Open thread: Who’s up for a Saturday night GOP debate on foreign policy?
posted at 7:15 pm on November 12, 2011 by Allahpundit
Yes, this is really happening. 8 p.m. ET on CBS. As a concession to how low public interest is likely to be, especially head to head with Oregon/Stanford, CBS won’t carry the whole debate. It’ll run for 90 minutes but they’re cutting out at 9 p.m. for … a re-run of “NCIS.” If you want to watch the last half hour, switch over to CBSNews.com or National Journal. Perfectly fitting treatment for a key policy subject that’s been mostly an afterthought this year.
In lieu of a “Quote of the Day,” here’s your thread to follow along. National Journal’s compiled “dossiers” on each of the candidates’ positions, but realistically, casual viewers are watching this for three reasons — to see if Gingrich challenges Romney, to be there in case Perry or Cain commits another brutal gaffe, and to enjoy the fireworks from the inevitable Ron Paul/Rick Santorum argument over whether Iranian archterrorists with nuclear missiles is something we should worry about. I’m actually less curious about their answers than I am about the priority of the questions. Do you start with Iran tonight or with the Eurozone meltdown? Do you tempt the field to dump on Obama for ordering a pullout from Iraq, knowing that fully 77 percent of the public supports that decision? And how long do you wait before the inevitable softball about The One and Sarkozy badmouthing Netanyahu? Newt, for one, is itching to swing at that pitch.
To get you warmed up, a vignette from the campaign trail earlier this afternoon:
Donning a rhinestone “PERRY 2012″ pin on her sweater, Anita Perry knocked on doors on the tree-lined Fairlane Drive here in South Carolina this morning, pressing residents to consider voting for her husband in this presidential election…
“Maybe he won’t stumble tonight,” [a local] woman told Perry as she walked down the steps of her home.
“I hope not,” Perry answered with a laugh.
“That’s OK, that was quite fun. I think it showed he was human-like,” the woman said.
And how is the human-like candidate himself “preparing”? Here’s a photo. Dude, I’m nervous.
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I wonder if Perry will remember there is a debate tonight.
portlandon on November 12, 2011 at 7:17 PM
Anyone have a link for streaming?
sharrukin on November 12, 2011 at 7:17 PM
Newt..!
Seven Percent Solution on November 12, 2011 at 7:17 PM
SERIOUSLY???
cripe…
cmsinaz on November 12, 2011 at 7:18 PM
10 bucks says there will be an OCCUPY related interruption during the debates tonight.
portlandon on November 12, 2011 at 7:19 PM
Seeing as this is a foreign policy debate I think we clearly need to start with a question to Cain about sexual harassment.
clement on November 12, 2011 at 7:20 PM
that will NOT be brought up tonight…looks bad on dear leader and the lsm does not want to do anything to make dear leader look bad
cmsinaz on November 12, 2011 at 7:20 PM
Read that DeMint and Graham were going to ask some of the questions tonight.
As for Perry – I don’t know whether to watch, not watch, get drunk, eat junk food or just hide under my blanket until it’s done.
To ditto AP – dude I’m nervous.
gophergirl on November 12, 2011 at 7:20 PM
cmsinaz on November 12, 2011 at 7:21 PM
*clink*
a little heineken tonight…
cmsinaz on November 12, 2011 at 7:21 PM
Being a Perry supporter, I have already begun drinking. lol
kg598301 on November 12, 2011 at 7:22 PM
Newt’s night if he seizes it…no one can touch him when he’s ON!
winston on November 12, 2011 at 7:23 PM
The Ducks will destroy Stanford.
portlandon on November 12, 2011 at 7:24 PM
Just took a big ol’ steelhead trout filet off the grill (mesquite). Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
It’s a beautiful night here in south Texas.
kg598301 on November 12, 2011 at 7:24 PM
Let me get this straight. CBS is seriously going preempt their own debate for a rerun?
Knucklehead on November 12, 2011 at 7:24 PM
Begun?
You mean that you had stopped?
;)
turfmann on November 12, 2011 at 7:24 PM
IOW, check ya’ll later while you fill my comment quota to the brim. AllahP is goin’ drinkin’…cya!
ted c on November 12, 2011 at 7:25 PM
LOL!
gophergirl on November 12, 2011 at 7:26 PM
Debate At Wofford College
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http://www.wofford.edu/debate/
canopfor on November 12, 2011 at 7:26 PM
Wow. What a joke.
MadisonConservative on November 12, 2011 at 7:27 PM
That will be enough out of you.
Here in the land of the cod and the bean, the sun is going down at about noontime.
And will continue to march in the wrong direction for another six weeks.
At least I don’t live in Alaska.
turfmann on November 12, 2011 at 7:27 PM
HA! Your cheap shots bounce right off of me! Because, as I said, I’m drinking.
