“This so-called story”: Cain unloads on media in new statement; Update: Cain statement published yesterday

posted at 7:46 pm on November 7, 2011 by Allahpundit

Via Todd Starnes of Fox News, is it still a “so-called story” when you have a woman making accusations on TV under her own name? If The One were suddenly facing a bunch of similar claims from his community-organizing days, including one from a named accuser, I’m thinking … yeah, story.

When in trouble, trust in the magic formula to firm up support: Media-bashing + “outsider” authenticity (“I won’t play by the establishment’s rules”) + vagueness on the particulars.

Unfortunately, the media-driven process by which one must seek this opportunity is fundamentally unserious. I have touched on this before – the emphasis on “gaffes,” gotcha questions and time devoted to trivial nonsense – and everyone knows the process only became further detached from relevance this week as the media published anonymous, ancient, vague personal allegations against me.

Once this kind of nonsense starts, the media’s rules say you have to act in a certain way. I am well aware of these rules. And I refuse to play by them

Another reason I refuse to play by these rules is that, by doing it my way, I’m getting much better results. My fundraising has skyrocketed since all this nonsense began. Just this weekend, the Washington Post has come out with a new poll – taken since all this started – showing me in the lead nationally, with my numbers on the rise…

But the process by which we choose our presidents has become so warped that, when something like this happens, the media and political strategists start grading you on whether you play an absurd game by their absurd rules.

A few things. One: The reason there’s been an emphasis on “gaffes” in his case is because all too often the gaffes have to do with significant policy matters. Go watch the clip here again if you missed it earlier. Two: He says later that the witnesses to these alleged harassment incidents are all conspicuously anonymous. Not true, though. Chris Wilson put his name on the record. Three: He makes the point that he’s had thousands of professional conversations over the years, so some people were bound to be rubbed the wrong way. Right, but of course so have Romney and Perry and no one’s accused them of harassment, let alone four people.

Here’s Allred talking to Wolf Blitzer tonight about the charges. She says Bialek won’t accept money for this story and, more noteworthy, claims that she has sworn affidavits from two people who say Bialek told them about the alleged incident with Cain around the time that it happened in 1997. She won’t reveal their names — yet — but she did supposedly read the affidavits to reporters after today’s presser. Oh, and according to John Nolte of Big Hollywood, it turns out Bialek is indeed a registered Republican and that she did in fact attend “Teacon” in Chicago last month, as she claimed. Stay tuned.

I am a serious person, seeking the opportunity to do a serious and very important job. Our nation has very serious problems, particularly of an economic nature, and Barack Obama does not have the skill, knowledge or will to solve them.

I do.

Unfortunately, the media-driven process by which one must seek this opportunity is fundamentally unserious. I have touched on this before – the emphasis on “gaffes,” gotcha questions and time devoted to trivial nonsense – and everyone knows the process only became further detached from relevance this week as the media published anonymous, ancient, vague personal allegations against me.

Once this kind of nonsense starts, the media’s rules say you have to act in a certain way. I am well aware of these rules. And I refuse to play by them.

There are several reasons for this. One is that, lest anyone forget, we actually have serious matters to talk about. Since the media went bananas over this so-called story, my schedule has not changed in the slightest. I have continued to make all planned public appearances. I have continued to answer questions about my 9-9-9 tax reform plan. I have continued to do everything else that our strategy proscribes.

Another reason I refuse to play by these rules is that, by doing it my way, I’m getting much better results. My fundraising has skyrocketed since all this nonsense began. Just this weekend, the Washington Post has come out with a new poll – taken since all this started – showing me in the lead nationally, with my numbers on the rise.

The media may be obsessed with this business, but the voters are not. And I am not.

But there’s another crucially important reason I refuse to play by these rules: These rules stink. Can the process by which we pick the leader of our nation be any more absurd? I’m not talking about the primary process or the role of the electorate. There is nothing wrong with that. I am talking about the media’s trivializing of such an important matter.

Consider: I held various executive positions in corporate America for several decades. I had thousands of employees working for me. I can’t even begin to recall how many conversations I had with people during that time, how many directives I gave, how much friendly banter might have taken place.

I also had to make tough decisions during these years. I turned around a poorly performing region for Burger King, then turned around a struggling Godfather’s Pizza organization. At some point during a career like this, someone will not like things you do, or how you do it. Someone will complain.
That is just the nature of things if you’ve ever done much in your life.

So once the editors of Politico started looking for people who would make claims against me, their chances of finding a few takers were probably about 100 percent. These people will not give their names. The so-called “witnesses” who purportedly corroborated their stories also will not give their names. That’s about what you would expect when people are engaging in a “hatchet job,” as it’s been described by Joseph Fassler, who was chairman of the National Restaurant Association board when I was there.

It’s easy to make accusations when, by virtue of your anonymity, you don’t have to be held accountable for the claims you’re making. It’s easy to publish them when, like Politico, you don’t follow basic rules of journalism by naming your sources or giving any details whatsoever about what supposedly happened.

But the process by which we choose our presidents has become so warped that, when something like this happens, the media and political strategists start grading you on whether you play an absurd game by their absurd rules.

When someone stops you on the street and hits you with an accusation like this, they subsequently write a story about the look in your eyes, and how many seconds it took you to speak some words in response.

