Uh oh: Witness found to Cain incidents?

posted at 1:25 pm on November 2, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

So far, neither of the two alleged complainants from Herman Cain’s tenure at the National Restaurant Association have come forward publicly, although it appears at least one would like NRA to release her from her confidentiality agreement to do so.  However, a pollster who worked for NRA at the time told KTOK in Oklahoma that he witnessed both incidents — and that if the women talk, Cain’s candidacy would be over:

Interviewed today on KTOK’s Mullins in the Morning, [Chris] Wilson, of Wilson-Perkins-Allen Opinion Research headquartered in Washington, D.C. explained he was a witness to the incident.  “I was the pollster at the National Restaurant Association when Herman Cain was head of it and I was around a couple of times when this happened and anyone who was involved with the NRA at the time, knew that this was gonna come up.”

Wilson described the woman as a low level staffer who was maybe two years out of college.  “This occurred at a restaurant in Crystal City (Virginia) and everybody was aware of it,” he continued.  “It was only a matter of time because so many people were aware of what took place, so many people were aware of her situation, the fact she left—everybody knew with the campaign that this would eventually come up.”

Wilson claims that he also can’t discuss the specifics, for legal reasons.  I’m not quite clear as to what that might be.  He may have signed a broad non-disclosure agreement with NRA to get the polling work, but if that’s the case, he just violated it with this statement today.  Unless he also participated in the settlement/severance agreements with the women, he’s as free to discuss the details as the fact that he witnessed them.  And it’s difficult to see how Wilson would have been involved in a settlement between NRA and the two employees.

However, Wilson isn’t only linked to NRA and Cain from years gone by.  His firm has conducted polling in this presidential race for the Make Us Great Again PAC.  And guess which candidate is favored by MUGA-PAC?  Why, none other than … Rick Perry.  The PAC has no formal connection to Perry’s campaign, but it’s certainly boosting Perry as the Republican nominee in the primary.

Could Wilson be more than just a witness in this story?  Could he be a source?  It could just be a coincidence that a witness to these alleged incidents did work for an organization pushing Perry, and that the story mysteriously got to Politico as Cain took support away from Perry in mid-October.  If he is the source, then conducting an interview on the topic has to be one of the dumber political moves I’ve seen.

Update: Some are saying that this indicates Romney as the source of the leak, but I’m not terribly convinced that a one-time donation means much.  Romney has less to fear with Cain as his main opponent than others in the race, and besides, no one knows whether Anderson ever knew about the incidents at all.  Other board members say they didn’t.  YMMV, however.

Update II: There have been plenty of developments that we have covered in other posts, but this development should be noted here:

Wilson emails THE WEEKLY STANDRD: “To be clear, and you can ask any of the reporters covering this story, I had nothing to do with leaking this in any way, and I’ve never discussed or shared this story with any of my clients – period.”

I’m pretty sure Politico won’t confirm or deny on any speculation on sources, but Wilson’s denial should be noted on this post.  However, John McCormack notes that Wilson has another indirect connection to the Perry campaign:

But pollster Tony Fabrizio, who was Wilson’s boss at Fabrizio, McLaughlin & Associates at the time of the alleged incidents, was hired by the Perry campaign in October.

Although Wilson claims that “anyone who was involved with the NRA at the time knew that this [incident with Cain] was gonna come up,” Fabrizio says he didn’t now that Cain was accused of sexual harassment.

“Our firm worked for the NRA prior to Herman Cain’s ascendancy there, during his presidency, and even for a little bit after that,” Fabrizio tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD. “But I was never witness to any of what Chris is saying, or at least what I’ve read as the account of what he’s saying.”

But did Wilson ever tell his boss about any of these incidents or allegations? “No, not that I recall, no,” says Fabrizio.

We’ll see.

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gophergirl on November 2, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Today’s my anniversary and Mr. Twerp is talking me out to a sort of nice place for eats-so I agree that today’s a a good day/eve for an HA break.
Take care, Girlfriend.
Go Gophers!

annoyinglittletwerp on November 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Better to hash this out now before hes the nominee.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 1:36 PM

I’m sure it will be hashed out. I still don’t buy it. The woman got 35 grand. If this was the kind of scandal that could end a political campaign, she would’ve been paid way more than that. Plus I find it more than a little suspicious how a reporter from Politico as well as this “source” are hyping this story, yet they can never go into details or name names.

