Open thread: Who’s up for a Saturday night GOP debate on foreign policy?
posted at 7:15 pm on November 12, 2011 by Allahpundit
Yes, this is really happening. 8 p.m. ET on CBS. As a concession to how low public interest is likely to be, especially head to head with Oregon/Stanford, CBS won’t carry the whole debate. It’ll run for 90 minutes but they’re cutting out at 9 p.m. for … a re-run of “NCIS.” If you want to watch the last half hour, switch over to CBSNews.com or National Journal. Perfectly fitting treatment for a key policy subject that’s been mostly an afterthought this year.
In lieu of a “Quote of the Day,” here’s your thread to follow along. National Journal’s compiled “dossiers” on each of the candidates’ positions, but realistically, casual viewers are watching this for three reasons — to see if Gingrich challenges Romney, to be there in case Perry or Cain commits another brutal gaffe, and to enjoy the fireworks from the inevitable Ron Paul/Rick Santorum argument over whether Iranian archterrorists with nuclear missiles is something we should worry about. I’m actually less curious about their answers than I am about the priority of the questions. Do you start with Iran tonight or with the Eurozone meltdown? Do you tempt the field to dump on Obama for ordering a pullout from Iraq, knowing that fully 77 percent of the public supports that decision? And how long do you wait before the inevitable softball about The One and Sarkozy badmouthing Netanyahu? Newt, for one, is itching to swing at that pitch.
To get you warmed up, a vignette from the campaign trail earlier this afternoon:
Donning a rhinestone “PERRY 2012″ pin on her sweater, Anita Perry knocked on doors on the tree-lined Fairlane Drive here in South Carolina this morning, pressing residents to consider voting for her husband in this presidential election…
“Maybe he won’t stumble tonight,” [a local] woman told Perry as she walked down the steps of her home.
“I hope not,” Perry answered with a laugh.
“That’s OK, that was quite fun. I think it showed he was human-like,” the woman said.
And how is the human-like candidate himself “preparing”? Here’s a photo. Dude, I’m nervous.
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Newt won… again.
Punchenko on November 12, 2011 at 11:30 PM
One of the main stories, as I predicted, on twitter and now politico is the Israel issue.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1111/Foreign_aid_to_zero.html?showall
nswider on November 12, 2011 at 11:19 PM
nswider:Of course the Lefty MSM are gonna run with it,..duh!!
canopfor on November 12, 2011 at 11:30 PM
Thank you Gracie. The “Israel” blooper is already all over twitter and the internet. I can’t wait for his further explanation.
And as far as this foreign policy stuff goes……….look at the promises King Barry made during the 2008 campaign i.e. closing Gitmo etc. And look at what has happened after King Barry got to the Oval Office and got to peek under the hood. He is still basically following many of Bush’s policies.
Sometimes I think some of the foreign policy stuff really is on the job training.
Knucklehead on November 12, 2011 at 11:30 PM
Nope… it shows Perry still remains a threat to both party establishments. He is the one they fear.
They were hoping he would ‘die’ already but he is still alive and kicking so their frustration grow.
Now they will like to make a gaffe where there is none and judging by what they tried doing with his “Social Security is a Ponzi scheme” statement, it will end with many agreeing with his statement.
TheRightMan on November 12, 2011 at 11:30 PM
Oy.
whatcat on November 12, 2011 at 11:31 PM
Well, that explains why the MSM is always going after Cain.
MeatHeadinCA on November 12, 2011 at 11:32 PM
LOL… is that your pathetic excuse for Cain’s pitiful performance?
TheRightMan on November 12, 2011 at 11:33 PM
Guys (or gals I dont know) it was a bad answer. He had a good night, but that was the wrong answer. Its not the end of the world, but Israel is a touchy subject for a lot of people. Ok, this has been fun, but its time for Saturday Night Live. Have a good night everyone, play nice! lol
nswider on November 12, 2011 at 11:33 PM
Everyone here knows Politico is biased, but thank goodness they are doubling down on a policy issue instead of a “bimbo eruption.”
