Report: Democrats walk away from Super Committee? Update: I hope they can’t make a deal, says Dem rep

posted at 5:38 pm on November 9, 2011 by Allahpundit

So says Rand Paul to Hannity. Rich Lowry’s hearing the same thing:

Democrats last night rejected a framework for compromise that would have included significant new revenues. They had sounded amenable to the possible deal, but their position suddenly hardened after going back to their caucus. It is almost surely an indication that they want to do everything they can to validate President Obama’s line of attack on a “do nothing” Congress. Sen. Pat Toomey had worked out a framework that he considered pro-growth and a reasonable first step toward fiscal restraint, while making a major concession to Democrats on revenue in the interests of getting a deal. Max Baucus especially had sounded open to it and a sub-group of the supercommittee had been discussing it seriously–but no more

There had also been discussions about reforming corporate taxes to go to a 25 percent top rate and a territorial system. John Kerry, Max Baucus, and Chris Van Hollen had initially seemed open to the idea. That’s dead, too.

With the framework rejected, the operative word you hear from people familiar with the deliberations is “impasse.” Republicans are hoping Democrats come back to the table, but no one is betting on it. President Obama is probably going to get the optic he wants.

A GOP aide confirmed to NBC that the Dems have stepped out of the batter’s box after Republicans tossed them that nasty $300 billion curveball. No less than Dick Durbin called the Republican proposal a “breakthrough” insofar as it shattered the taboo on the right against new revenues, but Lowry’s obviously right that that concession is less valuable to them than maintaining voter perceptions about the GOP being hopelessly obstructionist. The lefty blogosphere’s been buzzing for days about new polls that suggest some significant number of voters think the GOP’s trying to tank the economy in hopes that Obama will take the blame at the polls next year. See TPM for a summary; the margins aren’t overwhelming but PPP at least already shows independents at 51 percent on the question. Democrats obviously believe there’s room to grow, and the first step in that growth is making sure that the image of Republicans as opposed to meaningful compromise of any sort is cemented in voters’ minds. If they can pull that off, maybe they can shift responsibility for the economy to the GOP just in time for election day. That’s been O’s strategy all along with his jobs bill, in fact, weighing it down with tax hikes in full knowledge that the House GOP would choke on it and nothing would get done. Here’s the logical conclusion.

Update: Jerrold Nadler lets the mask slip:

“I hope that they cannot reach an agreement,” Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) said, according to Capital New York.

Some Democrats have suggested that they might have the upper hand in the negotiations because of the rare opportunity for deep reductions in defense spending — something some Democrats have wished for before.

Nadler said there should be significant cuts to military spending.

“I think we should have large military cuts,” Nadler added. “Why do we need, how many troops — 60, 70,000 troops — still in Germany? Why do we need troops in half the places they’re at? We’re still worried about Soviet tank armors invading Western Europe? It’s ridiculous.”

That’s lovely, but the automatic defense cuts will almost surely be rolled back on a bipartisan vote in Congress if the Committee deadlocks. Makes no sense to hope for failure on those grounds.

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gatorboy on November 9, 2011 at 5:42 PM

And once again the GOP wil utterly fail to get the truth of the matter out…but I find it difficult to lay all the blame at their feet when som many Americans are still more interseted in American Idol/Dancing with the Stars than therey are of the US going insolvent or revolution in the streets!

RedLizard64 on November 9, 2011 at 5:42 PM

President Obama is probably going to get the optic he wants.

dang it and the lsm is only too willing to help him out, don’cha know

cmsinaz on November 9, 2011 at 5:44 PM

fleebaggers

BobMbx on November 9, 2011 at 5:44 PM

If the conservative leaning media outlets don’t hammer the Dems on this they are fools. Staying quiet plays right into their hands.

MJZZZ on November 9, 2011 at 5:45 PM

And once again the GOP wil utterly fail to get the truth of the matter out…

RedLizard64 on November 9, 2011 at 5:42 PM

that’s what so bloody frustrating…

cmsinaz on November 9, 2011 at 5:45 PM

The Democrats in Congress walk away.

But if the Republicans don’t shout this news from every rooftop, the Democrats on the street will blame the Republicans for not “reaching across the aisle.”

The Democrat Walk Out should be the headline in every newspaper tomorrow morning.

wren on November 9, 2011 at 5:48 PM

“President Obama is probably going to get the optic he wants.”

THAT is what truly is important here after all…

… isn’t it?

By the way, what does one wear to Bali…?

