Second Cain accuser goes public, says she might hold joint presser with others

posted at 6:15 pm on November 8, 2011 by Allahpundit

Interesting that she’s decided to speak out now after The Daily revealed her identity. Is that because she knows she’ll be hounded anyway and figures she has nothing to lose in talking to the press? Or is she tired of Cain calling her a liar?

“When you are being sexually harassed in the workplace, you are extremely vulnerable,” [Kraushaar] said. “You do whatever you can to quickly get yourself into a job someplace safe, and that is what I thought I had achieved when I left.”…

She said she did not know whether or how she might tell more of her story, but had been warming “to the idea of a joint press conference where all of the women would be together with our attorneys and all of this evidence would be considered together.”

She said of Mr. Cain: “These allegations can be considered together as a body of evidence.”

Politico reveals that she’s the one who received the $45,000 settlement from the NRA. Via Fox News, here’s two snippets from Cain’s presser, the highlight of which was probably him saying he’d be willing to take a lie-detector test — but only if someone gives him a good reason to do it. I’m thinking the spectacle of multiple accusers in front of the cameras, using their own names, at a joint press conference would be withering enough to give him that reason. But maybe there’s another way: Like Ace says, there must be some documentation somewhere confirming or debunking Bialek’s story about the meeting and the hotel in 1997. Either the hotel, the NRA, or a credit card company must have receipts.

Go read Jim Geraghty’s list of unasked questions at the press conference. He has messages out to the Chicago hotel to try to find out if Bialek’s suite was upgraded, as she claims, but they haven’t responded to him yet. Exit quotation: “There will probably be others – not because I am aware of any, but because the machine to keep a businessman out of the White House is going to be relentless.”


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CAIN Iowa Fund now at $975K at least $100K dump on today…obviously some people are not buying this accustion stream.

RedLizard64 on November 8, 2011 at 8:20 PM

Now standing at $979,000.

It was at $787,000 at 10:00 a.m today.

Knucklehead on November 8, 2011 at 8:32 PM

You’re supporting ***** the Unspeakable? Neat. *****/Cthulhu 2012!

HTL on November 8, 2011 at 7:01 PM

JESUS!!!!

Don’t say the name.

Don’t even think it…

JohnGalt23 on November 8, 2011 at 7:13 PM

There, that’s what you should have done. Can’t anybody play this game?

RINO in Name Only on November 8, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Why would democrats attack the frontrunner with this now? That makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. They would sit on it until the frontrunner is the nominee, and then they would drop it all on him at once.

thphilli on November 8, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Allow me to outline some possible strategic thinking showing how something like this actually could make a lot of sense.

In our hypothetical, you’ve got Generic Party Blue running against Generic Party Red. Blue is the incumbent, and there’s a collection of Red candidates vying for the candidacy, and it’s prior to the start of the primaries.

Blue has done in-depth opposition research, and has shaken out various skeletons from the candidates’ past. What is the optimal general strategy for Blue to employ, assuming that they act in a coordinated fashion, and that they are confident that one of the current crop of candidates will actually win the nomination?

Let’s say that on a one-to-ten scale, ten being the worst scandal imaginable, the oppo research indicates that four of the five candidates (A,B,C,D,E) have skeletons in the 3 to 6 range, but one of them (let’s say D) has a few minor skeletons, and one or two major ones in the 8 to 9 range.

To maximize Red’s chance of winning, they would want to ensure that they can do the maximum possible damage to the candidate who eventually gets the nomination, but only after it’s “too late” to do anything about it. Red’s ideal scenario would be to selectively release opposition research against A, B, C and E as each of them becomes the front-runner, but releasing either no opposition research or only mild forms against candidate D during times when they are the front-runner.

By doing so, Red uses its ammunition in the wisest fashion: to maximize the chance that they will face candidate D in the general, allowing them to release their most powerful research late in the process for maximum possible damage.

Under such a strategy, you’d see damaging information coming out about various front-runners early on, and you’d see it happen over and over. You’d see much less released against one of the candidates, though, helping to improve the chances that they will face that candidate and be able to inflict much more damage later.

A thoroughly logical and rational strategy, that would have the opponents releasing damaging info against most front-runners, before the primaries are over. Clearer?

