On third thought: Cain still seems to think Curt Anderson is the leaker; Update: Time for another “vague new details emerge” update; Update: “It’s a hatchet job,” says former NRA chief

posted at 5:37 pm on November 3, 2011 by Allahpundit

Via the Right Scoop. I’m picturing Mark Block, who kinda sorta cleared Anderson a few hours ago, smoking two at a time while listening to this. The most interesting bit comes near the end, when Cain retreats ever so slightly from his claim yesterday that he told Anderson about the harassment claims when Anderson worked for him in 2004. Now, he says, he’s “almost certain” that he told him. He does make a good point in noting that any political consultant worth his salt would have probed the candidate about skeletons in his closet in order to craft damage control in advance. But in that case, how come Cain’s current campaign advisors didn’t think to do that? No wonder some Republicans want Block out.

Meanwhile, at NRO, Fred Thompson is dropping dark hints or settling old scores. Or maybe both. Has Cain convicted the wrong campaign?

I have no idea who originated the story. But I’d say that looking inside the Republican family is probably a good bet. I speak from personal experience.

Days after I got into the presidential race in 2007, I was greeted with a website, “PhoneyFred.org,” described in the media at the time as an “anti Fred Thompson smear site.” You couldn’t really tell who was behind it, but we learned of it from the Democratic National Committee, which made ample use of it. We assumed that they had created it. However, a reporter at the Washington Post (of all people) decided to find out who was behind the site. After a lot of effort, she traced it to an executive of TTS Strategies, a South Carolina consulting firm run by J. Warren Tompkins, one of the most notorious hardball political operatives in the country…

In 2007, he was running Mitt Romney’s campaign in South Carolina, where Mitt was behind the rest of us in the polls. Of course, when confronted, both Tompkins and Mitt were “shocked” to learn that a rogue employee (who ran Tompkins’s office) was running such a website (out of the office), and the site was taken down immediately. One of the more benign and amusing things the site accused me of was being a “flip flopper.” I kid you not.

This doesn’t mean that Mitt is behind the Herman Cain hit piece. I’d like to think that he — and his extensive staff, many of them with training in the “political dark arts” — has learned that when you hire the meanest dog in the junkyard, it’s a little difficult to claim that you are surprised when he bites.

Translation: Maybe Romney’s cleaned up his act, but never doubt that he’s capable of this. But why would Romney want to take out Cain? He’s a godsend to him in sapping support from a more experienced, better funded conservative challenger.

Update: Can an alleged scandal about a presidential frontrunner be boring? It can if we’re in Day Five and still only getting secondhand breadcrumbs like this.

The woman in question, roughly 30 years old at the time and working in the National Restaurant Association’s government affairs division, told two people directly at the time that Cain made a sexual overture to her at one of the group’s events, according to the sources familiar with the incident. She was livid and lodged a verbal complaint with an NRA board member that same night, these sources said.

The woman told one of the sources Cain made a suggestion that she felt was overtly sexual in nature and that “she perceived that her job was at risk if she didn’t do it.”

She described it as an “unwanted sexual advance” to the other source. The woman took the matter immediately and directly to the board member because “she wanted this fixed,” the source said.

POLITICO has learned the accusation was also later brought to the attention of another board member as well as the restaurant association’s general counsel Peter Kilgore, both of whom are said to have looked into the matter. The woman, who now works in New Jersey, left the NRA in May 1998, shortly after the incident — under an agreement that paid her one-year’s salary, in the mid-$30,000s, sources said. The amount of the settlement was first reported by the New York Times.

They claim to have spoken to six different sources who are “familiar with aspects of the woman’s story,” whatever that means. If it’s true that she was made to think she’d be fired if she didn’t accept his come-on, that’s obviously serious — but even that’s being qualified with the caveat that she “perceived” that was the case. What did he actually say? How does this story crawl on past the weekend with details this vague?

Meanwhile, Cain’s raised $1.2 million since the story broke. At the rate we’re going, come December Politico will still be running airy pieces about what may or may not have happened, Cain will be at 50 percent against Romney, and he’ll have raised $20 million for the month.

Update: A ringing endorsement of Cain from the former chairman of the board at the NRA:

“The accusations? It’s a hatchet job, in my opinion,” Fassler told TheDC from his Phoenix, Ariz. office. “My gut tells me it’s a hatchet job. He gets a lead, he gets some traction, and the next thing you know, here come these allegations. It’s sad.”…

Asked why no complaint about Herman Cain ever reached the board, Fassler put the episode in perspective, essentially seeing the amount of money involved as small-potatoes…

“At the association, people had a level of authority — an amount of money that they can spend before they have to bring it to the board [for approval],” he explained. “In this case, if it was over their authority level — and I don’t remember what that level was — they would have to bring it to the executive committee [of the board].

“If it’s a routine matter, they don’t have to bring it to us. We never got it, so it was a routine matter.”

As the DC notes, that directly contradicts Politico’s claim about “urgent discussions of the woman’s accusations at top levels of the National Restaurant Association within hours of when the incident was alleged to have occurred.” Fassler also called Cain “thoroughly professional.”

