Lawyer for Cain’s accuser: On second thought, she’d rather not relive this publicly
posted at 4:57 pm on November 4, 2011 by Allahpundit
No video yet, but it sure sounds like that’s the end of that. For now.
Who knew the big finale would end Sopranos-style?
Bennett said his client sees “no value” in revisiting the issue now, but “stands by the complaint that she made.”
Bennett said his client would disagree with Cain’s characterization of the alleged harassment incidents.
He confirmed that the alleged harassment occurred in 1999 over a period of “at least a month or two.” There was “more than one incident,” he said.
And here’s the key part of the statement from the NRA:
“Based upon the information currently available, we can confirm that more than a decade ago, in July 1999, Mr. Bennett’s client filed a formal internal complaint, in accordance with the Association’s existing policies prohibiting discrimination and harassment. Mr. Herman Cain disputed the allegations in the complaint. The Association and Mr. Bennett’s client subsequently entered into an agreement to resolve the matter, without any admission of liability. Mr. Cain was not a party to that agreement. The agreement contains mutual confidentiality obligations. Notwithstanding the Association’s ongoing policy of maintaining the privacy of all personnel matters, we have advised Mr. Bennett that we are willing to waive the confidentiality of this matter and permit Mr. Bennett’s client to comment. As indicated in Mr. Bennett’s statement, his client prefers not to be further involved with this matter and we will respect her decision.
Does that waiver apply only to today’s statement or is it a general waiver that would allow her to speak if she changes her mind down the road? Because if he’s the nominee, the left will be keenly interested in hearing from her, especially now that the promise of multiple incidents has been dangled in front of them. And the worse the economy looks, the keener that interest will be. There is, or was, potential for this to hurt him among GOP primary voters too, but unless something more specific than gossip like this drops, that potential’s gone now. WaPo’s new poll, conducted after the Politico story broke, finds him still neck and neck with Romney, with 70 percent saying the allegations won’t matter to their vote. There’s room for that to change — 37 percent of Republicans polled called the charges a “serious matter” — but it’s 4:45 p.m. ET on Friday as I write this and, after a full week of accusations, we still have yet to hear a single credible detailed account of what happened between him and the accusers. Hard to believe anyone’s vote is changing based on that.
Here’s CBS’s report on the settlement agreement that was signed between the NRA and one of the accusers in September 1999 (yes, 9/99). Cain himself didn’t sign, and had actually left the NRA in June of that year; it’s unclear if the woman filed the complaint before or after he departed. CBS points to that as evidence that Cain really might not have known about the settlement, as he first asserted earlier this week. Could be, but he did find out about the underlying accusations at some point: Remember, he told Richard Miniter that he mentioned them to Curt Anderson back in 2003 when he was a Senate candidate. Ah well. Maybe the timeline will be clarified in one of Politico’s next 90 stories about this.
Update: Jim Geraghty summarizes the argument from the accuser’s lawyer thusly: “I won’t say what he did, but trust me, he’s guilty of wrongdoing.”
Update: Interesting question from Nate Silver. Cain’s numbers probably won’t shrink because of this, but will the way the campaign handled things create a ceiling on his support?
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I wish your candidate had a record for me to nitpick. But just like Obama, Herman is a blank slate for the stupid to project their most wildest political fantasies. Good luck with that, sport. :-)
Newt picking an (R) that could win her race and sitting on the couch with Pelosi for an ad pales in comparison to Herman’s ignorance. I think Herman would be hard-pressed to name the current PM of the UK if asked in an interview. That man is simply out of his depth and would be a disaster if he got the nod (which he won’t, BTW, since he is merely a Romney stalking horse.)
I can settle for either Newt or Perry. Record and experience in government counts.
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 2:01 AM
You said HE had a commercial. That was factually untrue.
And, as for Holder, I believe he has blood on his hands, Bessie.
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 2:02 AM
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 1:53 AM
You’re not reading too well. I just said that Cain has to answer for his accusations against Perry. But there have been no allegations made against Cain. Only descriptions of allegations by an anonymous witness who will not spill them, even anonymously, after being given permission by the NRA.
It’s unfair for you to “86″ the man without hearing the allegations. Fundamentally unfair.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:03 AM
Do you think that your question makes sense? Or that it is witty? I hope so; I hope someone enjoyed it because it was painful for me to read.