Perhaps in this analogy, Cain is Candidate C and Romney is Candidate D. If the Dems were to employ a strategy like this, it would be in their interest to knock Cain off of front-runner status, if they believe they have much more damaging info that they can deploy later against Romney, and thus are trying to manipulate the early outcome to their own later advantage.

VekTor on November 8, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Another interesting fact both public accusers are WHITE women with BLONDE hair…anyone thinking how well this plays in to photographic stereotyping?

RedLizard64 on November 8, 2011 at 8:34 PM

5. Before I get bombarded be assure I am a conservative Tea Party woman. Do not feel positive or negative related to Cain. Just saying I think there’s more to this.
momoftxmomof3 on November 8, 2011 at 7:41 PM

If so, we haven’t heard anything yet that can be confirmed one way or another.

whatcat on November 8, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Do you mean about that chin comment? Cain admitted he said it and that it was the one point that the counsel said was the issue in her complaint. So he’s not lying about.

Texas Gal

To be fair, just because he said this is what happened doesn’t mean he wasn’t lying. He very well could be. You’d think he could come up with a better lie if it is a lie, but it is what it is.

And just so there’s no misunderstanding, I’m not saying he is lying, I’m saying he could be.

Bottom line, this accuser could have given us the details days ago, and hasn’t. Now, apparently, she only wants to do it if she can get others to do it with her, which doesn’t make a lot of sense. Either her allegation is/was legit or it isn’t. She doesn’t need a bunch of other women to shield her.

xblade on November 8, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Tom_Shipley on November 8, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Several possibilities. Who knows? Some could see a pay day. Some could have an axe to grind for some other reason. Some could have political motives. Aside from yesterday’s entry, we have no idea who these people are or what could motivate them. As I said, she is the most credible of the lot, which isn’t saying much. That’s part of the problem. We cannot judge their credibility either pro or con.

The anonymous ones are not having their lives picked apart. Unless we know more about them and have something stronger to go in, it is rational to think that their stories are contrived.

MJBrutus on November 8, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Gah!

Starting with the fifth paragraph (“To maximize…”) on, all references to Red should instead say Blue.

I blame communism.

VekTor on November 8, 2011 at 8:39 PM

VekTor on November 8, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Additionally I would add two other points which I have made before. Cain effectively takes the Race Card/Black victimization angle off the table shoudl Cain get the nomination…so if he ever pulls into the lead it has to be FAST and FURIOUS to take him out because you want no chance of him getting it…because you actually WANT Romney because RomneyCare is Romneys Achilles heel and effectively neutralizes the ObamaCare issue…something you are very concerned about because it resulted in your party losing the House in 2010…just saying.

RedLizard64 on November 8, 2011 at 8:40 PM

You’re supporting ***** the Unspeakable? Neat. *****/Cthulhu 2012!

HTL on November 8, 2011 at 7:01 PM

JESUS!!!!

Don’t say the name.

Don’t even think it…

JohnGalt23 on November 8, 2011 at 7:13 PM

There, that’s what you should have done. Can’t anybody play this game?

RINO in Name Only on November 8, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Point taken. I had forgotten the lessons I learned from this short documentary that appeared some years ago on Night Gallery.

HTL on November 8, 2011 at 8:47 PM

xblade on November 8, 2011 at 8:34 PM

I appreciate fairness. But his words all are that has come forward. Let’s hear from the 2 women.

I don’t think he would have even offered the info he did if he knew there was more to the claim because it would be a foolish thing for him to do. Offering to take a lie detector would be foolish of him to do if he is lying.

And you’re right, if her claim was legit, she doesn’t need the others at her side.

Texas Gal on November 8, 2011 at 8:49 PM

I know I speak to a very small group, but ……
One of the characteristics of this spirit is to gather around her a supportive ‘sisterhood’.
Never fails, and a sure-fire indicator.
Hold strong, Herman .. Pretty sure he knows what I’m talking about.

pambi on November 8, 2011 at 8:55 PM

To our detriment.

coldwarrior on November 8, 2011 at 7:10 PM

coldwarrior:Well said,and I agree!:)

canopfor on November 8, 2011 at 8:56 PM

In less than 5 seconds, you exposed the BS of how people “hear what they think” – like Honda – who is attempting to “quote” Cain, but magically used a term and vernacular, completely differnt than what was actual SAID by Cain.

