Cain’s campaign on Libya gaffe: He had four hours of sleep last night and was taken out of context

posted at 10:15 pm on November 14, 2011 by Allahpundit

Good enough?

“The video is being taken out of context,” said spokesman JD Gordon. “He was taking questions for about 30 to 40 minutes on four hours of sleep. He didn’t say anything wrong or in accurate; it just took him a while to recall the specifics of Libya.”

Gordon added, “It just took him a while to gain his bearings.”

The clip was posted unedited by the Journal-Sentinel so I don’t know what context he thinks was missing. Is there some context that would explain why he needed the editorial board to remind him whether Obama is pro- or anti-Qaddafi? Because I’m thinking pretty much every one of our readers could nail that detail even on three hours’ sleep.

According to Andrew Rafferty of NBC News, “When I asked Cain if today’s Libya gaffe builds on idea he doesn’t have in depth knowledge of foreign policy, he simply said, ’999′”. Not a joke.

I guess we’ll be okay as long as President Cain never gets a phone call at 3 a.m. The irony of today’s supergaffe is that I think it’ll do him much less harm among primary voters generally than the harassment charges have, even though his hair-raising vagueness on key foreign-policy details is much more certain than whether he did anything to his accusers. Only political junkies will see the Libya clip; thanks to Gloria Allred, everyone’s seen the Bialek presser. ABC’s out with a new poll tonight, in fact, showing Cain’s favorable rating now stands at 29/44, a steep drop from last month’s rating of 31/27. That’s a poll of adults, not of voters, but don’t forget that Rasmussen also found his favorables underwater at 37/51 in a poll of likely voters last week. Barring some revelation that Bialek and Allred set him up somehow, I don’t know how he turns that around. His biggest political asset has always been his charm; once that’s been neutralized to the point where people are about as favorable to him as they are to Gingrich, what reason is left to vote for him over Newt?

Actually, the most damning poll against him is our own, I think. As a commenter in the last thread said, if he’s lost the Cain fans at HA, there can’t be much room left for him among the base. And maybe he’s starting to realize it: According to his spokesman, the reason Cain was in Wisconsin today instead of on the trail in Iowa was because he wanted to go to the Packers game. Exit quotation: “We’re here to tailgate.”

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KingGold on November 14, 2011 at 10:54 PM

So are you with Newt all the way? Or are you going to jump ship when he inevitably gaffes too? They all stumble and besides that’s not what Herman Cain is about anyway. His message is clear and simple for anyone wanting to hear it. He’s a problem solver. He gathers facts and consults people before he makes decisions. It’s how he’s run his businesses and he’s been very successful. So it’s either you get that about Cain or you don’t. If you don’t, you write snarky posts like Allahpundit about nothing. It’s nothing. You all are making it out to be life our death that this guy took time to gather his thoughts. Ridiculous!

Thankfully, most people are not political junkies like we are and will respond to his simple message of getting this economy roaring! Who else is talking about outgrowing China? That’s what I want to hear.

milemarker2020 on November 14, 2011 at 11:03 PM

Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich to the rescue!

MeatHeadinCA on November 14, 2011 at 11:03 PM

I support one of these men’s candidacies, and am excited by the other’s… and that sentence instilled, even in me, a sense of dread.

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2011 at 11:04 PM

The Cainiacs here certainly have much better mnanners than Perrykrishnas.
I didn’t see all this unholy glee Saturday.

katy the mean old lady on November 14, 2011 at 11:04 PM

Doughboy on November 14, 2011 at 11:03 PM

Say it ain’t so! Doughboy! You are off the Cain Train? God! You conservatives are something else…

milemarker2020 on November 14, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Supporting Perry in the vain notion that he’ll somehow overcome being despised by both the base and the establishment and pull out a victory seems a waste of time.

KingGold on November 14, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Sorry, the base never despised Perry.

Perry did an initial poor job selling his record upon entering the race, which was made more difficult with “Gardasil” Bachmann shrieking on his left and “Texas Dream Act” Santorum pontificating on his right, while Romney was kicking him in the gonads with “Perry will take away your Social Security”.

It also didn’t help that right-wing bloggers like Michelle Malkin, who should know better, set upon Perry with a frenzy that was never shown to even Romney and made him out to be the most liberal and corrupt politician America has ever seen – probably even more than Obama.

Did you expect his approval to remain high when his only means of defense was a debate format he wasn’t comfortable in?

Thank God Perry and his team are fighting back! He is getting his second look and he will win.

Sorry, you can’t force Romney down our throats. The lawn gnome is preferable. Want Patrick to try that out in his next poll?

TheRightMan on November 14, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Please stop with the “Romney is inevitable” BS. This time in 2007, it was “Gulianni is inevitable”. Unfortunately, for as a lame a RINO as Rudy was, somehow an even bigger RINO got picked.

Now, though, the RINOs and establishment have gone one better, they’ve declared the 2012 McCain to be the inevitable candidate.

Someone remind me again of just exactly what you think a President Romney will do to roll back government destruction of our liberty? Even with a Republican congress? Especially if some of you numbskulls decide that we need (R)’s and need to stop with the requirement that they also be conservative. Question for you geniuses with that mindset — How helpful will 4 or 5 more Maine Sisters, Grahamnesty’s and Spectres be in getting statism stalled and rolled back? [Hint, the answer starts at "not very" and goes downhill from there]

AZfederalist on November 14, 2011 at 11:06 PM

The Cainiacs here certainly have much better mnanners than Perrykrishnas.
I didn’t see all this unholy glee Saturday.

katy the mean old lady on November 14, 2011 at 11:04 PM

??????