MeatHeadinCA on November 12, 2011 at 11:33 PM
We didn’t go out of our way to arrest them either. American citizens were impressed on British ships in the War of 1812 and they were fired on without hesitation. Tokyo Rose could have been killed in an air raid and nobody would have cared. Citizenship doesn’t protect you from the consequences of belligerency.
sharrukin on November 12, 2011 at 11:34 PM
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canopfor on November 12, 2011 at 11:34 PM
It’s a “have it both ways” double-down:
OOPS Perry Campaign Does Damage Control
whatcat on November 12, 2011 at 11:36 PM
USAID
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Budget & Spending
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http://www.usaid.gov/performance/budget-spending/
canopfor on November 12, 2011 at 11:37 PM
Democrats, and some here, are utter fools and hypocrites, trying to make hay from nothing. The liberals are the ones who hate Israel. That includes their Fool in Chief.
Schadenfreude on November 12, 2011 at 11:38 PM
Ugly. Actually how many pizza guys who have never held political office would do as well as Herman did tonight? He held his own even if he was smooth as silk. That is not pathetic.Instead of insulting someone who has the guts to be on that stage and go toe to toe with people who have been in politics for decades, why don’t you just say you would never vote for a non-politician for President and leave it at that?
txmomof6 on November 12, 2011 at 11:38 PM
and the funny thing is Perry avoided answering the question that was asked and launched into this “cut foreign aid to 0″ with Romney and Newt lapping it up. Then he had to walk it back when the moderator mentioned Israel. He can’t win for losing…and he also doesn’t know what he’s talking about. None of them do except maybe Huntsman ’cause he’s been on the other side.
gracie on November 12, 2011 at 11:39 PM
whatcat on November 12, 2011 at 11:36 PM
You are among the fool I mentioned. You are making hay based on stupidity. Quit while you can.
Schadenfreude on November 12, 2011 at 11:39 PM
was should be wasn’t. Can’t seem to type tonight. Sigh.
txmomof6 on November 12, 2011 at 11:39 PM
fool = fools
Schadenfreude on November 12, 2011 at 11:39 PM
Once again, you’re talking about them being killed on the battlefield. Which, once again raises questions of problems associated with declaring war on non-geographic enitites. But put that aside for a second.
Let us say that instead of broadcasting from Tokyo, Aquino had broadcast from Madrid, a neutral country in the war, but one unlikely to arrest her for American treason charges.
Would the US have been justified in issuing a death warrant on her, and carrying it out on Spanish soil? And would the courts and the people have stood still for that?
JohnGalt23 on November 12, 2011 at 11:40 PM
That didn’t take long. From your link..
But Perry was the big winner tonight or something like that.
Knucklehead on November 12, 2011 at 11:40 PM
Schad, it’s not about hating Israel. It’s not about hating Taiwan or South Korea either. It’s about a coherent policy. A rational policy. Making South Korea earn foreign aid by placing them in the same category as Pakistan is just not very rational. Either cut it all permanently or selectively make cuts.
MeatHeadinCA on November 12, 2011 at 11:41 PM
Guys (or gals I dont know) it was a bad answer. He had a good night, but that was the wrong answer. Its not the end of the world, but Israel is a touchy subject for a lot of people. Ok, this has been fun, but its time for Saturday Night Live. Have a good night everyone, play nice! lol
nswider on November 12, 2011 at 11:33 PM
nswider:
I’m a guy,I stand with Isreal,whatever they have to do,including
NUKING IRAN,if it gets that far!