;D
kg598301 on November 12, 2011 at 7:27 PM
IOW, check ya’ll later while you fill my comment quota to the brim. AllahP is goin’ drinkin’…cya!
ted c on November 12, 2011 at 7:25 PM
ted c:AP must have a date,or its Kitty Bath Night!:)
canopfor on November 12, 2011 at 7:28 PM
I hope that brisk jog doesn’t make Perry tired.
kringeesmom on November 12, 2011 at 7:28 PM
Perry supporter, not drinking. Que sera sera.
El_Terrible on November 12, 2011 at 7:28 PM
*clink* Crown and water night for me! hehe
sicoit on November 12, 2011 at 7:29 PM
I wonder if Cain will remember how to pronounce Uzbeki-beki-beki-stan?
Oh, and perhaps he’ll warn us again that China is trying to develop nuclear capabilities.
monique on November 12, 2011 at 7:29 PM
I was just thinking the same thing.
Knucklehead on November 12, 2011 at 7:29 PM
Two new episodes of ‘Cops’ tonight… I’ll watch those instead & catch the debate synopsis later.
Ugly on November 12, 2011 at 7:30 PM
Lets see,a bowl of peach yogurt,and a fresh brewed tea-bagged
cup 0′ tea,
fired up….
ready to go……
together we thrive………
we can’t wait!!!!
(sarc)
canopfor on November 12, 2011 at 7:30 PM
To be honest my drink of choice is Diet Pepsi. So I guess I’m not “drinking” either.
gophergirl on November 12, 2011 at 7:30 PM
Now that Ron Paul is my candidate I’m not looking forward to a foreign policy debate, but our country is circling the drain and we’re in no position to bail out the rest of the world anymore, economically or militarily. Once we get our own house in order I hope we’ll be in a position to promote freedom and liberty again, but right now we are on the verge of losing freedom and liberty right here in our own country, so the rest of the world will just have to wait.
FloatingRock on November 12, 2011 at 7:31 PM
Ron Paul’s night to shine!!
/bravado
JohnGalt23 on November 12, 2011 at 7:31 PM
From Doug Powers at MM’s site!
sicoit on November 12, 2011 at 7:32 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/2718-250_162-1335.html
BCrago66 on November 12, 2011 at 7:33 PM
You’re not just a bit biased there are ya?? :)
With any “luck”, it will be Stanford moving on into NC contention.
Rovin on November 12, 2011 at 7:34 PM
You know, a healthy red-blooded American male could get some ideas, seeing that in print and all.
Jus’ saying.
platypus on November 12, 2011 at 7:35 PM
71 degrees here and 65 percent humidity. Not to rub it in or anything…
kg598301 on November 12, 2011 at 7:35 PM
Perry might make it through as long as there are no questions on the three branches of government. Otherwise I’ve already put my bet on the 41 minute mark as when he will serve up his latest bowl of “slip du bate”.
whatcat on November 12, 2011 at 7:36 PM
Sexual harrassment! ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!
kg598301 on November 12, 2011 at 7:37 PM
Stanford/Oregon 2012!
But seriously folks, I’m watching the game. I need to see how well the Colts quarterback of the future will play. *just keep losing, Colts*
predator on November 12, 2011 at 7:37 PM
Thanks.
sharrukin on November 12, 2011 at 7:37 PM
CBS News poll: “Gingrich most trusted to handle an international crisis (31%), followed by Romney (19%) and Cain (8%).” bit.ly/u2l77y
nickj116 on November 12, 2011 at 7:37 PM
It’s a big fuzzy furry blanket too ;)
gophergirl on November 12, 2011 at 7:37 PM
People…!!!
How many times have I told you we can’t start the debates without a drinkng game!!!
Seven Percent Solution on November 12, 2011 at 7:39 PM
I love my Ducks.
sobincorporated on November 12, 2011 at 7:39 PM
Over at Michelle Malkin’s site, Doug Powers sets the scene for the debate thus:
onlineanalyst on November 12, 2011 at 7:40 PM
If CBS doesn’t even give a crap about their own debate, why should I? I’ll just fire up some Uncharted 3 tonight instead and catch the highlights(and lowlights) later.
Doughboy on November 12, 2011 at 7:42 PM
I wish Campaign Carl had left Fox instead of Major Garrett.
TxAnn56 on November 12, 2011 at 7:42 PM
They all should have boycotted this one…
d1carter on November 12, 2011 at 7:43 PM
Anybody got the link to the twitter feed?
gophergirl on November 12, 2011 at 7:43 PM
So what are the odds that more questions than normal go to Ron Paul?
El_Terrible on November 12, 2011 at 7:43 PM
He’s probably “plugged in” to his key points, so that his rhythm doesn’t break its stride.