All the while, he is trying to knock Cain for remembering something that may or may not have happened 14 years ago… yethe can’t get a direct quote right from 25 minutes ago.

Thats folks – is how BS is started and maintains speed.

Odie1941 on November 8, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Very good point. Please apply this to the following as well.

Yeah, Cain so “conservative” that he believes abortion should be the “family’s choice” and he wants to saddle us with a national sales tax (that in three years will be 30%).

Aslans Girl on November 8, 2011 at 6:55 PM

MikeM on November 8, 2011 at 8:59 PM

And you’re right, if her claim was legit, she doesn’t need the others at her side.

Texas Gal on November 8, 2011 at 8:49 PM

Power in numbers or a college sorority get-together?

Knucklehead on November 8, 2011 at 8:59 PM

And I’ve been reading today all these accounts about Bialik being some kind of hottie or irresistible blonde-bombshell or something…holy sheet, do these people own a hi-def TV? When she came on my dog ran out of the room whimpering. Anyway, it is my humble estimation that Gloria Cain is a much more attractive woman.

RepubChica on November 8, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Laughing too hard…. need air… must breathe….

MikeM on November 8, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Can we at least agree that Cain will never be president?

Reagan Republican on November 8, 2011 at 9:12 PM

His wife was living in another state while he was at the NRA.

When the cat is away…

Hollowpoint on November 8, 2011 at 7:38 PM

And he has never left his wife since?

MikeM on November 8, 2011 at 9:14 PM

momoftxmomof3 on November 8, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Interesting comment.

Thank you for posting!

Keep in mind though, several of them did not report anything. I have a feeling that more money will open more mouths and it will be up to to still trust or not.

MikeM on November 8, 2011 at 9:17 PM

This is a media lynching of a black man.

Dollayo on November 8, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Power in numbers or a college sorority get-together?

Knucklehead on November 8, 2011 at 8:59 PM

It sure would be interesting to know the timeline on the claims the 2 women made against Cain at NRA and the working relationship between the 2 women.

My experience is that one piggy-backs on the other when they see $$$. Kind of like when you pay ransom to hostage takers, it encourages other hostage taking. And I understand why NRA would pay them both to leave. Evidently, neither of them had very good lawyers or neither of them had much evidence because one years salary tells me that what ever they brought to NRA in the way of skills, was not worth the nuance they brought to their claims.

Texas Gal on November 8, 2011 at 9:21 PM

The most amazing part of this story is that Cain had a 10 days advance notice from Politico and he failed to get out in front of this.

The accusers strike me as entirely credible. I suspect Herm is (or has been) a serial groper.

Go ahead. Nominate him. Make President Obama’s day.

chumpThreads on November 8, 2011 at 9:27 PM

PPP Ohio Republican Primary poll out today, 500 Ohio Republican voters surveyed. (PDF file)

Cain 34%, Gingrich 20%, Romney 19%, Someone else/not sure 9%, all others 5% or less.

Q10 thru Q14 are about Cain’s current quandary; some interesting results: 77% say Cain should remain in the race, they say the media gets 47% as “most responsible” for the allegations.

electric-rascal on November 8, 2011 at 9:29 PM

This is a media lynching of a black man.

Playing jujitsu with the race card isn’t going to save Cain.

Reagan Republican on November 8, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Cain 34%, Gingrich 20%, Romney 19%, Someone else/not sure 9%, all others 5% or less.

Q10 thru Q14 are about Cain’s current quandary; some interesting results: 77% say Cain should remain in the race, they say the media gets 47% as “most responsible” for the allegations.

electric-rascal on November 8, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Oh my!

And Herman Cain’s Iowa Money Bomb just hit $1,000,000

Knucklehead on November 8, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Playing jujitsu with the race card isn’t going to save Cain.

Reagan Republican on November 8, 2011 at 9:33 PM

I’ll bet you that his inner fortitude and decency will save him, though. :)

Bizarro No. 1 on November 8, 2011 at 9:40 PM

Oh my!

And Herman Cain’s Iowa Money Bomb just hit $1,000,000

Knucklehead on November 8, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Awesome. Some people are the Hotair offices won’t be very happy…

Chudi on November 8, 2011 at 9:41 PM

Every woman leveling an accusation at Mr. Cain must be treated EXACTLY like Paula Jones was…

“HAVE AT YOU!”

