Did CBS intentionally squelch Bachmann in the debate?
posted at 1:00 pm on November 13, 2011 by Jazz Shaw
Have you ever had one of those “uh-oh” moments where you hit “reply all” on an e-mail without intending to? I have. And, apparently, so have the people at CBS News, and they have some explaining to do.
The question at hand involves how many questions the candidates get during debates. There’s always plenty of grousing about that from the second and third tier candidates – Rick Santorum did it again last night in South Carolina – but Michele Bachmann now has a much more solid case to make in complaining on this score. It turns out that CBS inadvertently sent a memo to somebody on Bachmann’s staff which seems to indicate that they planned to keep her on the back bench.
Numerous candidates from Rep. Michele Bachmann to Rep. Ron Paul complained about unfair treatment from the network, arguing that rival campaigns had received far more attention during the debate. The Bachmann campaign went so far as to release an email that they said spokeswoman Alice Stewart had “inadvertently received” from CBS earlier in the day.
In the email string, CBS News’ political analyst John Dickerson said that Bachmann was “not going to get many questions during the debate and she’s nearly off the charts,” a reference to the Minnesota congresswoman’s low standing in the polls.
After the debate Stewart said that CBS News was guilty of “a bias” against Bachmann.
“I inadvertently received an email where CBS made it clear that Michele was going to receive fewer questions than the other candidates. Clearly this is a problem,” Stewart said. “The debates are an opportunity for the candidates to share their views on the issues. This is an important issue for Congresswoman Bachmann. She’s a member of the House, the Foreign Intelligence Committee. She knows this issue unlike the other candidates on this stage and the email chain that I inadvertently received clearly indicates a bias on CBS’ part to limit the questions to Congresswoman Bachmann.
Here’s the pertinent portion of the e-mail in question so you can judge for yourself.
“Okay let’s keep it loose though since she’s not going to get many questions and she’s nearly off the charts in the hopes that we can get someone else,” Dickerson replied, apparently unaware that Stewart was copied on the email.
CBS is in a tough position here. On the one hand, if we’re to be honest about this, it’s obvious that the networks want to try to focus the most attention on the frontrunners who are in the most competitive positions. That’s where the news is, after all. But if you’re going to invite everyone to the debate, logic dictates that the whole idea here is to offer a broad range of ideas for the voters to consider, so everyone should – in theory – get equal time. It’s a tough balancing act, but CBS got caught with their hand in the cookie jar on this one.
Frankly, we’re running the clock down here before Iowa and New Hampshire, and I’ve already been thinking it might be time for the debate hosts to begin paring down the field. But even that’s a challenge. It would be nice to have less than eight people on stage so they might be able to get more than one minute per question. But where do you make the cuts? To be fair, you’d have to include anyone with clear frontrunner numbers in the polls. (Romney and Cain.) Money also plays a big factor, like it or not, so Perry is still in the mix on that count and may still make a comeback, particularly given his excellent effort in South Carolina. Newt is showing steady momentum with his poll numbers moving in the right direction. Ron Paul, while never near the top, consistently polls at or near double digits, so it’s hard to drop him. But could they reasonably slash Huntsman, Santorum and Bachmann and still claim to be giving the voters all of the information they need?
Either way, if you’re going to put your thumb on the scale, you need to be honest about it. CBS took another black eye on this embarrassing “tear away the mask” moment.









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Yes, Bachmann looked good, when she was given a chance. These debates are for VP as well, and I do not think Bachmann should be removed from consideration, especially intentionally by the people running the debates.
cane_loader on November 13, 2011 at 1:04 PM
CBS, and the rest of the MSM, once again, choosing our candidates for us.