/

Seven Percent Solution on November 9, 2011 at 5:48 PM

rome fiddles

rob verdi on November 9, 2011 at 5:49 PM

The Dems don’t care if they bankrupt the country with debt, as long as they can win the next election.

Disgusting!

cool breeze on November 9, 2011 at 5:49 PM

The Republicans sell out their base—AGAIN—to get in good with their “friends across the ailse” and they end up looking stupid AGAIN.

Anyone have the link to the picture of Lucy pulling the football out from in front of Charlie Brown—-AGAIN?

dirtseller on November 9, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Flea Baggers Part Deuce?

MeatHeadinCA on November 9, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Democrats obviously believe there’s room to grow, and the first step in that growth is making sure that the image of Republicans as opposed to meaningful compromise of any sort is cemented in voters’ minds. If they can pull that off, maybe they can shift responsibility for the economy to the GOP just in time for election day.

They will more than likely pull it off, because the GOP continues to show their lack of ability or will to mount any kind of a response to the propaganda of Obama and the Dems. The Dems are fighting a war with every move they make and every word they say. The Repubs don’t even have a clue they are in a war.

neuquenguy on November 9, 2011 at 5:54 PM

cmsinaz on November 9, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Are you doing the debate thread tonight?..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2011 at 5:54 PM

I really like Rand Paul.

MayBee on November 9, 2011 at 5:54 PM

I think the Dems are making a misteake..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM

the first step in that growth is making sure that the image of Republicans as opposed to meaningful compromise of any sort is cemented in voters’ minds. If they can pull that off, maybe they can shift responsibility for the economy to the GOP just in time for election day. That’s been O’s strategy all along

If they can pull it off, this experiment in self government is over. If the last 3 years haven’t caused Americans to wake up, then it goes to show they won’t wake up until they are breaking rocks in a gulag. At that point, it’s a little late.

Kataklysmic on November 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM

The Super Committee was doomed to fail from the moment the idea was proposed.

Scrappy on November 9, 2011 at 5:56 PM

I really like Rand Paul.

MayBee on November 9, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Now, Rand would be worth voting for in the next election.

MeatHeadinCA on November 9, 2011 at 5:57 PM

I think the Dems are making a mistake..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Fixed..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2011 at 5:57 PM

But on the plus side at least now the president can run against the evil republicans in the “do-nothing” super committee. Never mind who the “nothing-doers” really are.

Scrappy on November 9, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Kataklysmic on November 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I am starting to think the same thing..:)

PS..It is sad..:(

Dire Straits on November 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM

The Democrats again looking for an exploit to blame Republicans for the failures the Democrats induce and create.

With members on the Super Committee like Rep. Clyburn and Sen. Kerry, did ANYone expect ANYthing else other than more Communist Espionage of the U.S.A.?

Oh, and apparently Clyburn still thinks everyone’s a racist except him and the Congressional BLACK Caucus, and Kerry’s still never met a Communist dictator whose hand he didn’t want to shake.

Lourdes on November 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Dire Straits on November 9, 2011 at 5:54 PM

going to miss it :(

will catch up with you and the rest of the HA crew afterwards…

methinks it will be full of gotchas once again and never really getting anything concrete…

cmsinaz on November 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM

So the Dems and Obama are trying to tank the economy just so they can blame Republicans for tanking the economy. Great.

Weight of Glory on November 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM

in other news Europe heads for collapse again.

rob verdi on November 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM

If they can pull that off

They can pull off whatever they want to pull off, they own the bullhorn that is blaring into the ears of all the voters they need in order to get Dear Leader re-elected.

Knott Buyinit on November 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

cmsinaz on November 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM

You are probably right..I just hope they stay away from the rumors..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

What is so hard about reducing spending for the Democrats?

With Democrats of the wealth of Gates, the Hollywood crew members, Kerry and Teresa, and so many more of them worth billions upon bilions, what IS it with their obsession with spending OTHER people’s money without cessation, pause or reconsideration?

What? Why can’t they recognize that spending more equals needing more. And when your source is someone else’s money, you aren’t working with a full ethical deck.

Lourdes on November 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

“President Obama is probably going to get the optic he wants.”

Yeah, but he’s still going to lose in 2012, which is the optic I care about.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2011 at 6:02 PM

the dems will take no less than everything they want and more more more… republican leadership are in lockstep with them.. repubs just pretend they’re against them.. the repub leadership are dems in disguise.. what more proof would anyone need if you look at their history the last 20 years.. there is only one party now in reality.. time for the so called 3rd party to come into it’s own. get rid of these anti americans. they look at the american people as if they are slaves and piggy banks.. nothing more nothing less.

hogtrashhd on November 9, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Yeah, but he’s still going to lose in 2012, which is the optic I care about.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Hear!..Hear!..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Anyone else notice the stock market closing at -389…?

