORTER MISUNDERSTOOD:

…and wrote “important” instead of impotent!

landlines on November 16, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Now they are going to be forced to explain why the guy taking potshots at the White House had been hangin’ at Occupy DC.

Because he’s one of them hateful, RAAAAAACIST, Tea Partiers, of course!

What? That’s not logical, since he was hanging out with Occupiers? When, in the last 40+ years has logic been part of the MSM narritave?

crazy_legs on November 16, 2011 at 12:28 PM

The War Planner on November 16, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Amazing, isn’t it? I’m still having trouble wrapping my mind around the fact this is even an issue in today’s society. Women can’t freely assemble and mix with men at certain political protests without fear of sexual assault. Is it regression to Egyptian standards or just the progressive commie attitude of community property? I generally don’t get angry on these blogs, but, this really has me steamed. What have we become?

a capella on November 16, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Are you Occupied? There is help.

bloggless on November 16, 2011 at 12:30 PM

The tea partiers didn’t care enough about women to have rape free zones. Obviously, that means every woman was at risk everywhere at their rallies.

a capella on November 16, 2011 at 12:00 PM

I know there’s an implied sarc tag in your comment, but just think about the concept of a “rape-free zone”. This means to the Occupy crowd, that anywhere outside those zones it was perfectly acceptable to bend someone over and have your way with them.

Of course, of course. This is how American society is structured.

The War Planner on November 16, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Rape free zones, lol.

The rapists are standing around saying things like, “That girl is hot. If she steps across that line I’m taking her down.”

jeffn21 on November 16, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Ok, it doesn’t always have to be women who are raped. Penn State needed to be a “Rape Free Zone.”

PrettyD_Vicious on November 16, 2011 at 12:35 PM

People are getting tired of listening to the OWS mantra of “gimme…gimme….gimme….”

GarandFan on November 16, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but the last time I checked, I don’t seem to recall any Tea Party members taking a dump in the street or on doorsteps, raping women in tents, or threatening to throw Molotov cocktails into Macy’s.

pilamaye on November 16, 2011 at 1:00 PM

OWS is just like the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s,, minus minorities, non violence, squatting on private, and public property, defecating in public, destroying private property, assault, rape, robbery……other than that it’s just like the Civil Rights movement, oh yeah except they have no coherent message or discernible leadership.

Dr Evil on November 16, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Take any PPP poll with a grain of salt-even if one particular poll seems to favor a conservative position or personality.

They’re all Daily Kostard push polls designed to ultimately serve the lib-left narrative.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on November 16, 2011 at 1:19 PM

I just don’t get why OWS isn’t more popular, especially after this group endorsed them. /

Dr Evil on November 16, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Outside the “Rape-Free” zones it’s all one big Rape Zone in the Obamavilles. The camps can be justifiably called “Rape Camps”.

theCork on November 16, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Outside the “Rape-Free” zones it’s all one big Rape Zone in the Obamavilles. The camps can be justifiably called “Rape Camps”.

theCork on November 16, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Kind of like when Iraq was under the rule of Saddam Hussein also a socialist.

Dr Evil on November 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM

As I wrote yesterday, the Occupiers have lost control of the narrative, thanks to their own excesses that even a friendly media could no longer ignore.

True. On the other hand, those excesses come in handy if you want to paint the picture of domestic unrest.

But that would be paranoid. After all, no one connected to the Obama administration has ever said, “Never let a good crisis go to waste.” Or called for a federal police force just as strong as the military.

tom on November 16, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Please stop saying these OWS people are hippies.
Hippies are disgusting, smelly, dirty, loathsome creatures.
The OWS people are worse than hippies.

mechkiller_k on November 16, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Just wait until the 17th! Then you’ll see what a molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s!

Are they planning to attack the Thanksgiving Day Macy’s parade? Sounds like a terrorist threat to me! Why isn’t DHS knocking down some doors…oh wait, because DHS is busy with the real terrorists, the Tea Party!/

Go back to mommy and daddy’s basement little boys and girls, you’re way out of your league especially when you threaten true American patriots like us true 99%ers cause’ we’re not pseudo American’s or patriots like you whiney thumbsucking parasites…but most importantly…we’re armed!

Liberty or Death on November 16, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Get Soros to sponsor a ‘public relations‘ campaign for OWS.

That’ll bring the public back around, again.

listens2glenn on November 16, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Ok, it doesn’t always have to be women who are raped. Penn State needed to be a “Rape Free Zone.”

PrettyD_Vicious on November 16, 2011 at 12:35 PM

OUCH!
That smarts. : O

listens2glenn on November 16, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Outside the “Rape-Free” zones it’s all one big Rape Zone in the Obamavilles. The camps can be justifiably called “Rape Camps”.

theCork on November 16, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Kind of like when Iraq was under the rule of Saddam Hussein also a socialist.

Dr Evil on November 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM

I’m willing to bet that there weren’t any rape-rapes, though. They were either drug-assisted (e.g.; the nice kind of rape) or simple horsing around.

Conservatives are just too uptight sometimes, and just don’t see things clearly.

BobMbx on November 16, 2011 at 5:33 PM