They go to “crisis management experts” who offer the usual sage wisdom about “getting all the information out” – as if you can get any “information” out (aside from telling them nothing happened, which they don’t want to hear) in response to allegations that are unsourced and nonspecific.

Then, when you haven’t “calmed the firestorm” – if only because the people wielding the blow-torches have no intention of putting them out – more experts are put on the air to say this proves you are “not ready for prime time.”

Maybe that would matter if I was trying out for the cast of Saturday Night Live. But this should be a slightly more serious undertaking than that.

Contrary to the belief of experts, so wise and learned in the ways of politics, I do know what the established rules say I am supposed to do. I simply refuse to do it. That’s because the rules are ridiculous, and they produce leaders like Barack Obama, who play the political game like experts but govern like complete incompetents.

The nation needs its tax structure reformed, its spending brought under control, its debt reduced and its overall governing structure made far more responsive to the needs of the people. The nation needs many other problems addressed. If it’s OK with the American people, I would like to address them.

If the media want to continue talking about nonsense, that’s fine. I’m not going to join them. It doesn’t look like the citizenry plans to join them either.

Update: Here’s something odd. Dan Calabrese of North Star National e-mailed tonight to say that the statement above was actually published yesterday as Cain’s weekly column. That makes much more sense; it seemed strange to push out a stemwinder about the media using shadowy sources to smear him on a day when someone had stepped out of the shadows.

What makes it odder, though, is that the stemwinder was apparently pushed out tonight, even though yesterday’s column was already somewhat dated. Both Todd Starnes of Fox and Maggie Haberman of Politico said the column was e-mailed out late today, after Bialek’s presser. So I guess Team Cain thought it applied perfectly well to the new allegations too or else someone forgot to suspend an automated “weekly column” blast e-mail in time.

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He didn’t blame Perry.
Color me stunned.
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annoyinglittletwerp on November 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM

I am well aware of these rules. And I refuse to play by them…
Another reason I refuse to play by these rules is that, by doing it my way, I’m getting much better results.

Good Lord. I sure hope those words don’t come back to haunt him.

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM

He didn’t blame Perry.
Color me stunned.
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annoyinglittletwerp on November 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Color? As in “colored guy”?

Racist.

Bishop on November 7, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Don’t feel like directly answering to the media, fine. You do have to answer to your supporters and your potential voters. If you don’t want to do that, you may as well drop out now.

lowandslow on November 7, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Color? As in “colored guy”?

Racist.

Bishop on November 7, 2011 at 7:49 PM

I can’t believe she said that. I guess as a southerner from Texas lynchings are a way of life for her. ///

sharrukin on November 7, 2011 at 7:52 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Hello alt..:)

Dire Straits on November 7, 2011 at 7:53 PM

but of course so have Romney and Perry and no one’s accused them of harassment, let alone four people.

Well, not yet

parteagirl on November 7, 2011 at 7:55 PM

We know Allah and Ed support Perry, and are looking for every opportunity to torpedo the other candidates, or else I see no reason for them to just take her words as fact.

It is now way too easy in this country to smear somebody…way too easy.

Chudi on November 7, 2011 at 7:55 PM

No matter who the GOP candidate is, this is what we’ll see for the next year. Wall-to-wall personal ‘scandals’.

Judging by the comments here, it will be effective in its intent, as well.

Scott H on November 7, 2011 at 7:55 PM

I was with Cain while this thing was in the “unknown wrongdoing alleged by anonymous accusers” stage, but we’re beyond that now.

Fair or unfair, presidential candidates have to refute specific charges of sexual misconduct by named individuals. Until he does, I can’t support him.

Nessuno on November 7, 2011 at 7:55 PM

That’s because the rules are ridiculous, and they produce leaders like Barack Obama, who play the political game like experts but govern like complete incompetents.

I still think he’s awesome, but the machine has taken him down. Hard to ignore the sheer glee with which the accuser spoke today, as if she relished taking Cain down.

Gingrich/Cain 2012!!

redfoxbluestate on November 7, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Didn’t Barack Obama have homosexual sex with Larry Sinclair? Why isn’t HOTAIR publicizing that?

MitchFlorida on November 7, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Cain’s statement sure doesn’t sound like it was written after Bialek came forward. Several times he disputes the value of “anonymous” accusers.

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 7:56 PM

He’s definitely playing to the base. Hey, if it works…let it.

SouthernGent on November 7, 2011 at 7:56 PM

She says Bialek won’t accept money for this story and, more noteworthy, claims that she has sworn affidavits from two people who say Bialek told them about the alleged incident with Cain around the time that it happened in 1997. She won’t reveal their names — yet

…and the screws are slowly tightening. like her or not, she’s pretty good.

sesquipedalian on November 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM

I’m still waiting to see anything more substantive than he-said, she-said. She-said plus two affidavits is still she-said, unless of course the affidavits are from people who were actually there.

This woman doesn’t get the presumption of credibility. Not when it’s been 14 years, moreso since it’s been 14 years and she waited a week and got a hold of Gloria Allred before relaying her harrowing tale. And it’s all too sad that dishonest people on our side are suddenly hiding behind a pulpit and saying “shame, shame” to Cain and his supporters. Ace, especially, is mad at somebody that Perry’s numbers are in the dumper, and I guess Rush Limbaugh and Herman Cain are to blame.