Nothing less.
coldwarrior on November 13, 2011 at 1:04 PM
Pelley also repeatedly shut down Bachmann when she tried to respond to other candidates comments.
digitalintrigue on November 13, 2011 at 1:05 PM
Well they failed, Bachmann was fantastic last night. But the fact that they tried is just another reason I hope CBS goes out of business soon.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2011 at 1:07 PM
I still don’t get why GOP agreed to all these debates with unfriendly media. As if Obama is going to agree to debates with Fox News.
ctmom on November 13, 2011 at 1:07 PM
This is one of the reasons I find Debates to be outdated and unnecessary. Why would an intelligent person give over control of their campaign to a biased and unfriendly moderator. Someone who is trying to push their agenda not the candidates, and is very hostile towards then. These debates are a trap and exist only to allow the MSM to pick the GOP candidate again. It’s the only way Obama can achieve a second term. To this day I still feel that O’le Mavericky McStupid was the only GOP candidate that could have lost to Obama in 2008.
Tommy_G on November 13, 2011 at 1:08 PM
This.
Why is the GOP leadership allowing unabashedly left wing organizations like CBS vet our candidates? Not just this go around, but for a long time.
Time for the leadership to, you know, lead, and come up with a debate/primary system that actually works and makes sense.
Rebar on November 13, 2011 at 1:08 PM
For a while last night about a half hour in I found myself wandering if Ron Paul was even present. It seems that CBS gave Clyde Huntsman their airtime.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2011 at 1:10 PM
digitalintrigue on November 13, 2011 at 1:05 PM
I only watched the last 10 mins of the TV version, and that was VERY obvious.
Disgusting.
‘in hopes WE can get someone else’ ???
A$$hats, all of them !!!
pambi on November 13, 2011 at 1:11 PM
OOPS
They should have GOP voters moderate the debates. At least the bias would be towards our side.
gophergirl on November 13, 2011 at 1:11 PM
DARN that truth…
`always just keeps coming out, doesn’t it…
golfmann on November 13, 2011 at 1:11 PM
What can I say….?
If the candidates are going to let hostile entities run the debates then that’s what they get.
I see no reason why they cannot amongst themselves organize a debate format that is more fair to them all.
These are the GOP debates and not the CBS news debates.
Nobody but political junkies are watching the debates at this point so if they have to move them to C-Span to wean out the media filters then so be it.
There is no good reason to let left-wing media types participate in GOP debates.
NeoKong on November 13, 2011 at 1:13 PM
Bachmann??….who dat?
tencole on November 13, 2011 at 1:13 PM
c’mon, give em a break. they arent trying to let people know the candidates views. the purpose is so pelley can scold and school the candidates on why they are wrong on every issue.
chasdal on November 13, 2011 at 1:19 PM
The only people giving thoughtful, serious answers in the debate last night were Bachmann, Romney, and Newt.
faraway on November 13, 2011 at 1:20 PM
HEH…I really love the fact that this meme is still going….
BTW..It’s Clifford…not Clyde….
BigWyo on November 13, 2011 at 1:20 PM
The Republican leadership? That’s the last thing I want, Bachmann and Ron Paul probably wouldn’t even be included, and if they were they’d probably get better treatment from CBS.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2011 at 1:21 PM
If I were Cyril Huntsman I would be asking some serious questions.
darwin-t on November 13, 2011 at 1:21 PM
Not a bad idea in some respects, though. I agree with your objective.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2011 at 1:22 PM
Who’s your alternative?
Chris Wallace, perhaps??
/s
RedPepper on November 13, 2011 at 1:23 PM
Santorum has been polling lower than Bachmann. Do we have a little sexism going on here or was does Scott Pelley have a problem with strong women?
Knucklehead on November 13, 2011 at 1:24 PM
As I consider the thoughts of ‘why do they always let the lefties conduct the debates’ ?,
I tend to think that if they ONLY did conservative-produced events, wouldn’t that just end up preaching to the choir,considering the networks and / or audiences ?
Methinks reaching indies or undecideds that wouldn’t get through a debate moderated by a set of conservatives, means entering the lions’ dens.
pambi on November 13, 2011 at 1:25 PM
Scott Pelly is a strong woman….
BigWyo on November 13, 2011 at 1:26 PM
In other words, they now wish they could boycott the debates like Perry originally proposed?