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Deace’s charge was about hot tea comment made to female staffer. NSFW unless you’re British.

andycanuck on November 3, 2011 at 11:13 PM

test

sharrukin on November 3, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Deace’s charge was about hot tea comment made to female staffer. NSFW unless you’re British.
andycanuck on November 3, 2011 at 11:13 PM

LOL. The Mark Steyn link is the best. Oh, the HORROR!

whatcat on November 3, 2011 at 11:29 PM

Doctoring my tea, DOCTORING MY TEA? PROBABLY HE REALLY MEANT LET ME TEABAG YOU BABY IN THE BACK ROOM! He is supported by those teabaggers after all.

This guy CAIN is just another Hitler, Mao, Stalin and Shaft all rolled up in one. GOD help us all, he needs to end his campaign RIGHT NOW! He just screwed up this whole incident, my God! I mean this stuff was printed on the internet by the conservatives choice internet site Politico, so no matter how vague or weak the evidence is, it all has to be true.

I am over Cain and you should be too, noooo way he gets my vote after that DOCTORING MY TEA comment, that’s racist, that’s sexist, that’s homophobic, that’s anti-dentite! He is finished it’s over. Hey yall what about that great guy JOHN HUNTSMAN!

Yeah, this is how some of you sound to me! I know Allah likes the hits, but your all being played!

Africanus on November 4, 2011 at 12:00 AM

When will Anita Hill pile on?

Or has she gone Brazilian and couldn’t muff up a coke can any more?

profitsbeard on November 4, 2011 at 12:08 AM

Perry’s camp had every right to do this after Cain’s hurtful, improper response to the derogatory word for a black person rock political hit on Perry.

pc on November 4, 2011 at 12:11 AM

BTW, if it involves muff, I’m 100% for it.

Did you hear the one about the former Fed Reserve board member who suddenly starting showing strong in the President’s race? Well it’s not like he wouldn’t be an almost ideal person to step down the size of government and teach the tough love some folks need. He also sounds rather serious regarding the border crisis we have been enduring far too long. Calderon needs tough love as well. Screw em if they can’t govern. He and his buddies can all high tail it back to Spain where they belong. The US should install a protectorate governor and park half our military in the country for some nice friendly security service.

Cain might very well become President if the powers to be deem him ideal for easing DC off it’s sugar high. We desperately need a reduction in the size of the Executive Branch from the Postal Service to the czars to any number of Departments. Cain gets four years, in essence a substitution of another 4 of Obama and who wouldn’t go for that.

pc on November 4, 2011 at 12:27 AM

Getting to be more like a tempest in a teacup over a southern gent’s colloquial request to a fridgged yankee.

AH_C on November 4, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Now then buffy, I wasn’t referring to the date when the government defined and codified the term Sexual Harassment, clearly I was expressing that era when CLAIMS started popping up around the country and case law started getting built on the issue.

JonPrichard on November 3, 2011 at 8:35 PM

Actually, this is what you said:

That’s a complete non-sequitor to the argument. In the first place, before 1992 there was no such thing as a Sexual Harassment Claim. So of course, they would appear to balloon suddenly over the next decade or so after their establishment.

And I repeat the facts:

In 1980 the Commission issued guidelines declaring sexual harassment a violation of Section 703 of Title VII, establishing criteria for determining when unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature constitutes sexual harassment, defining the circumstances under which an employer may be held liable, and suggesting affirmative steps an employer should take to prevent sexual harassment. See Section 1604.11 of the Guidelines on Discrimination Because of Sex, 29 C.F.R. § 1604.11 (“Guidelines”). The Commission has applied the Guidelines in its enforcement litigation, and many lower courts have relied on the Guidelines.

The issue of whether sexual harassment violates Title VII reached the Supreme Court in 1986 in Meritor Savings Bank v. Vinson, 106 S. Ct. 2399, 40 EPD ¶ 36,159 (1986). The Court affirmed the basic premises of the Guidelines as well as the Commission’s definition.

In short, you are arguing that sexual harassment claims “didn’t exist” prior to 1992 — despite there being BOTH a definition of what they were, what they constituted, who adjudicated them, and case law clearly AFFIRMING their existence well prior to 1992.

I have facts. You have namecalling and innuendo. And furthermore, you can’t even get THAT right.

So you’ve referred to me as a PaulBot. I’m not. I support Perry and have openly posted here about that fact. Now, I don’t know if you support Cain or Romney by your protestations here today and at other times, but neither one is fit for the office as the Republican standard-bearer in my opinion.

Evidently you missed my defending Perry and calling out Cain.

I am a conservative, and I have my priorities in the right order – defeat Obama, destroy the leftist media that created him, and get this country going in the right direction.

You are a cultist who will say, do, and support anything to get your precious Perry into office, even if it means destroying other Republicans.

You are no different than Barack Obama, and would be just as damaging.

northdallasthirty on November 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM

This was once a serious country with serious newspapers, back in the day when they were edited by serious editors and a man had the right to confront an accuser before she was allowed to destroy his reputation, career and even his life.

Herman Cain doesn’t look like Jack the Ripper, but Scotland Yard never pursued Mr. Ripper with the passion of the newspapers and television networks so hot after Mr. Cain. He may be guilty of whatever it is that he is accused of — so far little more than a wink, a predatory smile, or even a suggestive smirk. Or he may not be guilty. But in the wonderland of Washingtonjournalism, we demand the verdict first and only then the evidence (if any).