As for “vagueness on the particulars,” Allah, way to crib from Ace, who also wrote – completely falsely – that Cain hasn’t addressed this case. He has. He’s denied these allegations. Do your freaking homework.

KingGold on November 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Cain’s statement sure doesn’t sound like it was written after Bialek came forward. Several times he disputes the value of “anonymous” accusers.

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 7:56 PM

He’s winging it, to see how far he can go.

the_nile on November 7, 2011 at 7:58 PM

We know Allah and Ed support Perry, and are looking for every opportunity to torpedo the other candidates, or else I see no reason for them to just take her words as fact.
Chudi on November 7, 2011 at 7:55 PM

Wow, really, that’s how you see it? Oh, Chudi, sorry, I didn’t realize that was you commenting. Never mind.

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 7:58 PM

When all others are defeated this way. They will turn on Romney with some illegal that he hired, waiting in the wings for 20 years illegal all that time and still does not know English to claim that he beat with a whip because he would not convert to Mormonisms or something and the right will say sure that is believable. Just like when they say communism does not kill millions so lets try it this time it will be better.

tjexcite on November 7, 2011 at 7:58 PM

I’ve liked Cain, particularly his life story, but never thought his rise in the polls was sustainable. Dunno why…whatever.

I didn’t believe the earlier (Politico) allegations; but this new accuser, along with his “Let’s change the subject, get the emphasis off me, and blame the media” statement pretty much ends his candidacy.

If he could have denied these allegations, he would have. He can’t, and he’s done. Over. Kaput. Fini.

IrishEi on November 7, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Please let this guy go from the room. He’s finished up hsi two minutes fames.

promachus on November 7, 2011 at 7:59 PM

This is getting ridiculous now. Cain needs to just come out and say this is either all BS or what actually happened. I am tired of this ship shod politicking and half baked allegations. End this garbage now.

Ugh, just wake me up after the primary.

Gatsu on November 7, 2011 at 7:59 PM

He’s winging it, to see how far he can go.

the_nile on November 7, 2011 at 7:58 PM

If by ‘winging it’ you mean trying to ignore the Bialek accusations, I’d tend to agree with you.

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Then, when you haven’t “calmed the firestorm” – if only because the people wielding the blow-torches have no intention of putting them out – more experts are put on the air to say this proves you are “not ready for prime time.”

Maybe that would matter if I was trying out for the cast of Saturday Night Live. But this should be a slightly more serious undertaking than that.

Contrary to the belief of experts, so wise and learned in the ways of politics, I do know what the established rules say I am supposed to do. I simply refuse to do it. That’s because the rules are ridiculous, and they produce leaders like Barack Obama, who play the political game like experts but govern like complete incompetents.

I like this section of what Cain said.

We really do have to realize that yeah, Cain probably was more sexually forward than some women wanted. I haven’t heard him accused of rape. But, taking a stpe back, WOW, the mainstream media really is trying to destroy his career. Just plain take him out. Get rid of him. It’s a hell of a thing to watch.

Damn, this is hard-ball.

cane_loader on November 7, 2011 at 8:00 PM

We know Allah and Ed support Perry, and are looking for every opportunity to torpedo the other candidates, or else I see no reason for them to just take her words as fact.

That’s right, Chudi. I’m a hack brimming with agendas. Always playing an angle — that’s me.

I don’t mind when you guys call me a moron and I certainly don’t mind when you correct me on facts, but I’m getting awfully tired of having my motives impugned. Go do it on another site.

Allahpundit on November 7, 2011 at 8:00 PM

redfox: May I ask why you may think that any candidate is immune from ‘the machine”s smear campaign?

Scott H on November 7, 2011 at 8:00 PM

SouthernGent on November 7, 2011 at 7:56 PM

The choice the party has this time: Romney who is too much like OBama and Cain who is too much like Clinton.

promachus on November 7, 2011 at 8:00 PM

…and the screws are slowly tightening. like her or not, she’s pretty good.

sesquipedalian on November 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM

So you expect her to come out and say she will accept money for her story? Are you that stupid, really?

Chudi on November 7, 2011 at 8:00 PM

A couple of questions:

Why was she fired? Harassment? False Allegations? Sexual?
She seems pretty well rehearsed for this: what did Allred promise her?

Kini on November 7, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Didn’t Barack Obama have homosexual sex with Larry Sinclair? Why isn’t HOTAIR publicizing that?

MitchFlorida on November 7, 2011 at 7:56 PM

When Larry Sinclair goes on record about sexual wrongdoing form Barry , I’ll bet hot air publish it.

the_nile on November 7, 2011 at 8:01 PM

And again, we HAVE to find out how Gloria Allred got involved.

Pull on this thread, and it will lead you to whoever will try to destroy the NEXT GOP candidate!!!

cane_loader on November 7, 2011 at 8:01 PM

or else I see no reason for them to just take her words as fact.
Chudi on November 7, 2011 at 7:55 PM

The fact that she isn’t taking money for her story is pretty powerful. Did you see her press conference? It was believable.

