WaPo: Why aren’t people totally into our awesome economic growth?
posted at 11:00 am on November 11, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
When something appears inexplicable, it’s best to start by checking assumptions first. Ylan Mui at the Washington Post should have taken that advice before reporting on a “rift” between the supposedly good economic growth an the American state of mind:
A rift is emerging between Americans’ state of mind and the state of the economy.
The economy is getting stronger, with the nation’s gross domestic product growing at its fastest clip so far this year. The number of new people signing up for unemployment benefits has steadily declined, and consumer spending is rising.
But by almost any measure, Americans remain unhappy. Consumer confidence has plunged to levels last seen during the financial crisis. A recent Nielsen poll found that nine out of 10 Americans believe the country is still in a recession. … This persistent pessimism has perplexed economists.
So what are the assumptions that lead this article? First, Mui implies that the economy is heating up, and that the weekly initial jobless claims rate indicates a significant improvement that consumers should notice. Neither are true.
Let’s start with GDP growth. The third quarter did deliver the best growth number of the year — but that’s a very, very low bar to clear. It hit 2.5%, which beat 1.3% in the 2nd quarter and 0.4% in Q1. But annualized 2.5% GDP growth in a quarter doesn’t indicate a strong economy; at best, it indicates a mediocre economy. It also ignores the economic impact of the Japanese tsunamis and oil-price shocks in the earlier quarters. Look at this graph from the Bureau of Economic Analysis that charts quarterly GDP reports to see how that fits into our economic trajectory:
The Q3 measure puts us in the same post-recovery trajectory that we had before the tsunamis and the oil-price shocks. It’s not significant growth, and there is no reason for consumers to get excited about a preliminary report of 2.5% annualized GDP growth in any quarter.
How about the initial jobless claims? First, the problem for consumers isn’t in the jobless claims themselves, it’s what they represent. We aren’t adding jobs in significant enough numbers to re-employ the millions who lost their jobs. In the post-recovery period, we have added an average of 125,000 net jobs per month — which is only enough to keep up with population growth, not to eat into the swollen ranks of the chronically unemployed. Last month we didn’t even get that much, only adding 80,000 net jobs. However, even looking at the initial jobless claims, we’re only approaching the Q1 range of 380,000 per week, not dropping to the 300K or lower level which historically correlates to robust job creation.
Finally, the entire article misses one key point. Unlike other recessions, this one hit consumer home values hard, which means that their biggest savings asset — their house — has much less equity, or in many cases, none at all. That will force Americans to save more of their income as no one expects home values to escalate like they did in the previous decade ever again. Only those who bought before the bubble and didn’t treat their home equity as ATM machines went relatively unscathed. It’s not difficult to figure out that spending will get suppressed as a result.
When we see significant economic growth, though, consumers will spend again — more rationally this time around, but they will spend again. The so-called “rift” doesn’t exist now, because the economy is not significantly improving. I’d call that rational behavior, a clear connection between behavior and reality.










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Yet still not fast enough to reduce unemployment, Idiot. That’s why nobody is impressed, WaPo.
blink on November 11, 2011 at 11:05 AM
But Ed, you’re assuming that Ylan Mui set out to write a news piece.
forest on November 11, 2011 at 11:06 AM
Doesn’t this solve all economic problems. Thanks Obama!
vcferlita on November 11, 2011 at 11:07 AM
AND… she’s just plain lying
golfmann on November 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM
Could it be the ridiculous amount of inflation so that my salary (that should be more than enough) is basically limited to rent and food now?
Neato if the economy might hypothetically reach 2.5% growth but prices are going up up up.
John_Locke on November 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM
A writer for the WaPo is not apt to see or understand the hit that people have had on their wallets. Residents in the DC environs are living large. Meanwhile for the rest of the nation, the cost of living has increased because of high fuel prices for transportation and heating/cooling and higher food prices. Packaging has shrunk, and costs have risen.
onlineanalyst on November 11, 2011 at 11:10 AM
I certainly hope this was on the editorial page, not the business page, where readers generally have math skills higher than a 3rd grader.
Oh, surprise – it was in the business pages.
Vashta.Nerada on November 11, 2011 at 11:10 AM
None of those facts matter. What matters is that people will still vote for Obama. Here is the latest 2012 Obama poster. I could swear he is courting the Occupy crowd.
bloggless on November 11, 2011 at 11:10 AM
I don’t want to introduce an OT so early, Ed, and I did pass along this tip.