“Sexual harassment” has been established as a crime that only the accuser is entitled to define, and then at her lawyer’s convenience. The accused is not necessarily entitled to know who accuses him, or even to know what he is accused of. The crime is so heinous that the mere accusation is enough to convict. Why waste time on evidence?

Politico, the political daily of liberal pedigree that set the hounds on Mr. Cain, has not said what he is guilty of, or when, or where, or who says so. Innuendo is enough. Politico says it has a half-dozen sources “shedding light on different aspects of the complaints.” Once upon a time, a reporter trying to get a story merely “shedding light” on “aspects” past a gruff old city editor would have been thrown down the stairs if the gruff old city editor was having a particularly bad day.

The more sensational the story, the more skeptical the editors ought to be. Newspapers traditionally withheld the name of a rape victim, for example, but if the man was acquitted of the crime the victim was then identified. Rape, alas, is not regarded as a crime as serious as sexual harassment. The new rules hold that women are the equal of men, with all the rights and privileges pertaining thereunto, except when it’s more convenient to be “the little woman.”

The most unlikely ladies want to be “the little woman.” In one celebrated complaint, a three-star general of the U.S. Army got a male colleague, a mere two-star, cashiered for touching her “in a sexual way” and trying to steal a kiss. Lt. Gen. Claudia Kennedy said nothing at the time, holding her fire until ready, and she was ready several years later when the man who offended her was up for promotion. Nothing shrinks a man’s passion, even for patting a bottom or stealing a kiss, quicker than a firm and furious rebuff from the lady. The delicate lady general retired, satisfied, to the rank of Miss, never aspiring to be remembered as Stonewall Jackson or George S. Patton.

Like the “he said-she said” skirmish between the generals, the accusations against Herman Cain have smelled from the beginning, The case against Mr. Cain smells like an exercise manipulated by one of his rivals for the Republican nomination. The Cain camp’s blaming Rick Perry, whose campaign then blamed Mitt Romney, was about par for inexperienced newcomers to a presidential campaign. As a third woman emerged to say she was offended, or shocked, or affronted by something Mr. Cain said or did at a dinner party, descent into a circus was inevitable.

Neither Mr. Cain nor his accusers seem to want to waive confidentiality and let the record of settlements between the accusers at the National Restaurant Association be opened to public review. For their part, the accusers and their lawyers continue to get good mileage out of anonymous hints and intimations. The Cain campaign is reluctant to feed fuel to the fire, tempted to think the episode will recede into another news cycle.

The Republican establishment clearly wishes Herman Cain would go away, and let Mitt Romney, whoever he is or turns out to be, get on with the coronation. But the natives in the grassy reeds and roots are restless, and the Republican establishment has yet to figure out how to deal with peasants newly empowered by Facebook, YouTube, tweets and other novelties and toys of the Internet.

A new Rasmussen poll of Republican voters nationwide, taken Wednesday night, shows Mr. Cain leading Mitt Romney 26 percent to 23 percent, and he has opened a wider lead in South Carolina, in a poll taken two days after Politico set off the carnival of allusion and implication. He’s not dead yet.
- Wesley Pruden

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 4, 2011 at 6:42 AM

Here is my take, including my Ode to Herman Cain.

kingsjester on November 4, 2011 at 6:58 AM

The “story is dead”, huh? You might want to tell that to Cain since Cain just pumped more life into it by threatening to sue.

Aslans Girl on November 3, 2011 at 10:18 PM

I think that’s the Cain campaigns way of warning Politico: We get what you did, and we are not just going to take it, and do nothing, don’t try it again. At the end of the day this was a hit piece by Politico. MSNBC commentary has turned Cain into some kind of serial masher…Lawrence O’Donnell has offered to cover any of the women’s legal fees if they come forward. The Politco folks show up on MSNBC all the time, you know MSDNC, the Barack Obama network.

We all know who this helps.

Dr Evil on November 4, 2011 at 7:45 AM

The “story is dead”, huh? You might want to tell that to Cain since Cain just pumped more life into it by threatening to sue.

Aslans Girl on November 3, 2011 at 10:18 PM

It was minor enough Cain said he didn’t remember the details or knew the outcome of the settlement.

Dr Evil on November 4, 2011 at 7:49 AM

Must get some looks on domestic flights!

whatcat on November 3, 2011 at 9:55 PM

He get’s looks on all the flights :) He doesn’t mind in the least, he tells me while they are profiling me, I am profiling them. Going through international air ports, like in Dubai everyone get’s the treatment. When you hear CAIR b1tching about Muslim women having to be searched, and having to remove their head covering it’s B.S. Over there they remove their head covering in a separate room. It’s an odd thing, we are all PC over here, but the Muslim countries don’t play favorites with anyone. If you give them a hard time about being searched, they spend hours and hours making you miserable. Do they profile? Not well enough, I read the panty bomber was going to school in Dubai.