Especially considering the NRA settled two claims against Cain that we know about.

He’s done, man. And Perry’s rock didn’t do it.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2011 at 8:02 PM

I don’t mind when you guys call me a moron and I certainly don’t mind when you correct me on facts, but I’m getting awfully tired of having my motives impugned. Go do it on another site.

Allahpundit on November 7, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Please tell me was banned, please, please?

sharrukin on November 7, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Cain is NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME. But this allegation is nothing compared to Bill Clinton’s sex in the Oval Office or having state troopers on MILF patrol for Clinton when he was Governor of Arkansas.

There is an obvious double standard here. Cain made an advance, was rebuffed, and backed down. Nothing more came of it.

Though it does make one wonder if that approach ever worked for him at some point.

crosspatch on November 7, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Allahpundit on November 7, 2011 at 8:00 PM

I love it when others are catching onto you. :)

promachus on November 7, 2011 at 8:02 PM

If he could have denied these allegations, he would have. He can’t, and he’s done. Over. Kaput. Fini.

IrishEi on November 7, 2011 at 7:58 PM

I know. There were only 2 of them present in that car (unless there was a driver, someone should see if he used one during that time period). It’s simply his word against hers. All he has to say is “I would never do those things and I did not do those things then.” Then her complaint could be chalked up to a disgruntled jobseeker who attempted to use her feminine wiles on him.

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 8:02 PM

So it seems Allapundit is taking all this hook, line, and stinker. Wow. This latest woman whether she put her name to it or no, is not credible. If you believe her story, I have bridge in NY to sell you.

The third woman said something vague about being harassed but never put in a complaint.

The second woman had a nuisance settlement and was given the opportunity to waive confidentiality and passed.

And the first woman we haven’t heard from.

All we have are Ms. Allred, the Politico, the GOP Establishment, those bloggers and media type that favor other candidates, and that lawyer who doesn’t listen to his client engaged in a furor for one purpose and one purpose only: to bring Cain down from the top tier.

Once Cain is safely in the single digits all of this won’t matter anymore. So spare me all this concern for the women who’s feelings were hurt and be honest about your motives. It’s to destroy Cain if need be to deny him the nomination.

milemarker2020 on November 7, 2011 at 8:03 PM

Even if you don’t back Cain, if you want to elect a GOP candidate, it’s crucial that we get to the bottom of Allred’s involvement, how these accusations were leaked, and how this woman really was put in front of the cameras.

cane_loader on November 7, 2011 at 8:03 PM

I don’t mind when you guys call me a moron and I certainly don’t mind when you correct me on facts, but I’m getting awfully tired of having my motives impugned. Go do it on another site.

Allahpundit on November 7, 2011 at 8:00 PM

I’ll second that. Ed and AP do a heck of a job trying to report objectively.

jazz_piano on November 7, 2011 at 8:04 PM

Well what rules do you expect to play by Champ?

JonPrichard on November 7, 2011 at 8:04 PM

Then her complaint could be chalked up to a disgruntled jobseeker who attempted to use her feminine wiles on him.

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 8:02 PM

If this were the case, he’d would’ve put that out in a press release. I decided not to act on Stifler’s mom’s request for a job (or whatever) because of xxxxxxxx.

Instead, he avoids it entirely. As Ace said, this is exactly how Weiner deflected his picture scandal (we are talking about this, when we should be talking about that). Guilt implied.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Yeah, a guy who is going to pop for an expensive suite and dinner and drinks is going to grope her in a car. That makes sense. And then, being the kind of barbarian to pull her face to his crotch, is just going to back off and say, “oops, so sorry, my bad,” and drive her home?

Riiiiiight.

John the Libertarian on November 7, 2011 at 8:05 PM

jazz_piano: Sorry, but I do not agree with that. However, I will agree that Ed and AP (and Tina) try to make any bias they have explicit in their reporting.

Scott H on November 7, 2011 at 8:06 PM

So it seems Allapundit is taking all this hook, line, and stinker. Wow. This latest woman whether she put her name to it or no, is not credible. If you believe her story, I have bridge in NY to sell you.

No, I’m not taking it hook, line, and sinker. But let me turn the question back on you: What would it take for you to say, “Hmmm, maybe there’s something to this”? What sort of evidence?

Allahpundit on November 7, 2011 at 8:06 PM

That’s right, Chudi. I’m a hack brimming with agendas. Always playing an angle — that’s me.

I don’t mind when you guys call me a moron and I certainly don’t mind when you correct me on facts, but I’m getting awfully tired of having my motives impugned. Go do it on another site.

Allahpundit on November 7, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Pssst. Allah. Over here, behind the plant. No, don’t look at me! Geez! Word to the wise: Chudi’s barkers. We all just let him speak his piece and leave him alone. That way no one gets hurt. Capice?

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Allahpundit on November 7, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Excellent Allah..Great post..:)

Dire Straits on November 7, 2011 at 8:06 PM

I was looking for an at least full statement of this charge is fully without merit. Not one piece of the statement was a denial of the charges? Was unable to deny having drinks or maybe the dinner or maybe taking her to the NRA offices, or even a denial of doing the physical things she stated he did? Not one single bit of it was denied, just the fat that he will not play the games the media want him to play.

astonerii on November 7, 2011 at 8:07 PM

I just saw Eric Ericcson and the lady from Big Govt. on CNN, and the essence of their opinion is that herman Cain probably did it. It is now way too easy to destroy people in this country for political gain. They don’t think about his family, his wife, his kids…no.