This primary season can be looked back upon as one that selected candidates based on how glib they were. And trust me, it will come back to bite us all.
TheRightMan on November 13, 2011 at 1:28 PM
It got so bad last night when it actually came to the point that the candidates had to debate the moderator instead of each other.
Newt stood up and totally destroyed the smug ‘moderator’ who was an instead agent with an agenda to push instead of being a fair and unbiased moderator.
But that was to be expected with C BS.
CommentGuy on November 13, 2011 at 1:29 PM
CBS and Scott Pelley were shamelessly showing their visceral hatred of Republicans last night, beside being incompetent and offensive as moderators.
Scott Pelley is just intolerable, I cannot believe that even CBS News still allows that guy to represent them
And Bachman does a good job in these debates, she is knowledgeable, intelligent, she speaks well and she has courage.
My suggestion now is that the ticket be Gingrich/Bachman
georgealbert on November 13, 2011 at 1:30 PM
This. Michelle Bachmann has been getting the shaft in these last few debates and her performances have been very solid.
The only one who’s done better than her in these debates is Newt.
RedRobin145 on November 13, 2011 at 1:30 PM
Sometimes I feel the same way right after I push Submit Comment here at HA.
a capella on November 13, 2011 at 1:31 PM
Just confirms my long-standing gut feeling that the MSM plays a game of Wak-A-Mole whenever someone pops up above the rest and appears to be a threat to their chosen candidate, Obama.
kurtzz3 on November 13, 2011 at 1:31 PM
I’ll bet such emails were not circulated by Huntsman; he has ‘acceptable’ politics.
michaelo on November 13, 2011 at 1:35 PM
It’s the eyes, man. Those crazy eyes.
faraway on November 13, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Good thing I skipped this “debate.”
The complicit media is doing a fine job of running itself into irrelevancy.
rbj on November 13, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Also, one way to look at it…Once the dust has settled and we move on to the Presidential Debates, you know how incredibly in the tank for President Pantload they’re gonna be…
It will be sickening.
The Big 3 probably already have script writers hired and at the ready…
BigWyo on November 13, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Since it was a foreign policy debate how about Condolezza Rice, Dick Cheney or maybe a member of Congress perhaps. Even Colin Powell would be better than Scott Pelley.
My point is that it is up to Republicans to choose the candidate that best represents their views and not the views of the leftie media.
NeoKong on November 13, 2011 at 1:38 PM
My 4 year old grand daughter is tougher than Sooty.
darwin-t on November 13, 2011 at 1:42 PM
what u all bitching bout?
Bristol’s mom told ya bout the LSM years ago.
News2Use on November 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM
I might go for that.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2011 at 1:44 PM
We’ve complained about the MSM’s bias for ages – and now we’re shocked this revelation?
Quetzal on November 13, 2011 at 1:46 PM
Serves the b**tards right!
That they have the mask pulled from them.
EliTheBean on November 13, 2011 at 1:48 PM
I’m sure there was a similar email exchange from CBS about Frank Huntsman, or is it only marginal conservative candidates that get treated this way?
lowandslow on November 13, 2011 at 1:50 PM
Lol JAZZ, they don’t need to explain a thing!!! They did it and will do it again while telling you to take a long walk off a short pier. I am not even sure why we ask why anymore. They do so because they can and no one is going to do a thing about it.
Africanus on November 13, 2011 at 1:53 PM
We went out for our anniversary so we missed the debate but I was checking in on twitter (how romantic, right?). Some were saying it didn’t look good to female voters the way Pelley marginalized the little woman.
this was the first Perry debate that I’ve missed, and his best debate so far, so I’m thinking of skipping the others too.
juliesa on November 13, 2011 at 1:56 PM
I complained when they wouldn’t let McCotter debate. Imagine if he got the exposure Jon Huntsman has enjoyed – Huntsman who polls around 1%. But it’s fair because it’s all based on polling -sure it is. \
A Media Event does not equal a debate.
