Cain campaign: We’re sticking with Mark Block

posted at 10:25 am on November 10, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Washington Times reporter Kerry Picket reached out to the Herman Cain campaign after an avalanche of criticism over the handling of the response to sexual harassment claims over the last two weeks, which increased markedly after campaign manager Mark Block falsely asserted that he had “confirmed” that one of the accusers was related to a Politico reporter.  The reporter had left Politico more than a year earlier, and turned out to be no relation to the accuser.  Despite calls for Block to leave the campaign from Tom Tancredo, a former Cain staffer, and conservative pundits (The Hill’s story also quotes me), Cain’s team says they will stick with Block:

A highly placed Cain source sent the Water Cooler an e-mail: “This is a hysterically funny rumor. The Inside the Beltway crowd is in the midst of a nervous breakdown regarding the success the Cain campaign is having with the American people. Mr. Cain believes in the old adage, ‘You continue to dance with the one that brung ya’ to the dance.’”

Loyalty is an admirable quality, but flat-out incompetence and the failure to correct it is not, especially in an executive.  Herman Cain may very well be innocent of these accusations, but Mark Block offered two unsubstantiated accusations in less than a week, both of which the campaign had to retract, in response to the allegations.  If Block went off the reservation to do that, the proper remedy for an executive would be to replace him immediately, especially after Block’s pompous declaration that he had “confirmed” that Josh Kraushaar worked for Politico and that he was Karen Kraushaar’s son.  Not only were neither true, a simple Google search would have shown that Josh Kraushaar works for National Journal, a competing publication, and has since 2010.

This is misguided loyalty, anyway.  Mark Block may have helped Herman Cain campaign, but Block didn’t “bring” Cain to the top of the polling.  Cain did that himself by convincing Republican voters that his executive skills are so excellent and his track record of rescue operations in the private sector so compelling that it validates a nomination for someone who has never won an election before now.  Cain’s refusal to deal with Block’s embarrassing performance undermines both of those arguments; if he can’t recognize when an adviser has become a detriment to his campaign’s credibility and recognize the crisis in front of him, what confidence will voters have in his ability to handle those tasks as President?  That is a valid concern for any primary candidate, but Cain’s unique pitch and resumé makes it a central issue for his candidacy.

Erick Erickson writes today that Cain needs to fire Block immediately, and to keep going until he’s cleaned house entirely:

It is abundantly obvious to a lot of us Herman that you are not living up to your own words. You said you would surround yourself with the best people — the competent people to help you.

Last week, J.D. Gordon had a disastrous performance on a Blackberry on Geraldo’s show. His performance set the tone for the Monday news shows, all of which pointed out that your own communications vice president would not deny the story.

Then Mark Block went on TV to blame Curt Anderson only to walk it back the next day.

This week, Mark Block again went on TV, said he had verified the identify of a reporter as the son of your accuser, and got it totally wrong. But he said it was verified. It was a lie.

Herman, you said you’d surround yourself with the best people and you’ve surrounded yourself with Class A failures. The problems you are facing are problems of campaign staffing. You’ve failed to live up to your own standard of hiring the best people.

I still believe you can win. But to do so, you must fire your staff and start over.

That should have already happened by now.  It should have happened with Block as soon as his “confirmed” assertion about Josh Kraushaar was proven utterly false.  The fact that Cain isn’t dealing with the problem is Cain’s biggest problem now.

Update: Cain’s defenders in the comments section are mainly saying that Cain doesn’t answer to media types like … Erick and me.  Well, of course not in the literal sense — we aren’t running his campaign.  But he’s running for President, which would make him accountable to everyone.  Furthermore, he wants to get our votes, and has to make the case that he’s competent enough to convince us.  I’m not dictating to Cain what he must do; I’m telling him what I think he should do if he wants to convince me that he’s serious and competent.

If the defense of Cain is that we’re being big meanies for pointing out his campaign failings, then I think we’re missing the point of having a primary process.  It’s not to glorify all candidates, or any of them.  It’s to pick the person with the best policies who has the best chance of beating Barack Obama in November 2012.  If this campaign keeps Mark Block on board after his misrepresentations, it’s not serious enough to warrant support.  In other words, to quote The Godfather, “It’s not personal, Sonny.  It’s business.”

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What are you, some fan of reality?

platypus on November 10, 2011 at 11:08 AM

I’m a fan of reality. And yes Block is an idiot and if Cain decides he stays, at least get him away from the boob tube.

But I also know the reality of who owns HA and that Erick Erickson is a Perry parrot who’s railing to see Herman Cain fail in hopes that those supporters will rally around their preferred candidate.

Knucklehead on November 10, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Yes, firing Block would be a good managerial decision by Cain. But within the world of politics, it looks like a campaign in confusion and disarray.

Doughboy on November 10, 2011 at 11:19 AM

It already looks like a capaign in confusion and disarray.

There are two possibilities at this point. Either Cain sexually harrassed women, or he didn’t. If he did, the matter should have been dealt with months ago, when nobody would have paid that much attention, not sixty days from the Iowa caucuses. If he didn’t, then this campaign has let the candidate’s and campaign manager’s actions turn a nothing story into what is quickly becoming a multi-week miniseries, with an option for an entire season, depending on the ratings.

Either way, it is political and managerial malpractice. And for a candidate who really doesn’t have much in the way of big ideas, doesn’t have much in the way of a traditional ground game, doesn’t have legislative experience, management is pretty much all he brings to the table.