People are really disgusting. How did it become this easy to destroy somebody? Wow. I am sitting here absolutely in shock over how easy this whole thing is. A person who worked for 40 yrs, and then all of a sudden over a 1 yr period, he harassed 4 women. How is that possible?

It is now way too easy to destroy somebody. I am so pissed off about this, that I might probably say something that i will regret, so I will just leave it alone.

It should not be this easy to destroy somebody’s life.

Chudi on November 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM

That makes sense. And then, being the kind of barbarian to pull her face to his crotch, is just going to back off and say, “oops, so sorry, my bad,” and drive her home?

Riiiiiight.

John the Libertarian on November 7, 2011 at 8:05 PM

And if she was so offended or concerned, why not get out of the car and call a cab or hail down a cop?

Knucklehead on November 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM

When in trouble, trust in the magic formula to firm up support: Media-bashing + “outsider” authenticity (“I won’t play by the establishment’s rules”) + vagueness on the particulars.

on fire.

IR-MN on November 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM

lorien: Perhaps. However, I will also say that I cannot imagine anyone running for the GOP nomination in this cycle who had this kind of walking time bomb in their history.

Not after Palin’s treatment in 2008.

Scott H on November 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Yeah, a guy who is going to pop for an expensive suite and dinner and drinks is going to grope her in a car. That makes sense. And then, being the kind of barbarian to pull her face to his crotch, is just going to back off and say, “oops, so sorry, my bad,” and drive her home?

John the Libertarian on November 7, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Playfulness, second thoughts? Fact is, he’s had 2 settlements against him at the NRA. Now a face/name, too, from a 3rd person. Each (apparently) with similar stories.

Guys usually have one come on line. This is his, I guess.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2011 at 8:09 PM

If the story is true, then basically it’s Cain hitting on a woman about 14 years ago, and politely driving her back to her hotel after his advance was refused. Apparently I’ll never be President now because I’ve tried to have sex with the ladies on occasion too.. Sometimes they say no, and you need to smile and take them home.

Shocking I know, I think this is also how you make babies.

saus on November 7, 2011 at 8:09 PM

He’s done, man. And Perry’s rock didn’t do it.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Duuuuude. Low blow. Can’t you see my man Chudi’s hurting tonight?

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 8:09 PM

I don’t have all the facts and am not passing judgment as to Cain’s guilt. Nor do I assume this woman is lying. If it were this easy to destroy a candidate, they would have tried it against, say, George W. Bush.

Stating an accusation like this on camera in front of the world is an awfully risky thing to do if it’s nothing more than a politically or financially motivated lie. That’s why we don’t see this often.

jazz_piano on November 7, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Allahpundit on November 7, 2011 at 8:00 PM

lighten up, its not like anyone takes chudi serious about anything!! let the troll troll and sit back and chuckle w/ the rest of us.

chasdal on November 7, 2011 at 8:10 PM

A person who worked for 40 yrs, and then all of a sudden over a 1 yr period, he harassed 4 women. How is that possible?

Midlife crisis? He’s 60 now? That would’ve been 45 or so. Totally plausible.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Maybe Bialek isn’t taking money, perhaps there’s something else there like a job in the future or some position as an “adviser” or something. She’s got something in the pipeline.

Bishop on November 7, 2011 at 8:10 PM

That makes sense. And then, being the kind of barbarian to pull her face to his crotch, is just going to back off and say, “oops, so sorry, my bad,” and drive her home?

Riiiiiight.

John the Libertarian on November 7, 2011 at 8:05 PM

So the fact that he didn’t rape her means he must be totally innocent?

Really?

sharrukin on November 7, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Oh, and according to John Nolte of Big Hollywood, it turns out Bialek is indeed a registered Republican and that she did in fact attend “Teacon” in Chicago last month, as she claimed. Stay tuned.

OMG really? She really went to Teacon? / sheesh

Why would anyone think that she would lie about the easily verifiable? Seriously??? Really this is annoying. Smart liars lie about the things that cannot be easily verifiable. At least the smart ones do. Ask Bill Clinton. That was true till the blue dress.

CW on November 7, 2011 at 8:10 PM

That makes sense. And then, being the kind of barbarian to pull her face to his crotch, is just going to back off and say, “oops, so sorry, my bad,” and drive her home?

Riiiiiight.

John the Libertarian on November 7, 2011 at 8:05 PM

And if she was so offended or concerned, why not get out of the car and call a cab or hail down a cop?

Knucklehead on November 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM

“Don’t you know I have a boyfriend?”?

davidk on November 7, 2011 at 8:10 PM

If it were this easy to destroy a candidate, they would have tried it against, say, George W. Bush.

If Cain didn’t have 2 claims against him at the NRA and this chick comes forward. It’s nothing. But he does, so it’s something.

And they did this with Bush (national guard thing? cocaine thing just before the 2000 election, remember?)

lorien1973 on November 7, 2011 at 8:11 PM

What would it take for you to say, “Hmmm, maybe there’s something to this”? What sort of evidence?