Dr Evil on November 4, 2011 at 7:57 AM

He get’s looks on all the flights :) He doesn’t mind in the least, he tells me while they are profiling me, I am profiling them. Going through international air ports, like in Dubai everyone get’s the treatment. When you hear CAIR b1tching about Muslim women having to be searched, and having to remove their head covering it’s B.S. Over there they remove their head covering in a separate room. It’s an odd thing, we are all PC over here, but the Muslim countries don’t play favorites with anyone. If you give them a hard time about being searched, they spend hours and hours making you miserable. Do they profile? Not well enough, I read the panty bomber was going to school in Dubai.
Dr Evil on November 4, 2011 at 7:57 AM

It seems they do a reasonably good job at it – not as good as Israel, though. You’re right on the PC problem here – as people say, it’ll kill us.

whatcat on November 4, 2011 at 8:19 AM

Why is it when a man makes a sexual comment to a woman, it’s sexual harassment, but when a women does the same to a man, it costs $8.95 a minute…
*
This is why good business people are hesitant to get into politics, a minor incident 12 years ago, becomes national news, inflamed by people who are literally masturbating at their keyboards while attacking what they consider an “opponent”…someone they have never met, talked to, know little about except what has been fed to them by the MSM.
Cain’s background has been exemplary, no blemishes, no indication this is his “M.O.”, no one who has worked closely with him has come forward and said anything contrary…yet, the excitement, the frenzy (like Asians girl, csdeven, honda, etc.) is almost borderline, no take that back, it is a basil drive, consuming, it’s as if it’s a sexual release to write these attacks. It is quite disturbing how vested they are in destroying someone they have never met.
It reminds me of the mothers who do those weird facebook attacks against girls their daughters are competing against…it’s the same exact mentality…
I guess it’s the anonymity that turns them on, that they can attack someone and not be held responsible, they are never confronted except by a bunch of images on a screen.
Regardless the reason, I could only guess, it’s a drive that is not only bizarre, but it has a bit of the “Lord of the Flies”, flavor, thrown in with a “release” of some sort that gives them some power, or feeling of…I don’t know what feeling, I just don’t get it, except it is sick…

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 8:25 AM

Perry’s camp had every right to do this after Cain’s hurtful, improper response to the derogatory word for a black person rock political hit on Perry.

pc on November 4, 2011 at 12:11 AM

It’s just November, but you have taken the top spot for the stupidest post this year…I think you have a chance of winning…

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 8:28 AM

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 8:25 AM

we should be more like you and the other cainiacs huh? because its a republican we should just circle the wagons and start the “nuts and sluts” attack w/o even hearing the girls side of the story. if cain really wanted the truth to come out he’d be calling for the NRA to drop the NDA. im betting none of those women’s complaint will just be “he compared my height to his wife’s w/ a hand gesture” im betting their stories have a bit more to them. but you go on defending a republican and doing it only on the basis of “teh dems do it all time” or whatever BS you use to justify it. i expect more of the politicians i support,

chasdal on November 4, 2011 at 8:31 AM

RedLizard64 on November 3, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Pal, now you are pissing me off…I asked you to remove my name from your stupid list…it’s wrong, you have it all wrong regarding me.
You are just a fool with too much time on your hands.

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 8:31 AM

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 8:28 AM

sounds like you had no problem w/ cain attacking someone based on innuendo and false info. but now that in your opinion that’s happening to cain you cry foul, must be nice not having any principles

chasdal on November 4, 2011 at 8:32 AM

Just wonder about the culture in the 1990′s at the NRA with the frre-flowing money, booze and food. After all, that was their business. Probably conducive to a lot of improper behavior on everybody’s part and who who remembers what if everyone was engaged in it. Maybe why that’s why these allegations against Herm are coming out of that period of his professional life. Different than what u would see in a maufacturing plant, a hospital, an insurance office or even Godfathers Pizza, Burger King or the KC Federal Reserve.

gracie on November 4, 2011 at 8:38 AM

people who are literally masturbating at their keyboards… it’s as if it’s a sexual release to write these attacks

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 8:25 AM

that these thoughts percolates in your mind and then that you consider it important to share is what is sick – dude, you’ve got some serious unstable issues IMO

gatorboy on November 4, 2011 at 8:38 AM

whatever BS you use to justify it. i expect more of the politicians i support,
chasdal on November 4, 2011 at 8:31 AM

Funny you should mention BS and your candidate. Even at Perry-sites like RedState people are starting to call these attacks “Bovine Fecal Material”. Looks like Rick’s gonna hafta go get hisself a ‘nother rope to hand Politico for a lynchin’ party.

whatcat on November 4, 2011 at 8:44 AM

people who are literally masturbating at their keyboards… it’s as if it’s a sexual release to write these attacks

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 8:25 AM

that these thoughts percolates in your mind and then that you consider it important to share is what is sick – dude, you’ve got some serious unstable issues IMO

gatorboy on November 4, 2011 at 8:38 AM

I think right2bright’s onto something here. it really is like some folks are getting off on this…they are either sexually immature or sexually repressed and don’t want to be and this topic seems to be a release for them.