When was the election process in this country handed over to network television?
I am not a Bachmann fan, but she does have a legitimate complaint.
Dr Evil on November 13, 2011 at 2:01 PM
I’ve lost my enthusiasm for Bachmann, but she was clearly well-informed in her few allowed responses during Saturday’s debate. In fact, that Pelley moderator was rather rude to her in cutting off her responses and in not allowing her to interject another point when he allowed others to do so. Pelley was much more deferential to Biff Huntsman, whose poll numbers are even below Bachmann’s.
As long as the contenders are willing to run and pound the pavement for votes, they should be allowed to participate in debates. After all, one or some of them may be considered for a VP or Cabinet spot. Let’s hear what they have to say.
onlineanalyst on November 13, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Reading that quote tells me CBS is looking to ruin someone. The part where it says ” in the hopes that we can get someone else,” IMO, means exactly that. Who else can they get?
lonestar1 on November 13, 2011 at 2:05 PM
The candidates are ultimately in control. They could have stage more dialogs cutting out the media, e.g., the Gingrich/Cain debate. They could also say there should be no more than 4 candidates to a stage at one time, and force the media to break each debate into 2 segments, in one or two nights.
But instead they allow themselves to be herded into 30-second cattle-calls, then bitch about it.
BCrago66 on November 13, 2011 at 2:07 PM
They could utilize the internet create their own “online” happening. It’s not that difficult to have a real time nationwide town hall meeting. For example when CBS amateur hour cut off the broadcast, we all jumped to live feed. If they did utilize the internet live feed option themselves, they would need to do something about using several servers to stop the problem with bandwidth and browsers. I am sure they could get some one like Glenn Beck to host or someone else well known.
Cut out the dinosaur media and communicate directly with WE THE PEOPLE. Let the wannabe gate keepers know people are onto them. Corporate media wants to pick our candidates and we shouldn’t allow them to dictate who get’s to run for President of the United States.
Dr Evil on November 13, 2011 at 2:08 PM
when scotty interviewed barry several weeks ago (maybe it was sending the SS checks, i don’t remember), the way he was dressed and his eager acceptance of all things barry and his obvious sycophantic demeanor showed that he was a Poodle.
so, i’ve since thought of him as barry’s lap poodle
r keller on November 13, 2011 at 2:10 PM
The only two others running on the republican ticket is Buddy Roemer and Gary Johnson. They have been effectively marginalized by the media since they declared their candidacies. Gary Johnson got to debate “Once”.
I wonder if that means CBS wanted to get rid of the only woman on the dais? Michelle Bachmann is polling in front of Johnson, Roemer, and Huntsman. Seems like Huntsman should be booted before Bachmann. If they are trying to narrow the field. That’s really not their place – the American people decide when the caucuses and primary starts who is going to be staying in the race.
Dr Evil on November 13, 2011 at 2:12 PM
It is time to get away from the alphabet networks ‘debates’… I’ve been saying that for a couple of months, at least, now.
CSPAN is a good first alternative: Brian Lamb has done a good job there and anyone who catches his shows can judge for themselves what his political bias is.
Or how about Scott Rasmussen? He doesn’t have major dogs in fights beyond measuring what people think of the dogs.
Perhaps John Bolton could run a foreign policy discussion as opposed to debate.
Get a couple of retired JCS members to run a military oriented discussion.
There are people out there that while they have bias it can be judged and seen by all without letting the alphabets pack panels to ‘choose’ who gets how much.
And as for the RNC? The candidates don’t need the blessing of the RNC to do this… and we don’t need media selected ‘gatekeepers’ to decide what is or is not an important question to ask.
The very best of ‘debates’ still suck like an electrolux – they don’t enlighten and only encourage partisanship. Find a way to encourage discussion about the future of the Nation and encourage patriotism of the hard edge, brass tacks form. That will get an audience… maybe not much to start with but those you do get are the people who are best positioned to let others know about what is going on. Let the Person-to-Person network concept start passing videos along with links to the full discussion/debate. Open a forum for discussion as the discussion/debate goes on.