Allahpundit on November 7, 2011 at 8:06 PM

I can answer that one.

The results of the NRA’s internal investigation averring that the harassment complaints were meritorious or were substantiated.

Hotel records corroborating that this woman did indeed get an upgraded suite.

For that matter, anybody – anybody – placing this woman and Cain in the same place at that time.

Anything more than he-said, she-said. People lie. Records don’t lie. Internal audits don’t lie. Unbiased witnesses do not lie.

KingGold on November 7, 2011 at 8:11 PM

So the fact that he didn’t rape her means he must be totally innocent?

Really?

sharrukin on November 7, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Your synapse is broken.

CW on November 7, 2011 at 8:12 PM

The fact that she isn’t taking money for her story is pretty powerful. Did you see her press conference? It was believable.

If Clinton can parse the word “is”, there’s a way to get around this. She didn’t take money today

Don’t they pay you to be on morning shows? And for book deals? Oh, she’ll be taking money if she hasn’t already.

parteagirl on November 7, 2011 at 8:12 PM

He didn’t blame Perry.
Color me stunned.
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annoyinglittletwerp on November 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM

That’s not fair as it denied Perry another chance to blame Romney.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 7, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Why was she fired? Harassment? False Allegations? Sexual?
She seems pretty well rehearsed for this: what did Allred promise her?

Kini on November 7, 2011 at 8:01 PM

One commenter at Ace says this babe is a known nut job and has a history of being a troublemaker. He offered no links, but that is entirely possible. I’ll reserve judgment on these accusations until I learn more–about Cain and about her past.

predator on November 7, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Can I make a small point?

Were it not for Dan Rather and the phony TANG documents, were it not for the Jayson Blair stories in the NYT, were it not for the JournoList scandal, were it not for the “McCain cheated on his wife” story in 2008, were it not for the cover up of the AGW “hide the decline” scandal, were it not for MSNBC cropping out the race of the black Tea Partier packing an AR-15, were it not for blaming Sarah Palin for the sh0oting of a Congresswoman, were it not for the Media completely ignoring the ongoing rapes and assaults plaguing OWS, were it not for all of these, and hundreds others, it would be much easier to get a handle on whether or not any of this is true in regards to Cain. The Press has lied for so so so many years, and the juxtaposition of their coverage of the Bush Presidency and the Obama Presidency is shocking. If the SDM is having a hard time understanding why support for Cain is still high, even after the allegations, it is because the Media have been documented to lie, hide, obfuscate, and cover up to benefit the democrat party. So where do we go with this? How do you get to the truth?

Weight of Glory on November 7, 2011 at 8:12 PM

I’m thinking … yeah, story.

I’m thinking “Anita Hill”.

ALLAHPUNDIT: I may have heard that you did something really vile and disgusting about 15 years ago: I’m not going to say what it was in order to protect the victim. What is your side of this story????

/what’s_good_for_the_gander>

landlines on November 7, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Stick a fork in Herman Cain… He’s done.

Anyone who still supports this guy out of some notion that this is just a liberal media conspiracy against him, that he’s being smeared because other Republicans want to get him out of their way, that these are just women looking to cash in on his demise… Well, I’m sure some will try to rationalize their continued support. I kind of expect it, but come on folks!

He NEVER was going to be the nominee. He’s too inexperienced, and too gaffe prone, and to populist to be anything other than a 15 minute phenomenon.

I thought I could grow to like the guy (I enjoy his refreshing mannerisms and populist message), but he’s obviously in over his head.

SauerKraut537 on November 7, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Even if you don’t back Cain, if you want to elect a GOP candidate, it’s crucial that we get to the bottom of Allred’s involvement, how these accusations were leaked, and how this woman really was put in front of the cameras.

cane_loader on November 7, 2011 at 8:03 PM

Good point. What kind of Republican would seek out Gloria Allred to represent them?

IrishEi on November 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

lorien: Perhaps. However, I will also say that I cannot imagine anyone running for the GOP nomination in this cycle who had this kind of walking time bomb in their history.

Not after Palin’s treatment in 2008.

Scott H on November 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Follow me around. I don’t care. I’m serious. If anybody wants to put a tail on me, go ahead. They’ll be very bored.” -Gary Hart

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Hart

sharrukin on November 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

What would it take for you to say, “Hmmm, maybe there’s something to this”? What sort of evidence?

Allahpundit on November 7, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Two words: Larry Sinclair.

Jim Treacher on November 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Really?

sharrukin on November 7, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Her story stinks to high heaven. A man in that position of power and is springing for those kinds of perks would ask to go back to her room, not grope her in the car like a 17-year-old.

Wise up.

John the Libertarian on November 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Let me try to think about this fresh. This woman NOT employed by Cain. They had dinners and drinks, and so this is NOT an official hiring situation. This was consensual networking.

How exactly is this sexual harassment, if he’s not giving her a job interview, and if she isn’t his employee?

Take all that away, and this doesn’t amount to date-rape.

This sounds like to me a man who made a move, was rebuffed, and went on with his life for 14 years, as did the woman.

Isn’t this just another chapter in “Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus?”

I’m asking this seriously.