Tell me, would you, as a stockholder, accept a CEO who kept incompetent managers around for the sake of appearances, acceptable?

JohnGalt23 on November 10, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Dammit, that was good…

AND ND–CUT OUT THE RACIST CRAP! I’m a Caniac–and I’m getting tired of your crap…

lovingmyUSA on November 10, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Thanks. I think everything is just getting too far out of control.

I think healthy debate is wonderful, heck snarkiness is great but calling people bigots, racist, etc is just too much.

We are all on the same side after all.

gophergirl on November 10, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Tell me, would you, as a stockholder, accept a CEO who kept incompetent managers around for the sake of appearances, acceptable?

JohnGalt23 on November 10, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Except that this isn’t a stockholder’s meeting. It’s a national election. You can generally count on rational (if not always correct) behavior from stockholders who vote in their own best interest. You can’t always count on rational behavior from voters writ-large. In fact, you can probably count on irrational behavior.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 11:33 AM

But I’m also not real impressed by the finger-wagging tone taken here. Ed, and Erick Erickson, how does this grab you: Cain is his own man and can do whatever he wants. He doesn’t answer to pundits.

Missy on November 10, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Cain’s his “own man”?

Who said he wasn’t? He can be his “own man” … he can allow Mark Block to smear people with false allegations to his heart’s content. He can refuse to apologize for those smears.

And … he’s his “own man” for doing so.

THAT however, is not going to be very attractive to voters. We already see Cain’s support topping out as the voters come to realize how unethical the Cain campaign is.

So yeah – he can right own being his “own man” – and I hope he does. That road ends with him going back to his motivational speaking company in Florida.

It’s not a road that leads to the White House certainly.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2011 at 11:34 AM

So yeah – he can right own being his “own man” – and I hope he does. That road ends with him going back to his motivational speaking company in Florida.

It’s not a road that leads to the White House certainly.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Your argument-by-assertion is rather unbecoming. And the more you engage in it, the more Cain’s supporters will push back.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Except that this isn’t a stockholder’s meeting. It’s a national election. You can generally count on rational (if not always correct) behavior from stockholders who vote in their own best interest. You can’t always count on rational behavior from voters writ-large. In fact, you can probably count on irrational behavior.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Well – it certainly give you a glimpse of how Cain would pick people for his administration.

Mark Block? Chief of Staff?

Hmmmm … nope – that’s not for me!

And besides – I thought the Cainlusional response to Cain’s weaknesses on foreign policy was that Cain would hire SMART PEOPLE to advise him on those issues.

Smart people like Mark Block?

There’s a helluva logical connection between Cain’s choice of campaign leaders and his choice of White House staff.

And keeping Mark Block isn’t making that look like an attractive picture.

Mark Block will be the White House Chief of Staff. Sorry, but America isn’t ready for that circus.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2011 at 11:38 AM

If Cain won’t fire him now, then at least at some point this needs to happen.

Let’s ask ourselves this: What would look worse, firing Block now amidst the Bimbomegedon, or firing him (allowing him resign do to “family matters” lol) later once the fallout has faded a little bit?

Both look terrible. The latter one seems the teensiest bit better than the former.

There’s no way for Cain to look good on this one. Unfortunately.

Demosthenes on November 10, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Yeah, this isn’t cool…competitive passion in supporting one’s candidate shouldn’t go to this level because Herman Cain happens to be black.

RepubChica on November 10, 2011 at 11:22 AM

It doesn’t. I’ve actually gone after Cain for playing the race card around the whole Perry rock incident.

But as we see from HondaV65 inadvertent admittance above, Perry and his supporters are doing their damndest to take out Cain using whatever methods necessary, including calling him a sexual harasser and a rapist.

Nuking them with the race card is the only way these children and their Perry will learn. If they’re going to backstab Herman Cain and call him a rapist, then I have no trouble with calling them racists.

northdallasthirty on November 10, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Your argument-by-assertion is rather unbecoming. And the more you engage in it, the more Cain’s supporters will push back.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Push back all you want. You guys are a MINORITY. Cain is tied nationally with Romney dude. Romney’s at 25%.

It’s time you Cainlusionals were told something I know you don’t want to hear … you’re not the majority and Cain isn’t going to be the nominee.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM

If I smoked, I’d blow a puff in the general direction of bloggers, pundits and fellow posters. I think I am finally getting tired of politics.

Fallon on November 10, 2011 at 11:22 AM

That’s about where I’m at, too. And I do smoke occasionally. :)

Missy on November 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM

I’m really disappointed by this. They have a perfect opportunity to have Block step aside and save face right now. Just say “ok, we reached our money bomb goal and now Mark is going to be focusing on X and we’re bringing in Y to be the main campaign manager” or something.

Everyone will know why Block is going, but they get to make it look like it was planned all along and get the necessary management swap.

CrankyTRex on November 10, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Nuking them with the race card is the only way these children and their Perry will learn. If they’re going to backstab Herman Cain and call him a rapist, then I have no trouble with calling them racists.

northdallasthirty on November 10, 2011 at 11:39 AM

I am a Perry supporter and I have done nothing of the kind. That makes you dishonest for making a blanket charge against all Perry supporters.