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:03 AM
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 1:47 AM
Do you have a link that the payments were indeed, “severence”? Cain said it was “severence”, but the lawyer Bennett said it was not and that the payment was based solely on the complaint (I don’t take him by his word either). I’ve looked it up, but can’t find anything except the Cain quote. There were two payments, were they both “severence”? It doesn’t matter, though, since Politico reported that there were payments, and indeed, there were.
Aslans Girl on November 5, 2011 at 2:05 AM
Absolutely not true. If there is a settlement, it is documented. Just because we don’t know what the allegations are, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist and that they are not documented.
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:05 AM
Aslans Girl, you really think race has nothing to do with it in spite of the long history the left has of calling Conservative blacks Oreos, Uncle Toms, and “house n*ggers”?
You and Besser (whose claims I just shredded) are FOS and it shows.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:07 AM
Well, Champ, let me see here. I listed Newt as a possible candidate earlier, he has done well in the debates, unlike Perry. I also listed what I didn’t LIKE about Newt. But, his glory days are far behind. Cain is a newcomer, yes, but he has business experience. He has made payroll, he knows that you cannot spend more than you take in. He hasn’t been fermenting in the DC cesspool. He has new ideas, not rehashed ideas from yesteryear.
And, the Romney stalking horse..you guys should just get a rubber stamp for that one.
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 2:08 AM
All eyes are on Perry as matching the fingerprints on the knife in Cain’s back. I expect, since Perry avoids tough interviews, more info will be forthcoming in drips & drops, Watergate-style on what his role was in this or that his role will likely come up in the next debate, if Perry shows up for it.
whatcat on November 5, 2011 at 2:08 AM
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 1:38 AM
To add to your list: Newt praised ethonal tonight at the IA Reagan dinner. Although, I read that in a Poltico report, so I don’t know if you’ll believe that ;) But the vid’s up at therightscoop.com
Aslans Girl on November 5, 2011 at 2:09 AM
To put a finer point on it, no revealed allegations. Until they are revealed, as I said, people have to dial this back. A woman does not have the right to destroy Cain from the cloak of anonymity while also refusing to even reveal, anonymously, what he did.
I’m telling you, this line of attack I’m seeing here againt Cain is Alice in Wonderland meets 1984.
It’s unethical. The woman has to put up or shut up. And if she shuts u,p then this is dead.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:09 AM
While I agree generally with the sentiment, I don’t think that people are stupid for supporting Cain. I think that they are desperate to find the one good candidate out there and the rest have more obvious flaws. Because they, and I, believe that we are at or close to a crossroads/turning point in this country and we need somebody. (Which is why I can’t support Romney – I think that he and Obama will take the same road once they hit the junction.)
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:09 AM
And you think the left ISN’T racist? You think they are supporting this for some reason other than he doesn’t know his place in their eyes? Do you not understand Politco is a leftist site? I’m betting you don’t care because you just don’t like Cain and want any excuse to justify your dislike of him.
Look, the accusations and the story are crumbling before our eyes. Guess he was right about it being a “lynching”.
I see. You HAVE NO proof. Maybe Perry’s camp is innocent, maybe not. You pronounce them innocent without proof. I say it could be either way.
Actually, that is not why he threatened to sue, but you know that. They said he was guilty of sexual harrassment and couldn’t back it up. So you think he should have no right to sue? Funny you complain about him not respecting the rights of others while trying to deny him his.
In one case he didn’t sign the complaint so he may not have known about it or what it entailed. Also as the complaints were 12 years ago. You are insisting it isn’t possible he didn’t remember. Now who is declaring guilt without evidence?
The fact you have to deliberately lie to attack him is pathetic and tells us you are just another mindless Cain hater.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:13 AM
What tools are you talking about? His 9-9-9 slogan, or the aid of Rich Lowrie, B.A. Accounting, and Mark Block? Oh, no, let me guess: You are going to mention his degree in math, aren’t you?
OK.
You just want to call everyone who doesn’t worship at the altar of stupid a “racist”. Nice job!
Ike played golf all of the time. We have that in the WH already, thanks.