Gingrich and Santorum are going to be the stars if foreign policy and national security are the topics.
onlineanalyst on November 12, 2011 at 7:44 PM
+1
I’m not sure how Campaign Carl even held onto his job the way he falsely smeared Fred Thompson during the ’08 primaries.
FloatingRock on November 12, 2011 at 7:44 PM
I wish Campaign Carl had left Fox instead of Major Garrett.
TxAnn56 on November 12, 2011 at 7:42 PM
+1
predator on November 12, 2011 at 7:44 PM
People…!!!
How many times have I told you we can’t start the debates without a drinkng game!!!
Seven Percent Solution on November 12, 2011 at 7:39 PM
Seven Percent Soluton:Lets Roll:)
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Sammy Hagar – Mas Tequila
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR907MlF8zk
canopfor on November 12, 2011 at 7:45 PM
Wasn’t Major Garrett married to Gene Roddenberry?
whatcat on November 12, 2011 at 7:46 PM
+1
I’m not sure how Campaign Carl even held onto his job the way he falsely smeared Fred Thompson during the ’08 primaries.
FloatingRock on November 12, 2011 at 7:44 PM
Yeah, so much for Fox being a “right-wing news organization.”
predator on November 12, 2011 at 7:46 PM
I wish Campaign Carl had left Fox instead of Major Garrett.
TxAnn56 on November 12, 2011 at 7:42 PM
TxAnn56:Lol,you go girl———–:)
canopfor on November 12, 2011 at 7:47 PM
I agree. If there are any more debates that aren’t fully televised they should cancel them.
FloatingRock on November 12, 2011 at 7:47 PM
drinkng game!!!
Lol! I think you’ve already started your game.:)
predator on November 12, 2011 at 7:48 PM
And Bachmann
FloatingRock on November 12, 2011 at 7:48 PM
Rick Skerry: “What, who am I?”
carbon_footprint on November 12, 2011 at 7:49 PM
I wonder if the candidates know their being preempted for reruns in the last half hour?
Knucklehead on November 12, 2011 at 7:49 PM
Foreign Policy is not mutually exclusive to Domestic policy, they are intertwined.
jp on November 12, 2011 at 7:50 PM
cmsinaz on November 12, 2011 at 7:50 PM
gophergirl on November 12, 2011 at 7:20 PM
I’m going to have a large mug of Bailey’s and Coffee at my elbow.
Where are my manners?
Greetings fellow Perry supporters! Evil Doers-BEWARE!!!*wink*
annoyinglittletwerp on November 12, 2011 at 7:51 PM
Whose bright idea was it to schedule this on a Saturday night?
jp on November 12, 2011 at 7:51 PM
You add so much to the debate carbon.
Sheesh.
ArmyAunt on November 12, 2011 at 7:51 PM
Hey ALT
*clink*
cmsinaz on November 12, 2011 at 7:52 PM
So, what’s the drinking-game word tonight? Iran? Nuke? China? Israel?
Soon-to-be-unsober minds want to know…. :)
Who is John Galt on November 12, 2011 at 7:52 PM
That’s true, but once you’ve lost your homeland then the battles overseas are over too, and we’re on the verge of losing our homeland IMO.
FloatingRock on November 12, 2011 at 7:52 PM
NCIS reruns, or another circus of talking heads…
I cant decide.
mythicknight on November 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM
Us Perry supporters are a hearty bunch :)
A hot drink sounds good – maybe I’ll go grab a mug of hot chocolate myself.
gophergirl on November 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM
MMMMMMMMM, that sounds good. Greetings to you too ALT! :)
sicoit on November 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM
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canopfor on November 12, 2011 at 7:54 PM
CBS will not broadcast it’s own debate? I’ll skip it too.
crash72 on November 12, 2011 at 7:54 PM
Rick Skerry: “Of course, the Three Stooges are Moe, Larry and … um, there is Larry, Moe and then….”
Moderator: “Governor, you do not know the third Stooge, do you?”
Rick Skerry: “Nah, oops!”
carbon_footprint on November 12, 2011 at 7:54 PM
we will lose our homeland and economy if we forfeit our global trade and commerce infrastructure
jp on November 12, 2011 at 7:54 PM
Then energy independence AKA reenergizing our oil resources should be Perry’s strong suit.
Repeating 999 is not going to cut it during this debate.
onlineanalyst on November 12, 2011 at 7:54 PM
The Party-Csar?
Who is John Galt on November 12, 2011 at 7:55 PM
We are!
And not because we are “in love” with the candidate.
Personally I don’t care how he debates.
Because I can see how he GOVERNS!
ArmyAunt on November 12, 2011 at 7:55 PM
Carbon is a good guy. The Rick Skerry thing is a joke.
gophergirl on November 12, 2011 at 7:56 PM
Odds that Mike Huntsman makes a stupid joke regarding Rick Perry and his brain freeze?
carbon_footprint on November 12, 2011 at 7:56 PM
about dang time
cmsinaz on November 12, 2011 at 7:56 PM
I’m going to have a large mug of Bailey’s and Coffee at my elbow.