This is the 21st century: we are no longer restricted to the Big Three and radio venues. Why we still have them is pure inertia and intellectual laziness on the part of our candidates who should be OFFERING alternative venues to open up a wider discussion of what our Nation needs to do now and in the future. Any one of them may not have all the ‘right’ ideas, but together the populace can start picking up ideas that seem workable and push them. Stop asking for the media to change and stop expecting the party structure to help you: they won’t do that. Pull down the walls so that ‘gatekeepers’ will man the gates and find they no longer control the flow of information and are relics of a bygone age.
ajacksonian on November 13, 2011 at 2:12 PM
Michelle Bachmann is the candidate that always states Barack Obama is going to be a one term president.
Perhaps CBS is trying to censor Bachmann’s message?
Dr Evil on November 13, 2011 at 2:14 PM
SC GOP said no foul. Hmmmm maybe Demint is not fond of Madame Tardasil. You know she has burned LOTS of bridges even in the Tea Party Caucus.
Kermit on November 13, 2011 at 2:14 PM
Well said, ajacksonian.
I want a meaningful discussion of points of view substantiated with facts by the contenders. I am not interested in the positions of the “moderators.”
onlineanalyst on November 13, 2011 at 2:17 PM
Wouldn’t be surprised if Obama is given the questions ahead of time since he won’t be able to use TOTUS.
redridinghood on November 13, 2011 at 2:18 PM
To be fair it was a difficult balancing act. They had to give Bachmann less time since they gave Scott Pelley more.
PackerBronco on November 13, 2011 at 2:18 PM
I agree and an innovative politician is going to get a closer look- Americans relate to the innovators, recent example Steve Jobs. American are innovators we appreciate the trait in others.
Rick Perry brought up that cyber security is the next big threat this country faces last night. Okay Rick get online deliver this message in the medium that’s going to be effected the most. Don’t just say it show it. There are three ways to learn audio, visual, and tactile. An online internet “campaign event” if Mohammad won’t come to the mountain “dinosaur media” go around the mountain. In return dinosaur media will be forced to cover the online event, and the candidates get even more exposure. Stop being corporate media’s biatches.
Dr Evil on November 13, 2011 at 2:21 PM
I feel your passion, but it ain’t gonna happen unless Soros goes bankrupt.
listens2glenn on November 13, 2011 at 2:28 PM
Solution:
No debates. None. Nada.
Any GOP candidate participating in a debate forfeits any RNC funding for that election cycle.
Simple solutions to complex problems.
BobMbx on November 13, 2011 at 2:29 PM
: )
listens2glenn on November 13, 2011 at 2:29 PM
I am sure the Herman “the inappropriate” Cain people are perfectly happy to have Michele “Gardasil” Bachmann marginalized enough to keep her from regaining traction that she really never should have lost.
her Gardasil stance was and always will be an honorable one. The government should never have the power to force drugs down the throats of it’s citizens, with the exception of those that prevent epidemics. Gardasil does not such thing.
• Christina Tarsell, a 21-year-old college student majoring in studio arts at Bard College, who died suddenly and without explanation shortly after receiving the third Gardasil shot in June 2008.
• Gabrielle, a 15-year-old former gymnast and cheerleader who can no longer attend school and is suffering from severe headaches, heart problems and seizures since getting the vaccine. She has been diagnosed with Inflammation of the Central Nervous System as a result of a Gardasil vaccine reaction, and her condition continues to deteriorate.
• Megan, a 20-year-old college student who died suddenly, without explanation, about one month after receiving her third Gardasil shot. No cause of death was found.
• Ashley, a 16-year-old who became chronically ill after receiving Gardasil, and now suffers regular life-threatening episodes of seizure-like activity, difficulty breathing, back spasms, paralysis, dehydration, memory loss and tremors.
and lets not forget the known side effects and adverse reactions…
Fainting
Seizures
Numbness & tingling
Pain & weakness
Hair loss
Rashes
Extreme fatigue
Other health problems
Fainting would be something to do with the brain not getting enough oxygen or blood carrying oxygen. If this happens for too long, brain damage occurs.