I think you might be referring to the debate on Wednesday, when Perry flailed. I know… they’re starting to run together, aren’t they?

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2011 at 11:06 PM

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Only deranged Perry-haters here think Perry has a “dangerous Israel” stance, ROFLOL! Nice try.

Aslans Girl on November 14, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Actually that critique was from no one here, byt rather from someone who knows whereof he speaks:
“The reality is that military budgets are planned on multiyear cycles. Friends don’t rethink their friendships each fiscal year. The Pentagon and the IDF are tied together ’round the clock with hotlines and early-warning alert centers. I helped set up the hotline from the defense secretary’s Pentagon office to the defense minister’s Tel Aviv headquarters. It conveys the constancy and consistency of the alliance, a special relationship.”

But I’m certainly willing to hear you draw from your experience to explain why that isn’t so.

Even the Republican Jewish Council noted Perry’s ignorance, saying it wished Perry’s handlers would explain the “10-year Memorandum of Understanding that governs US-Israel funding levels” to him.

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Thanks for participating Herm. We have a lovely parting gift for you.

johnboy on November 14, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Slaptick Rick for his even more dangerous Israel stance?

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 10:49 PM

That’s just wrong. Newt agreed with Perry. Perry clearly said they all start at zero, which they should, but that Israel is a special ally to the U.S. No candidate has been more of a friend to Israel that Perry. Israel has no fear of a Rick Perry presidency.

btw, A great speech by Perry today from TheRightScoop: http://www.therightscoop.com/rick-perry-announces-plan-to-uproot-all-three-branches-of-government/

kerrhome on November 14, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Romney is easily manipulated. He wouldn’t be a disaster with a conservative congress.

Ronnie on November 14, 2011 at 10:37 PM

We don’t have a conservative congress, nor will we after 12 even if R’s take both houses.

FloatingRock on November 14, 2011 at 11:08 PM

I was once a Cain supporter. No more.

Perry time.

blatantblue on November 14, 2011 at 11:09 PM

I can’t speak for Allah, but there are undeniable similarities between Palin and Cain. Both are terrific on the stump. They’re each self-made individuals who are good at articulating conservative principles. They’re both hated by the Democrats and media(I know, I’m being redundant). They’re both beloved by a large segment of the conservative and Tea Party base. And most importantly, they were both thrust into the national spotlight before truly being ready for this.

Doughboy on November 14, 2011 at 11:03 PM

What is “conservative” about being for collective bargaining? Being pro-choice while being pro-life? Wanting aff!rmative action-type “empowerment zones” where some people are more equal than others? Not wanting the Fed audited? I would also say that a principle of conservatives is being informed and Cain is anything but. Cain is just not that conservative.

Aslans Girl on November 14, 2011 at 11:09 PM

**facepalm**

paul ryan. why did you abandon your country when we needed you most?

sbvft contributor on November 14, 2011 at 11:09 PM

So are you with Newt all the way? Or are you going to jump ship when he inevitably gaffes too? They all stumble and besides that’s not what Herman Cain is about anyway. His message is clear and simple for anyone wanting to hear it. He’s a problem solver. He gathers facts and consults people before he makes decisions.

milemarker2020 on November 14, 2011 at 11:03 PM

Has Newt made any gaffes since the Paul Ryan incident? That was 6 months ago and he’s been solid ever since. And I disagree that Cain is clear and simple. What’s his position on abortion? I still don’t know for certain if he’s only personally pro-life or if that would be the policy of his administration. Does he support a woman’s right to have an abortion in the case of rape or incest or not?

What is his alternative if 9-9-9 can’t get passed in Congress(and it won’t)? How would he balance the budget, especially since he’s refused to say if he’d eliminate any agencies as President? Does he in fact know that China’s a nuclear power? Does he support waterboarding?

He’s gonna get asked these kinds of questions on a daily basis as the GOP nominee. And just like Perry’s inability to debate, I’ve come to believe that Cain just does not have it in him to master these issues and speak about them in a clear and concise manner. There’s too much at stake in 2012 to be gambling on a neophyte who seems disinterested in studying up on this stuff. Say what you will about Newt or Romney, but they’re ready for this. They’ve had no fatal gaffes thus far. The same cannot be said about Cain.

Doughboy on November 14, 2011 at 11:10 PM

I was once a Cain supporter. No more.

Perry time.

blatantblue on November 14, 2011 at 11:09 PM

Nah, I’m with Allah. Brokered Convention!

Lance Murdock on November 14, 2011 at 11:11 PM

Well.

Now we’re down to Romney and………..uh, Newt?

Perry seemingly done but with some money to spend. Cain on the downswing. No others of note with any chance.

Just wait until we “rediscover” Newt on the couch with Nan, divorcing his sick wife from the hospital waiting room, the mind blowing jewelry tab he has running, etc. What then?

JoeinTX on November 14, 2011 at 11:11 PM

I support one of these men’s candidacies, and am excited by the other’s… and that sentence instilled, even in me, a sense of dread.

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2011 at 11:04 PM

:/

Like it or not, those two are the two in the field that seem to read the news, understand Friedman, understand conservatism’s core philosophy, and attempt to make the case.