The questioning in tonights Debate,was on cutting off Foreign Aid
(I agree),however,it morphed into Isarel,after all,ALL COUNTRIES
will be looked at,
and ISRAEL took centre stage,and we all had seen the “CONTEXT”,
however,the Left now have their “SOUNDBITE”,and so,it begins!!
canopfor on November 12, 2011 at 11:42 PM
Thank you. Cain does have a lot of courage and humility. So don’t vote for him if you don’t want a President with those qualities.
gracie on November 12, 2011 at 11:43 PM
Actually it’s all over the news, I didn’t make the statement. I merely (correctly) predicted, as have others, that Perry’s campaign would have to go into damage control mode due to Rick’s screwup.
whatcat on November 12, 2011 at 11:44 PM
He wasn’t the big winner. But he didn’t fall off the stage.
And he didn’t publicly call for the repeal of Medicare like Bachmann, or to turn judgement on what is and isn’t torture over to military officers like Cain.
JohnGalt23 on November 12, 2011 at 11:45 PM
He said Israel would get the aid. He can include all aid receiving nations. Those that support the US and her interests get aid. Those who don’t…won’t! At least that is the way I preceived what he said.
I imagine Israel would play along if it helps defund their enemies.
tmontgomery on November 12, 2011 at 11:45 PM
The “zero aid/Israel” answer wasn’t a blooper: the first time Perry said it, he made it clear that everyone would start at zero and then show why they should receive US $$ in aid; when he was asked about Israel, he answered that they’re special and would get aid — which is what he meant when he said that contries would have to prove that they should receive our $$.
Aslans Girl on November 12, 2011 at 11:45 PM
I went to a Birthday dinner and missed the debate.
Who won?
Who lost?
Who had the biggest screw up?
Did Cain get grilled over the Harassment stuff?
portlandon on November 12, 2011 at 11:47 PM
I was surprised that Newt did a Pawlenty when he folded on repeating his criticism of Romney. Pawlenty left the race due almost entirely to his backing down on the debate stage.
Aslans Girl on November 12, 2011 at 11:48 PM
portlandon on November 12, 2011 at 11:47 PM
I think Perry won, believe it or not, and Newt came in a close second. Cain screwed up because he kept dodging questions (just like he did several months ago with his “I won’t know til after I’m elected.”)
Aslans Girl on November 12, 2011 at 11:49 PM
I went to a Birthday dinner and missed the debate.
Who won? No one
Who lost? No one
Who had the biggest screw up? No one
Did Cain get grilled over the Harassment stuff? No
portlandon on November 12, 2011 at 11:47 PM
U didn’t miss anything my friend. I’m sure the Birthday dinner was much more entertaining.
gracie on November 12, 2011 at 11:52 PM
Thanks AG.
I am glad Perry did better. Hoping to see Newt’s numbers continue to climb, and not surprised to see Cain doing the Political 2-step and avoiding giving answers.
portlandon on November 12, 2011 at 11:52 PM
It was! We went to Red Robin, and they had the Ducks/Stanford game on.
My beloved Ducks stomped Stanford 53-30!!!!
Go Ducks!!
portlandon on November 12, 2011 at 11:53 PM
Oh, clearly Ron Paul won. Other than that, probably Newt Gingrich did the best. Romney played very adequate defense.
Michele Bachmann called for the repeal of Medicare. Hermann Cain said it should be up military officers to determine what is and is not torture.
Hntsman backed up Paul a lot, and Santorum took the line that he takes fairly well.
Rick Perry didn’t fall off of the stage.
JohnGalt23 on November 12, 2011 at 11:54 PM
No, never asked. Perry made a faux pas on Israel, Cain was shaky, Newt was fiery, Bachmann said she’d get rid of Medicare.
We all lost when they cut off the last half hour of the debate.
Knucklehead on November 12, 2011 at 11:55 PM
Under the Perry Plan to start by cutting off all aid to Israel, what does Israel have to do to prove it is “worthy”? How long will it take for them to go through whatever his process is to be able to get aid again?
whatcat on November 12, 2011 at 11:55 PM
don’t believe it portlandon. Aslan’s hair is very brown cause her head is up Perry’s buttsky and she’ll tromp on Cain or anyone else to lift her man up. Dude Perry is full of poo.
gracie on November 12, 2011 at 11:55 PM
Just to Repost,where Rick Perry stands with Isreal!