I just think people should put themselves in the culture of the NRA at that time and understand that no one may really be able to remember what really went on and that all the boys and girls there may have had less than appropriate behavior at some time.

gracie on November 4, 2011 at 8:46 AM

I think right2bright’s onto something here. it really is like some folks are getting off on this…they are either sexually immature or sexually repressed and don’t want to be and this topic seems to be a release for them.
I just think people should put themselves in the culture of the NRA at that time and understand that no one may really be able to remember what really went on and that all the boys and girls there may have had less than appropriate behavior at some time.
gracie on November 4, 2011 at 8:46 AM

I think everybody understands there’s a whole lot of nothing in this. But the dynamic at play here is the bizarre belief of Perry supporters that if they can help destroy Cain’s life , it will somehow help Perry become a serious candidate instead of a 4th/5th place also-ran. This is easily confirmed in noting the fact that those who are “orgasmic” on destroying Perry are, invariably, Perry supporters.

whatcat on November 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM

Newt 2012………….

adamsmith on November 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM

bizarre belief of Perry supporters that if they can help destroy Cain’s life , it will somehow help Perry become a serious candidate instead of a 4th/5th place also-ran.
whatcat on November 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM

yah. Perry’s a good man but can’t help that he’s just too much Texas for me. i wish Sarah had gotten in instead but she didn’t want to compete so there’s no fighting that either. Cain needs to improve and be disciplined or he will fall off the cart, too.

gracie on November 4, 2011 at 9:16 AM

bizarre belief of Perry supporters that if they can help destroy Cain’s life , it will somehow help Perry become a serious candidate instead of a 4th/5th place also-ran.
whatcat on November 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM

yah. Perry’s a good man but can’t help that he’s just too much Texas for me. i wish Sarah had gotten in instead but she didn’t want to compete so there’s no fighting that either. Cain needs to improve and be disciplined or he will fall off the cart, too.
gracie on November 4, 2011 at 9:16 AM

Sarah would have kept the race more interesting, though it’s not her time this time around. Cain’s good so far, but he might not sustain his momentum. Newt has the baggage. Perry’s been out of the running for about a month now. I’m guessing the party will get stuck with Mitt in the end, which would be a nose-holding vote for many in the general. Would be good to see Newt and Palin in cabinet positions, though.

whatcat on November 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Newt 2012………….
adamsmith on November 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM

He does seem the most knowledgeable and comfortable in his political suit. Cain can learn from in in their debate this weekend. Maybe they’ll team up.

gracie on November 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM

I guess it’s the anonymity that turns them on, that they can attack someone and not be held responsible, they are never confronted except by a bunch of images on a screen.

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 8:25 AM

I use my real name on the relatively few sites I frequent, and given they’re all political, news, or firearms forums, I can pretty much guarantee a notable lack of sexual excitement when I criticize, say, the Cain campaign for its amateurish bungling of this sexual harrassment scandal.

Herman Cain is running for President of the United States. He and his campaign staff must have known these sexual harrassment settlements would be found by someone at some some point, but Cain and Block’s response to these allegations has been disingenuous, deceitful, and–by fingerpointing at Team Perry without evidence–pernicious.

Initially, Cain said he couldn’t recall the details. Are you kidding me? The one thing (so far) that could torpedo his campaign at any time and he hadn’t bothered to refresh his memory or brief his staff on a potentially show-stopping scandal prior to announcing his candidacy? Bad enough, but then he immediately tried to pin the leak on Perry, without proof. And by the way, when is releasing information–good or bad–about a candidate a bad thing? If Cain’s another Clintonian predator-in-waiting with bimbo eruptions going off in every direction, we need to know. Character counts.

But back to you, Right2Bright, and your comment about the cowardice of anonymity. Seems to me you wrote some fairly unkind things about other posters on this forum while safely hiding behind your Special Super Seekrit Internet Identity. Hypocritical much?

troyriser_gopftw on November 4, 2011 at 9:32 AM

it is a basil drive, consuming, it’s as if it’s a sexual release to write these attacks. It is quite disturbing how vested they are in destroying someone they have never met.

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 8:25 AM

Yeah, this is more of your typical idiotic statements we have learned to expect from you. Yeah, right….questioning the accusations against Cain is a desire to destroy him. And to point how exactly how ignorant you are, I do not subscribe to these attacks on Cain. My only interest is to see if he can weather the storm.

csdeven on November 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM

it is a basil drive, consuming, it’s as if it’s a sexual release to write these attacks. It is quite disturbing how vested they are in destroying someone they have never met.
right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 8:25 AM

Yeah, this is more of your typical idiotic statements we have learned to expect from you. Yeah, right….questioning the accusations against Cain is a desire to destroy him. And to point how exactly how ignorant you are, I do not subscribe to these attacks on Cain. My only interest is to see if he can weather the storm.
csdeven on November 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Not really – as gracie pointed out above “it really is like some folks are getting off on this’. And, as I added, with the Perry supporters frenzied attacks on Cain, it’s pretty much lighting a cig and basking in the afterglow time.

whatcat on November 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM

This is so totally a msm hit piece and it’s working to perfection. No headlines about jobs or F&F. They’ve been replaced by this sensationalism. Can Cain see Russia from his house yet?

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lovingmyUSA on November 4, 2011 at 9:44 AM

Block on FOX saying that this is the last time he will be addressing this topic, they will be addressing the other issues of the campaign…

lovingmyUSA on November 4, 2011 at 9:46 AM

This is so totally a msm hit piece and it’s working to perfection. No headlines about jobs or F&F. They’ve been replaced by this sensationalism. Can Cain see Russia from his house yet?
Kissmygrits on November 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM

What sensationalism?
:D

whatcat on November 4, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Who would donate to a campaign which is not only violating campaign law, but sure looks like it has broken some RICO laws?

It is also interesting that the Des Moines talk radio host who is largely responsible for Huckabee’s win in 2008 also has levied the “inappropriate behavior” charges against Cain.

He’s not for anyone at this point, but obvious will not be helping Herb.

