Why Dems can’t quit Occupy Wall Street
posted at 7:00 pm on November 13, 2011 by Karl
The “Occupy movement” has devolved into Hipsters of the Flies — dens of crime, squalor and internecine power struggles. As health and safety concerns grow, city officials around the country are moving to break up protest encampments. The movement is not popular, even with the young or the poor.
Democrats, from Pres. Obama on down, once sympathetic, may try to rhetorically distance themselves from the protest themselves as the public mood sours. However, they really cannot avoid aligning themselves with the OWSers. Ideology and the reflexive turn to class warfare in an election year are big reason for this, but the answer is both more complex and more simple than that.
It is more complex because — as noted by Kenneth Anderson, David Brooks and Walter Russell Mead among others — the Occupy protests are primarily an intramural fight among the factions of the Left. As Brooks would have it, this is a fight about Blue Inequality, not Red Inequality. But these analyses — perhaps because they are primarily intellectual pursuits — tend to gloss over the more simple aspect.
The Occupy protests are about jobs. The Occupiers are unemployed and they tend to have a certain class of college degree and cannot find a certain class of job. Anderson strikes close to the heart of the problem with Blue Inequality:
The lower tier is in a different situation and always has been. It is characterized by status-income disequilibrium, to borrow from David Brooks; it cultivates the sensibilities of the upper tier New Class, but does not have the ability to globalize its rent extraction. The helping professions, the professions of therapeutic authoritarianism (the social workers as well as the public safety workers), the virtuecrats, the regulatory class, etc., have a problem — they mostly service and manage individuals, the client-consumers of the welfare state. Their rents are not leveraged very much, certainly not globally, and are limited to what amounts to an hourly wage. The method of ramping up wages, however, is through public employee unions and their own special ability to access the public-private divide. But, as everyone understands, that model no longer works, because it has overreached and overleveraged, to the point that even the system’s most sympathetic politicians understand that it cannot pay up.
The upper tier is still doing pretty well. But the lower tier of the New Class — the machine by which universities trained young people to become minor regulators and then delivered them into white collar positions on the basis of credentials in history, political science, literature, ethnic and women’s studies — with or without the benefit of law school — has broken down. The supply is uninterrupted, but the demand has dried up. The agony of the students getting dumped at the far end of the supply chain is in large part the OWS.
The part Anderson likely gets wrong is the part about “everyone” knowing the model no longer works. As Mead wrote pre-OWS, the Blue Model was very much about selling people security within that model. And while it’s true that model has been crumbling for some time, the establishment was still selling gullible youngsters on the dream of permanent jobs, however much Matt Welch might be correct in calling them on it (the dysfunction of higher education fuels this phenomenon).
This is why Dems cannot pretend to ignore the Occupy movement, but must at least express sympathy with its general thrust. The angst of the OWSers echoes within the class that currently occupies the types of jobs the OWSers want; that class encompasses the Democrats’ core constituencies. It is the street iteration of the “emerging Democratic majority” versus the collapse of the Blue Model. If progressivism stops being a jobs racket, it loses much of its power.
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Here’s the live stream link:
Fixing to watch a Portland beatdown, if the protesters don’t leave.
The protesters now chanting a thanks to the Portland Police for keeping it peaceful.
Vancouver & Salem cops down there now.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:05 PM
The livestream cameraman’s battery just died, but they’ll probably have it back up soon. I’m sure the guy is scrambling around right now.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:07 PM
Gotta hand it to the cameraman – he’s being resourceful.
He’s got the feed back up. Things sound like they’re getting heated.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM
yea one con was all alone arguing
then they began the creepy repeat group speak that i can’t take
blatantblue on November 13, 2011 at 7:14 PM
Protesters taking a vote now whether to hold the street
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:16 PM
OT: “Ace says there is a big story breaking about corruption in Congress. He’s on a shuttle and can’t post. It’s on 60 Minutes. Looks like Breitbart is involved.”
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/323695.php#323695
davidk on November 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM
The just agreed , with a voice vote, to move.
All this being discussed with chants.
N=Now they need to decide where.
Theyv’ made a list of places they could go.