MeatHeadinCA on November 14, 2011 at 11:12 PM

kerrhome on November 14, 2011 at 11:08 PM
rick-perry-announces-plan-to-uproot-all-three-branches-of-government

When I saw the “three branches” in that web address it did provide me a fine case of the giggles. Thanks!

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:13 PM

Lance Murdock on November 14, 2011 at 11:01 PM

I never said any such thing. Quit with the straw man argument and address what I actually said. I support Cain because I hate Washington. It’s a cesspool. The people running for office like Romney or Gingrich don’t want to change it, they want to either get in on the action or manage it better by tweaking it at the edges. But there’s one person in this field so far that understands you can’t tweak this.

The system is broken and you need someone with a totally different skill set to address it. Cain is not a politician, so he’s not going to be polished. But what he is, is a business man put into many difficult situations, where his executive skills enabled him to solve problems. IF you listen to Cain’s approach, it’s what is missing in Washington. People in Washington take a political point of view of what can get past, not what actually solves the problem.

We need a game changer from the American people in 2012 that will be unmistakeable. Sending Herman Cain, a true CEO to the White House, against all the odds, being a black conservative, etc., would be an earthquake! And our country would be better for it. We will finally get the change we need to get this country off the road headed for a cliff today.

milemarker2020 on November 14, 2011 at 11:13 PM

What is “conservative” about being for collective bargaining? Being pro-choice while being pro-life? Wanting aff!rmative action-type “empowerment zones” where some people are more equal than others? Not wanting the Fed audited? I would also say that a principle of conservatives is being informed and Cain is anything but. Cain is just not that conservative.

Aslans Girl on November 14, 2011 at 11:09 PM

Based on Cain going to Wisconsin to speak at that Tea Party rally, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on collective bargaining. The rest of the issues you cited I think are honestly a case of him just not having been prepared to discuss them in detail. Cain’s a conservative. He just happens to be one who hasn’t done the necessary homework when seeking the highest office in the land.

Doughboy on November 14, 2011 at 11:14 PM

TheRightMan on November 14, 2011 at 10:59 PM

Yes, you win oh great one. Romney people meet in secret and devise strategies for how to create chaos on blog threads. We promoted Cain first and now Gingrich, it is all apart of our master plan to deprive the world of the truly great Rick Perry. Perrys brilliance radiates brighter then then sun and we know, if the voters catch on, if they look past his debate gaffes (also part of our master plan)that act as dark shadows on his otherwise perfect countenance we would be doomed. But now, you have exposed us, you have called us into the light. Nothing escapes your brilliance, consider me and other Romney supporters caught.

nswider on November 14, 2011 at 11:14 PM

TheRightMan on November 14, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Seriously.

If you ask nicely, I’m sure Erick will let you write some front-page articles. Then it will get lots of comments by other people who think polls are for strippers and that all of the non-Perry candidates are poopypantses.

Look. It’s one thing to support Perry. It’s quite another to do so at the expense of reality. At least acknowledge that Perry’s got to cash in on about three or four miracles, and somehow erase the awful impression he’s left in the minds of the base. Yes, the base. The base that hates him.

KingGold on November 14, 2011 at 11:14 PM

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:08 PM

And who is he supporting for president? My guess is Romney. Sorry, I don’t trust the source. There are too many other people that agree with Perry on this and heard Perry say that Israel funding would move up quickly based on our relationship. Did you miss that in the debate. Perry has been a true friend of Israel, vising not too far back. Here is a great recent article: http://www.forward.com/articles/143670/

kerrhome on November 14, 2011 at 11:15 PM

What is his alternative if 9-9-9 can’t get passed in Congress(and it won’t)?

Doughboy on November 14, 2011 at 11:10 PM

No candidate is going to offer an alternative to their signature plan. That would be political suicide and give the impression of both less than solid support for what they are proposing and provide their opponents, both in the election and after, with a starting point for compromise.

Your parenthetical statement amounts to abject surrender of a proposal before it is even submitted.

AZfederalist on November 14, 2011 at 11:15 PM

I’m determined to ride out the fall on the short bus….. or die trying.

On a more serious note, its nice to have someone who makes Perry seem like a genius.

El_Terrible on November 14, 2011 at 11:15 PM

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:13 PM

Ah good, glad you are here to debate on substance. Mature and useful.

kerrhome on November 14, 2011 at 11:15 PM

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:13 PM

Try listening to the speech. Even TRS, a former Cain supporter (until today), had great things to say about it. Are you scared to listen to it as it might make sense?

kerrhome on November 14, 2011 at 11:16 PM

Is there some context that would explain why he needed the editorial board to remind him whether Obama is pro- or anti-Qaddafi?

Not excusing Cain’s woeful performance, but frankly, since Obama’s buddies Calypso Louie and Rev. wright were BFF’s with Qaddafi, I’m not really too sure where The Won actually did stand on that. Actually.

bofh on November 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Doughboy on November 14, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Gingrich has been gaffing all year. You are so focus on Cain’s “missteps” that you forget how inept Gingrich himself sounded about Libya back when that war began. And there are other things as well that a quick google search would reveal. But that’s not my point. My point is it’s silly to quit on a candidate or suggest it’s over for a candidate based on something so trivial. Cain is out there everyday delivering his message and ultimately that is what is going to take him to the White House. This day by day accounting of gaffes is really trivial.