Seizures are also caused by brain problems.
Numbness and tingling could be caused by brain problems, although it is usually local nerves that cause this.
So, the argument that Gardasil is safe is without merit. But hey, there is money to be made on selling this drug and candidate Perry to protect, so all the conservatives jumped down her throat for actually having the conservative answer.
astonerii on November 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM
Each canidate should get a one-on-one with the “moderator”. Same questions. Same amount of time to respond. The “debate” would be a live airing of those questions and answers. Each question would follow with each candidate’s response. The could be there if they wanted, or not. There would be no live follow-up questions.
SouthernGent on November 13, 2011 at 2:32 PM
You’re kidding, right? The WH has already provided the questions that TOTUS will give answers to during the debates.
Practice sessions have already been held.
BobMbx on November 13, 2011 at 2:32 PM
Bachmann remained silent on mandatory vaccinations while serving in the Minnesota congress.
By all appearances, she felt no need to mention, much less work towards stopping, a vaccination that, by her own standards, is an assault on liberty. Even more so actually. The HPV vaccination, while called mandatory, made available an opt-out provision so that the parental rights that she felt were so paramount could be protected in this decision. The Hepatitis B vaccination in Minnesota (state law since 1993) doesn’t even require parental consent at all. And Hep B’s communicability is similar to HPV in that it is primarily transmitted through intercourse, as opposed to being an airborne illness. Currently, no records can be found of Michele Bachmann sponsoring legislation in the Minnesota legislature to repeal the Hep B vaccination or to add a parental opt-out.
Dr Evil on November 13, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Strong enough to get into the ring with any female Pro-wrestler?
: )
We’d pay to see that, wouldn’t we?
listens2glenn on November 13, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Did anyone else notice the word “Get” in the statement above? If they gave Bachmann less time they would have more time to “GET” someone else. That really says it all. That’s what the msm is all about. Getting a Repub and making them look as badly as they can. Pelly should be fired for his embarrassing role in the debate. He was like a hall monitor in grammar school telling you that you will be late for class if you don’t hurry. We all know what a hall monitor is and how they got their roles. When that question is over throw out another one. We should NEVER hear the words TIMES UP again from the like of Pelly. As for paring down the crowd I think it is necessary. VP candidates do not need to be in the debates. It is the privilege of the nominee to select whomever he wants and their ability in the debates is of no consequence. As to Bachmann and her continuous attack on the other candidates it is beginning to wear a little thin. They leave her alone and she cannot understand that attacking the others will not improve her position. Santorum is in the same boat and must think dragging the others down will somehow push him up. It won’t. In the real world Huntsman, Bachmann, Santorum and Paul would be dropped. Paul will kick and scream but he will never get over his routine 10%, his screaming supporters not withstanding. The role of a moderator should be to throw out a question and let the candidates discuss it among themselves.
inspectorudy on November 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM
Many of the “tea party caucus” members were complete fakes that are in Boehner’s pocket now, so it’s no wonder they don’t like real tea partiers like Bachmann.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Wouldn’t break my heart. : )
FloatingRock on November 13, 2011 at 2:44 PM
In either case it’s a relatively minor issue, unlike Romneycare and the DREAM Act and other illegal alien pandering which actually threaten our nations survival.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2011 at 2:50 PM
Why is Gordon Huntsman still being so heavily supported by the media? I’d rather hear from Buddy and The Pot Guy over good ole Gordo.
Fallon on November 13, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Bachman is a lot tougher than many realize. All the men up there want to rub elbows with the beltway elite except maybe Herman. Truth be told I think Bachman would do more for conservatives and the country than any of the others but she gets shredded by the media and her microphone seems a lot smaller than when she was rallying to stop obamacare.
tim c on November 13, 2011 at 3:05 PM
How difficult would it be, to do to George Soros what Michael J.Fox did in ‘The Secret Of My Success’ (1987)?