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 2:13 AM
The NRA needs to give this woman a time limit – say one week – to put up or shut up, otherwise they should reinstate the non-disclosure agreement. If she talks later, then Cain should ruin her in court.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:13 AM
No punchenko you racist troll, just folks like you.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:14 AM
Yes, because Politico always gets the story correct. I’ll remind you of this when your own candidate is in their crosshairs. Wait, they probably will go after Newt next because Perry is still in the single digits, below Ron Paul.
Payments, severance, you said SETTLEMENT. I corrected you. I would believe Cain or anyone over a sleazy ambulance chasing EEOC lawyer.
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 2:14 AM
I agree. But I think that Cain blew his chance to put this to bed himself. If true, he should have unequivocally said that the allegations were baseless and unfounded and that they were settled because it would have cost more money for the NRA to go to court than to settle – and then launched into a tort reform diatribe.
If he didn’t know all of the facts (who, what, when?), he should have gotten them from the NRA or whoever had them – and/or demanded their release. I’d rather have the facts now than in the general. This type of stuff doesn’t stay hidden once you are in a campaign against a Democrat; it only stays hidden when you are a Democrat (like Obama’s transcripts – how do we already have Perry’s, but not Obama’s?).
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:14 AM
Then you get the most experienced and most qualified to do the job. Government is the problem and it takes an understanding of government to fix the problem. Neither you nor I would go to a dentist for heart surgery, right?
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 2:15 AM
Totally witty and great sense – it’s the one question that instills the fear-O-God in every rabid Perry supporter who’s in a destroy-Cain mid-lynch frenzy mode. Besides you asked if Perry benefited from joining in the lunacy. You can answer; Did he?
whatcat on November 5, 2011 at 2:16 AM
You should go be a press secretary. You’re good at parrying. I think you’re throwing a lot of underhanded arguing techniques in there, but you do it well.
I think you’re a pro, and you likely work for a political campaign
:-)
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:17 AM
Whatcat, it’s amusing that someone like besser who ASSUMES all kinds of thing about Cain gets upset when someone even does so jokingly about Perry.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:18 AM
+100
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:19 AM
Politico has more proof of sexual harassment against Cain than Cain has that Perry leaked or even had the information. Yet Politico is scum of the Earth (I agree), and Cain is beyond reproach. How does that work?
And when did I say that Perry was innocent? I said that Cain made baseless allegations. If he has a basis for the allegations, he should provide them, shouldn’t he? That’s what you’re saying about the sexual harassment alleger.
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:19 AM
Look, I’m not voting for Cain and calling me “racist” because I think Herb isn’t ready for prime time isn’t going to change my mind. He hasn’t convinced me he has the smarts to lead us out of decline.
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 2:20 AM
Sure, he was just trying to get out of the way of Cain’s flailing. I think it helped a little – I heard people talk about Romney’s connect to the folks at NRA after that …
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:20 AM
You do not know if the allegations are baseless.
Just because they have not been provided to you does NOT, repeat NOT mean they are “baseless.”
Language is important.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:23 AM
Nope.
Merely disagreeing with Cain would be one thing. But you are clearly applying a standard to him that you won’t apply to any other candidate, and in particular that you won’t apply to any other white person.
northdallasthirty on November 5, 2011 at 2:23 AM
No, I’m just a concerned American like you who wants the best for our country, Obama in retirement, and Romney sent back to Boston. :-)
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 2:24 AM
That’s funny because I distinctly remember, at the height of Perry’s popularity, after he’d first announced his candidacy, watching you spam thread after thread with your “Perry is an apologist for Islam” drivel. Now, all of a sudden you can settle for Perry? Something stinks here.
JannyMae on November 5, 2011 at 2:26 AM
Yup and for all the faux pearl clutching of “OMG! Dirt will come out in the general!OMG!!” – but they really think gay rumors would be ignored? A gay scandal is the trump card smear in politics and all the liberal media needs is one anonymous claim that Perry flirted with some guy. We’ve certainly seen the anons crawl out of the walls on this one.
whatcat on November 5, 2011 at 2:26 AM
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:26 AM
That is true. Also, I like someone with a track record that I can look at to get some sense of how they will handle things. That’s why I had Gingrich and Perry in my top tier, but I would have been okay with Cain. After Cain’s disastrous handling of this harassment issue, I’m really concerned about how he would handle the job. Also, I’m a bit concerned about how he always talks about using experts – are these “experts” DC insiders who will give us more of the same, or the incompetent boobs running his campaign? Or… dare I hope, someone else? If so, who?