… Have a nice trip, Mr. President!

/

Seven Percent Solution on November 9, 2011 at 6:02 PM

So the Dems and Obama are trying to tank the economy just so they can blame Republicans for tanking the economy. Great.

Weight of Glory on November 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM

That, in a nutshell, is correct.

Everyone seems to recognize that to be so, too.

Even the Left, but they’re lying about it when they claim otherwise, and I do believe they know they’re lying, but lying anyway.

Lourdes on November 9, 2011 at 6:03 PM

They didn’t want to cut spending. They wanted MORE taxes.

GarandFan on November 9, 2011 at 6:04 PM

So we made grand concessions on the budget, not making real cuts and deferring to the creation of a super committee, then tried making grand concessions on the super committee and…huh. Well, at least you tried, GOP. Now we know to vote you all out as well.

We need to have all our potential candidates undergo a health screening for spines and gonads. Maybe we can just elect the 1976 Raiders.

TexasDan on November 9, 2011 at 6:06 PM

What is so hard about reducing spending for the Democrats?
Lourdes on November 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

IMHO..Their philosophy of their Party is “free” stuff and socialism..Therefore they want to keep the freebies coming..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Democrats are corrupt, evil creatures. They will sink the USS America to further their hideous goals.

darwin on November 9, 2011 at 6:07 PM

But, But, But, It is the Rethuglicans FAULT! What is that smell in the air; OH Yeah, it is BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Old Dog on November 9, 2011 at 6:07 PM

OT but:

Cable cos. to offer $9.95 broadband for poor homes

NEW YORK (AP) — Cable companies said Wednesday that they will offer Internet service for $9.95 per month to homes with children that are eligible for free school lunches.

http://news.yahoo.com/cable-cos-offer-9-95-broadband-poor-homes-135537713.html

I liked one comment :

Philip A 5 hours ago
I’m starting to believe that only chumps work for a living

CW on November 9, 2011 at 6:08 PM

What is so hard about reducing spending for the Democrats?

Lourdes on November 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Because that’s all they offer. Spending for their special interest groups to keep them voting democrat. If they can’t spend … no one would vote for them, they offer nothing else.

darwin on November 9, 2011 at 6:09 PM

What is so hard about reducing spending for the Democrats?
Lourdes on November 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Their base are idiots.

TexasDan on November 9, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Democrats are disgusting, absolutely repulsive, vile creatures. Yet they get away with their shenanigans all the time.

conservative pilgrim on November 9, 2011 at 6:10 PM

I don’t get it. Can someone ‘splain to my simple mind how a Dem walkout makes the GOP appear to be obstructionist?

flipflop on November 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM

“I think we should have large military cuts,” Nadler added. “Why do we need, how many troops — 60, 70,000 troops — still in Germany? Why do we need troops in half the places they’re at? We’re still worried about Soviet tank armors invading Western Europe? It’s ridiculous.”

On this…I agree.

BierManVA on November 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM

in other news Europe heads for collapse again.

rob verdi on November 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM

In yet other news the sunset this evening . . .

rebuzz on November 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM

They are just throwing tantrums to make sure the GOP caves and no cuts end on the table.

promachus on November 9, 2011 at 6:13 PM

I don’t get it. Can someone ‘splain to my simple mind how a Dem walkout makes the GOP appear to be obstructionist?

flipflop on November 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Because the MSM will not report it that way and the Dems will stand in front of the cameras and lie like they always do.

BierManVA on November 9, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Well bho can’t be bothered with all this nasty debt problems, he and mo are on a week or two outta of the US for talks. Hawaii, bali, and australia. It has been a week or so since bho has got his skinny hind end out of the US and now mo needs a vacation too!
All this is at taxpayes and borrowed from china money. I just wonder what leader bho will slam on this trip? What dandy gifts will bho and mo give the countries leaders?

On the subject of mo, I have to say I finally agree with some things she said! Being married to bho is ‘scary’ and ‘I have a big mouth’!

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=209&sid=2625035
L

letget on November 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM

I don’t get it. Can someone ‘splain to my simple mind how a Dem walkout makes the GOP appear to be obstructionist?

flipflop on November 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Simple, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN, ABC “whirled news” . . . not to mention the NYT, LAT, etc. . . .

rebuzz on November 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Because the MSM will not report it that way and the Dems will stand in front of the cameras and lie like they always do.