Fantasizing minds want to know. : )
listens2glenn on November 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM
Barbara or Rick (in Sarah’s absence : ( . . .).
listens2glenn on November 13, 2011 at 3:12 PM
If Gary Johnson hasn’t been invited to the debates (which is a travesty) because he’s low in the polls, than Huntsman and Santorum should not be invited either since they poll about the same.
Common Sense on November 13, 2011 at 3:14 PM
Bachman or Rick?
I’ll take Bachman, since the Arctic Fox declined for NOW!
tim c on November 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM
But it wasn’t a debate. It was an opportunity for a few select journalists and politicians to enhance their careers at our expense…Bachman is no exception.
repvoter on November 13, 2011 at 3:29 PM
For all you whiners who tremble whenever Newt challenges the media, here you go.
fossten on November 13, 2011 at 3:30 PM
Was there supposed to be a ‘link’ there, somewhere?
listens2glenn on November 13, 2011 at 3:42 PM
No, I’m referring to this thread.
The media deserves, and has deserved, to get smacked in the mouth. They’ve had it coming for a long time, and Newt is getting the job done. One of the main reasons Newt is polling so well is because conservs like me are saying, “It’s about g**damned time.”
fossten on November 13, 2011 at 3:49 PM
I thought it was Willard.
CurtZHP on November 13, 2011 at 3:51 PM
But hypocritical was not the argument against Bachmann. It was that she was insane to say that vaccines are not perfectly safe. That she was anti-vaccine and feeding the meme against vaccinations.
1993 to present is a long time to also come to terms with the morality of something like this. Who says she was ever previously exposed to the negative effects of vaccines before say 1998.
As for an opt out, I would love to see how you feel about your bank having you opt out of all the new services they come up with over time. No opt out and you pay the bill. But I see it as even worse, as the part of the government opt out, you have to sign papers that the government keeps on record. What if in the future a new government decides that any parent who opted out was automatically considered abusive to their kids or some such and determined it was justified to start investigations on every opt out family. You have no idea what the future holds for those records. The strong arm of the government.
astonerii on November 13, 2011 at 4:23 PM
Scott Pelly seemed to take delight in shutting down Bachman.
I kept hoping he’d be called out on it.
Speakup on November 13, 2011 at 4:45 PM
If the RNC allows this debate format to continue NOW, it will be clear that they are NOT working for Republican constituents!!!
landlines on November 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM
apparently is was another Tardasil Moment?
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/11/13/bachmann-campaign-lightens-after-tear-cbs-alleged-bias
Kermit on November 13, 2011 at 5:14 PM
Who is CBS? Oh, you mean DNCBS. Don’t watch them, what shows do they offer?
TulsAmerican on November 13, 2011 at 5:26 PM
Gee wizz, I’d better run out and vote for the illegal alien panderer or the socialist instead. /rolls eyes
Your patheticly minor allegations against Bachmann amount to virtually nothing compared to the huge problems all of the other candidates suffer from.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM
…Or the corporatist TARP supporter that spoke at tea party rallies yet backed Boehner against the tea party at every turn since the ’10 election. Yeah, right, Kermit.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2011 at 5:38 PM
She’s a hypocrite she used gardasil as an emotional plea for campaign donations. They give the Hep shot to babies in Minnesota, there is no parental opt out and it is mandatory. She’s never spoken out voted or proposed bills to get rid of it. Like any shot it’s going to have side effects.
Dr Evil on November 13, 2011 at 6:02 PM
Oh nooooo! Romneycare, here I come! LOL!