Dr Evil on November 10, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Except that this isn’t a stockholder’s meeting. It’s a national election. You can generally count on rational (if not always correct) behavior from stockholders who vote in their own best interest. You can’t always count on rational behavior from voters writ-large. In fact, you can probably count on irrational behavior.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Rational or not, voters’ behavior and reactions tend to be pretty predictable. Lots of people shake up their staff, and get the nomination. McCain did. Clinton did. Bush I did. And the voters got over it.

Likewise, when they see a campaign floundering, and willing to accept the floundering, they tend to punish them, because it reflects at its heart, an inability to function as an executive. Howard Dean, Exhibit A.

Once again, the longer Herman sticks with this guy, the worse it is going to be when the moment comes for him to go. If you think that moment won’t come… by all means. Loyalty is the coin of the realm.

But when the water is around your neck, those coins start to feel mighty heavy…

JohnGalt23 on November 10, 2011 at 11:42 AM

But as we see from HondaV65 inadvertent admittance above, Perry and his supporters are doing their damndest to take out Cain using whatever methods necessary, including calling him a sexual harasser and a rapist.

northdallasthirty on November 10, 2011 at 11:39 AM


Sadly this is the case.

But there’s been some posters, from other camps, whom have been fair.

Demosthenes on November 10, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Nuking them with the race card is the only way these children and their Perry will learn. If they’re going to backstab Herman Cain and call him a rapist, then I have no trouble with calling them racists.

northdallasthirty on November 10, 2011 at 11:39 AM

That sounds really good. Using debate and dialogue to convince someone your position is the correct one. I understand now.

a capella on November 10, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Sadly this is the case.

But there’s been some posters, from other camps, whom have been fair.

Demosthenes on November 10, 2011 at 11:43 AM

I am Perry supporter, show me where I have commented as you have stated.

Dr Evil on November 10, 2011 at 11:44 AM

At the very least Cain has made some (unwanted) passes on a bunch of women. He has also been married for 43 years and claims to a Baptist preacher. Any concerns from the Caniacs on that? Or should we just go with 9-9-9?

echosyst on November 10, 2011 at 11:44 AM

But as we see from HondaV65 inadvertent admittance above, Perry and his supporters are doing their damndest to take out Cain using whatever methods necessary, including calling him a sexual harasser and a rapist.

Nuking them with the race card is the only way these children and their Perry will learn. If they’re going to backstab Herman Cain and call him a rapist, then I have no trouble with calling them racists.

northdallasthirty on November 10, 2011 at 11:39 AM

First of all – your arguments are much more convincing if they’re factual. I never called Cain a sexually harasser or a rapist – nor do I believe he is one.

What I believe about Cain – is he’s unethical – and a pretty dumb moron. Sorry you don’t see this. This latest decision to keep Mark Block is yet another testiment to his doofish cluelessness.

Now – having said that – Cain and Mark Block made baseless accusations against Perry and Curt Anderson last week. Accusations that were false. Yet – they refuse to apologize for those allegations.

So please, spare us this “Perry supporters are trying to destroy Cain” … I have a crying towel for you – it’s Cain that’s been out to destroy Perry. And once Perry is destroyed – guess what? We Perry supporters don’t just “go away” – we support someone else – maybe like Mitt Romney. hehe.

Cain is destroying himself though – he hardly needs our help in that process.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2011 at 11:45 AM

But when the water is around your neck, those coins start to feel mighty heavy…

JohnGalt23 on November 10, 2011 at 11:42 AM

I’d like to see Herman Cain get rid of Mark Block, John. Thing is, I’m not sure if failure to do so will hurt his campaign. It could, but it’s too early to tell. Don’t expect Cain to do anything simply because you think he should, but don’t think his supporters will, either.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Cain is destroying himself though – he hardly needs our help in that process.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2011 at 11:45 AM

I fear you may be right. I hope you are wrong.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 11:47 AM

At the very least Cain has made some (unwanted) passes on a bunch of women. He has also been married for 43 years and claims to a Baptist preacher. Any concerns from the Caniacs on that? Or should we just go with 9-9-9?

echosyst on November 10, 2011 at 11:44 AM

We don’t KNOW that he’s guilty of that stuff at all. This hasn’t finished playing out – and I think in a week we’ll know a lot more on this.

However – Cain has certainly behaved in a non-Presidential way in responding to these attacks. He’s had to change his story several times … he’s fought “baseless allegations” by hurling “baseless allegations” at others … like Rick Perry and the Democrats – who have NOTHING to do with this. Not to mention all the “If you oppose Cain you’re guilty of a high tech lynching”. Race Card – not attractive from a guy who calls himself “conservative”.

So that is what Cain IS GUILTY of – of being a serial moron who can’t calmly and rationally adress an issue when things get hot in his campaign.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2011 at 11:49 AM

It’s time you Cainlusionals were told something I know you don’t want to hear … you’re not the majority and Cain isn’t going to be the nominee.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM

The two aren’t mutually exclusive, Honda. Cain doesn’t need a majority in the primaries. He just needs a plurality in enough individual states to get a plurality of convention delegates. If that bothers you enough to stay home in the general election should Cain be the nominee, you deserve another four years of the Obama political cesspool.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Cain is finished anyway. Sooner or later, many of his supporters will realize that 999 is not a strategy for winning the white House.

huckleberryfriend on November 10, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Nuking them with the race card is the only way these children and their Perry will learn. If they’re going to backstab Herman Cain and call him a rapist, then I have no trouble with calling them racists.

northdallasthirty on November 10, 2011 at 11:39 AM

I’m Cain supporter and have been before he got into the race. That being said………

Knock it off with calling people racists and bigots and all the rest of crap you’ve been spewing this week. It does nothing for your argument and Herman Cain would does not approve of your methods.