Now they said they will be discussing a timeline for leaving
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM
Tear gas, rubber bullets, and skillfully wielded billy clubs are needed here and throughout. Enough is enough.
predator on November 13, 2011 at 7:22 PM
The cops are rotating and getting rest breaks (police headquarters is a block away). The protestors aren’t rotating and getting rest breaks (and a lot of the protestors haven’t slept very much in the last two days).
Time is not the protestors’ friend…
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM
Check the Portland thread. The decisions among the protesters are going down now. Interesting.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:26 PM
“I Think we should be in solidarity with the folks up front.”
The crowd is fracturing.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:27 PM
“When the police start moving, and the front line begins to move back, we implement the move. Thank you”
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:28 PM
The people in front have been the same peolpe since almost the beginningg. We want to stay. We
ve been out here for hours & we’re not ready to move.
Thank you.
They’re a;; giving speecheds.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:29 PM
“We need to make a decision about leaving or staying as a collective. If you’re in favor of remaining here, twinkle fingers “up”
Please look around.
If you’re in favor of moving, as a collective whole, twinkle fingers up.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:32 PM
cane_loader
Thank You! You rock for doing this..
bridgetown on November 13, 2011 at 7:34 PM
We have not reached consensus, however, considering the tenuousness of our situation, we must consider a 90% modified consensus, which I think, we have reached.
I would like to address people on the front lines. We will be considering as a collective whole how to strategically and peacefully disengage from the front line. In the meantime, we need to decide where we’re going to move to. When we;re going to move there, and in what manner.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:34 PM
At this juncture we need to narrow down the places where we want to move.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:35 PM
Of course Zero feels a special kinship with these derelicts. They remind him of his dope dealing days whilst pursuing Vacation Studies at Harvard.
viking01 on November 13, 2011 at 7:36 PM
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:36 PM
Cameramen discussing how to spread the reporters before the tear gas comes
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:36 PM
idiots
bridgetown on November 13, 2011 at 7:38 PM
Beautiful people on the front line:
You are doing wonderful work (crowd cheers)
Just so you know, because you haven’t been able to hear us, we have been strategizing.
It’s the collective decision to eventually move from this street.
We support you. Thank you for supporting us.
Again, we are strategizing about how to peacefully disengage from the front line, in order to move to a new location.
Does everyone on the front line understand?
Thank you.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:39 PM
Gotta take a break – the chanting and echoing are wearing me out!
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:40 PM
I wanted to witness how the Portlanders actually try to work it out, with the riot cops starnig them in the face, as they are right now!
Livestream
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:42 PM
And all this on top of that Saints game lol
Del Dolemonte on November 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM
Portlanders have decided to move out of Main St. But they say now they need to to discuss how, when, and where they are going to occupy next.
They are talking about “occupying” somewhere else. I don’t think the cops will let them.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM
Frazzled, Del! :-0
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:46 PM
Those behind cry, “FORWARD!” Those in front cry, “BACK!”
CurtZHP on November 13, 2011 at 7:47 PM
Just lost the sound on the feed :-(
Between the debate and this, it’s getting hard to cover live news, these days!
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:48 PM
Try:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/pdx-nathanh
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 7:50 PM
Here’s another
http://www.kimt.com/content/video/cbslive.aspx
CW on November 13, 2011 at 7:53 PM
Police moving back…
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM
This email was sent along to me: “Parasites are devouring the host culture.” This gal is discussing the EBT and other social (welfare) justice programs in CA.
Parasitesaredevouringthehostculture.wmv I18N YGP.SaveAll I18N YGP.SaveProgress I18N YGP.ViewAfterSave
onlineanalyst on November 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM
crazy protester crawling after the cops?!?!
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:56 PM
That biatch moving forward, is she sitting on a flag?
hawkdriver on November 13, 2011 at 7:56 PM
Police moving back…
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM
At this point it is not worth a confrontation….
CW on November 13, 2011 at 7:56 PM
“A loud minority choosing to act autonomously!”
“This is not our consensus!”
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:57 PM
Rainbow Girl just got arrested…
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 7:58 PM
Natives are getting restless.
CW on November 13, 2011 at 7:58 PM
I think I just saw Ernesto get arrested
CW on November 13, 2011 at 7:58 PM
This is stupid. Fixing to get ugly.
hawkdriver on November 13, 2011 at 7:59 PM
Where are my Skittles?
Where is my unicorn?
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 7:59 PM
I saw a sign: Class War ahead.