BierManVA on November 9, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Yep. It’s pretty much that simple. Being rich Democrat means never having to say you’re sorry.

Kataklysmic on November 9, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Mitch McConnell grovels, offers new taxes and spending to entice Democrats back in 5…4…3…2…1….

MrScribbler on November 9, 2011 at 6:16 PM

On the subject of mo, I have to say I finally agree with some things she said! Being married to bho is ‘scary’ and ‘I have a big mouth’!

letget on November 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM

And being married to Patrick Ewing aka “the First Lady” is equally scary! says the one with big ears!

rebuzz on November 9, 2011 at 6:17 PM

dems/leftists are mostly delusional, living in a surreal fictional dystopia that they hold as truth.

here’s the some Senate chariman’s response to the failed emergency test today:

“The weaknesses exposed by today’s test of the emergency alert system are unacceptable. Government and media carriers must work together to make sure the system does what it is intended to do, which is to transmit a nationwide message from the President in a crisis.

huh?? I believe that capability already exists.

leftists/dems seem to think they live in the 19th century where ‘we’ need to invest modern life. Modern life has already arrived, people do not die in the streets…Marx is dead, Birmingham England no longer has coal dust for an atmosphere, Lenin is dead.

The 19th century is dead, leftists.

r keller on November 9, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Can someone explain to me why the GOP isn’t sending out members to every political show on every network making sure the general public know exactly what happened? If the GOP sits quietly hoping that the Dems will return if we just place nice, they are too stupid to be in Congress. If we can’t elect any candidates with backbones maybe we don’t deserve winning seats.

katiejane on November 9, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Why do we need troops in half the places they’re at? We’re still worried about Soviet tank armors invading Western Europe? It’s ridiculous.”

Ridiculous? Didnt russia just invade Georgia 3 years ago?

p00pies on November 9, 2011 at 6:19 PM

“I think we should have large military cuts,” Nadler added. “Why do we need, how many troops — 60, 70,000 troops — still in Germany? Why do we need troops in half the places they’re at? We’re still worried about Soviet tank armors invading Western Europe? It’s ridiculous.”

spare me, they are there to prop up socialist Europe and they will be the last troops ever brought home.

rob verdi on November 9, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Spineless GOP BA$***DS!!!

RedLizard64 on November 9, 2011 at 6:23 PM

We’re still worried about Soviet tank armors invading Western Europe? It’s ridiculous.”

I agree. Europe is lost already, let ‘em sink or swim on their own. Putin can have them.

disa on November 9, 2011 at 6:25 PM

here’s the some Senate chairman’s response to the failed emergency test today

Oh yeah – I forgot about that. Did it happen? I was working. I guess people who are working don’t need any warmings.

disa on November 9, 2011 at 6:28 PM

warmings=warnings!

disa on November 9, 2011 at 6:28 PM

They didn’t want to cut spending. They wanted MORE taxes.

GarandFan on November 9, 2011 at 6:04 PM

In other words, the Democrats want to increase spending.

Lourdes on November 9, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Democrats are corrupt, evil creatures. They will sink the USS America to further their hideous goals.

darwin on November 9, 2011 at 6:07 PM

The exceptionally wealthy Democrat donors set a false standard to others on the Left: they’re set in some so-well-padded environs that it is not in their awareness that other people don’t have all that excess to have siphoned off without a care or by some party demand.

I mean by that, that the high-level-of-wealth experienced by some Democrats, who appear to call the shots culturally (via media they control, the internet and film/tv/publishing) has induced in them a false (very false) sense of reality.

So all they influence have fallen into the same false reality, that the cavalier lifestyles the very wealthy who herd them along illustrates what the rest must have so they go about trying to take it from others who — many — don’t have that degree of ‘throw away money’.

Lourdes on November 9, 2011 at 6:47 PM

I don’t get it. Can someone ‘splain to my simple mind how a Dem walkout makes the GOP appear to be obstructionist?

flipflop on November 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM

I don’t know that story will prevail. Everyone in Congress looks like a failure when these discussions fall apart.

My belief is that there are patriots on both sides of the aisle, but there’s a growing rift between the far left and far right that’s made compromise much more difficult for each side to accept. It was a far easier country to govern from the middle.

bayam on November 9, 2011 at 6:49 PM

I don’t get it. Can someone ‘splain to my simple mind how a Dem walkout makes the GOP appear to be obstructionist?

flipflop on November 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Simple, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN, ABC “whirled news” . . . not to mention the NYT, LAT, etc. . . .

rebuzz on November 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM

When many Democrats are slaves to public workers unions or unions otherwise, what they hear and are told is not reality but the DNC’s propaganda instead, and that is, “the Republicans caused all your problems.”