The DOJ is requesting that the SC not intervene on the AZ immigration law.
http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9QU83N82%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=945
Holder is lawless.
onlineanalyst on November 11, 2011 at 11:13 AM
When you have Cohen, Robinson and Milbanks as featured columnists, you reinforce bigotry is alive and well at the Post. Saying it is a liberal rag is actually a compliment when compared to what they actually are. They are the core of the cesspool that is Washington D.C.
volsense on November 11, 2011 at 11:13 AM
“Preliminary” being the key word. Wasn’t the Q2 GDP(or was it Q1?) reported initially as being in the 2% range before being downgraded to almost zero? Job creation has remained stagnant for years. We’re getting maybe around 100,000 jobs a month on average which isn’t even enough to keep up with population growth. We’re still stuck at 9% unemployment while the U6 rate remains above 16%. The dollar is weak. Home values are sinking. The foreclosure rate is at an all-time high. 1 in 6 Americans are on food stamps. Health insurance premiums are rising. Gas prices remain well above 3 bucks a gallon. And Europe is on the brink.
So I ask, is this article serious?
Doughboy on November 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM
Yes. but when you go to the grocery store, you are plunking down $150 instead of $70. The government has been lying to us about inflation and manipulating the data. They change the market basket to make things look good for this administration. This is even worse when you note that we have more lower paid re-entry employees and some elderly people ss won’t even cover their food, let alone rent and utilities.
We also need to get all the deadbeats off of SSI and imprison all the ambulance chasers that advertize on TV to get the bums on SSI.
Old Country Boy on November 11, 2011 at 11:16 AM
So that U6 unemployment figure of 16 MILLION + should just suck it up, smile and spend like hell?
Ylan Mui – another intelligent idiot.
GarandFan on November 11, 2011 at 11:17 AM
This is a narrative piece, don’t confuse it with news…
By the third quarter of 2012, the LSM will telling how wonderful things really are…
d1carter on November 11, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Mui overlooked the obvious reason why Americans remain unconvinced the economy is in recovery.
Obama is still president.
fogw on November 11, 2011 at 11:17 AM
I guess it’s a little hard for people to get excited about the economy when, for the past couple of years, we’ve been living with 9% unemployment, 16% underemployment, near-zero growth, European economies toppling like dominoes, and a president and Democratic-led Senate who spend every waking moment trying to make things worse.
But maybe that’s just me.
UltimateBob on November 11, 2011 at 11:17 AM
It gets reported as a decline every single week for months on end, yet the weekly number is still hovering around 400,000. About the same as it was in mid 2010 and mid 2011. But it has “steadily declined’. Amazing how that works when the numbers get quietly revised upward prior to the subsequent weeks big announcement of another “decline”.
This “rift” is really a rejection of the media and fake government numbers. You are reporting on your own irrelevance Ylan Mui.
forest on November 11, 2011 at 11:18 AM
GDP is only growing because it takes into account rising government spending. That’s not REAL economic growth
Sekhmet on November 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM
As long as we include Government spending in the total GDP, and judge growth and welfare with that number, we’ll always be lying to ourselves about our economy. Because the Federal Government can create as much money as it wants, to fund whatever boondoggle comes to mind, what matters is the real growth of the private economy…..and that stinks!
Lew on November 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM
Well, I did purchase the collector’s edition of Skyrim… that’s $160 from my wallet and into the economy. ISNT THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU, WaPo?
Jeddite on November 11, 2011 at 11:21 AM
This continues to demonstrate the insulated media culture overwhelmingly populated by individuals who entered ‘journalism’ as a prime career choice for spreading the gospel of Dem-lefty-statism and damn any actual reporting of reality.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on November 11, 2011 at 11:22 AM
Alternate opening:
A rift has emerged between American journalist’s state of mind and reality.
Youngs98 on November 11, 2011 at 11:22 AM
What a great “poster”. A+++.
Marcus on November 11, 2011 at 11:23 AM
I am excited. Obama may get GDP up to the level it was when he came to town?
seven on November 11, 2011 at 11:24 AM
You guys saying that a single quarter of 2.5% annualized growth isn’t too hot since the 10% annualized growth in federal deficit spending gets counted in? Sounds like one heck of a deal to me! Don’t know why I’m not thrilled like WaPo says I should be.
forest on November 11, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Pooky downloaded it from Steam, so no collector’s edition here (although there is a lot of killing going on). I am finding it a bit odd how much our economy depends on the entertainment industry these days. What would Q4 of every year look like without the Christmas rollout of movies and games? I’m guessing it would be pretty abysmal.
pookysgirl on November 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM
How come no one gets that buying more stuff made in China doesn’t help us over here at all?