Kermit on November 4, 2011 at 9:53 AM

It is also interesting that the Des Moines talk radio host who is largely responsible for Huckabee’s win in 2008 also has levied the “inappropriate behavior” charges against Cain.

Kermit on November 4, 2011 at 9:53 AM

Deace is still in a kerfuffle because Cain sweetly and politely asked one of his female employees to put honey and lemon into his tea. He may also have hugged one of them in greeting. I hope he filed charges.

RepubChica on November 4, 2011 at 10:10 AM

Sorry to be late to the party. I actually went to bed after work rather than hang out here until 0200.
Now-Cain was my 3rd choice-but because of his recent behavior(baseless accusations) toward Perry…If ‘Herm’ is the nominee I’ll vote in the general the same way I’d vote if Ronulan were the nominee.
I won’t.
The man is proving himself to be a class-less hack who is unworthy of sitting in the oval office.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 4, 2011 at 10:13 AM

Cain needs to improve and be disciplined or he will fall off the cart, too.

gracie on November 4, 2011 at 9:16 AM

Ok, now it will be you fault……

POLITICO: DOMINATRIX IN CAIN’S CLOSET?

cartooner on November 4, 2011 at 10:14 AM

Block on FOX saying that this is the last time he will be addressing this topic, they will be addressing the other issues of the campaign…

lovingmyUSA on November 4, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Too late. The damage is done.
Herman Cain is unworthy of the highest office in the land.
Perry/Jindal 2012
Perry/Newt(Newt/Perry) 2012!

annoyinglittletwerp on November 4, 2011 at 10:15 AM

And, as I added, with the Perry supporters frenzied attacks on Cain, it’s pretty much lighting a cig and basking in the afterglow time.

whatcat on November 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM

You should qualify that. I’m a Perry supporter and I’ve never unloaded on Cain like I’ve seen you do to Perry. I fail to see how you, Mr. Pot, can call Ms. Kettle black with a straight face.

cartooner on November 4, 2011 at 10:23 AM

And, as I added, with the Perry supporters frenzied attacks on Cain, it’s pretty much lighting a cig and basking in the afterglow time.
whatcat on November 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM

You should qualify that. I’m a Perry supporter and I’ve never unloaded on Cain like I’ve seen you do to Perry. I fail to see how you, Mr. Pot, can call Ms. Kettle black with a straight face.
cartooner on November 4, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Then you would be the very rare exception that proves the rule.
If you can point to Perry scandals by Politico/MSM where I’ve took up the liberal media’s cause, I’d be happy to re-visit such Perry scandals. Or you can just list here the Perry scandals exposed by them and I’ll review them.

But you’ll indeed find plenty of places where I’ve noted the fact that although Perry is an embarrassment politically, he’s always an excellent source for top notch – albeit unintentional – humor. That unintentional rumor is also why he’s battling Paul for 4th or 5th place – at the very best, and continues to go nowhere fast.

whatcat on November 4, 2011 at 10:37 AM

I am very disturbed by the way a lot of bloggers on this site have turned on each other with the worst extended period of ad hominem strife I can ever remember on HotAir. There have been some very ugly overnight threads. For whatever reason, it has seemed to me that Perry supporters do seem to usually be involved, either as attacker or attackee.

I would like to ask everyone to back off this hyper-partisan defense of their currently chosen candidates, and concentrate on the policies and on picking the best one.

Lately, it seems that many here are viewing each comment pro- or con- a candidate, through their own personal prism of which candidate they support – then trying to identify who’s on what team, and then going to war here on HotAir, resulting in non-stop friendly fire.

This same back-biting crap is what sank LGF. Even before Charles Johnson lost his nut, LGF was dying because of exactly the same personal, cross-thread targeting of posters that I see quickly developing here at HotAir.

Will everyone please take a step back – a deep breath – and try to dial back the current ad hominem war here?

I really like this site – and, I think it does hold some political influence – which will diminish if we all devolve into crapping all over each other. We’re not even to the first primary yet! This has to stop.

Thanks for listening.

cane_loader on November 4, 2011 at 10:46 AM

whatcat on November 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM

I’m sure there are those types in every candidates support group. I should have put more emphasis on the fact that I do not subscribe to the Cain bashing stuff even though I am curious as to what the facts are. In the end it wont matter because if Cain is proven to have a history of this behavior, rational people like me will abandon him entirely.

csdeven on November 4, 2011 at 1:01 PM

But back to you, Right2Bright, and your comment about the cowardice of anonymity. Seems to me you wrote some fairly unkind things about other posters on this forum while safely hiding behind your Special Super Seekrit Internet Identity. Hypocritical much?

troyriser_gopftw on November 4, 2011 at 9:32 AM

To bad you can’t comprehend what I wrote…now you stated Cain had sexual harassment charges against him.
Now, big boy, let’s see you produce the links that show those charges.
See, this is what I a talking about, you guys have already convicted him of something that has no facts.
To you, what Politico wrote is facts…well produce the facts, big boy…let’s see how “kindly” you are to someone that you make false accusations about.