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:27 AM
Isn’t it funny how Punchenko repeats the same slogans his Barack Obama used to explain why it was more important to have government experience than private-sector experience?
northdallasthirty on November 5, 2011 at 2:27 AM
It isn’t possible that Perry’s camp got the ball rolling by turning Politico on to even one allegation and things went from there?
There is not proof that Cains allegations against Perry are baseless or for that matter, justifed. Personally, I would like to see what proof he has against Perry myself.
I will say again, I do believe the left went after him because he’s a black Conservative. We have seen how they protect black dems no matter how overtly corrupt and or loony they are while they attach all kind of racist slurs to black who don’t tow the liberal line.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:28 AM
Actually I never once used the word “settlements”. I used “payments”, “payouts”, and “paid”. I was asking for a link because “severence” (a word you did use) has been disputed today and I couldn’t find any info and thought maybe since you were using that word, you had a link. But I take it you don’t. Anyway, Allah used “settlements” and so did CBS news (up top), I haven’t seen any Cain defender claim that that word is wrong, but you seem to think so?
Aslans Girl on November 5, 2011 at 2:29 AM
That’s right. I do remember that now! I was looking at his name and thinking, don’t I remember him hating Perry? And thought I must have been mistaken.
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:29 AM
That’s funny because I distinctly remember, at the height of Perry’s popularity, after he’d first announced his candidacy, watching you spam thread after thread with your “Perry is an apologist for Islam” drivel. Now, all of a sudden you can settle for Perry? Something stinks here.
JannyMae
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:30 AM
The downside to any accusation regarding Perry (and I have heard the whispers from early on) is they effect it would have on the social right-wing vote. I personally don’t care if Perry and Elton John take a vacation every year, as long as Perry did his job. But he would lose votes over even an accusation.
Let’s hope nothing ugly like this comes up.
But – being as 0bamA+ is up for re-election, I have no expectation that this election will get any cleaner.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:31 AM
I second your sentiments.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:33 AM
Could be schizophrenic.
whatcat on November 5, 2011 at 2:33 AM
Who are you now, Jesse Jackson? I knocked Michele Bachmann pretty hard when she was on top. I also think Perry is a lousy debater but does make up for it in his interviews. Cain does neither as he is bad in both debates and interviews (there is plenty of video to back this up, BTW.)
North, you can keep accusing me of “racism” if that makes you feel better about yourself. I don’t see how that makes Cain look good accusing those who disagree with him or his qualifications as “racist”. Actually, I don’t think it makes Cain — or his supporters, for that matter — look good at all. Lord knows I don’t want a conservative version of “Attack Watch” where jackbooted thugs like yourself report Republicans who criticize Cain and have them denounced as “racist”. No, I don’t want another four years of Chicago-style shame politics, North.
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 2:34 AM
I agree, but I really don’t like Republicans ever playing the race card. It seems to legitimize its use. And, I could be wrong, but I took the ad as a veiled shot at his competitors (especially Perry) and Republicans who don’t support him. I guess I’m just so used to seeing such things from the left aimed at me, that I’m instantly defensive when I see them. I also didn’t like it when Cain said that Perry was “insensitive” about race (implying that Perry is racist?). Way too much talk about race from a Republican candidate for my liking.
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:34 AM
I would second that second if we add in the requirement that Perry shows his proof against Romney.
whatcat on November 5, 2011 at 2:36 AM
The definition of is, is. I went with what Cain said on the matter, that it was a severance of her yearly pay. I do not have a link because, frankly, there’s nothing to link….just a story from Politico, what Herman Cain remembers from twelve years ago, even though he wasn’t party to any of the ‘complaint and subsequent payout?”. The EEOC lawyer is barking out innuendo and his client has decided to clam up…I have to think she’s looking for more money, possibly, but that is just because these things usually come to pass that way, but she just might now want to have her cavities probed like Herman Cain is having done to him right now.
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 2:36 AM
Something I saw a blurb on elsewhere, a witness to the “harassment incident” said there was no harassment. Having seen someone completely innocent get accused and punished for “sexual harassment” off the mere accusation, it’s looking like Cain is innocent.