Dr. ZhivBlago on November 11, 2011 at 11:28 AM
Obama shill, nothing more
cmsinaz on November 11, 2011 at 11:30 AM
Ylan Mui has her head up her ass.
bloviator on November 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM
Have you seen the store Christmas inventories this year? The stores should be filled to the walls with product to sell… but the aisles are fairly clear.
The store owners don’t anticpate a strong season…
Skywise on November 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM
They haven’t cured the cancer, all they’ve done is increased the morphine drip. It’s kind of a “Fake it ’til you make it” strategy, and there’s no indication at all that we’re about to “make it” any time soon.
You’re staring at the wrong number!
Lew on November 11, 2011 at 11:34 AM
I believe that either Levin or Liddy refers to them as the Washington Compost.
Pretty much hits the nail on the head. Last time I’ve seen this kind of journalism was reading about the stories of the glorious Soviet Utopia when I was in grade school and we were being shown the types of propaganda the Soviets were feeding their people.
AZfederalist on November 11, 2011 at 11:35 AM
Is there anything in that WaPo article about how BAD it will be when the Euro collapses and all of Europe is plunged into a deep recession ? I’m that’ll be GREAT for the US economy.
deadrody on November 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM
This year has been awful. Try comparing it to any year prior tot he recession.
The new people getting laid off is declining, but the number of unemployed is not declining. Until the total number of jobs starts going up, it still is rotten.
jeffn21 on November 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM
Terrific poster. Couldn’t tell if he had bloody knuckles though.
Extrafishy on November 11, 2011 at 11:42 AM
The GDP number is fake, the unemployment numbers are FAKE and this idiot writes propaganda.
People outside the “occupy” groups know we are in trouble. The real evidence is everywhere.
dogsoldier on November 11, 2011 at 11:45 AM
I got a 2% raise this year, Woopeee!
and then my property tax went up, my water rates went up, my electricity rates went up, my garbage collection went up, my costs for food went up…….
maybe I could get a job at the Washington Post?
They don’t have any journalists, so maybe they have openings?
gordo on November 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM
The misunderstanding here may simply be that consumers, who have been holding back, are now spending because they can’t wait any longer on some additional spending, but, meanwhile, the employment picture is still getting worse.
J_Crater on November 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM
I’ll be into it, when I FREAKIN’ SEE IT!
listens2glenn on November 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM
Ok, ok . . . how about this headline:
Why is the awesome economic growth so invisible?
Is that what BHO meant by ‘transparency’?
listens2glenn on November 11, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Apparently the view from the mountain top isn’t quite the same as the view down in the weeds on the ground. Especially when you’re looking through rose colored glasses!
Lew on November 11, 2011 at 12:09 PM
Who is it that figures this unemployment number up is from la la land? When you run out of unemployment insurance you come off the unemployed list and the math changes to less unemployed. What is so difficult understanding this? The city, townships, counties and states are all broke yet we have politicians via the media telling us things are getting better and hold on because the future is getting brighter. Sure sounds like an election year coming up with the same old songs and promises. There are so many lies coming at us I’m at the point of not believing a thing I hear, read or see.
mixplix on November 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM
Consumers are spending more because the holidays are coming up and it’s going into the winter season and we have the dreamers of this nightmare telling us more feel good stories.
mixplix on November 11, 2011 at 12:16 PM
I with
on this..
I’m skeptical of GDP growth of ~2.5% when there isn’t any discussion of ‘nominal’ vs ‘real’ GDP growth; i.e. no discussion of inflation when food prices just keep going up. That shopping cart of groceries at Walmart that cost ~$270 ten years ago now is nearly $400.
Fed chairman Bernake keeps saying there isn’t any evidence of inflation if you ignore food and energy. It’s like saying there isn’t any evidence of inflation if you ignore the evidence of inflation in food and energy.
Are auto prices getting any cheaper? Ya, I know, you get a killer stereo system with a USB interface for your iPad, and you get high tech that wasn’t available ten years ago, but the prices just keep going up. HD TVs are cheaper, how often do you buy one?
Skandia Recluse on November 11, 2011 at 12:24 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The International Monetary Fund on Friday warned that advanced economies could fall back into recession unless policy-makers move with greater urgency to agree on policies to boost growth.