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Block on FOX saying that this is the last time he will be addressing this topic, they will be addressing the other issues of the campaign…

lovingmyUSA on November 4, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Too late. The damage is done.
Herman Cain is unworthy of the highest office in the land.
Perry/Jindal 2012
Perry/Newt(Newt/Perry) 2012!

annoyinglittletwerp on November 4, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Do you realize your hero just came out with a plan to give illegals work permits??? Bwhahahahahhah…he just needs to fall on his sword now and get it over with…

lovingmyUSA on November 4, 2011 at 1:15 PM

In the end it wont matter because if Cain is proven to have a history of this behavior, rational people like me will abandon him entirely.

csdeven on November 4, 2011 at 1:01 PM

His history is well known, practically everyone who has ever worked for him, or with him, have come forward and say this is not his character, it’s an assassination…you do know that Mitt molested a child didn’t you?
See how that works, now prove to me he never did…I will be curious to see if he has a history of that sort of behavior…
I get the bashing of his 9-9-9 plan, I get the bashing of Mitt flip flopping, of Perry being horrible at debating…but this “personal” stuff, it shouldn’t be tolerated by any candidate, and every candidate should be standing strong and skewering Politico…because they are next.

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Yeah, this is more of your typical idiotic statements we have learned to expect from you. Yeah, right….questioning the accusations against Cain is a desire to destroy him. And to point how exactly how ignorant you are, I do not subscribe to these attacks on Cain. My only interest is to see if he can weather the storm.
csdeven on November 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Honey, questioning him on something legitimate is fine…but this is baseless with no facts.
So now Mitt has to spend weeks talking about his child molestations, his part in the killing of women, his abuse of dogs, his desire to have multiple wives…that’s what you want?
You guys, and you are the worst of the offenders, will do and post anything to “kneecap” anyone that challenges your candidate (Mitt in your case).

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 1:22 PM

that these thoughts percolates in your mind and then that you consider it important to share is what is sick – dude, you’ve got some serious unstable issues IMO

gatorboy on November 4, 2011 at 8:38 AM

Did you type that with just one hand?
Pal, look at some the comments, they are still claiming “sexual harassment”, and that has been destroyed…so why the continuous focus on “sexual”, when it never happened?
Did I strike a nerve? Did something go limp? Well don’t worry, they will find another incident or false accusation against Cain, Perry, Romney, Rubio, Newt, or whomever is the “flavor of the week” and you will be able to satisfy yourself at that time….meanwhile, just be comforted in the fact that you will be able to type twice as fast…

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Compare HA Poll to this

RedLizard64 on November 4, 2011 at 1:31 PM

am very disturbed by the way a lot of bloggers on this site have turned on each other with the worst extended period of ad hominem strife I can ever remember on HotAir. There have been some very ugly overnight threads. For whatever reason, it has seemed to me that Perry supporters do seem to usually be involved, either as attacker or attackee.

cane_loader on November 4, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Well, when they support a guy famous for saying things like conservatives who disagree with in-state tuition for illegals are heartless…that he doesn’t just people by how their last names sound…that he’s “pro-life” on issues other than abortion…you can see why they attack and are attacked back so much.

MadisonConservative on November 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM

PappyD61 on November 3, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Government…yes in a convoluted sort of way…of course Uncle sam had me for 21 years for regular duty.

RedLizard64 on November 4, 2011 at 1:37 PM

PappyD61 on November 3, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Duly noted my apologies…despite what everything I can’t read all posts which is why I offered an email. Thanks for the feedback and civility.

RedLizard64 on November 4, 2011 at 1:38 PM

tims472 on November 3, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Noted…wish me luck!

RedLizard64 on November 4, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Dr Evil on November 3, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Preferences note. No problems on numbers can not possibley be scientific…just shooting for “close. I am also reluctant to think this is coming form anywhere else than the DNC/MSM collective.

RedLizard64 on November 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Knucklehead on November 3, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Sorry I am usually a later poster so don’t always get back to a specific post..hence my “opening up” by leaving my email. I will remove…also you may not have seen but I said I was going to try and just post numbers in the future. No harm or malisciousness intended. thanks for the feedback.

RedLizard64 on November 4, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Voter from WA State on November 4, 2011 at 1:54 PM

I wish some other business owners or corpoarte types here at HA would make posts on similar assessments in how they would personally be affected by 9-9-9 plan.

RedLizard64 on November 4, 2011 at 1:58 PM

I think most people are really concerned that an unelectable candidate will be nominated. They just don’t want to see an “O’Donnell” on a national level. This is probably the most important election in my lifetime. I want the right person in the WH.

Right now . . . for me, that is not Cain. His 999 plan would destroy my business. If I can’t take my labor costs out of my gross revenue (which his plan doesn’t allow), I will have to close my doors. In my eyes, he is just a step above Obama. I can’t afford Cain.

Voter from WA State on November 4, 2011 at 1:54 PM

There you go…. arguing Cain’s policies. That’s what I’m saying we need to do. I saw something you wrote last night about Perry’s policies that I disagreed with – I forget what – but it’s my duty as a responsible blogger to address your ISSUES, not attack your person.

Good for you – let’s all keep up the discussion, instead of flaming each other :-)

cane_loader on November 4, 2011 at 2:04 PM

im betting their stories have a bit more to them. but you go on defending a republican and doing it only on the basis of “teh dems do it all time” or whatever BS you use to justify it. i expect more of the politicians i support,

chasdal on November 4, 2011 at 8:31 AM

Meanwhile (oh and drop that childish “cainiac”, I have a healthy respect for all of the candidates, I think it is the best field of candidates for president ever presented).
Here is something for you to ponder and think about, as you are so willing to not defend someone who is being attacked with NO facts (not that you need facts, you have a pretty healthy imagination, being a one-handed typer and all).