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Heres the SHITFIT from the MSM,Rick Perry traveled to
Isreal,to accept the,DEFENDER OF JERUSLEM AWARD!!!!
Thats all I needed to hear!
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CBS 11 Report: Rick Perry’s Secret Trip
Oct 29, 2009
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS0XN707yKI
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Defender of Jerusalem Award
Fri, 08/14/2009 – 12:42pm
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This week Governor Perry traveled to Jerusalem where he received the Defender of Jerusalem Award. Created in 2008 by Guma Aguiar, head of the Lillian Jean Kaplan Foundation, the award tributes dignitaries from around the world who have demonstrated strong support for the people of Israel.
“I have long supported the right of a Jewish state to exist in the Middle East, ” said Gov. Perry. “After visiting several sacred and historic sites, meeting with business, civic and government leaders and seeing the day-to-day lives of the people on my trips to Israel, I am even more convinced that a safe, secure Israel is an essential part of stability in this part of the world.”
Texas, Israel’s fourth-largest American trading partner, has built a strong
economic relationship with Israel, especially within the agriculture and natural resource industries. During a visit in 2007, Gov. Perry helped launch the Texas-Israel Chamber of Commerce was created to help launch future commercial interests and solidify the strong business and cultural connections between the two states.
For the full article or more information regarding the Defender of Jerusalem Award please visit the official state press release here
http://www.rickperry.org/blog/defender-jerusalem-award
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*********Official State Press Release
Gov. Perry Receives Defender of Jerusalem Award
Thursday, August 13, 2009 • Press Release
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/13440/
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canopfor on May 19, 2011 at 11:06 PM
canopfor on November 12, 2011 at 11:55 PM
Oh, and they didn’t touch it.
JohnGalt23 on November 12, 2011 at 11:56 PM
I find it a little ironic Perry would make Israel prove they deserved our aid; but he’s perfectly fine with giving aid to illegals ;)
MeatHeadinCA on November 12, 2011 at 11:56 PM
Compared to dodging questions and clearly not knowing a dang thing about Chinese copyright infringement?
MeatHeadinCA on November 12, 2011 at 11:57 PM
JohnGalt23 on November 12, 2011 at 11:54 PM
While I appreciate your defense of Perry-Ron Paul didn’t win.
He never wins on foreign policy…because his views of what constitutes good foreign policy are dangerous.
annoyinglittletwerp on November 12, 2011 at 11:57 PM
No doubt Ron Paul was cheering her on, huh? ;)
MeatHeadinCA on November 12, 2011 at 11:58 PM
You and the liberal fools are one tonight. Shake hands.
Schadenfreude on November 12, 2011 at 11:59 PM
touche
gracie on November 13, 2011 at 12:00 AM
How do you define torture, upon what do you base your opinion, and would you ever use it?
txmomof6 on November 13, 2011 at 12:01 AM
Brad Huntsman may deserve all your witty snark. But his three daughters, appearing on Hannity earlier this week and on Geraldo tonight, are attractive, funny and charming.
Perry was smart in answering the same questions given to the perceived top tier, thus fighting the MSM’s attempt to render him irrelevant. Americans love to root for the underdog who succeeds in improving. That is the original premise of contests like American Idol and the reason Clay Aiken and Elliott Yamin became so popular during their seasons. Perry may benefit from the same phenonenom if he continues to perform competently and display his self-effacing humor balanced by assertive replies to debate questions.
Terrie on November 13, 2011 at 12:01 AM
I believe you’ll find him use therm “phase it out” quite a bit when talking about the entitlements.
Now don’t get me wrong… I’d love to punt Medicare, tomorrow.
I just think the voters of important swing states like Florida and Pennsylvania might disagree…
JohnGalt23 on November 13, 2011 at 12:02 AM
Those of you who claim that Perry goofed on Israel have no functioning brain cells and are the same as all the leftie hypocrits. Get your gray matter engaged.