Could he have handled things better? Absolutely. Was it bad enough to disqualify him? Not to me. Then again, there really isn’t anyone else with better credentials AFAIC.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:36 AM
Block himself said that their “evidence” was based on Curt Anderson being hired by Perry and that Cain had personally told Anderson of this in ’04 (funny Cain said he couldn’t remember this the other day, huh?). When Anderson said it was not him (and that Cain never told him anything) and that he gave the press permission to print everything he ever told them, Block admitted that he accepted what Anderson had to say, iow, since the Cain camp said their evidence was based on Anderson and they accepted Anderson’s denial, Cain no longer has any of the “evidence” he claimed.
Aslans Girl on November 5, 2011 at 2:36 AM
Hardly. You have me confused with someone else. If I complained about Perry on anything it was his stint with Gore and immigration.
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 2:37 AM
That would be fair. Heh.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:38 AM
Perry has had years and years and more years of political experience, and he’s reached as high as he will get as far as debating and interviews.
Cain, however has room to grow. That’s what the primaries are for. Agreed, he needs to up his game. Maybe he can – maybe he can’t. We will see. That’s why I’m not writing Cain off this early.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:38 AM
Why would he argue that? He had neither.
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:38 AM
Two people have you confused? I don’t think so. Busted ya racist liberal troll.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:38 AM
Even if that were so, does Perry have any longer have his “evidence” against Romney? Or is he doubling down on it?
whatcat on November 5, 2011 at 2:39 AM
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 2:36 AM
You’re the one who wanted to get into the correct words to use and now you want to shrug it off as “is is”, lol. At any rate, Cain said that it was “severence” of “two or three months”. Well, it was not “two or three months”, it was a full year. So already half of Cain’s statement is not true, why should I believe the “severence” part is? Because he says so?
Aslans Girl on November 5, 2011 at 2:39 AM
Speaking of drivel: Didn’t Pam Geller throw her endorsement behind Cain? He was the real bigot who didn’t want any Muslims in his administration… until he walked that back, too, of course.
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 2:40 AM
Disagreeing is one thing. Irrational bigotry such as you display is quite another, and you’re making it quite clear that it’s based on Cain’s skin color.
I’ve demonstrated that I am capable of criticizing Cain and Perry. You’ve only demonstrated an insane and irrational hatred of Cain. That makes you at the least a bigot, and based on your statements, I would say it is based on racism.
northdallasthirty on November 5, 2011 at 2:40 AM
Again, he wasn’t party to the agreement, was he? No. I was making a funny about is, is, but you Perrycultists are all business to derail and attack anybody other than your boy.
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 2:42 AM
Well, Cain directly accused the Perry camp. Perry did not directly accuse Romney. His camp said that Andersen was a Romney donor, etc., so it’s not the same level of accusation.
Unfortunately for Cain, I think the one hole he’s dug, that he’s going to have to answer for, is the Perry accusation.
This thing ain’t over.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:42 AM
The wounded bear (Cain) was flailing around wildly in anger and pain and was heading for Perry. Perry simply attempted to shove Romney between himself and the irrational bear.
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:42 AM
Yup, have them both lay their blame cards on the table. Goose-gander.
whatcat on November 5, 2011 at 2:42 AM
Is that racist?
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:43 AM
No, JannyMae tried to accuse me of posting comments about Perry that I have never posted. This was her sorry attempt to discredit me by shamelessly lying. It’s kind of like your shameless lying minus the “you’re a racist” charge.
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 2:44 AM
Cain has to answer for his accusation. That much is clear.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:44 AM
I think he does fine in interviews and from what I understand, he never really does debates, so I don’t think that I agree with you.
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:46 AM
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 2:42 AM
You corrected me in seriousness and now I’m being accused of being all business? Okaaaay.
Aslans Girl on November 5, 2011 at 2:46 AM
Give it up Punk, you’re caught. No one posts such hatred on EVERY Cain thread unless they are racist. Your support of a guaranteed loser like newt and Perry expose you as a liberal troll. Well that and two other people who remember you bashing perry the same way you now bash Cain.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:47 AM
Only if you’ve been eating paint chips.