If gaffes told the tale, Obama wouldn’t be in the White House today. Remember Joe the Plumber? Remember his own interview with an editorial board just before the vote where it was reveal he suggested “energy prices would necessarily skyrocket” with his cap and trade plan. Those were suppose to sink him among other things and he still won. It’s about message. Cain knows this. There’s plenty of campaign left before we can go on and make conclusive pronouncements. Especially given how fickle you conservatives are.

milemarker2020 on November 14, 2011 at 11:20 PM

I’m determined to ride out the fall on the short bus….. or die trying.

On a more serious note, its nice to have someone who makes Perry seem like a genius.

El_Terrible on November 14, 2011 at 11:15 PM

You know, my 10 year old son is autistic and diabetic and rides a “short bus”. I love my son. You are just an idiot for using images like that. They do not further the discussion. Fool.

kerrhome on November 14, 2011 at 11:22 PM

And who is he supporting for president? My guess is Romney.
kerrhome on November 14, 2011 at 11:15 PM

I don’t care if he’s supporting Luke Huntsman. The challenge is in trying to refute the argument, rather than just shooting messengers.

In fact, Perry’s rejection of the 10-year funding agreement with Israel (runs to 2018) puts him to the left of even Obama on Israel.

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:22 PM

OMG How “UNpresidential”!!

/sarcOFF

JUST LIKE ANY of the last dozen Presidents would stumble without a cadre of advisors to help fill in the blanks and offer counsel…….Is that not why we hired them? To surround themselves with advisors?………perhumps with the exception of Reagan or Slick Willie…………….who both always seemed to field well on their own…….

Still a Cain fan……………but these gotcha scenarios are gonna kill his chances…….Newt is definitely the smoothest overall – will he overcome his baggage?

only time will tell………..

Katfish on November 14, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Is there some context that would explain why he needed the editorial board to remind him whether Obama is pro- or anti-Qaddafi?

Not excusing Cain’s woeful performance, but frankly, since Obama’s buddies Calypso Louie and Rev. wright were BFF’s with Qaddafi, I’m not really too sure where The Won actually did stand on that. Actually.
bofh on November 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Wasn’t one of the criticisms of Obama on Libya that he offered no clear position? Just kind of a Romney-ish waffling at best?

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:24 PM

I think you might be referring to the debate on Wednesday, when Perry flailed. I know… they’re starting to run together, aren’t they?

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2011 at 11:06 PM

God, yes. I’ve made apledge to stop watching these joke “debates”.

katy the mean old lady on November 14, 2011 at 11:26 PM

milemarker2020 on November 14, 2011 at 11:13 PM

If you want a CEO President, then vote for Romney. But please, we do not need another on the job training President…again. It’s disaster now, it would be a disaster if Cain were Prez. You think ‘catchy soundbites’ are what a ‘True Conservative’ only needs, then my friend you really need to reevalute your beliefs.

Lance Murdock on November 14, 2011 at 11:27 PM

Nah, I’m with Allah. Brokered Convention!

Lance Murdock on November 14, 2011 at 11:11 PM

Not

Gonna

Happen.

Every four years, there’s talk of a brokered convention. And every four years, the nomination is decided by Opening Day.

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2011 at 11:29 PM

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2011 at 11:29 PM

Oh, I know. But I can dream can’t I.

Lance Murdock on November 14, 2011 at 11:32 PM

So, uh….Jindal 2012?

Looking pretty good now, huh?

BTW, how stupid does T-Paw feel for bailing too early?

Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2011 at 11:37 PM

I will admit that I also “lost my head” when I first heard the question and would have started thinking about Obama’s policies (or lack there of) in Iraq instead of Libya.

That said it took me less then 15 secs to realize my mistake and could give at least a coherent answer as to NO why I would not support his involvement in Libya.

Does anyone else feel like a Hippty Hop?

F15Mech on November 14, 2011 at 11:38 PM

So, uh….Jindal 2012?

Looking pretty good now, huh?

BTW, how stupid does T-Paw feel for bailing too early?

Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2011 at 11:37 PM

Jindal already endorsed Perry.

Knucklehead on November 14, 2011 at 11:38 PM

So, uh….Jindal 2012?
Looking pretty good now, huh?
BTW, how stupid does T-Paw feel for bailing too early?
Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2011 at 11:37 PM

Nah, they would be in the same single digit territory as Perry; governors who may do okay in their home states but just don’t have what it takes to play in the big leagues.

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:40 PM

Jindal already endorsed Perry.

Knucklehead on November 14, 2011 at 11:38 PM

Yeah, but he’s less gaffe prone, and he doesn’t suffer from the “oh look, another white good old boy” syndrome that Perry unfortunately has to deal with. It would be harder to paint Jindal as the 3rd Dubya term, though I’m sure they’d try.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2011 at 11:43 PM

Nah, they would be in the same single digit territory as Perry; governors who may do okay in their home states but just don’t have what it takes to play in the big leagues.

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:40 PM

Doubt it. We’re down to relying on either Mr. Flip-Flop or Mr. Establishment. I love me some Newt, but for an electorate that was DESPERATE for someone anti-establishment, “unconventional,” against the grain, it’s amazing that we might actually galvanize around Newt.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2011 at 11:44 PM

Jindal already endorsed Perry.
Knucklehead on November 14, 2011 at 11:38 PM

Yeah, but he’s less gaffe prone, and he doesn’t suffer from the “oh look, another white good old boy” syndrome that Perry unfortunately has to deal with. It would be harder to paint Jindal as the 3rd Dubya term, though I’m sure they’d try.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2011 at 11:43 PM

He has the same problem as Pawlenty – tediously boring with no discernible personality.