All I’ll say is this. These people who keep building this up better have the goods. Because if this is all much ado about nothing, they’re gonna hand the nomination to Cain courtesy of the base being sympathetic towards him and disgusted with the rest of the field.

Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM

This guy worked for: NRA, Romney, Cain, Perry and Karl Rove.

Until and unless you have proof of anything, all is conjecture and idiocy.

Schadenfreude on November 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM

By all means, let’s sweep this under the run now so that it explodes after we have chosen a nominee.

DaveS on November 2, 2011 at 1:44 PM

What is it that we’re sweeping under the rug, exactly?

Jim Treacher on November 2, 2011 at 1:53 PM

I’m also really tired of this “Cain is a true conservative” crap.

According to what????

1. He supported TARP
2. He endorsed Romney
3. He is a flip-flopper on abortion (numerous times)
4. He is a flip-flopper on gay marraige
5. He is a flip-flopper on killing Al Awlaki
6. He donated to Democrat politicians in Nebraska
7. He has no voting record, so we don’t know which way he would on anything
8. He worked for the Fed
9. He has high praise for Alan Greenspan (Andrea Mitchell’s hubbie)
10. He ripped people who opposed TARP as “free market purists”

HERMAN CAIN IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE, but he is LIAR AND A FRAUD.

bigred on November 2, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Wilson claims that he also can’t discuss the specifics, for legal reasons. I’m not quite clear as to what that might be. He may have signed a broad non-disclosure agreement with NRA to get the polling work, but if that’s the case, he just violated it with this statement today.

This is the point I’ve been trying to make: if you are willing to dish political dirt while violating your prior agreements, then even if the allegations are true the person doing that is not to be trusted. If all those others that are alleged to have seen this haven’t come forward by now, then what, exactly is going on? You can’t have so many people who are not under confidentiality agreements and NDAs be silent for this long.

If you want a better system of politics then it is time to start calling these people out to remind them that their word can and must mean something for them to be trusted. That is if you like a Nation ruled by laws, and not men. And an excuse of this being the way of things is in complete support of this utterly corrupt and corrupting process. Getting a better process means that these people who will demonstrate no personal integrity and yet still have positions of trust is one that cannot stand because it does destroy people and the Nation.

ajacksonian on November 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM

I’ve also gotta say – if you’re trying to run for the GOP nomination, and you knew there was something like this in your relatively recent past (the 1990s wasn’t THAT long ago, people, unless talking about Clinton is no longer allowed), and you decided to throw your hat in the ring anyway knowing full well that any potential challenger to Obama would become Media Public Enemy #1 – meaning that NOTHING would be left out of the discussion, no matter how small or irrelevant or “in the past” – then you really are showing a serious lack of good judgement that is uncharacteristic of a good Presidential candidate.

Yes, this is a distraction. Yes, if true, it is serious. Yes, the media holds scumbags like Bill “Serial Liar and Sexual Abuser” Clinton and Barack “Hey I Sold Cocaine in College LOL” Obama to a different standard (ie: NO standard). Yes, he was always going to receive the same treatment that one would expect a national Republican to receive, regardless of his race or other extraneous factors.

Cain has to have known this going in. And if he didn’t, he’s an idiot who hasn’t been paying attention to anything going on in the political world in the last several decades. And somebody that naive shouldn’t be President, nor should they drag the party trying to get Obama out of the WH down trying.

His recent string of “misstatements” and “gaffes” suggests that like Joe Biden, he talks first and thinks second a bit too frequently.

It’s a shame – guy seemed like an interesting enough character – but he’s probably done now.

Good Lt on November 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM

I dont buy it either, but its perception that matters. He needs this story to go away quickly, if these chicks start talking its over. Its not fair, but its over.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Very irresponsible of you Ed, especially for putting it in the title. I’m beyond disappointed, thought you were better than this.

kg598301 on November 2, 2011 at 1:47 PM

That mule doesn’t rent cheap. HA has to get the investment back.

katy the mean old lady on November 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM

The White House is a big prize to bet on a unknown political novice.