FloatingRock on November 13, 2011 at 6:13 PM
Bachmann isn’t my pick, but she’s running for President, and is polling higher than Huntsman although he got ignored too. I don’t think the media should set the standards. It’s not like they are public owned entities. They are not PBS or NPR, although I can’t even imagine both of those public networks bias would be like. Those are privately owned corporate media outlets setting the standards, and format. They are using some old standard NBC introduced in the 1980s for political debates, hello it’s 2011. I don’t remember putting them in charge of the standards for political debates or how or who, we go about electing to public office? Michelle Bachmann is right this time. I think CBS has the worse debate to date, in the long line of republican debates.
Dr Evil on November 13, 2011 at 6:42 PM
Oh.
And that’s so much better, of course.
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fossten on November 13, 2011 at 6:43 PM
I caught this late last night,and posted it on the Newt/Pelly
Thread,and I should have predicted,so I’ll do it now!!
The Lefty spin,will be Bachmann is a Whiner,and now that Bachmann
has exposed the Lefty Bias,watch how well the next debate go’s!
canopfor on November 13, 2011 at 6:47 PM
Did I or did I not argue the hypocrite charge, yet, you did not address that. 1993-2011 is 18 years. She became a legislator for the state in 2000, 7 years after the passage of the shot. Was it a big issue that was being brought to her attention at the time. We all know there are hundreds of thousands of laws on the books in this country that no one even knows exist, until the government decides that it has a target it wants to take out, and then those laws become known to a select few to take them out with. So, was it something that was otherwise being talked about in 2000? Or is it possible she really never noticed, because she has her kids immunized regardless of the mandate? Hence, not a anti-vaccine person. So, hypocrite, or maybe just more informed now? I dunno, but would not be upset if someone asked her when she learned about the Minnesota law, and if she knew before 2007, when did she change her position and why.
But jumping to immediate hypocrite charges seems a bit extreme.
astonerii on November 13, 2011 at 6:53 PM
Excellent points. I also wonder why Iowa, NH, etc. are considered “crucial” in the nomination process.
Demographics have changed, markedly, since the early states we decided to be the bellweather states. When was that, anyway?
Waaaaay too long ago, things have recently changed….as metioned, uh, Internet, streaming, make-your-own-channel you RNC idiots…etc.
So there!
Who is John Galt on November 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM
Bachmann Campaign Expresses Regret After Manager Goes on Tear Over Alleged Bias at CBS
Oops!
Knucklehead on November 13, 2011 at 7:34 PM
These aren’t debates anyway, so who cares? I’d love to hear a real debate instead of this phony question.answer crap from the pinko press.
woodNfish on November 13, 2011 at 8:18 PM
I’m no fan of his but damn I just read that Ron Paul only got 89 seconds out of the 90 minute debate and he’s pulling bigger numbers than Bachmann.
Deanna on November 13, 2011 at 8:38 PM
Honestly, that was a favor to him. If he had more time to tell the American people his ideas on foreign policy. Well, I guess nothing, cause he pretty much has a set percentage of support that is never die. Well, carry on. What I got from the 89 seconds is that every policy that protects America is wrong, but every policy that was crafted by the international community that is harmful to American interests is sacrosanct.
First he says do not do anything with foreign countries, and then follows up with there are international laws against that and we have to follow the law. I think Obama has a better foreign policy.
astonerii on November 13, 2011 at 9:05 PM
Yeah, our foreign policy is soooo working now, isn’t it?
Frankly, I am a fan of Paul, and it’s criminal that every candidate doesn’t get at least some equal time to state their case. This is precisely what the MSM did last election, when we ended up with, of all the moronic choices, John McCain. Was that the best we could have done? No, but that’s what the MSM decided to give us. When are we going to stop letting the Media decide who the best candidate is?
I know that the Dems and the MSM aren’t worried about following Constitutional principles. I guess the Republican Party wants nothing to do with the Constitution either. Paul is the only person on that stage who would follow the Constitution to the letter, and he’s being marginalized by his own party. Shame.
realitycheck on November 13, 2011 at 9:15 PM
“Did CBS intentionally squelch Bachmann in the debate?”
Of course it did.
“…in the hopes that we can get someone else…” is the smoking gun.
David Blue on November 14, 2011 at 12:15 AM
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