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:46 PM

We’re down to relying on either Mr. Flip-Flop or Mr. Establishment.
Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2011 at 11:44 PM

And we could get both, it’s a ticket for two, afterall.

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:47 PM

Yeah, but he’s less gaffe prone, and he doesn’t suffer from the “oh look, another white good old boy” syndrome that Perry unfortunately has to deal with. It would be harder to paint Jindal as the 3rd Dubya term, though I’m sure they’d try.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2011 at 11:43 PM

What does that say about a man’s integrity? To endorse someone on national television and then jump into the race? And what about the passed deadlines for filing to get on the ballot?

Knucklehead on November 14, 2011 at 11:49 PM

Aslans Girl on November 14, 2011 at 10:17 PM
Exactly.
OT: The TSO show was awesome!

annoyinglittletwerp on November 14, 2011 at 11:53 PM

Jindal’s happy being governor of LA.
He’ll be president…someday

annoyinglittletwerp on November 14, 2011 at 11:54 PM

In fact, Perry’s rejection of the 10-year funding agreement with Israel (runs to 2018) puts him to the left of even Obama on Israel.

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:22 PM

But you sit there and act like he didn’t have a comment after he said it included Israel. Only politically dishonest hacks believe Perry wouldn’t support Israel at the same exact funding level. No honest conservative believes that. It’s just dishonest. He said they’d all start at 0 but Israel is a special ally and would move up quickly. That is why I shoot the messenger (write of that article). It is simply absurd. Even people that don’t like Perry on twitter and other sites get this. Waste of time.

kerrhome on November 14, 2011 at 11:55 PM

whatcat on November 14, 2011 at 11:47 PM

No way, Romney wouldn’t let Newt upstage him as VPOTUS, and Newt wouldn’t want a RINO as his VP.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM

Jindal’s happy being governor of LA.
He’ll be president…someday

annoyinglittletwerp on November 14, 2011 at 11:54 PM

If we are a lucky nation.

kerrhome on November 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM

What does that say about a man’s integrity? To endorse someone on national television and then jump into the race? And what about the passed deadlines for filing to get on the ballot?

Knucklehead on November 14, 2011 at 11:49 PM

I’m not saying he’d come into the race now, but I wish he would have declared sooner.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM

According to Andrew Rafferty of NBC News, “When I asked Cain if today’s Libya gaffe builds on idea he doesn’t have in depth knowledge of foreign policy, he simply said, ’999′”. Not a joke.

Maybe Cain was making a play on words. “Nein nein nein.” *shrug*

OneGyT on November 14, 2011 at 11:57 PM

of course, stock excuse # 3

chasdal on November 14, 2011 at 11:59 PM

Yeah thats the ticket….I only got four hours of sleep…yeah that’s it…

Political Chef on November 14, 2011 at 11:59 PM

“The Cainiacs here certainly have much better mnanners than Perrykrishnas.
I didn’t see all this unholy glee Saturday.

katy the mean old lady on November 14, 2011 at 11:04 PM”

Yes, well the Perry people seem hell bent on acting like Ronulans. I didn’t want Perry to drop out, I want him to fight. I want him to tell me he is going to seal the borders and take away incentives for illegals to come here. Let Mexico take care of their citizens for once. I want a President who looks out for
the United States and its citizens first. You want your candidate to win, by all means write them and tell them to step it up.

Btw, you people making fun of Jake Huntsmoms name should be ashamed of yourselves!!! Joe Scarborogh loves the guy, love him dammit!

Africanus on November 14, 2011 at 11:59 PM

Another jerk manages to lead the pack until their own BS overwhelms them. This is pathetic and it isn’t the media’s fault. Trump, Bachmann, Perry, Cain… now here comes Newt. I suppose we should be grateful that these morons are weeding themselves out ahead of the actual primaries.

lexhamfox on November 15, 2011 at 12:04 AM

Only politically dishonest hacks believe Perry wouldn’t support Israel at the same exact funding level.
kerrhome on November 14, 2011 at 11:55 PM

That’s just not what he said, sorry.
I think even astounding is the fact that most folks would likely agree on merit-based funding, but unlike Perry they don’t need to do a whole lot of deep thinkin’ and wasting of time trying to determine the good guys from the bad guys. Such confusion and hesitation would be deadly in the real world.

whatcat on November 15, 2011 at 12:08 AM

Romney wouldn’t let Newt upstage him as VPOTUS, and Newt wouldn’t want a RINO as his VP.
Good Solid B-Plus on November 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM

I’d disagree and submit that Romney would take anything with a title. On the RINO VP part, think “ticket-balancing” – you recall Richard Schweiker, no?

whatcat on November 15, 2011 at 12:13 AM

lexhamfox on November 15, 2011 at 12:04 AM

You’re an Obamunist, why do you care who the Republicans pick? Well, aside from the fact that Romney would be easiest to beat since it would be hard to distinguish his positions from those of Obama.

AZfederalist on November 15, 2011 at 12:18 AM

When the SH claims first came out, I said I disregarded them and my concern was what a President Cain would say in a one on one with a foreign leader. This only reinforces my concern.