Knucklehead on November 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM

I am Perry supporter, show me where I have commented as you have stated.

Dr Evil on November 10, 2011 at 11:44 AM


Not you, Dr Evil. I was giving credit to all those, from other camps (Perry, Romney, Paul etc etc.) who’ve been fair and continue to be fair and reasonable. You and they haven’t piled on.

Demosthenes on November 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM

So that is what Cain IS GUILTY of – of being a serial moron who can’t calmly and rationally adress an issue when things get hot in his campaign.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Stick to using ad hominems on your fellow commenters here, Honda. It makes it difficult for us to see you as a “serious human being” when you start flinging them at media caricatures.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Cain is finished anyway. Sooner or later, many of his supporters will realize that 999 is not a strategy for winning the white House.

huckleberryfriend on November 10, 2011 at 11:49 AM

As a Cain supporter, I can tell you it was never supposed to be. It is a policy proposal, and one that his supporters have accepted (if not totally embraced).

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Knock it off with calling people racists and bigots and all the rest of crap you’ve been spewing this week. It does nothing for your argument and Herman Cain would does not approve of your methods.

Knucklehead on November 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM


Yes, northdallasthirty, the bigot and racist stuff isn’t helping, and it diminishes your argument.

Demosthenes on November 10, 2011 at 11:52 AM

At the very least Cain has made some (unwanted) passes on a bunch of women. He has also been married for 43 years and claims to a Baptist preacher. Any concerns from the Caniacs on that? Or should we just go with 9-9-9?

echosyst

How about proving he made the pass or does that matter to another rabid Cain hater?

Honda, Cain is stupid? I’m betting he’s much smarter than you.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 11:53 AM

For those nitwits harping on 9-9-9:

Give it up. It didn’t reduce his poll numbers the first time. That’s why they had to move to false sex scandals.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 11:58 AM

I love how certain people are still procaliming him guilty despite the lack of credibility the two accusers have.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Kinda hard not to notice that the posters here who hate Cain are the ones giving him their heartfelt, loving advice. I’m sure they are giving their chosen candidate advise that has put them so far ahead of Cain.

dragondrop on November 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Cain and Perry need to figure out how to exit this race while salvaging as much of their former reputations as possible.

karlant on November 10, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Knock it off with calling people racists and bigots and all the rest of crap you’ve been spewing this week. It does nothing for your argument and Herman Cain would does not approve of your methods.

Knucklehead on November 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Are you sure?

Herb has said that bigotry and racism play a part in the attacks against him.

I think Herb condones this frame of thinking.

portlandon on November 10, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Kinda hard not to notice that the posters here who hate Cain are the ones giving him their heartfelt, loving advice. I’m sure they are giving their chosen candidate advise that has put them so far ahead of Cain.

dragondrop on November 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Gee. Who does that remind you of?

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:04 PM

brilliant, now that his campaign is officially in shambles he should gracefully look for a way out. the sooner, the better before they tabloidize whatever’s left of the GOP primaries.

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Cain and Perry need to figure out how to exit this race while salvaging as much of their former reputations as possible.

karlant

I think they should stay

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Herb has said that bigotry and racism play a part in the attacks against him.

I think Herb condones this frame of thinking.

portlandon on November 10, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Who was the last white man accused of sexual harassment? And by whom?

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Are you sure?

Herb has said that bigotry and racism play a part in the attacks against him.

I think Herb condones this frame of thinking.

portlandon

Liberal racism has nothing to do with it? What color is the sky in your world? Still shaking your pom-pom for Newt I see.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Kinda hard not to notice that the posters here who hate Cain are the ones giving him their heartfelt, loving advice. I’m sure they are giving their chosen candidate advise that has put them so far ahead of Cain.

dragondrop on November 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Okay then.

Keep Mark Block on board, Herm. I’m sure he will do very well handling your media, financial and political affairs, just like he has done up until this point. Good call, boss.

/doesthatreallymakeyoufeelanybetter

JohnGalt23 on November 10, 2011 at 12:07 PM

brilliant, now that his campaign is officially in shambles he should gracefully look for a way out. the sooner, the better before they tabloidize whatever’s left of the GOP primaries.

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Cause if he drops out now, the LSM will be so totally incapable of tabloidizing or lying about anyone else./

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Stupid is as stupid does. Cain is clueless, and he shows it more and more every day.

C’mon Cain, let’s see you release those confidentiality agreements those accusers signed. Fact is, I don’t believe an unintelligible word out of your mouth, so give us the proof. Your word is not cutting it…

stacman on November 10, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Sunk by a block. I hope we don’t see that headline.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Liberal racism has nothing to do with it? What color is the sky in your world? Still shaking your pom-pom for Newt I see.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Really??? Are you seriously asking us to accept that the media, liberal and otherwise, would be treating this any differently than if these accusations were lodged against Newt Gingrich?

History suggests otherwise…

JohnGalt23 on November 10, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Stupid is as stupid does. Cain is I am clueless, and he shows I show it more and more every day.

stacman on November 10, 2011 at 12:09 PM

FIFY

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:11 PM

For a guy who claims to be a good manager Cain sure looks like a sucky one. If he keeps Block that just confirms to everyone what a joke this campaign is. But hey all he needs to do is shout 999 and the Cainiacs will drool at his feet so there is that…..

tpw on November 10, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Herb has said that bigotry and racism play a part in the attacks against him.