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 2:47 AM
I’m sorry, but that is what you do when anyone dares question anything about Cain. If you truly support him, you should knock it off because it is not persuasive (the opposite in fact).
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:48 AM
Um. So I admit that I eat paint chips and you admit that you’re racist? I don’t think that you want to take that bet. ;)
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:50 AM
Have you ever watched Perry’s gubernatorial debates on YouTube? Try it sometime. Downright awful. I went in with an open mind and those gubernatorial debates were something else.
The biggest negative Perry carries, IMO, is that 0bama will absolutely, 100%, wipe the floor with Perry in debates. And, like it or not, a LARGE percentage of independents give heavy weight to those presidential debates. It’s like a 3-game playoff – and one team goes home.
I will tell you that if Perry is the nominee, I will probably be too afraid to even watch. Perry is about the worst political debater I have ever seen, and I’ve watched a lot of them, way back to Reagan v. Carter.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:50 AM
Besser, I have not seen northdallasthirty label everyone or even most people racist for disliking Cain. Just Punchenko.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:50 AM
Yeah. You accuse Cain of lying when he wasn’t even part of the negotiations and subsequent agreement, keeping on with your talking points day in and day out. We get it. You like Perry. YOu have made that abundantly clear and I have made my point that I don’t because of his terrible immigration record and plans for further benefits for illegal aliens and the fact that he falls flat in debates. Please do not try to play the victim when we all know your agenda.
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 2:51 AM
Anyway, I will leave you to it. I’m sick of everyone who doesn’t support Cain being called a racist. I don’t need my own party for that. I already have the Democrats to tell me that I’m a racist for not supporting a black man for president.
besser tot als rot on November 5, 2011 at 2:52 AM
When a candidate’s spokesman makes a statement for the candidate he is speaking for that candidate. That’s the job description of “spokesman”.
So (some of)the questions are – who told him to go out there and throw it out to the public? Was he fired? Did Perry apologize to Romney? As you said, the investigation into the leaking party is far from over.
Interestingly enough, it’s only the rabid variety of Perry backers who are worried about such a look-see, claiming only the vicious attacks on Cain matter – not who was in bed with Politico and gave the liberal-run media the rope.
whatcat on November 5, 2011 at 2:52 AM
My dislike for Cain is indeed very rational and is supported by his statements, “misstatements”, jokes, non-jokes, and other assorted silliness. Believe it or not I am not in the minority on this — many, many others are not impressed with Cain, either. This will become more apparent to you when Cain’s numbers eventually slide and he fails to get the nod. Speaking of Cain’s critics…
You can start here:
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/10/16/cain-foreign-policy-ignorance-neoconservatism/
Your charge of “racism” is unfounded, ridiculous, and just a sad attempt to silence Cain’s critics. It doesn’t really work as I am still here commenting. On the other hand, your quick use of the race card as a political weapon demonstrates that Cain’s supporters are really no better than Obama’s. I don’t really see a difference between you or some OWS kid supporting Obama and strong-arming others with the race card to get on board.
It’s sad, North. :-(
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 2:53 AM
First, I haven’t been throwing down the race card/racist word around, so, I think you are a fool that is just attacking everything that moves around here.
Second, I couldn’t give a fig what you think of me.
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 2:54 AM
No one has called you a racist and you know that.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:54 AM
Fixed it for myself. I still recall Ford’s Poland flub that sank his boat. And the debate did sink Ford in ’76.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 2:54 AM
Besser is not a racist and no one said he was, but he has shown himself to be a Cain hater because he isn’t as slick as say….Romney. Considering how he got so slick I’ll take Cain over that anytime.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:58 AM
I think if we project Cain from primary into the general, it should apply equally around, as you’ve done above. It would indeed be a total massacre, the likes of which the nation has never seen before. And I got some rank on you in going back to the Nixon v. Kennedy debates.
whatcat on November 5, 2011 at 2:58 AM
Which is why you’re such an obedient and good moby for Obama.
northdallasthirty on November 5, 2011 at 3:00 AM
I was responding to the above post where it referred to my post being possibly ‘racist’.
But, thanks for your ‘concern’.
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 3:01 AM
On the other hand, it was nice of Gerald to set Eastern Europe free.