Oleta on November 15, 2011 at 12:25 AM

That’s just not what he said, sorry.
I think even astounding is the fact that most folks would likely agree on merit-based funding, but unlike Perry they don’t need to do a whole lot of deep thinkin’ and wasting of time trying to determine the good guys from the bad guys. Such confusion and hesitation would be deadly in the real world.

whatcat on November 15, 2011 at 12:08 AM

You can keep right on saying that, but no mainstream conservatives or anyone I watched on twitter during the debate or since thought that this was the case. Even people that don’t support Perry and many that don’t like him disagree with what you are saying. Even Newt agreed with Perry. You sound desperate.

kerrhome on November 15, 2011 at 12:35 AM

I would rather have someone who didn’t know that much about Libya than someone who did know more, like Obama, McCain and Rubio, but who was on the side of the “rebels”.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 15, 2011 at 12:47 AM

It wasn’t a gaffe, and it has nothing to do with a lack of sleep. From the beginning he has shown glipses of the fact that he has never even thought about national issues or foreign politics. They simply don’t interest him, he don’t read about them, doesn’t know where he stands, doesn’t even care really.

Cain brings nothing to the table except for a bit of charm, and that will wear off quickly if any of the sexual harrassment allegations stick.

He comes off as an opportunist for many reasons, and not good ones. Not only endorsing Romney in 2008, but lavishly praising him as he did, is a huge flag.

Cain is simply incompetent, unengaged, and over his head. When he is embarrassed, he resorts to the stubborn, cocky old man a$shole routine.

He isn’t serious, and it’s becoming even clearer that he must have other motivations for doing all of this. Maybe he is working toward the book-selling celebrity clown spitballer status, that we’ve come to know through Palin.

nottakingsides on November 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM

lexhamfox on November 15, 2011 at 12:04 AM

You’re an Obamunist, why do you care who the Republicans pick? Well, aside from the fact that Romney would be easiest to beat since it would be hard to distinguish his positions from those of Obama.

AZfederalist on November 15, 2011 at 12:18 AM

Romney looks saner than the others by some margin. Mitch Daniels was my favorite candidate. I still like Huntsman.

Your assumption that anyone to the left of Rush & Hannity is some kind of lefty socialist is illustrative of what is destroying the GOP’s chances of being the choice for fiscal sanity and good governance. Call me old fashioned but I don’t think genuine conservatives support torture, defaulting on obligations, or pledge not to raise any revenues while the country fights wars and sustains massive debts. I understand that is a minority view here. I think G H Bush was a better President than Reagan or Clinton. Call me crazy…

lexhamfox on November 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM

Perry seemingly done but with some money to spend

Not hardly. Twice as many people saw the last debate than the previous one with the gaffe, and he’s done a masterful recovery from that. He now has a stronger team so should just get better and better. His interviews and speeches are great and people like him, he’s very down-to-earth.

Besides that, what are our choices? Romney is NOT a conservative and has no convictions, he’s flipped on every policy possible. Newt isn’t much better, people just like him because he’s a history professor and can spot historical facts. He’s flipped almost as much as Romney plus carries baggage Romney doesn’t. And as I remember, his entire team quit a couple of weeks into the campaign and he had no money. Maybe he sold his wife’s Tiffany jewels.

I like Ron Paul, despite his foreign policy craziness, and Gary Johnson is my favorite, a true Tea Party-minded man who was extremely popular and successful in his 2 terms as governor of NM. But the Republican Party will never choose a Libertarian because of the social cons in the party.

Bachmann has had her day and she didn’t have any leadership or executive experience anyway, you don’t get that in the House. Santorum has been at the bottom of the pile the entire campaign and will stay there, as will Huntsman, who may be more conservative than he sounds, and was a fairly successful governor, but can’t live down his little love letter to Obama.

I think Perry is our best bet. He has the background and the experience and the right message on policy. He’s not perfect, he not nearly limited government enough for me, but I think he’s the best we have and that he would make a good POTUS.

Common Sense on November 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM

Perry’s brain freeze didn’t bother me, and I didn’t care. Herman’s sloppy answer doesn’t change a thing for me, either.

We had 4 solid conservatives – Palin, Bachmann, Cain, and Santorum.

The media (and GOP establishment) took them out one by one using Alinsky’s ‘Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.’

Conservatives fell for it every time.

Newt is only mildly more conservative than Mitt Romney. They’ll take him out to. Count on it. Once Mitt secures the nomination, they’ll turn all their guns on him, too.

We think we are so smart, so politically savvy, but we are the biggest losers in the world. Reagan would never have won in today’s world with today’s gutless Americans.

Four more years of Obama coming up, and God help us all.

pupik on November 15, 2011 at 1:03 AM

That’s just not what he said, sorry.
I think even astounding is the fact that most folks would likely agree on merit-based funding, but unlike Perry they don’t need to do a whole lot of deep thinkin’ and wasting of time trying to determine the good guys from the bad guys. Such confusion and hesitation would be deadly in the real world.
whatcat on November 15, 2011 at 12:08 AM

You can keep right on saying that, but no mainstream conservatives or anyone I watched on twitter during the debate or since thought that this was the case.
kerrhome on November 15, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Again, it’s a matter of record and , in fact, his Israel gaffe sent the Perry campaign into damage control mode – even on Twitter. If he hadn’t flubbed on Israel, why the need for the damage control?

whatcat on November 15, 2011 at 1:10 AM

Cain is probably hoping a few more wild-haired, flaky, out-of-date accusers come forward to distract this gaffe into bimbo limbo.

Cain’s campaign theme song

profitsbeard on November 15, 2011 at 1:33 AM

The irony of today’s supergaffe is that I think it’ll do him much less harm among primary voters generally than the harassment charges have, even though his hair-raising vagueness on key foreign-policy details is much more certain than whether he did anything to his accusers.