Objectivity and logic are not only indignant, they are in the gutter/dumpster.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:02 AM
Under the Perry Plan to start by cutting off all aid to Israel, what does Israel have to do to prove it is “worthy”? How long will it take for them to go through whatever his process is to be able to get aid again?
whatcat on November 12, 2011 at 11:55 PM
whatcat:Perry,was awarded,The Defender of Jerusalem Award,and
Isreal,knows where Rick Perry stands!
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Perry receives award in Israel
Economic Development Campaign Update
August 13, 2009
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Associated Press
AUSTIN, Texas — Gov. Rick Perry has accepted the Defender of Jerusalem Award, given to public figures who have demonstrated support for the state of Israel.
Perry, whose office said he was still in Israel on Thursday, also met with President Shimon Peres, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and business and academic leaders during his trip.
He traveled to Israel Sunday and is scheduled to return to Texas on Saturday.
Doheny Global Group, an investment company, is paying for the trip, Perry’s office said Thursday.
The Defender of Jerusalem Award was created in 2008 by Guma Aguiar, head of the Lillian Jean Kaplan Foundation.
Perry has made previous trips to Israel. He emphasizes business connections between Israel and Texas through the Texas-Israel Chamber of Commerce, his office said.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6571156.html
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http://www.governorperry.com/media-articles/perry-receives-award-israel/
canopfor on November 13, 2011 at 12:03 AM
Mmmm hmmm
Look, Ron Paul would struggle to get elected for the same reason Michele Bachmann would: both want to cut off too much government.
:(
MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2011 at 12:03 AM
No zero-basing there.
whatcat on November 13, 2011 at 12:03 AM
Okay, I’ve been putting off getting dinner for way too long. Try to keep the thread alive until I get back.
JohnGalt23 on November 13, 2011 at 12:04 AM
For the challenged, or otherwife afflicted:
1. All countries start with zero aid.
2. Are you a friend? Yes – Isreale is a friend.
3. Aid granted.
4. No – Iran is not a frined – not granted
5. So-so – Pakistand is so-so – continue to negotiate
All other is illogical, hate for other candidate, or sick love for own one.
…or you are a liberal hypocritical moron.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:04 AM
Sorry for typos.
May Obama win because our side deserves to lose.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:05 AM
Schad, you’re a good poster; but you’re doing some Perry name calling.
Perry’s policy definitely appears to be lacking a logical foundation.
MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2011 at 12:05 AM
Allowing the children of illegals — who’ve paid into the system for at least three years (plus other conditions they have to meet) — PAY FOR TUITION at the state-rate is NOT “giving aid” to them. Lies.
Aslans Girl on November 13, 2011 at 12:05 AM
Except he didn’t know about this….
Rick Perry has no problem with starting everyone a zero for foreign aid, including Israel, but come on down to Texas where we’ll help you pay for in-state college tuition.
Link
Knucklehead on November 13, 2011 at 12:07 AM
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:04 AM
Exactly. Plus, Perry is the BIGGEST friend of Israel up on that stage. This will give him a chance to show off his credentials, like his “Defender of Jerusalem” award from ’09 and how he met with Peres and Netanyahu when he accepted it. Perry stood with Bob Turner and the orthodox that day not too long ago for a press conference. American Zionists know this about him.