Khun Joe on November 8, 2011 at 9:42 PM

And Herman Cain’s Iowa Money Bomb just hit $1,000,000

Knucklehead on November 8, 2011 at 9:38 PM

There’s now a gusher coming out of the top, and Herman is pointing at it!

electric-rascal on November 8, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Oh my!

And Herman Cain’s Iowa Money Bomb just hit $1,000,000

Knucklehead on November 8, 2011 at 9:38 PM

He may wanna go with a different graphic than that though. It looks like blood gushing.

Doughboy on November 8, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Playing jujitsu with the race card isn’t going to save Cain.

Reagan Republican on November 8, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Save him? He is winning this thing! This isn’t going to take him down, in fact, he will probably move up in the polls after this because anyone with common sense realizes this is the media attacking a threat to Obama’s election. I know, if only Cain would get out of the way so that Mitt Romney RINO and Rick “Welcome To Mexico” Perry can have their little squabble. Even dems know Cain is the only threat to Obama which is why I posted that link. I wonder how much they paid that lying activist who “now” works for Obama.

Dollayo on November 8, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Every woman leveling an accusation at Mr. Cain must be treated EXACTLY like Paula Jones was…

“HAVE AT YOU!”

Khun Joe on November 8, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Paula Jones was credible. And she got her day in court. And she stuck her neck out from day-freaking-one. The differences between her case and L’Affaire Cain are striking.

gryphon202 on November 8, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Awesome. Some people are the Hotair offices won’t be very happy…

Chudi on November 8, 2011 at 9:41 PM

They’ll figure out some way to spin it.

BTW, some of us here appreciate your support even though Romney is your candidate. Thank you.

Knucklehead on November 8, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Decision 2012: It`s not an election….. It`s a war.

ThePrez on November 8, 2011 at 9:59 PM

There’s now a gusher coming out of the top, and Herman is pointing at it!

electric-rascal on November 8, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Kinda makes me feel … uncomfortable.

JellyToast on November 8, 2011 at 10:03 PM

allegations don’t make evidence.
Obviously so grief stricken that they waited a decade to say anything after collecting their money.

Hoping for a book deal?

A reality show?

ellesar04 on November 8, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Kinda makes me feel … uncomfortable.

JellyToast on November 8, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Would you like me to call Gloria for ya??

kringeesmom on November 8, 2011 at 10:10 PM

New FB fans for Cain for the past 24 hours…+5907, Perry +143, Romney +1591.

kringeesmom on November 8, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Either the hotel, the NRA, or a credit card company must have receipts.

I do not understand why no one is demanding Bialek, as accuser, produce records to support her claim.

First, she had just been let go by the NRA. She had contacted Cain personally for help finding a job, presumably using his connections with other companies. So, this had nothing to do with NRA and I think it would be unlikely they would cover any expense for a room of someone they just let go. Also, as Cain stated, she worked for the NRA offices in Chicago. Had they been considering rehiring her she would probably have interviewed there and not been brought in to meet the President personally. But no one has suggested NRA was considering rehiring her.

Second, she booked the room herself and stayed in it. There is no reason to believe the Hilton would be unwilling to release records of that to her attorney if Aldred asked. Upon hearing her room had been upgraded she originally believed her boyfriend had done so until Cain stated he had. She does not say Cain paid for the room. Even with an upgrade she would have still paid the original price she had booked the hotel room for. No permission is needed from Cain or the NRA for Bialek to obtain these records if the hotel or her credit card company still has them.

IMHO, if Cain had indeed got her room upgraded he probably used influence within the hotel to get that granted gratis. Something very likely considering Cain’s status as a VIP client. Free upgrades aren’t unusual. So even if he had there is a chance there will be no record on his credit cards.

Rocks on November 8, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Let’s see…one works for the Treasury as a Communications Director, but won’t return phone calls. Obama patronage hack.

The other is a broke dead beat who has David Axelrod as her lawyer, and who uses her wiles to get jobs she can’t do, and so gets fired later.

Who’s next?

MarkT on November 8, 2011 at 10:15 PM

“The accusers strike me as entirely credible. I suspect Herm is (or has been) a serial groper.