Speaking purely for myself, the sexual harassment charges don’t move me at all. Unless we have real evidence, it looks like the old Democratic Media smear machine in operation.

I’m not particularly bothered by this one gaffe. It happens to everybody. The succession of foreign policy gaffes, though, has pretty much convinced me that he doesn’t care about the subject of foreign policy and has never given it much thought. That’s the only plausible explanation. Cain is too accomplished at too many things to believe he’s stupid.

This latest just makes it impossible to pretend that it’s a fluke when he stumbles on foreign policy.

I wanted to believe in Cain, but I’ve seen this coming for a while now.

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 15, 2011 at 2:03 AM

kerrhome on November 14, 2011 at 11:22 PM

I’m also autistic(Asperger’s) and rode the short bus in grade school.
My guess is that your son is brilliant. Most auties are. I’m more rebellious/quirky-but it works. LoL
-Barb.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 15, 2011 at 2:28 AM

Well this pizza is finally done cooking now…

g2825m on November 15, 2011 at 3:18 AM

What to me is a bigger issue that shows he has been unprepared for POTUS is WHAT was he doing in Green Bay going to a football game instead of being in Iowa, NH, or SC. I mean, help me out here, when does Wisconsin vote?

Cain was out pushing his book throughout the South at the height of trying to gain name recognition and let people know who he was. He rec’d more media from these allegations than his book tour ever did for him.

I have always felt that the reach for POTUS was too far of a stretch for him with his lack of experience and even if the person is from our side of the aisle we CANNOT afford to have another inexperienced person sitting in that chair.

g2825m on November 15, 2011 at 3:24 AM

What is “conservative” about being for collective bargaining? Being pro-choice while being pro-life? Wanting aff!rmative action-type “empowerment zones” where some people are more equal than others? Not wanting the Fed audited? I would also say that a principle of conservatives is being informed and Cain is anything but. Cain is just not that conservative.

Aslans Girl on November 14, 2011 at 11:09 PM

I generally do not agree with everything Aslan posts but she IS correct here. I would add though that he is conservative but he has flipped more in the last 60 days than all of you who say Romney does. Cain just does not know where he stands on issues…except DEEP DISH!

g2825m on November 15, 2011 at 3:33 AM

WHAT was he doing in Green Bay going to a football game instead of being in Iowa
g2825m on November 15, 2011 at 3:24 AM

Iowa and Wisconsin are neighboring states.

whatcat on November 15, 2011 at 3:53 AM

None of the candidates has any intelligence information on which he/she could in saying what should have been done about Libya, with perhaps the exception of Michele Bachmann on the House intelligence committee. Cain is just being honest, unlike the others who are pretending to know something.

As for the union issue, there was a time when unions were a good thing; they came about because companies were exploiting workers. Now many of them have gone to the opposite extreme, and many unions are exploiting employers. With public employee unions, the biggest problem is the money laundering that is done by the democratic party. To fix that problem, the money rules need to be changed, rather than just destroying the unions. There should be a balance of power between employers and employees, and unions still have their place as long as they are not exploiting the employers.

ajp1228 on November 15, 2011 at 4:10 AM

katy the mean old lady on November 14, 2011 at 11:04 PM

People have the tendency to see, or not see, what they choose.

Daemonocracy on November 15, 2011 at 5:30 AM

Herm’s candidacy is over! Next he’ll star in ‘Tower Heist 2 : Electric Boogaloo”.

BHO Jonestown on November 15, 2011 at 6:28 AM

‘Tower Heist 2 : Electric Boogaloo”.

BHO Jonestown on November 15, 2011 at 6:28 AM

ok that was funny :)

cmsinaz on November 15, 2011 at 6:51 AM

milemarker2020 on November 14, 2011 at 11:03 PM

Still choosing between Perry and Newt. Why are you stuck on one candidate. It is perfectly fine if you change candidates. The candidates are selling their candidacy and we are making a choice. This is not a loyalty test. The process is about choosing the best conservative candidate that can win. And it appears to be working.

antisocial on November 15, 2011 at 7:00 AM

This is the guy who said, if not CinC, he’d only accept being the next President’s Secretary of War/Defense. I gave Cain my best faith for a fair shot with his onset and his sickly bold 9-9-9, but he’s lost me completely given exposure in full light of day.

If he needs sleep, then get the damned sleep. But don’t doze off in the middle of a sentence and then cry “out of context”. If he hasn’t made up his mind, just say so. This makes flip flopping look intelligent in comparison, though no better in reality.

maverick muse on November 15, 2011 at 7:18 AM

profitsbeard! You crack me up. Thanks for the laugh.

maverick muse on November 15, 2011 at 7:23 AM

Even without the foreign policy flubs he still wouldn’t have a real shot because he’s not campaigning in Iowa or any other early primary state. Nobody is talking about that but this is the thing that will sink his campaign, and I still don’t get why he thinks anyone could possibly get anywhere with that strategy. That’s the fatal error he is making, imo.

kg598301 on November 15, 2011 at 7:30 AM

Lack of sleep is a weak excuse – it was weak when Perry used it for the first couple debates as well.

If he hadn’t come out so against Perry he could have borrowed his “boots” line.

gophergirl on November 15, 2011 at 8:02 AM

He’s dead, Jim.

Leftist garbage ashamed of being pro Obama breathing the biggest sigh of relief.