I think Herb condones this frame of thinking.

portlandon on November 10, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Who was the last white man accused of sexual harassment? And by whom?

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Am I wrong?

Did Herman Cain attribute his Race as a reason for the attacks on him???

True or False

portlandon on November 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Really??? Are you seriously asking us to accept that the media, liberal and otherwise, would be treating this any differently than if these accusations were lodged against Newt Gingrich?

History suggests otherwise…

JohnGalt23 on November 10, 2011 at 12:11 PM

I’ll ask again and even clarify the question: When was the last sexual harassment charge tried in the media against a white man?

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Are you sure?

Herb has said that bigotry and racism play a part in the attacks against him.

I think Herb condones this frame of thinking.

portlandon

Liberal racism has nothing to do with it? What color is the sky in your world? Still shaking your pom-pom for Newt I see.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Am I wrong?

Did Herman Cain attribute his Race as a reason for the attacks on him???

True or False

portlandon on November 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Cause if he drops out now, the LSM will be so totally incapable of tabloidizing or lying about anyone else./

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:08 PM

at least you don’t offer them one (scandal that is) on a silver plate…let them work/’dig’ harder than that…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Am I wrong?

Did Herman Cain attribute his Race as a reason for the attacks on him???

True or False

portlandon on November 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM

I didn’t deny it, but I’m asking you, do you think Herman Cain was wrong in doing so? And if so, why?

How many white men have had sexual harassment charges levelled against them and subsequently been put on trial in the court of public opinion, Port? Cause I can name at least two black men that have: Clarence Thomas and Herman Cain. If you choose to believe that has nothing to do with their race, then it must be one helluva coincidence.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM

I agree, Ed.

Assuming Cain wins the Republican nomination, as long as Block is running the campaign, his candidate will have no chance of defeating Barack Obama next November.

He will be outgunned and out-maneuvered at every turn by the White Democratic Media and the Obama campaign machine.

It is time to fish or cut bait for Herman Cain with his campaign manager.

If it is “fish,” I see his “unconventional campaign” withering away rapidly.

If it is “cut bait,” he has a chance to win the nomination and defeat Barack Obama.

Bumbling along at the current pace is a disaster for Cain and Block.

Block should offer to resign, Cain should regrettably accept his resignation, and get on with the business of kicking the Democrat’s donkey and the Republican establishment.

Stepan on November 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM

at least you don’t offer them one (scandal that is) on a silver plate…let them work/’dig’ harder than that…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:13 PM

One scandal? You mean the one that has practically been proven false even though Herman Cain shouldn’t have to prove a negative in the first place?! Okay…

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM

If it is “cut bait,” he has a chance to win the nomination and defeat Barack Obama.
Stepan on November 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM

in what parallel universe…other than the world in your head…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:16 PM

When was the last sexual harassment charge tried in the media against a white man?

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Bill O’Reilly?

And Bill-oh and FNC wielded the PR stilletto far more adroitly than Herman Cain has. Maybe some of the bright young lads at their PR firm can help ol’ Herm.

If they can get Mark Block out of their way first, of course.

JohnGalt23 on November 10, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Did Herman Cain attribute his Race as a reason for the attacks on him???

True or False

portlandon on November 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Yes, he did. Do you think it’s untrue? Do you really think that none of the animosity, particularly from the left, has anything to do with the fact that the first black president, a Democrat, is a horrific failure…and that a black conservative, highly popular with the Tea Party they condemn as racists, is doing so well?

MadisonConservative on November 10, 2011 at 12:17 PM

If Herman is not going to fire him, it must mean that Mark was repeating his bosses words. Either way Herman your book tour is over.

meci on November 10, 2011 at 12:17 PM

The pundits are always right in their own eyes. They say Herman is not qualified, Block is not qualified, 9-9-9 is not qualified, and therefore Herman must quit before he wins it. Hmmm.

Same question remains unanswered: What will we do if Herman will not surrender?

That will ruin Rove’s plans. It will also ruin the Democrat Plantation’s hold on black votes.

Herman is a difficult boy.

jimw on November 10, 2011 at 12:17 PM

“Am I wrong?

Did Herman Cain attribute his Race as a reason for the attacks on him???

True or False

portlandon on November 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM”‘

He is right, they are attacking him this way because of his race! This is the way they attack black conservatives. Then again Mark Block is still an idiot, he should take a background role never to appear on television again. Those saying he is playing the race card are morons. I say those who printed the non story played it first!

Africanus on November 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

How many white men have had sexual harassment charges levelled against them and subsequently been put on trial in the court of public opinion, Port?
gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM

are you kidding me???…John Edwards, hello…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Are you sure?

Herb has said that bigotry and racism play a part in the attacks against him.

I think Herb condones this frame of thinking.

portlandon

Are the attacks like David “The Wizard” Gregory, crazy Harry Belafonte and Jeanne Garofalo racist and all the rest of libtards who’ve launched their tirades against Herman Cain racist? I believe they

I’m merely asking another person here to knock off calling other posters racists and bigots.

That is all.