William Amos on November 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Ltlgeneral64 on November 2, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Actually settlements are given out for nothing every day. It’s less expensive to pay nuisance value than to fight for years and hope the trier of fact believes him instead of her. Not saying he is telling the truth, only that the downside risk is big enough that these cases routinely settle even when the underlying allegations are bogus.

Ted Torgerson on November 2, 2011 at 1:47 PM

I agree, One accusation is can be a nuisance… but two errrhhh..probably a little more going on than meets the eye..

Political Chef on November 2, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Because everyone who’s vouched for Cain – people who know him, people who worked with him but don’t currently support him, have asserted that stuff like this is not in his character.

And I’ll believe a presidential candidate over a professional campaign operative any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

KingGold on November 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM

So you believe Obama over Karl Rove? Hmmm … interesting.

Also … who’s come out to support Herman Cain that isn’t also supporting his campaign? Any Perry supporters come forward to vouch for Cain? Any Bachmann supporters?

Hmmmm

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Wrong – if Perry did it – he won’t pay. Perry is polling 8 percent.

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011 at 1:50 PM

If I were Romney, I’d certainly want to do everything I could to make Perry take the fall. Two birds…..

kerrhome on November 2, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Let us assume that Chris Wilson is a rational actor. He is in GOP political business. He knows, being rational, that ther is at least a chance currently-leading-in-the-polls candidate Cain might in fact be this party’s nominee, or even POTUS.

Is this rational actor really going to take a chance falsely attacking this candidate? My evaluation of the siuation says no.

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Disregarding your assumption, which is ludicrous on its face, are you really asserting that campaign operatives wouldn’t slime another candidate to advance their own guy?

Unless, of course, by “rational actor” you’re referring to those Paulians who took out ads looking for Rick Perry’s gay hookups in Texas.

KingGold on November 2, 2011 at 1:55 PM

bigred on November 2, 2011 at 1:53 PM

So…guessing your a Perry fan, lol.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

What is it that we’re sweeping under the rug, exactly?

Jim Treacher on November 2, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Indeed – many are just puking on the rug.

Schadenfreude on November 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

This only helps one person:

Mike Castle.

2012

Bishop on November 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

I’m sure it will be hashed out. I still don’t buy it. The woman got 35 grand. If this was the kind of scandal that could end a political campaign, she would’ve been paid way more than that.
Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM

1. I’m sure Herman Cain didn’t think he’d be running for President of the United States 15 years ago.

2. 35 grand in 1996 was a lot more money than it’s worth now.

portlandon on November 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

ULTIMATELY…………it’s all about Herman.

goodbye Mr. Cain.

Hello Crazy Eyes Bachmann or Rick Perry.

Oh wait………….they will both be destroyed as well.

I guess we better give up and just cancel the elections and wait for Martial law.

all hail…………OBAMA 2012!!!

PappyD61 on November 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Ted Torgerson on November 2, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Settlement, two victims, Cain’s double talk out of both sides of his mouth…Yea, me, I’m not buying it…

Ltlgeneral64 on November 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

This has Rove’s fingerprints all over it.

molonlabe28 on November 2, 2011 at 1:57 PM

The White House is a big prize to bet on a unknown political novice.

William Amos on November 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Obama

Schadenfreude on November 2, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Everyone seems to be assuming the leaker and the witness (Wilson) are the same person.

Vashta.Nerada on November 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM

PappyD61 on November 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Well thats certainly an interesting view point, lol.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM

1. I’m sure Herman Cain didn’t think he’d be running for President of the United States 15 years ago.

2. 35 grand in 1996 was a lot more money than it’s worth now.

portlandon on November 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

I don’t buy your second point.

But point 1 is spot on.

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM

For some reason, I can’t get the idea out of my head that Karl Rove/Mitt Romney are behind this?

SouthernGent on November 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Settlement, two victims, Cain’s double talk out of both sides of his mouth…Yea, me, I’m not buying it…

Ltlgeneral64 on November 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Two victims of what?

darwin on November 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Because he isnt a political neophyte and he doesnt panic. This is a panic move by someone and Im telling you that Romney camp is confident bordering on cocky. There is a reason they only do paid ads against Perry, they arent afraid of Cain..at all. Sorry.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM

Romney wouldn’t panic if he is insulated well, especially if they had a way to paint another candidate. Romney is a scoundrel and will do anything to get this. He’ll say anything to get this.

kerrhome on November 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

PappyD61 on November 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

You can shake your fist at the sky all you want. A lot of us didn’t like it when Cain went full race-card on Perry over the “N-Rock” non-story.