MNHawk on November 15, 2011 at 8:28 AM

Obama golfs, Cain tailgates? Is that it? 999? That’s all he’s got. Maybe he should hire a foreign affairs expert pronto.

Kissmygrits on November 15, 2011 at 8:36 AM

I wonder how many hours Bush got after 9/11 or during the beginning of the trumped up financial crisis? How many Kennedy got during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

astonerii on November 15, 2011 at 8:39 AM

WHAT was he doing in Green Bay going to a football game instead of being in Iowa
g2825m on November 15, 2011 at 3:24 AM

Iowa and Wisconsin are neighboring states.

whatcat on November 15, 2011 at 3:53 AM

As a Navy guy,whatcat, I know my geography… :o)

Still did not answer my question as is he campaigning to win or just going to the football game and hurting himself by these gaffe’s. He should be busy in IA, NH, or SC if he is looking to strengthen his votes especially after a bad week of allegations. He should not be going to a football game. It is stunts like this that hurt himself as people do not, who may possibly otherwise, take him seriously.

Block should have been canned 2 weeks ago!

g2825m on November 15, 2011 at 8:44 AM

None of the candidates has any intelligence information on which he/she could in saying what should have been done about Libya, with perhaps the exception of Michele Bachmann on the House intelligence committee. Cain is just being honest, unlike the others who are pretending to know something.

ajp1228 on November 15, 2011 at 4:10 AM

AJP,
Any one of us on this site could have told you where Obama’s stance was on Libya and what happened there. I understand you support him but be honest with his response that he did NOT know the issues.

g2825m on November 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM

How many hours of sleep Teddy Kennedy got during the Cuban Missile Crisis after 18 July 1969 at Chappaquiddick.

astonerii on November 15, 2011 at 8:39 AM

Fixed it for you…

g2825m on November 15, 2011 at 8:50 AM

Look. It’s one thing to support Perry. It’s quite another to do so at the expense of reality. At least acknowledge that Perry’s got to cash in on about three or four miracles, and somehow erase the awful impression he’s left in the minds of the base. Yes, the base. The base that hates him.

KingGold on November 14, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Glad to know you are here to speak on behalf of the entire Republican/Conservative base. You don’t do your preferred candidate any service by slandering someone else’s in this way. You don’t like Perry? Fine. But you are all wet when you presume to speak for everyone else.

jaschenb74 on November 15, 2011 at 8:57 AM

Fixed it for you…

g2825m on November 15, 2011 at 8:50 AM

Was he president?

It makes a nice funny, but I was being serious.

I really hate that Kennedy you identified. I respect the other one to a reasonable degree.

astonerii on November 15, 2011 at 9:01 AM

“We’re sorry folks … but President Cain only got four hours of sleep last night … our condolences go out to the people in Russia that he NUKED this morning.”

For crying out loud. Does anyone think that Mitt Romney would have made this kind of gaffe if he’d had 4 hours of sleep?

It shows a lack of judgement on the part of Cain to be talking to the press if he’s not coherent. This is a very telling statement about a guy who doesn’t seem to know his limits (if this is even true).

It’s time to get rid of this clownish Cain Train – it’s really been an embarrassment.

HondaV65 on November 15, 2011 at 9:15 AM

No caption? How can you leave off the caption? Just couldn’t think of anything? There has to be some kind of clever 1-liner that works here. How about “3AM”? I can’t think of anything else offhand, though to be honest, even the standard nuance would seem to work here.

RINO in Name Only on November 15, 2011 at 9:16 AM

Why was Cain in WI to begin with?

It’s not an early primary state.

aquaviva on November 15, 2011 at 9:19 AM

JUST LIKE ANY of the last dozen Presidents would stumble without a cadre of advisors to help fill in the blanks and offer counsel…….Is that not why we hired them? To surround themselves with advisors?………..

Katfish on November 14, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Cain HAS hired advisors – he has advisors. The problem is – he doesn’t have the judgement to hire GOOD or even half-way decent advisors.

Instead – he hires toads like MARK BLOCK and then sticks with them when they make grievous and embarrassing errors.

HondaV65 on November 15, 2011 at 9:20 AM

Lack of sleep? Shoulda stayed at a Holiday Inn Express…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0o0Jjtvq0Y

raccoonradio on November 15, 2011 at 9:41 AM

The Cainiacs here certainly have much better mnanners than Perrykrishnas.
I didn’t see all this unholy glee Saturday.

katy the mean old lady on November 14, 2011 at 11:04 PM

The difference between a mental block that anyone could have and an unprepared candidate making a mess of an answer after having had his own staff state that he had refused to prepare for debates and study up on policy matters.

One was something that by all measures could not be blamed on the character and ability of the candidate and the other should be.

astonerii on November 15, 2011 at 9:42 AM

It shows a lack of judgement on the part of Cain to be talking to the press if he’s not coherent. This is a very telling statement about a guy who doesn’t seem to know his limits (if this is even true).

It’s time to get rid of this clownish Cain Train – it’s really been an embarrassment.

HondaV65 on November 15, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Honda that is why it is Cain’s fault for speaking the words…or lack thereof for a little while BUT it is Mark Block’s fault knowing he only got four hours of sleep! That is what a Campaign Manager does if MANAGE the campaign which he is not. Block’s gotta go and unfortunately Cain will not recover from these bad 2-3 weeks he has had.

g2825m on November 15, 2011 at 9:51 AM

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