I don’t get how this is sexual harassment, And if not, what crime did Herman Cain commit, and is his candidacy to be snuffed out over it?

cane_loader on November 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

lighten up, its not like anyone takes chudi serious about anything!! let the troll troll and sit back and chuckle w/ the rest of us.

chasdal on November 7, 2011 at 8:10 PM

I am happy you can chuckle about watching a man have his life destroyed by the media and the GOP establishment with no proof.

Chudi on November 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

It is now way too easy to destroy somebody. I am so pissed off about this, that I might probably say something that i will regret, so I will just leave it alone.

It should not be this easy to destroy somebody’s life.

Chudi on November 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Cheer up, Chudster, if he’s innocent, the truth will come out, it always does. Remember Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the head of the IMF? Things looked pretty bad for him for a while there and now he’s back in France, happily engaged in what he knows best.

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 8:14 PM

To me the issue isn’t so much is she telling the truth or not.

Even if she is, SO WHAT? He didn’t rape her. He didn’t force her to give him a BEEJ. He asked, she said no, he said OK and went away.

If this were a Democrat with the exact same circumstances the MSM wouldn’t even mention it.

angryed on November 7, 2011 at 8:14 PM

and i see it happening again on this thread. you cainiacs need to stop distorting the truth. or maybe because cain has been deceptive during this y’all are following his lead??

here goes, this was not just a case of a man making a pass, getting rejected and moving on. this was a man making a pass, getting rejected and then reminding the girl he had the power to give her a job if she put out. and on top of it all he is a married man. stop trying to make it sound like a simple little friday nite at a bar somewhere, if this is true he’s scum.

chasdal on November 7, 2011 at 8:14 PM

Wait until the press starts waving Romney’s Mormon underwear. What will a hack brimming with agendas do then?

RedRedRice on November 7, 2011 at 8:14 PM

Chudi on November 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

im chuckling at your unhinged rantings,

chasdal on November 7, 2011 at 8:15 PM

It should not be this easy to destroy somebody.

Chudi on November 7, 2011 at 8:16 PM

A man in that position of power and is springing for those kinds of perks would ask to go back to her room, not grope her in the car like a 17-year-old.

John the Libertarian on November 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

I didn’t realize there was a how-to manual issued on the subject.

Maybe Cain didn’t read it?

sharrukin on November 7, 2011 at 8:17 PM

. Remember Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the head of the IMF?

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 8:14 PM

Wow I don’t know if that is the best example. At what cost can someone be accused without hard independent proof?

CW on November 7, 2011 at 8:17 PM

lorien: Perhaps. However, I will also say that I cannot imagine anyone running for the GOP nomination in this cycle who had this kind of walking time bomb in their history.

Scott H on November 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Thus, we have an explanation as to why Cain really hasn’t put together any sort of campaign in the early states. He was using the campaign to sell books, get his name out there, etc. And wasn’t expecting to get to the top and this sort of scrutiny.

Possible.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2011 at 8:17 PM

I just saw Eric Ericcson and the lady from Big Govt. on CNN, and the essence of their opinion is that herman Cain probably did it.

Chudi on November 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Opinions are a dime a dozen and those couched in ‘probably’ go for half that price.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 7, 2011 at 8:18 PM

Playfulness, second thoughts?

lorien1973 on November 7, 2011 at 8:09 PM

C’mon lorien! Even you haven’t been that “playful”. It just doesn’t add up.

Cain will sink on his weak grasp of issues and his consumption tax. Don’t let Allred shape the national agenda like she shaped California’s.

John the Libertarian on November 7, 2011 at 8:18 PM

This is the difference between us and them:

US: Politico says boo, we cower under our beds:

Them: They fight like hell to protect their own. And even when it seems like there’s something there, they do everything they can to protect him.

This is why socialism always wins the big battles.

angryed on November 7, 2011 at 8:19 PM

sharrukin: Couple of differences, after skimming the link.

First, the guy is a Democrat. I hope you’re not trying to say that the two parties are treated equally in this (or any other) arena.

Second, that was before 2008. Palin’s treatment, combined with the media’s ‘treatment’ of Obama’s disastrous administration, should have made every possible GOP candidate realize what they were in for before they threw their hat in the ring. I would imagine it was the tipping point for at least one GOP hopeful to choose against entering the ring.

I’m generally with Weight of Glory here. The media is so clearly against any conservative winning office that it’s hard to believe any story they push.

Scott H on November 7, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Didn’t Barack Obama have homosexual sex with Larry Sinclair? Why isn’t HOTAIR publicizing that?

MitchFlorida on November 7, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Because the left gets to set the stage and direct the play. They get to cast the villains and the heroes.

tinkerthinker on November 7, 2011 at 8:20 PM

Cain’s statement sure doesn’t sound like it was written after Bialek came forward. Several times he disputes the value of “anonymous” accusers.

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 7:56 PM

He’s winging it, to see how far he can go.

the_nile on November 7, 2011 at 7:58 PM

If by ‘winging it’ you mean trying to ignore the Bialek accusations, I’d tend to agree with you.

cynccook on November 7, 2011 at 7:59 PM

This was taken from Herman’s website under his weekly commentary and it was written yesterday before any of this came out. It was all about last weeks media coverage.