Where are my manners?
Greetings fellow Perry supporters! Evil Doers-BEWARE!!!*wink*
annoyinglittletwerp on November 12, 2011 at 7:51 PM
Howdy twerp! I’m drinking SR211 tonight. It’s cheap, nasty, and veeeeeeerrrrry potent. In other words, it’s perfect!
predator on November 12, 2011 at 7:57 PM
Thank you GG. Sorry ArmyAunt, I actually like Rick Perry.
carbon_footprint on November 12, 2011 at 7:57 PM
mr cmsinaz likes newt…
cmsinaz on November 12, 2011 at 7:57 PM
I don’t think it will come to that. Ron Paul will be the first POTUS in my lifetime, I think, that will actually confine himself to the Constitution, which means the RINO congress we’ll give him will check his ability to do too much too fast.
FloatingRock on November 12, 2011 at 7:57 PM
Thanks for telling me :)
Getting a little tired of being kicked while down.
ArmyAunt on November 12, 2011 at 7:57 PM
Take a sip every time:
- A candidate mentions Ronald Reagan
- Michele Bachmann interrupts the moderator
- Herman Cain laughs at one of his own jokes
- Rick Perry says “jobs”
- Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain agree
- Mitt Romney has that, “How the fuck are these people close to me in the polls” look
Take a chug every time:
- A candidate mentions a country other than America, Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan
- A candidate says “Occupy Wall Street” in a sentence that doesn’t contain the words, “nonsense,” “hippie,” “spoiled,” “misguided,” or “Soros-funded granola-fueled anything-goes sex caravan.”
Finish your drink every time:
- Jon Huntsman says something sane and is booed off the stage
- A candidate takes out a picture of Ronald Reagan from their wallet and kisses it
- A candidate says “Obamacare” while making a masturbation gesture with his or her hand
- Herman Cain makes a pass at moderator Scott Pelley
- Newt Gingrich asks for twelve more minutes of time and is awarded it
- Rick Santorum’s phone goes off to reveal that his ringtone is Cher’s “Believe”
mythicknight on November 12, 2011 at 7:58 PM
Your Rick Skerry posts make me laugh.
gophergirl on November 12, 2011 at 7:58 PM
Greetings fellow Perry supporters! Evil Doers-BEWARE!!!*wink*
annoyinglittletwerp on November 12, 2011 at 7:51 PM
annoyinglittletwerp:
I hope this time,that Perry doesn’t jam it into reverse again,haha
ahem!:)
Cheers:)
canopfor on November 12, 2011 at 7:58 PM
our tv menu says 48 hour mystery will start at 9
cmsinaz on November 12, 2011 at 7:58 PM
Absolutely correct.
We’ve reached the point where domestic policy and foreign policy have become inseparable – paying down the national debt should be our #1 foreign policy objective, and Ron Paul is the only candidate with a plan to balance the budget by the end of his first term.
Why do I say the debt is the biggest threat to our national security? History provides the answer: a nation with large foreign debts cannot pursue an independent foreign policy.
The Suez Crisis provides a graphic example that if you go deeply into debt trying to direct the affairs of other nations, you end up having your own affairs directed in turn by your creditor nations. Britain and France decisively defeated the Egyptians at every turn militarily during the Suez Crisis, but the Eisenhower Administration was able to force Britain to sign a cease-fire and withdraw by threatening to sell the United States’ holdings of UK Sterling Bonds. We had it within our power to destroy the pound, and so the UK had to obey our wishes – France and Britain were forced to withdraw from the Suez in shame. This was a total strategic defeat that strongly contributed to the complete unraveling of both their Empires over the next 10 years.
Ron Paul points out, correctly, that we have put ourselves in the shame position vis a vis China that the UK and France were in relative to us in the 1950s, and that this debt is the foremost threat we face because it will leave us unable to pursue an independent foreign policy. Rather, we will need to clear everything with the bond markets and our creditors.
Inkblots on November 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM
I’m glad.
Here’s to Mr. Perry having a great night.
carbon_footprint on November 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM
Not a Perry supporter, but I hope he does well tonight. I’ll be rooting for him.
lynncgb on November 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM
Sorry Carbon.
I am just disheartened that just because he can’t debate, but CAN govern, he probably won’t get the nomination.
He has done great things in Texas, I would like to see that implemented across the entire country.
ArmyAunt on November 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM
Eh, only political junkies will be tuning in. Candidates only have to worry about stumbling and having the clip spread like wildfire on youtube.
MeatHeadinCA on November 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM
Well, it is about the only way to provoke fireworks in a GOP foreign policy debate. Otherwise, it would all sound like “I agree with Newt…”
JohnGalt23 on November 12, 2011 at 8:00 PM
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