Knucklehead on November 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

So that is what Cain IS GUILTY of – of being a serial moron who can’t calmly and rationally adress an issue when things get hot in his campaign.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Ah yes, it is the way of the internet. Someone can sit anonymously in front of a PC and call someone else a moron. Someone who has served his country, literaly, as a rocket scientist. Someone who earned a Masters in Computer Science from a respected University…in 1971. Someone who worked their way up in corporate America and who turned around the fortunes of at least 2 foundering companies, providing thousands of jobs. Someone who has the courage of his convictions strong enough to swim against the current of what is expected from him politically.

It’s fine to disagree with Cain’s policies, or to question his readiness for high office. But to those who also have denigrate the man, you should not be welcome in polite company, and you really, really should not be taken seriously. That goes for everyone who refers to him as Herb or Herm too.

TedInATL on November 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

So please, spare us this “Perry supporters are trying to destroy Cain” … I have a crying towel for you – it’s Cain that’s been out to destroy Perry. And once Perry is destroyed – guess what? We Perry supporters don’t just “go away” – we support someone else – maybe like Mitt Romney. hehe.

Cain is destroying himself though – he hardly needs our help in that process.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Aren’t you the one who said that Perry would work behind the scenes (after he drops out of course) to destroy Cain??? If he would do it then, he will do it now…Does Perry have a past history of destroying opponents??

Cain called out Perry (with some sketchy evidence), Perry called out Romney. Where was Perry’s evidence that it was Romney???.. At least Cain had: the reputations of Perry Camp workers to destroy opponents, There was the Green Room post about the Perry plan to destroy Cain, the Tweet from the AZ Perry Camp a few days before the story broke. Anderson (the Cain said/Anderson said) and the Witness Wilson (who saw Cain so blatently SH someone that it would devastate his campaign, but can’t really talk about it)…

kringeesmom on November 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Bill O’Reilly?

And Bill-oh and FNC wielded the PR stilletto far more adroitly than Herman Cain has. Maybe some of the bright young lads at their PR firm can help ol’ Herm.

If they can get Mark Block out of their way first, of course.

JohnGalt23 on November 10, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Well we can quibble about just how adamantly the mainstream media “tried” Bill O’Reilly. I don’t think it was anywhere near on the order of what Cain is going through. But I gave you two names of black men. Can you provide me with another white guy?

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Really??? Are you seriously asking us to accept that the media, liberal and otherwise, would be treating this any differently than if these accusations were lodged against Newt Gingrich?

History suggests otherwise…

JohnGalt23

Really? You think liberal racism has nothing to do with it? I noticed you are also a Newt-bot. Big surprise you are such an anti-Cain troll.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

I didn’t deny it, but I’m asking you, do you think Herman Cain was wrong in doing so? And if so, why?

How many white men have had sexual harassment charges levelled against them and subsequently been put on trial in the court of public opinion, Port? Cause I can name at least two black men that have: Clarence Thomas and Herman Cain. If you choose to believe that has nothing to do with their race, then it must be one helluva coincidence.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Bill O’Reilly was accused of Sexual Harassment and settled.

The Navy TailHook convention Sexual Harassment Scandal.

Bill Clinton/Paula Jones Scandal.

portlandon on November 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM

as in ‘sexual scandal’…not harassment…then Clinton…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM

are you kidding me???…John Edwards, hello…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

That wasn’t tried in the media, idiot. The media actively tried to cover it up until they no longer could thanks to the stellar reporting of the National Enquirer. Try again.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Bill O’Reilly was accused of Sexual Harassment and settled.

The Navy TailHook convention Sexual Harassment Scandal.

Bill Clinton/Paula Jones Scandal.

portlandon on November 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM

also Mark Folley…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:20 PM

That wasn’t tried in the media, idiot. The media actively tried to cover it up until they no longer could thanks to the stellar reporting of the National Enquirer. Try again.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM

your hysterical fits on this forum only shows how intellectually challenged you are. National Enquirer is not ‘media’??? how intellectually challenged are you exactly on a scale form 1 to 10?…nevermind, it’s a rhetorical question…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Yes, he did. Do you think it’s untrue? Do you really think that none of the animosity, particularly from the left, has anything to do with the fact that the first black president, a Democrat, is a horrific failure…and that a black conservative, highly popular with the Tea Party they condemn as racists, is doing so well?

MadisonConservative on November 10, 2011 at 12:17 PM

I don’t think Race plays into this. And I say that as a person of color. I am not white, and do not feel that the attacks on Herman are racist.

I do however think that being Republican is enough to cause this kind of visceral hatred. Anyone, ANYONE who is seen as a real threat against Obama is going to be eviscerated by the Left/Media.

portlandon on November 10, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Really? You think liberal racism has nothing to do with it? I noticed you are also a Newt-bot. Big surprise you are such an anti-Cain troll.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

First of all, look at the handle, and try thinking it through… Newt-bot? Hardly.

Secondly, do you remember the Autumn of ’98? I sure as hell do. When Larry Flynt is publicly offering $1 million for Herman Cain accusers, then his situation vs. the liberal press might come close what Gingrich went through.

And the last time I checked, Newt Gingrich is White on steroids.

JohnGalt23 on November 10, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Did Herman Cain attribute his Race as a reason for the attacks on him???

True or False

portlandon on November 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM


The bigotry on the left, not on HotHair — not on the conservative side. I’ve seen no one on the right make bigoted comments against Cain.

No one here is calling for the “grand wizard” to smite Herman Cain, or concerned with his “crap pipe” habit.