Lourdes on November 9, 2011 at 6:51 PM

There are two main political parties; the stupid party – the Republicans, and the evil party – the Democrats. The Republicans are stupid because they believe the Democrats have good intentions and want what is best for America. But the Democrats prove every day that they are indeed the evil party.

Dasher on November 9, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Democrats are disgusting, absolutely repulsive, vile creatures. Yet they get away with their shenanigans all the time.

conservative pilgrim on November 9, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Essentially, the Left appeals to the infant in all of us of all ages: “you really want it, you want it, you know you want it, get it now, nowww…”

They know what they’re doing and it’s the same corrupt psychology that unions use, what the Democrats do. They know they’re promising ponies and new pink or blue bikes on Sunday when you get to sleep in and the parents aren’t there and there’s candy all over and no toy stores are locked and you can take whatever you want and eat it all, whatever it is and..

That’s what the Democrats use to hook people. They lie to them throughout public education years (take a look at the product now in the Occupiers, they’re exactly as I just described, all twisted up in contradictions courtesy of the public education system that’s lied to them via public workers unions and other indulgences they were never told they’d have to pay for themselves).

We all have that infant psychology all our lives. It’s just that some of us grow up and out of it and learn to control it for what it is and the Left never does.

Lourdes on November 9, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Why do we need troops in half the places they’re at? We’re still worried about Soviet tank armors invading Western Europe? It’s ridiculous.”

Ridiculous? Didnt russia just invade Georgia 3 years ago?

p00pies on November 9, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Why yes they did… with tanks leading columns of troops!

Mahdi on November 9, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Those leftist Democrats can’t even pronounce “good faith” let alone spell it or practice it . . . self serving dolts.

rplat on November 9, 2011 at 7:28 PM

independents at 51 percent on the question.

I was truly believing that independents had woken up to the fact that Obama snowed them in 2008, and it seems they are still not being careful about what is being fed to them. I’m speechless.

lynncgb on November 9, 2011 at 7:55 PM

And once again the GOP wil utterly fail to get the truth of the matter out…
RedLizard64 on November 9, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Very hard to do when the lsm is in the tank for BHO so bad that the man can take a dump and it be reported as a great day for toilets everywhere!

Phil-351 on November 9, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Duh. That was the plan all along…duh. The ever-smart Mitch McConnell, who, we were told, had crafted this amazing idea to force Barack’s hand. Well, congrat-u-damn-lations, GOP leadership.

SouthernGent on November 9, 2011 at 8:09 PM

The Stupid Party should have seen this possibility ahead of time and gotten ready to be out in front of the story. Immediately start leaking the Democrats intransigence and duplicity and keep the pressure up until the Dems come up with a proposal of their own. Stop being the frog to their scorpion.

Socratease on November 9, 2011 at 8:11 PM

Happen to agree that there are many places in military spending, where we can be more frugal, but not at the expense of expanding the rest of the government machine.

anikol on November 9, 2011 at 8:44 PM

It’s really quite simple, when the Democrats care more about the country, than they do party, we’ll be creating jobs, balancing budgets, and not spending out country into oblivion. Rep. Nadler is not the odd-man out in the Democratic Party, he just happen to say what they’re all thinking. There will be tokens who come out and say it’s a good plan, to cover for the Democrats, but the truth is the deal has already been done and the Democrats are going to cooperate with the President, not because he’s right, but because they feel it’s the only way they can get re-elected.

I hope someone in the Republican Party has figured this out and has a plan to counter it because it’s really pretty obvious.

bflat879 on November 9, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Stevie Wonder saw this coming the minute they voted to pass the legislation that created the super committee.

“I think we should have large military cuts,” Nadler added. “Why do we need, how many troops — 60, 70,000 troops — still in Germany? Why do we need troops in half the places they’re at? We’re still worried about Soviet tank armors invading Western Europe? It’s ridiculous.”

So, what, are they going to work for free if we bring them back to the states? Unless you’re talking about getting rid of those folks altogether, the savings from getting out of Germany, etc, will be negligible.

xblade on November 9, 2011 at 10:17 PM

One more time the Democrats give America the “Sandusky” treatment.

J_Crater on November 10, 2011 at 12:59 AM

F*** the tanks, the REAL threat was “Soviet tank armors”.
I never knew..

Fartnokker on November 10, 2011 at 9:06 AM