In a note prepared for the G20 summit in Cannes, France, last week but only published on Friday, the IMF said the economic recovery in advanced economies “remains in low gear.”
“Policy paralysis and incoherence have contributed to exacerbating uncertainty, a loss of confidence, and heightened financial market stress,” the IMF said.
The fund said advanced economies urgently need to spell out credible medium-term fiscal plans and outline further financial sector reforms. In key emerging economies, governments should allow for faster exchange-rate appreciation, it added.
In particular, the IMF said there was “considerable uncertainty” about how fiscal sustainability will be achieved in the United States, Japan, and some euro area economies.
J_Crater on November 11, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Where i work we hired a few NEW VPs…
And laid off about 20 engineers.
So if you are a crony, ceo/vp type with the IQ of a old smelly sneaker, theres plenty of jobs for you.
orbitalair on November 11, 2011 at 12:38 PM
The workforce is growing by 2% rate. The economy is not. We have a decrease in per capita GDP.
seven on November 11, 2011 at 12:43 PM
The biggest demographic group – 50-something Baby Boomers – was hit hard by the financial crisis and the recession. Many of us are still without jobs, those of us who have found new ones are still digging out of deep holes of debt and can’t spend anything, can’t sell our houses, have to put kids through college and take care of aging parents. We have ZERO money for discretionary spending, even though we are in our peak earning years. I honestly don’t know anyone my age who feels good about the economy or their own financial situation right now. The malls and shopping centers where I live are ghost towns.
This is going to be a long slog to a real recovery and we may never see the rates of consumer spending we have in the past. Housing and related industries were once well over 10% of America’s GDP, they are now down to less than 5%. With the enormous inventory of homes still on the market, this isn’t getting fixed soon either.
rockmom on November 11, 2011 at 12:52 PM
Gee, in 2004, when unemployment was half what it is now, the deficit a quarter of the size, and GDP growth significantly higher, the WaPo and its owners in the Obama Party were pissing themselves and screaming that Bush had put us into a depression.
Now? Stupid peasants don’t realize how much more awesome things are under Teh Won.
It is to laugh. Indeed, I would suggest to all readers that you go looking through articles and Obama Party statements from 2004, combine them with the GDP, unemployment, and budget deficit figures for those dates, and shove them in the face of every single liberal you see.
northdallasthirty on November 11, 2011 at 12:58 PM
Speaking of biased reporting, look at the first paparagraph of this Reuters story which claims that Obama pressured the Italian government into adopting austerity measures:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/italy-vote-cuts-u-applies-124824165.html
eyedoc on November 11, 2011 at 1:41 PM
Not many of the WaPo commenters are buying this piece of Propaganda. It’s highly entertaining to compare the average IQ of the WaPo comments for a Business Section story like this to the thousands of idiotic comments on stories from their National section.
Del Dolemonte on November 11, 2011 at 2:45 PM
We’ve fudged the unemployment numbers so they don’t look as bad.
We’re running faked GDP growth numbers that we revise back down later to avoid people seeing the slower growth we’re really having.
We’ve even adjusted inflation numbers so the largest inflationary costs aren’t reported so we can claim lower numbers there.
But the people suffering with unemployment, slow growth, and higher inflation than growth still don’t believe our lies…
What is wrong with them? Why won’t they believe us when we lie to them?
gekkobear on November 11, 2011 at 3:20 PM
Why aren’t people impressed, because after 8 years of telling us 4.5% growth was a recession we are not going to be jumping on the 3.8% bandwagon anytime soon.
Gwillie on November 11, 2011 at 5:15 PM
With a clear view into an industry which is a very effective window into both the macro-economic condition and global consumer confidence, the current status is utterly stagnant. Any growth represents only population capture and the continuing emergence of pseudo-capitalism in mainland China, though the latter at a much more anemic pace than in any “growth” quarter of the last four years.
Publically traded companies in this industry report the most confident possible projections each quarter to keep their investors in place, and this quarter most reported to the Street expectations of just barely above the zero line. The only suppliers who are expanding, are simply picking up demand from those who have already failed.
In the meantime, oil prices remain artificially high, food prices are rising weekly, and there isn’t a single action being taken anywhere in the free world which can honestly propel a rebound.
So of course, the Washington Compost can’t figure out why nobody is dancing in the streets over Teh Won’s economic genius.
They should write a story referring to it is a “vibrant brand of non-recovery“.
Freelancer on November 11, 2011 at 5:47 PM