Really 99 against 1?
CW on November 13, 2011 at 7:59 PM
Actually, I think that they are getting ready to use gas…
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 7:59 PM
Yep, night’s falling, about to see some stupidity
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM
More police announcements ordering the area cleared…
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM
I wouldn’t drive my car near those animals.
CW on November 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM
They probably just saved her life.
hawkdriver on November 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM
I meant only in regards to the butt scooter.
CW on November 13, 2011 at 8:01 PM
Well, any chance they can use tear gas with vehicular traffic there. Nope. Progressive cities are stupid.
hawkdriver on November 13, 2011 at 8:02 PM
People heading for Pioneer Square (the center of the city) a few blocks away..
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 8:03 PM
Cops telling them to stay on sidewalk. Cameraman thanking cops for keeping everyone safe.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:04 PM
If this is the ‘core point’ of this article, then it IS a mistaken premise.
I will concede that ‘some’ of the OWS’ers do fall into ‘that’ category. But that IS NOT why ‘they are there‘.
They ARE the ’08 voters, now facing the ugly reality of Dear Leader’s policies’; they ARE one of elements of the ‘Rat Party base; they ARE the deluded ‘cannon fodder’ that will be incited into committing electoral mischief, and general mayhem in the coming year.
They ARE ‘the children’ that have been spoon-fed lies, illusions, neo-marxist claptrap from Primary School on up; deluded worshipers of false ‘Rights’, Gaia, ‘fairness’, and the pungent LIES of ‘social justice’ & ‘imposed’ equality.
They ARE the ‘crowning glory’ of the five decades-long infiltration and corruption of what WAS the finest education system of this planet.
Sorry Karl, you are sadly mistaken. These smelly fools ARE the purposeful ‘end result’ of EVERY idea, and ’cause’ the ‘rats have backed… To. The. Hilt.
How could a parent turn away from a faithful child… the ‘rats ‘ignore’ them because the awful reality of their ‘aspect’ is repulsive to the voters they hope to deceive into voting for them, and their false gods next year.
Their anger, angst, and joblessness is NOT a bug, it IS a feature.
And purposeful.
CPT. Charles on November 13, 2011 at 8:04 PM
Police escorting marchers down to Pioneer Square.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:04 PM
So now what are they going to do in Pioneer Square?
Cop trap?
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:05 PM
OWS is the face of the new Democratic Party. Lost forever is the Democratic Party of Hubert Humphrey & Scoop Jackson, JFK & FDR, Truman & Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
LFRGary on November 13, 2011 at 8:05 PM
Haven’t the NYPD heard of a convenient military gadget called Active Denial Systems ?
It looks like an AEGIS radar screen on the back of an APC and when it is pointed at perps it makes them feel like their skin is on fire but causes no harm beyond discomfort. The Occupy bums would be perfect for calibration and practice. All in the name of science, of course.
viking01 on November 13, 2011 at 8:05 PM
Another interminable meeting. However it is legal to be in Pioneer Square.
Half of the protestors seem to be staying put.
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 8:07 PM
If the KKK showed up to a Tea Party Rally = C-Span.
When marxist are in clear view at an OWS city = crickets.
These people are espousing marxist revolution.
hawkdriver on November 13, 2011 at 8:09 PM
Huh they are mostly white. Just sayin.
CW on November 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM
Street has been reopened. Big crowd in Pioneer Square.
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 8:13 PM
So now the confrontation moves to the courthouse.
Tomorrow morning is a business day. They won’t be allowed to block the courthouse.
Turn out the lights; the party’s over
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:18 PM
Haha, Portland affiliate cutting away for the football game.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:20 PM
Are you responding to my comment?
hawkdriver on November 13, 2011 at 8:22 PM
Karl you’re right on.
OWS is mainly white college grads from well to do families. Dad is lawyer with ACLU, mom is director of poverty group, funded with tax dollars.
Junior was told go to Williams, major in African Studies. Dont worry if you have to borrow 150k. Upon graduation a 80k job in ‘public policy’ will await. Ooops, job isn’t there. No more money for it. So who is to blame? Bush, Haliburton, Wells Fargo, etc.
angryed on November 13, 2011 at 8:22 PM
Police are allegedly staging around Pioneer Square, for some reason.