Accuser’s lawyer: Cain didn’t sign settlement, which was reached after he left NRA
Cain left the association June 30, 1999, according to the NRA. Under that timeline, Cain would have been gone when the settlement was reached–and may well have been gone when she filed the complaint.

Gee, that kind of makes you and others look pretty darn stupid…

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 2:17 PM

Good for you – let’s all keep up the discussion, instead of flaming each other :-)

cane_loader on November 4, 2011 at 2:04 PM

No, sorry, but the people who have falsely accused Cain, and the ones who supported those false accusations, need to be called out and “Cained”.
No too many things are more egregious, more damaging, and more symptomatic of a weak society, than for people to go on witch hunts, without any evidence.
We have threads for policy, this thread is about Cain, and the false accusations, and the weak willed “conservatives” who have taken up the call to lynch him…with NO evidence.

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Right now . . . for me, that is not Cain. His 999 plan would destroy my business. If I can’t take my labor costs out of my gross revenue (which his plan doesn’t allow), I will have to close my doors. In my eyes, he is just a step above Obama. I can’t afford Cain.

Voter from WA State on November 4, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Are you sure you have done the math right, and taken in all of the other considerations?
You must have a very, very small business, a part time business perhaps?
I am down to just one business, and if this had been in play, I would have probably not sole my other two.

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 2:22 PM

(oh and drop that childish “cainiac”,
right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 2:17 PM

+1001

The “Cainiac” sobriquet is stupid. It’s cut from the same cloth as “Palinista” and “birther.”

We’re better than that, aren’t we?

cane_loader on November 4, 2011 at 2:34 PM

http://minx.cc/?post=323371

Until this changes … NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

Looks like NRA offered to let one of these women out of her confidentiality clause – and now she says NO THANKS.

That was the FIRST thing I wanted them to do – and they’ve done it – and she wants nothing to do with it.

POINT FOR CAIN. In fact, more than just a point – I’d say you could take this as evidence that that particular claim is exactly as he stated … “baseless”.

Hopefully they give the same deal to the other woman – and it’ll work to Cain’s benefit if she does the same. We’ll see. Issue’s not totally done yet … but coming closer.

If THIS particular woman pops up again in the general – then she can be hit hard for not coming out now. So I think this pretty much is the end of at least one charge against Cain.

Do I support him? Nope – not by a long shot – I still think he’s an inexperienced clown and his campaign is an abortion and his ability to respond to crisis sucks – which would be a killer for him in the general.

However – all I ever wanted was the truth – or at least some closure on these issues.

We just got that on one allegation.

HondaV65 on November 4, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Gee, that kind of makes you and others look pretty darn stupid…

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 2:17 PM

Right – because anyone who seeks the truth is stupid.

Yeah – so a guy puts a shotgun in your hands and asks you to fire at at a lifesized piece of cardboard – he (Cain) says there’s no one standing behind the cardboard for you to hit. Do you take his advice or do you verify yourself there’s no one behind the paper before you fire the shotgun?

Yeah – stupid huh? You’re the stupid one.

HondaV65 on November 4, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Are you sure you have done the math right, and taken in all of the other considerations?
You must have a very, very small business, a part time business perhaps?
I am down to just one business, and if this had been in play, I would have probably not sole my other two.

right2bright on November 4, 2011 at 2:22 PM

What’s your business? Aluminum cans? LOL

Dude – no way you’re EVER going to convince me you are the owner of even ONE successful business!

You’re too inarticulate and your thinking skills suck.

HondaV65 on November 4, 2011 at 4:56 PM

The “Cainiac” sobriquet is stupid. It’s cut from the same cloth as “Palinista” and “birther.”

I have to say to this, not necessarily.

I will speak only for myself, even though I know there are others here who agree with me.

When I use the term “Palinista”, I am referring only to Palin’s supporters who rightfully complain about the purely negative, unfair treatment she has received, but who then turn around and do exactly to others what they criticize her haters for doing i.e. they are hypocrites with double-standards. Of course, not every Palin fan is like that, and the ones who aren’t aren’t Palinistas in my book. Fast forward to Perry: I use “PerryKrishna” only when I am referring to Perry supporters who are hypocritical in the same way the Palinistas are.

One humorous observation I’ve had is that some of the anti-Palinistas have now become PerryKrishnas; I don’t have to name names, because they know who they are, just as I do! :)

We’re better than that, aren’t we?

cane_loader on November 4, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Some of us are, some of us aren’t.

“You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”? I learned on a personal level a long time ago from dealings within my own family that some people simply have no interest in being reasonable. You know the type – ‘I’m not wrong, you are!!!’; ‘That’s what you think? Well, that proves you’re an idiot!!!” ‘Oh no, I don’t think you are an moron. But, I think you are really stupid, though’ :) ‘

That’s the kind of people who are trashing these threads, and it doesn’t take very long to pick these offenders out! Sometimes, the targets of these toxic people overreact when dealing with them, but, since that’s a secondary issue, they shouldn’t blamed for causing the problem. I guess you’d say they are prolonging the problem by overreacting, but they aren’t the problem itself.

Bizarro No. 1 on November 4, 2011 at 6:13 PM

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