We are no the bigots.

Irrational hatred does not equal racist or bigot.

Demosthenes on November 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Not the bigots*

Demosthenes on November 10, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Racism from the left most certainly palys into this. They ahve gone after him harder than any other candidate so far. The left goes completely nuts when a minority leaves their slave plantation.

Look at what they said about Condi and Steele. Look at what they did to West.

Oh and Jim, the rest of the media TRIED to cover for Edwards until it became obvious they couldn’t. The only one being hysterical is you.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

So that is what Cain IS GUILTY of – of being a serial moron who can’t calmly and rationally adress an issue when things get hot in his campaign.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2011 at 11:49 AM

You know most of us have been very sympathetic to Rick Perry’s brain fart last night yet you continue calling Herman Cain a moron.

I think you need to shut up when Rick Perry surpassed the moron of the decade last night.

Knucklehead on November 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

That wasn’t tried in the media, idiot. The media actively tried to cover it up until they no longer could thanks to the stellar reporting of the National Enquirer. Try again.

gryphon202 on November 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM

oh, and how about Eliott Spitzer, genius???…another sex scandal of a ;white man’ covered to great detail in the media…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

in great detail, that is…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM

I think they should stay

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:05 PM

I absolutely agree 100% neither one of them should drop out. Why should they, there is no good reason for either of them to just give up. The liberal media would love to claim a scalp, and if I were Cain or Perry, I would make sure they don’t get a conservative or TEA party favorite scalp. If I were either campaign, I would go down swinging :) There is nothing to lose by getting their messages out, and puahing back against the media pile on.

As far as Cain’s campaign apologizing to Perry, it’s not going to happen this is about sharp elbows. American politics is a contact sport. Both of these men have shown they can take the hyper media scrutiny. In Cain’s case I think he’s getting the Palin treatment. If the liberal media can’t dig up dirt, they will take “Something” and blow it up into something it’s not, creating a perception not a reality.

Dr Evil on November 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM

First of all, look at the handle, and try thinking it through… Newt-bot? Hardly.

Secondly, do you remember the Autumn of ’98? I sure as hell do. When Larry Flynt is publicly offering $1 million for Herman Cain accusers, then his situation vs. the liberal press might come close what Gingrich went through.

And the last time I checked, Newt Gingrich is White on steroids.

JohnGalt23

I remember 98 very well. Newt’s ego got the better of him and gave the left all kinds of ammo to go after him with.

Seeing as how he was the Majority party Speaker, no sh*t they went after him you newt-bot.
Like I posted elsewhere, black Conservatives drive the left to all new levels of lunacy. Throwing Oreo cookies at Steele, calling Condi a “house n*gger”, giving out West’s SSN. That is how crazy they get. You don’t have a right to your own facts but I’ve noticed you don’t care about such things.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM

pushing back

Dr Evil on November 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

A highly placed Cain source sent the Water Cooler an e-mail: “This is a hysterically funny rumor. The Inside the Beltway crowd is in the midst of a nervous breakdown regarding the success the Cain campaign is having with the American people. Mr. Cain believes in the old adage, ‘You continue to dance with the one that brung ya’ to the dance.’”

High tech flipping-off.

Cracker for Cain.

davidk on November 10, 2011 at 12:35 PM

OMG! But Block made a huge gaffe! It’s like he almost forgot the Dept. of Energy! Cain should withdraw in shame!

John the Libertarian on November 10, 2011 at 12:37 PM

I think you need to shut up when Rick Perry surpassed the moron of the decade last night.
Knucklehead on November 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Well that’ll teach ya, Knucklehead. HondaV65 (V is for vitriol)by the way. I thought you were on laundry detail today, V. Go take a load out.

gracie on November 10, 2011 at 12:41 PM

It’s fine to disagree with Cain’s policies, or to question his readiness for high office. But to those who also have denigrate the man, you should not be welcome in polite company, and you really, really should not be taken seriously. That goes for everyone who refers to him as Herb or Herm too.

TedInATL on November 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

I agree about the denigration. Let’s deal with the man based on the facts, not innuendos. I think the folks who jumped on the sexual harrassment train would be well served to remember how our current President got his first position: sexual scandals against two of his opponents, some of which required some serious breaches of ethics.

As I said on another blog, I still don’t get how running a campaign has any bearing on being President (except for the getting elected part, obviously). I’d rather have a successful CEO than a really slick campaigner, especially with the wreck we find our country in. The idea that campaigning skills equate to Presidential skills is a lot of what got us our current President, and that ain’t working out too great.

AJsDaddie on November 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Look at what they said about Condi and Steele. Look at what they did to West.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Steele is not very bright unfortunately and his running the GOP Committee was a disaster (the corruption and all) so maybe some of the criticism was justified and it wasn’t racially motivated. Condi Rice is in a league of her own (and I would never compare the two, btw) and she was not villified by the media because they had nothing on her really, she was smart and competent, she must have annoyed the heck out of the them because she was Republican and Bush’s Secretary of State, but that’s an entire matter alltogether…the media (MSM or whatever) didn’t smear her, in fact they didn’t have anything on her, hard as they might have tried to dig for some dirt….West, he’s a big boy and it looks like he can take care of himself, besides I don’t think he gives a dead rat on what media makes of his positions anyways….after all he’s the one who brilliantly called that Debbie Wasserman simpleton ‘vile, unprofessional, despicable & not a lady’ :-)…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Steele is not very bright unfortunately and his running the GOP Committee was a disaster (the corruption and all) so maybe some of the criticism was justified and it wasn’t racially motivated. Condi Rice is in a league of her own (and I would never compare the two, btw) and she was not villified by the media because they had nothing on her really, she was smart and competent, she must have annoyed the heck out of the them because she was Republican and Bush’s Secretary of State, but that’s an entire matter alltogether…the media (MSM or whatever) didn’t smear her, in fact they didn’t have anything on her, hard as they might have tried to dig for some dirt….West, he’s a big boy and it looks like he can take care of himself, besides I don’t think he gives a dead rat on what media makes of his positions anyways….after all he’s the one who brilliantly called that Debbie Wasserman simpleton ‘vile, unprofessional, despicable & not a lady’ :-)…