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 8:28 PM
really. I thought it was about wall street greed.
ted c on November 13, 2011 at 8:29 PM
So what are their actual written demands? Have we seen them?
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:31 PM
They are still in ‘working groups’ to determine which color pen, which brand, which color paper, etc…
reaganaut on November 13, 2011 at 8:33 PM
Unemployment Rate for Those with College Degrees
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Sunday, August 07, 2011
Unemployment Rate for Those with College Degrees
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Anybody else just savor the irony of the college youth who came out in droves for Obama?
(Chart/Graph)
http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2011/08/unemployment-rate-for-those-with.html
canopfor on November 13, 2011 at 8:34 PM
It isn’t just the model that is crumbling… the elevation of university level education and demeaning blue collar and maintenance jobs has left the nation without essential skills necessary to keep things under good repair. Welders, brick layers, pipefitters… all the jobs necessary to maintain our infrastructure are in job categories that you don’t go to college for. And yet, they offer a fast payback on investment, lower cost to learn, and the opportunity to get very good pay in a short period of time.
Until we change this idea that college is ‘necessary’ we will continue to have an over-educated and under-skilled workforce. You can’t stay civilized for long once you can’t keep the sewers open, the water clean, the electricity on, and the bridges in good repair. In a very real way the money that should have gone into maintenance was scarfed up by ‘entitlements’ and also funneled into college education. We will pay the price for that.
ajacksonian on November 13, 2011 at 8:35 PM
You know, in China, they’d already be hosing down the tank treads.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:35 PM
Comment of the day on the Occupy Portland Livestream:
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 8:36 PM
Table A-4. Employment status of the civilian population 25 years and over by educational attainment
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http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm
canopfor on November 13, 2011 at 8:36 PM
All Portland feeds are down.
Hmmmm
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:36 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/damaskportland
Realist on November 13, 2011 at 8:39 PM
I laughed.
But, yes, in every non-capitalist/non-western country you can think of, this would have ended much differently (and a long time ago).
reaganaut on November 13, 2011 at 8:39 PM
Feed back up. They are holding a General Assembly in Pioneer Square and about to start the chanting thing again
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:41 PM
Yes, herding Americans is worse than herding cats, isn’t it?
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:42 PM
You know, in China, they’d already be hosing down the tank treads.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:35 PM
cane_loader:Tooooo Laaaate(sarc)!:)
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Bulldozer runs through Occupy Salt Lake City camp; police arrest at least 4 – via #OccupySLC tweets
Nov 12 2011 at 8:35PM
Update
http://www.breakingnews.com/
canopfor on November 13, 2011 at 8:43 PM
When do they put up the Festivus Pole? Does that come after the airing of grievances and before the feats of strength?
reaganaut on November 13, 2011 at 8:43 PM
This is off the chart for unintentional comedy – listening to these newscasters trying so hard to make this seem like a serious thing.
reaganaut on November 13, 2011 at 8:45 PM
The clowns of occupy are the Dems and this administration, if anybody thinks those loose cannons including the violence and rioting aren’t part of (albeit with plenty of cutouts) the liberal network, guess again.
The President can no more disown them than he can Karl Marx or the peoples revolution happy totalitarians the liberal machine idolizes so much.
Speakup on November 13, 2011 at 8:46 PM
These people are wasting their time (and mine – I need to stop watching). This kind of prolonged mob thing, without a clear list of grievances and demands, isn’t going to change a thing.
It’s a big waste of everyone’s time and taxpayer money.
All it will be good for is boring stories of their glory days – “remember when, back at the reevoluution, when Grandpa uptwinkled to save the nation?”
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:47 PM
Let’s just hope 0bama hasn’t downloaded some sort of mind-control app to their devices, to turn them into 0bamabot brownshirts come election time.
Probably has already happened.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:50 PM
With that bunch, how would you be able to tell?
AZfederalist on November 13, 2011 at 8:51 PM
Now they’re crowing over how the (unnamed) union solved the Porta-Potty problem.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:51 PM
Occupy Portland
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http://portlandwiki.org/Occupy_Portland
Official Site
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http://occupyportland.org/
The General Assembly meets at 7pm
Location: The ampitheater at Terry Schrunk Plaza (located across from Portland City Hall at the 1200 block of SW Third Avenue)
GA Notes are posted here.