Aslans Girl on November 13, 2011 at 12:08 AM
You two are lacking in logic. Perry is completely pro Israel. You are bashing him on what is not one of his fleas. Only the left do such. I’m very sorry for you because I like you a lot. I loved what he said about the zero aid, as a start. We/he all know that Isreal would not be included. That we even talk about this makes me mad enough to wish for Obama to win. We don’t deserve better.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:08 AM
Actually Cain’s answer is pretty good on that question. Would we rather have a terrorist’s lawyer decide such things or our men & women in uniform (who have to actually handle the terrorists)?
whatcat on November 13, 2011 at 12:09 AM
My gray and white matter are fully engaged (u need ‘em both to think). He thought it was a clever thing to say but he didn’t think through it and got tripped up when Israel came into view. I just think it’s a patently stupid idea…a crowd pleaser maybe but dumb.
gracie on November 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:08 AM
Love ya, Schadenfreude :)
Aslans Girl on November 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM
So, naturally, he wants to cut US aid to Israel down to zero to prove it. Yeah, makes sense.
whatcat on November 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM
With enormous sadness and regret, you lost it on this one. The entire article is a leftie smear, with no reality or logic, or not a smidgeon of truth in it. I’m very sorry for you Knuck. You have become a parody which moved from Perry to Cain. I’m very, very sad to see this becaue you have one of the better brains around, are quick. That you don’t see that Perry would never include Israel in the zero baseline is a sad moment to witness. We need no enemies from the left. We have them within.
Oh yes, you can spew back if you wish. I will continue to admire you for your general wit and wisdom, but I will look for you to talk to yourself. Otherwise there is no hope for way too many.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:13 AM
whatcat on November 13, 2011 at 12:09 AM
I don’t disagree with you, it wasn’t as nuanced an answer as certain bloggers and pundits prefer but it seems more practical.
txmomof6 on November 13, 2011 at 12:13 AM
No, but YOU are a big fool to claim this.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:14 AM
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:08 AM
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:08 AM
Love ya, Schadenfreude :)
Aslans Girl on November 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM
Ditto.
annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2011 at 12:14 AM
Always did love you AG. The parlor is in disarray, as is the good land.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:15 AM
Yup, that’s how it went down, leaving the campaign to issue “clarifications” to clean up the mess.
whatcat on November 13, 2011 at 12:15 AM
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:13 AM
Please save your breath.
annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2011 at 12:16 AM
Watch a fool comment “get a room”.
Back at you alt – you are the strong one among us.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:16 AM
Otay,Peeps/Peepettes,play nice,
GoodNight Everyone———————————:)
canopfor on November 13, 2011 at 12:17 AM
NO, I’m not looking to fight. I’m looking for some of our good ones to see the light. Often we, self included, need to look into a mirror, or to simply reflect.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:17 AM
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:16 AM
Thanks-but i don’t feel ‘strong’…I feel weary.
annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2011 at 12:18 AM
I don’t think Perry’s answer on Israel was bad, but I can certainly see how easily it could be taken out of context. Which is exactly what the Left excels at. Maybe another round on Letterman will fix it.
txmomof6 on November 13, 2011 at 12:18 AM
canopfor on November 13, 2011 at 12:17 AM
As Hornet would say “Good night Canada”.
You are the nicest Canadian on HA :)
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:19 AM
Approach is like Perry would. Make them prove they’ve earned this subsidy.
MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2011 at 12:19 AM
Must hang in there for another year. After that it either gets better or we go 100% gulching.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2011 at 12:19 AM
I’m not bashing…I just think he has a dumb idea….and I don’t care if u agree with it or not, Schadenfreude. Stop throwing such a hissy fit.
The dude Perry is just not too quick. The nicest thing someone did say about him( i think it was JohnGalt23) is that he didn’t fall off the stage tonite. Well, he was fixing to with the last question but they cut him off before he could knife himself.
gracie on November 13, 2011 at 12:20 AM
I have no problem understanding exactly what “zero” means. If Perry gets out there and explains what Israel has to do to deserve being re-funded after being de-funded, I’m certainly up for hearing his explanation.
At any rate, it’s his own self-created problem, not mine and I have zero doubt his handlers are coaching him on damage control. Look for his own “clarification” soon, it’s surely coming.
whatcat on November 13, 2011 at 12:21 AM
MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2011 at 12:19 AM
I like the way you think. Does it come from living behind enemy lines?
txmomof6 on November 13, 2011 at 12:21 AM
If you don’t want to defund Israel to zero, then I say you don’t have a heart.
whatcat on November 13, 2011 at 12:23 AM
You agree with Perry then! That is EXACTLY how Perry and the TX legislature approached the issue. The children of illegals have several hoops they have to jump through in order to show that they’re qualified to be allowed to PAY the tutition at the state-rate.