jimver

You nedd to read some more.
They threw Oreo cookies at Steele. Called Condi a “house n*gger”, and gave out West’s SSN. Yet you want to pretend it wasn’t liberal racism?

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Like I posted elsewhere, black Conservatives drive the left to all new levels of lunacy. Throwing Oreo cookies at Steele, calling Condi a “house n*gger”, giving out West’s SSN. That is how crazy they get. You don’t have a right to your own facts but I’ve noticed you don’t care about such things.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM

You seem to have confused racism on the Left with the notion that racism is driving this story.

It isn’t. Either Herman Cain’s history, or the managerial incompetence of the Herman Cain campaign are driving this story.

Once again, no measure of treatment so far accorded Herman Cain is any different from what would be accorded Newt Gingrich, given the same facts.

JohnGalt23 on November 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM

As I said on another blog, I still don’t get how running a campaign has any bearing on being President (except for the getting elected part, obviously)
AJsDaddie on November 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Because we’ve all been told by the LameStreamMedia that King Barry ran the best campaign ever, and King Barry even told us that his super-duper campaign made him ready to lead the country.

Therefore, all the talking heads and blogger’s are continuing with that narrative because King Barry and his super duper campaign has worked out so well for the rest of us.

Got it?

Knucklehead on November 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM

You seem to have confused racism on the Left with the notion that racism is driving this story.

It isn’t. Either Herman Cain’s history, or the managerial incompetence of the Herman Cain campaign are driving this story.

Once again, no measure of treatment so far accorded Herman Cain is any different from what would be accorded Newt Gingrich, given the same facts.

JohnGalt23

Cain said racism was behind the attacks on him. To some degree it is exactly that. That is my point and you know it is true as well. Not te mention he is being attacked more fervently than Newt would be if the roles were reversed, but you know that.

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Called Condi a “house n*gger”, Yet you want to pretend it wasn’t liberal racism?

Hard Right on November 10, 2011 at 12:47 PM

can you link to a liberal media post/article, etc that called her that? I thought we were talking about their handling of the media here and not some idiot leftists in the audience who called them names at some event (political or otherwise)…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Knucklehead on November 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM

The apathy and the timidity of the right to not to push back at the progressive left media is unprecedented. Apparently they honestly believe, that the above the fray optics works – see they are behaving civil and playing by the rules. That’s the problem, when they are still playing by the rules, when their opposition doesn’t even recognize their are rules. The conservative candidates are supposed to fight with one arm tied behind their back, while they are being pulled down into the mud – Perception trumps Reality and Commerce trumps both. The truth is they better be able to fight back, in a fair or dirty fight. Ann Coulter points this out on a regular basis, and she takes her lumps and $$$, and manages to make a living at it. Coulter has been showing conservatives there is no down side to speaking the truth to the American people…..in fact the American people appreciate plain speech. It’s part of Herman Cain’s appeal.

As for Block the topic of this post maybe the reason he’s staying is simple, because there is no one to replace him?

Dr Evil on November 10, 2011 at 1:04 PM

there are rules

I need some more coffee

Dr Evil on November 10, 2011 at 1:05 PM

can you link to a liberal media post/article, etc that called her that? I thought we were talking about their handling of the media here and not some idiot leftists in the audience who called them names at some event (political or otherwise)…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Here ya go.

Knucklehead on November 10, 2011 at 1:06 PM

can you link to a liberal media post/article, etc that called her that? I thought we were talking about their handling of the media here and not some idiot leftists in the audience who called them names at some event (political or otherwise)…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 1:02 PM

You can goggle it. Harry Belefonte among others, called both Condi and Colin Powell this epithet for working in the George W Bush administration. They didn’t get a pass.

Dr Evil on November 10, 2011 at 1:08 PM

can you link to a liberal media post/article, etc that called her that? I thought we were talking about their handling of the media here and not some idiot leftists in the audience who called them names at some event (political or otherwise)…

jimver on November 10, 2011 at 1:02 PM

And here’s more.

Knucklehead on November 10, 2011 at 1:08 PM

I’m a Cain supporter (even donated to him) but I have to agree with Ed. No one wants to fire someone but Block has mishandled things too many times now. I’m pretty forgiving but the accusations based on hearsay or guesses Block put out were the final straw for me.

I’m sure Block is a nice guy and loyal but he needs to be shifted in a different position that he can excel in. This is not that position. I’m sure Cain has had to fire employees who were not matched for the job. If he doesn’t handle this soon, not only will it harm his campaign but it will make me question his leadership capability if loyalty always trumps performance.

batter on November 10, 2011 at 1:14 PM

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