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General Assembly Notes
October 12th, 2011 · OccupyPDXkip
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The condensed notes are an agreed upon combination between the official note takers for the GA. Any disputes between note takers will be referenced within the document.
General Assembly Notes for 2011-11-07
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(Kat transcribed off the LiveStream!
How amazing is that???!!!)
General Assembly Notes for 2011-10-23
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Complete Notes: PDF | Text
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http://occupyportland.org/occupation/pdx-general-assembly/general-assembly-notes/
canopfor on November 13, 2011 at 8:51 PM
New cameraWOMAN doing a walkaround with commentary.
Heard during the new GA: “because alot of people did not respect the restrooms, the unions have come through with PORTA POTTIES !”
Cheers galore, and great gratitude to union friends.
oy.
pambi on November 13, 2011 at 8:52 PM
Clueless people are dangerous.
Like the time Hunter Thompson nearly blew up Nixon’s plane by leaning over the open wing tank with a lit cigarette.
Stupid people hurt other people.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM
Crap,I thought the PDF Linky’s would be
available,I apologize for the length,
sorry,ugh!
canopfor on November 13, 2011 at 8:54 PM
OK, so are the glorious unions going to provide them all with NEW tents, etc, to be used in the Square ??
Or will those come from their new Wells Fargo accounts ???
pambi on November 13, 2011 at 8:54 PM
s’okay, you’re trying :-)
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:55 PM
They won’t be allowed to block the courthouse tomorrow. My money says this ends tonight, probably with some scattered but not serious violence.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:56 PM
Pioneer Square is a major tourist and PR point, not to mention having the courthouse. I’d be surprised if the city allows this.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 8:56 PM
The progressive wave crested before Obamacare was ever passed. This is the death throes, the flailing around or floundering of the last wave of what Van Jones referred to as the 3rd progressive wave. The progressive left clings to the only thing it understands while we go through this global economic transition “Big Government”.
The answer is a new model for the new reality “globalization” and not trying to make an old worn out model work in the 21st century. That’s just going to create more social shock. The new models are not going to come from the left. The left is dependent on central planning, orthodoxy, conformity. They will keep trying to make the square peg fit in the round hole “just tax the rich more” but don’t let life in America change….that’s ironic coming from the people who voted for hope and change. People on the left are reacting to globalization by hanging onto the sentimentality of Big Government – it’s their comfort zone. Real hope and change is going to come from innovation in career training, from the people outside academia. Innovators not unlike the late Steve Jobs. The truth is we have gone through a long period of instant gratification. For example people buying houses they couldn’t afford, and unprecedented self indulgence in this country (look at what our consumption rate was prior to the burst of the housing bubble). Real human development is born out of challenges, not uninterrupted periods of pleasure seeking. I am optimistic for the U.S., human beings always find a way, especially the American ones ;)
Dr Evil on November 13, 2011 at 8:59 PM
Eh, the demand for these bureaucratic/academic jobs may be drying up (although I’m not convinced), but I don’t think that’s what motivates these particular protesters. Clearly the SEIU and AFL-CIO are not concerned with the lack of opportunity in women’s studies programs. And people who are drawn to stone cold anarchy aren’t mad cause their non-existent career path has dried up. I see these protesters as Useful Idiots who have been indoctrinated into Marxism, and they have connected with other similarly duncelike comrades to “protest” via social networks cause it’s the cool thing to do.
Buy Danish on November 13, 2011 at 8:59 PM
Wonder why no police department has introduced riot slime or slippery foam to shut down these occupiers.
Non-lethal. But they sure make standing or moving about up a real effort.
Clean up is just a fire hose away. Biodegradable, too.
This occupy/disperse tap dance that goes on for hours and hours, and day after day…eats up millions in tax dollars as well all across the country.
Can municipalities bill the organizers? Garnish assets?
Cities really need to look into this.
Making regular people minding their own business to pay for all of this is just plain dumb.
coldwarrior on November 13, 2011 at 9:05 PM
devolved? This presumes that it had a better state that it once held. It did not. It has always been a crime ridden bunch of dirtbags…they were just hiding behind their mother’s skirts.
ted c on November 13, 2011 at 9:06 PM
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I hope you’re right about the death throes part…
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RalphyBoy on November 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM
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