Aslans Girl on November 13, 2011 at 12:25 AM
Don’t feel sorry for me. And I never claimed Perry isn’t pro-Israel. As I keep pointing out, his idea is an illogical one. You don’t place Israel in the same category as Pakistan and make her “earn” the aid.
Either get rid of foreign aid or make an executive decision and start cutting aid to the nations that shouldn’t get it.
Exactly. Stealing a line from Knucklehead, he shot from the hip. Sounds good. Yeah, Perry is against giving foreign aid to the slime balls! But when you sort of sit down and think about it, it becomes a convoluted mess.
Who is really going to make Israel, Taiwan, South Korea, and others prove their worth? On top of that, you’d have to be in Ron Paul territory to completely cut off Pakistan (a nuclear power). This is just not prudent for someone wishing to maintain a strong US presence around the world.
MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2011 at 12:25 AM
I was thinking more like they could show how many bucks they sent into the system to somehow earn the subsidy. It seems pretty straight forward, no?
MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2011 at 12:26 AM
Except for the hoops required to be here legally. Really, stop while you are ahead. Perry had a good night, don’t remind people why they have a problem with him. Let him bask in the glow for a little while.
txmomof6 on November 13, 2011 at 12:28 AM
Currently not living behind enemy lines (Ugh… time to change residency).
But I can say from experience, being a hardcore conservative in a solid blue state makes you really think about things. It’s so easy to just take that blue pill and not wake up.
MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2011 at 12:29 AM
To employ a Cainism, Perry is just not thinking clearly about apples and oranges.
whatcat on November 13, 2011 at 12:29 AM
That’s quite a nice thing to hear coming from you. You’ve long been one of my favorite posters.
Aslans Girl on November 13, 2011 at 12:30 AM
txmomof6 on November 13, 2011 at 12:28 AM
I didn’t bring it up. Meaty did and presented it completely dishonestly by calling it “aid”, which it’s not.
Aslans Girl on November 13, 2011 at 12:31 AM
That would be a nightmare for Perry.
BTW, to sort of change the topic. Perry is supposed to be the one going after Mitt; though, in my opinion, he isn’t up to the task.
Are we going to hear him go after Mitt’s bit about China stealing our jobs? Mitt’s veiled threats at a trade war? I mean, aren’t Perry and Mitt both disciples of Friedman?
MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2011 at 12:31 AM
Knucklehead has become that which she feared and derided the most – a cultist akin to some of the most rabid Palinistas and Paulnuts that Hot Air has ever seen.
She was one of those that used to lambast the most extreme Palinistas for their inability to see reason and their blind devotion to Palin.
Alas it only took one man – Cain – to get her to drop her reason and become a cultist. It’s official – Knucklehead is no longer a Cainiac but a Cainista.
LOL…
TheRightMan on November 13, 2011 at 12:32 AM
Until you can prove otherwise it’s a subsidy. If it’s not a subsidy, you’re paying for someone else’s subsidy. That’s how socialism works.
MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2011 at 12:32 AM
Careful there. Not all of us can attain True Believer status on the interwebz.
MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2011 at 12:34 AM
Aslans Girl on November 13, 2011 at 12:31 AM
I know he did, but it was just a little snark. Chill. We should all be in this together to defeat the One.
txmomof6 on November 13, 2011 at 12:34 AM
TheRightMan on November 13, 2011 at 12:32 AM
I agree with your assessment-but I’m not laughing.
It makes me sad.
annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2011 at 12:36 AM
And, may I add, get a reasonably conservative guy/gal nominated. Someone that knows the issues and can defend/promote them.
MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2011 at 12:37 AM
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