RobertJ

bounceback on November 7, 2011 at 8:20 PM

If the story is true, then basically it’s Cain hitting on a woman about 14 years ago, and politely driving her back to her hotel after his advance was refused. Apparently I’ll never be President now because I’ve tried to have sex with the ladies on occasion too.. Sometimes they say no, and you need to smile and take them home.

Shocking I know, I think this is also how you make babies.

saus on November 7, 2011 at 8:09 PM

Did you use your position of being able to get them a job to coerce them into submitting to your advances? This is not about hitting on a woman and being rebuffed, if true, it is a far cry from that. It is an abuse of power.

Right now Cain has precisely three strikes coming from this in my book of markers.
1) He did not keep enough distance between him and women. He has a significant weakness, and that is that he refuses to keep himself in places where these sorts of events could never happen and thus could never be charged with them. Somewhat a minor point, but I think the president should conduct himself to the point of being above reproach. Can Cain do that for 4 to 8 years if he could not do it before? I doubt it.
2) His first instinct was to lie about the story. A flat out total denial of it having any basis in fact. It does seem to have basis in fact and he knew it did. That is a lie.
3) With this specific non rebuttal, he has left the door wide open for this accusation to be true, but is trying to use Conservatives as if they are progressives. Conservatives do not allow their leaders to have baggage without penalty. This one is going to be huge. Unless he can convincingly deny this charge, his chance earning my conservative moral vote is absolute 0.

astonerii on November 7, 2011 at 8:21 PM

Most telling sign of a narcissist: he thinks he can bluff his way out of every misdemeanor. Like Clinton, like Wiener, like O’Bozo, Cain thinks he can call down righteous anger and bluster his way out of these harsh accusations.

He can’t. He looks like a fool for trying.

Jaibones on November 7, 2011 at 8:21 PM

A man in that position of power and is springing for those kinds of perks would ask to go back to her room, not grope her in the car like a 17-year-old.

John the Libertarian on November 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Men with power and or money sometimes simply do act like animals and idiots. Look at guys like Ben Roethlesberger . You would think the guy would simply bring the party to a hotel room but he didn’t.

CW on November 7, 2011 at 8:21 PM

here goes, this was not just a case of a man making a pass, getting rejected and moving on. this was a man making a pass, getting rejected and then reminding the girl he had the power to give her a job if she put out. and on top of it all he is a married man. stop trying to make it sound like a simple little friday nite at a bar somewhere, if this is true he’s scum.

chasdal on November 7, 2011 at 8:14 PM

You start out claiming it’s true and end up saying if it’s true. No degree in Law 101 for you.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 7, 2011 at 8:21 PM

C’mon lorien! Even you haven’t been that “playful”. It just doesn’t add up.

I dunno, man. I’m just thinking that 2 settlements at the NRA and now this chick. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. And there’s a four alarmer here.

If you’re gonna get rebuffed for a hummer, make sure it’s by your wife. That’s a good rule I like to live by. ;) … Actually :~(

lorien1973 on November 7, 2011 at 8:22 PM

It should not be this easy to destroy somebody.

Chudi on November 7, 2011 at 8:16 PM

I agree with you completely. The involvement of Gloria Allred raises every red flag I have.

Who orchestrated this? This is pure orchestration. Whoever is behind this has mapped out 10 moves, and going forward with the character assassination. And they have this ready for every remaining GOP candidate.

We’d better wake up, folks. The throwing of the 2012 election starts now. I wonder what it was they had on Pawlenty, after he laid all that groundwork?

“First they came for Herman… then they came for (?)….”

cane_loader on November 7, 2011 at 8:22 PM

“Hmmm, maybe there’s something to this”? What sort of evidence?

Allahpundit on November 7, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Something besides Gloria Allred trotting out some broad saying she got assaulted 14 years ago would be a good start…

She says Bialek won’t accept money for this story and…

..and if you believe that you’re an idiot…

more noteworthy, claims that she has sworn affidavits from two people who say Bialek told them about the alleged incident with Cain around the time that it happened in 1997. She won’t reveal their names — yet — but she did supposedly read the affidavits to reporters after today’s presser.

Sworn to who??? Why didn’t they charge him 14 years ago????

BigWyo on November 7, 2011 at 8:23 PM

If the story is true, then basically it’s Cain hitting on a woman about 14 years ago, and politely driving her back to her hotel after his advance was refused. Apparently I’ll never be President now because I’ve tried to have sex with the ladies on occasion too.. Sometimes they say no, and you need to smile and take them home.

saus on November 7, 2011 at 8:09 PM

From the settlements and what this lady says, it was perhaps a little more than “hitting on a woman”

Agree?

lorien1973 on November 7, 2011 at 8:23 PM

but of course so have Romney and Perry and no one’s accused them of harassment, let alone four people.

Well, not yet…
parteagirl on November 7, 2011 at 7:55 PM

Well, Romney’s a big target but people just aren’t going to take him as a sex scandal type guy, lol. Perry is irrelevant in the race, but if he were relevant the gay rumors about him would certainly overwhelmingly trump anything we’ve seen so far. Newt’s already got his baggage.

whatcat on November 7, 2011 at 8:23 PM

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