Go ahead. Nominate him. Make President Obama’s day.

chumpThreads on November 8, 2011 at 9:27 PM”

You suspect, lol, I suspect someone struck you in the head and that is why you are lacking in brain capacity. Let me know in which instance the supposed groping took place. You have heard one account with very little detail that has been contested.

Africanus on November 8, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Rocks on November 8, 2011 at 10:13 PM

You’re one-sided in your analysis. Why don’t you look at it from another angle: what if Bialek is speaking the truth?

:)

TheRightMan on November 8, 2011 at 10:27 PM

It’s time nor for the National Restaurant Association to release the entirety of her settlement details. What her accusation was at the time, what the investigation found, everything. Cain can’t do it, he doesn’t have the data and has no legal access to it. NRA can and her breach of non-disclosure should release them from liability.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on November 8, 2011 at 10:33 PM

The other is a broke dead beat who has David Axelrod as her lawyer, and who uses her wiles to get jobs she can’t do, and so gets fired later.

Who’s next?

MarkT on November 8, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Different Axelrod. Not the O-hack, just some poor soul doomed to have his name legally changed to Ira Shiester or something more respectable like that.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on November 8, 2011 at 10:38 PM

TheRightMan on November 8, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Nothing of what I said precludes the idea she is telling the truth. I was speaking towards NRA’s possible involvement and ability to produce records. There’s this idea out there that records can not be obtained until NRA or Cain requests & releases them. It’s not true.

Rocks on November 8, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Bye, Herman.

Philly on November 8, 2011 at 10:45 PM

Bottom line, this accuser could have given us the details days ago, and hasn’t. Now, apparently, she only wants to do it if she can get others to do it with her, which doesn’t make a lot of sense. Either her allegation is/was legit or it isn’t. She doesn’t need a bunch of other women to shield her.

xblade on November 8, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Because sexual harassment is so often he said/she said one way to prove it is to show a pattern of behavior. Having multiple women who don’t know each other present credible evidence of harassment only strengthens their cases.

Bill C on November 9, 2011 at 12:26 AM

I do not understand why no one is demanding Bialek, as accuser, produce records to support her claim.

Rocks on November 8, 2011 at 10:13 PM

How does she get hold of Herman Cain’s credit card records?

Bill C on November 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on November 8, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Unless there is someone still there that did not like Cain and realizes that mucking up the works on disclosure is a way to get back at Cain…just thinking out loud that’s all.

RedLizard64 on November 9, 2011 at 1:55 AM

This latest accuser is a serial system abuser- using the same lawyer who got her the small jackpot at RSA. I like how being denied to work from home somehow is supposed to reward her with a one year scholarship to Kennedy School of Government and a promotion. A Christmas wish list, I suppose.

michaelo on November 9, 2011 at 8:01 AM

How does she get hold of Herman Cain’s credit card records?

Bill C on November 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Why does she need to get hold of Cain’s credit card records to show she stayed in a room she booked and paid for using her own credit card? Cain upgraded her room. Even if he paid for the upgrade with his credit card she still paid the original amount with hers. No where does she suggest Cain paid for the entire cost of her room.

Rocks on November 9, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Having multiple women who don’t know each other present credible evidence of harassment only strengthens their cases.

Bill C on November 9, 2011 at 12:26 AM

That’s one of the problems here. What credible evidence has any of these accusers presented? The idea they didn’t know each other may not be totally correct either. They did all work for the same company.

Rocks on November 9, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Having multiple women who don’t know each other present credible evidence of harassment only strengthens their cases.

Bill C on November 9, 2011 at 12:26 AM

Not true. here

Some research studies have suggested that 6% of all women and 13% of all men have some chronic level of mistrust towards the motivations of others towards them. Only about 0.5% to 0.25% of men and women can actually be diagnosed with paranoid personality disorder ,

Read more: Paranoia – dose, causes, therapy, withdrawal, drug, person, people, medication http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Paranoia.html#ixzz1dFAlXhFg

So we have 5 people so far that have come out and said that cain abused them. Do we know the total amount of women that cain has interacted with ? These 5 people may infact fall into that demographic. I am sure he has delt with more then 1000.

ColdWarrior57 on November 9, 2011 at 4:02 PM

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