:D
whatcat on November 5, 2011 at 3:01 AM
Ya know, when someone says they are leaving because they are tired of being called a racist when no one has called them one, it makes me question what their honesty and other claims.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 3:02 AM
Just pointing out his false race card claims. I don’t care for phony victimhood.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 3:04 AM
Not really, inasmuch as I don’t call anyone who criticizes Cain that.
Just cultists like yourself who apply to Cain a standard that you have a screaming fit over when others apply it to your candidate.
Hardly. I have no intention of “strong-arming” you to do as you’re told, as you’re used to in the Obama Party.
I’m calling you a racist because you are one. You discriminate and act with hatred and bias toward people because of their skin color.
I don’t care to have your vote, because I loathe and despise racists.
northdallasthirty on November 5, 2011 at 3:04 AM
I don’t think Perry has any edge over Cain in debates. The thing Cain has going for him is his personality. Remember Kennedy v. Nixon, when the radio listeners scored it for Nixon but the TV audience scored it for JFK.
A lot of the less informed voters give a lot of weight to debates, especially appearance. Cain could get up there and recite the Bhagavad-dita backward, but if he did it with panache, an error will slide right by a lot of them. And even if the papers pick it up the next day, the voters I’m talking about aren’t paying attention, other then watching the debate itself.
Perry, I have noticed, when he gets thrown by a question, he either seems blustery, evasive, or, sorta dumb.
How will this play against 0bama? Not too well.
I’m not trying to make this an overall judgment on Perry. But having him debate 0bama, for me, would be like suffering through watching Reggie Bush handle the ball, again and again. As a Saints fan, I can assure you, that’s a pain you don’t want to experience.
I’m glad we traded him to Miami.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 3:05 AM
If you’re not on the Cain Train and are still standing on the station platform, then you are a RACIST, RACIST, RACIST, and MORE RACIST!
– Hard “Right”, insufferable fool par excellence.
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 3:05 AM
No, you were adding company to the race card/racist brigade. I haven’t played that game tonight, so I don’t appreciate being saddled with that label. I was called a racist for using the term, ‘your boy’, which tells me it is way too late or there is way too much stupid in the room.
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 3:07 AM
You’re just mad you’ve been outed punchenko.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 3:07 AM
So pointing out he was making false race card claims is smearing you too?
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 3:08 AM
Wow, pulling rank, I see ;-) RHIP and all that.
I think, though, that Cain’s force of personality, and his certitude, would do better against 0bama than you think. I think Cain might call him out and really make him look bad.
I fear that Perry, though Cain isn’t much better, would just stumble into 0bama’s traps again and again, and look blustery and Bush-y.
I am really, really concerned that the Dems will successfully paint him as Bush III.
They can’t do that to Herman Cain.
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 3:09 AM
You indicated that I called Bessie racist:
Besser is not a racist and no one said he was
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 2:58 AM
I did no such thing. Bessie called ME racist for using the phrase, ‘your boy’. If you were making a generalized statement, that is fine, but don’t get me involved. I think playing the race card is bad form on either side.
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 3:12 AM
No, you’re calling me a “racist” because you don’t like my criticism of Cain much like Democrats call Republicans “racist” because they don’t like their criticism of Obama. It’s disgusting and I hope all of Cain’s spokespeople are not like you.
So you are accusing me of “racism” and being a member of the “Obama Party” and of supporting Obama? Do you realize how stupid your comments are becoming? You are sounding more and more unhinged than Hard “Right”.
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 3:15 AM
No I did not indicate that you called him a racist unless your name is No One.
Like I said, I pointed out how was crying about being called a racist a yet was full of it on that issue. If you feel that I slighted you, then sorry. It was not the intent.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 3:16 AM
Punchenko, who would you like for President & VP, at this moment?
cane_loader on November 5, 2011 at 3:17 AM
Cane, he pretends to be a Newt supporter.
Hard Right on November 5, 2011 at 3:17 AM
I think you did more to out yourself with your prolific use of the race card against Cain’s critics, Hard Right. Such tactics doesn’t sell well on our side of the aisle.
Punchenko on November 5, 2011 at 3:19 AM
You were making a generalized statement. Fine.
Bessie’s being called a racist or not is the least of its problems.
HornetSting on November 5, 2011 at 3:19 AM
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