Now Cain has a serious issue that will likely end his candidacy – and if the issue doesn’t – his handling of it will.

Deal wid dat.

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

This has Rove’s fingerprints all over it.

molonlabe28 on November 2, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Wilson did work for Rove, as he did for the NRA, Romney, Perry and Cain. However, there’s no proof of anything.

Until then, it’s just speculation and inuendo.

Schadenfreude on November 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

What is it that we’re sweeping under the rug, exactly?

Jim Treacher on November 2, 2011 at 1:53 PM

God knows. I get better and more accurate gossip at Fat Alice’s trailer park.

katy the mean old lady on November 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Hmmm … why do you believe Cain over this guy? You know Cain personally?

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Aren’t you the poster who said that sexual harassment charges had been filed against Cain…and I asked for the links to the charges and you didn’t produce any links to explain your false accusation?
Yous stated something like that was the absolute truth…
Did I miss those links, if so sorry…but maybe you could show me again…as if…

right2bright on November 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

What is it that we’re sweeping under the rug, exactly?

Jim Treacher on November 2, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Indeed – many are just puking on the rug.

Schadenfreude on November 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Are there any facts on the rug? Is it still okay to ask about facts?

Jim Treacher on November 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

SouthernGent on November 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM

No way, look at the ads they are doing, they are all against Perry. Romney isnt worried about Cain in the slightest, I know this offends Cain people and no offense is intended, but the Romney Campaign doesnt take him seriously.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM

anyone who was involved with the NRA at the time

Except all the people who never heard about it and were in positions to.

Cindy Cooper on November 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Palin/Paul 12!

Or maybe Limbaugh/Stossel?

FloatingRock on November 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM

kerrhome on November 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Hes not a comic book villan, lol, give me a break.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 2:01 PM

What is it that we’re sweeping under the rug, exactly?

Jim Treacher on November 2, 2011 at 1:53 PM

These facts:
That is was sexual harassment
That is was sexual intimadation

That is was an intimidating hand gesture

That he wasn’t prepared well enough for the question regarding an incident 12 years ago…yeah that’s it, we are trying to sweep under the rug that he didn’t answer a question just right.
Hang the sumbitch…

right2bright on November 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Are there any facts on the rug? Is it still okay to ask about facts?

Jim Treacher on November 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Facts are irrelevant. It’s all about “reaction” or “stories” or “narratives.”

KingGold on November 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Are there any facts on the rug? Is it still okay to ask about facts?

Jim Treacher on November 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

It’s ok to ask about the facts. Many here are offering the ‘facts’ as if they examined them in their own labs. Sad.

Schadenfreude on November 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Except all the people who never heard about it and were in positions to.

Cindy Cooper on November 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Now ,now. Don’t interrupt the mud slinging.

katy the mean old lady on November 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

For some reason, I can’t get the idea out of my head that Karl Rove/Mitt Romney are behind this?

SouthernGent on November 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM

I don’t like RomneyCare nor Tokyo Rove – but if these charges are true – they have just done us all a huge favor in leaking them.

You cannot cover something like this up – it ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS comes out. If not now – in the general.

GOP voters have a RIGHT to know about this before they select a candidate to run in the general. I don’t care who leaked it (I still think it was the Dims) – but whoever leaked it – we owe them a THANK YOU!

Because “Saint Herman” wasn’t going to tell us about this little problem. It’s a big deal and it needs to be vetted.

People can pound the table all they want – deal with it folks!

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

The White House is a big prize to bet on a unknown political novice. – William Amos on November 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM

I am in agreement. Cain has not been in the spotlight long enough to know much about him. How much else do we do not know? I like the fact that he has gotten the candidates talking about tax reform, but I am afraid of what I do not know about him.

SC.Charlie on November 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Man, there are so many operational circular firing squads, at present, I just can’t keep track. Buckshot rattlin on the tin roof.

a capella on November 2, 2011 at 2:03 PM

So now the last poster on Hotair that had not outwardly pledged alliegence to Romney joins the fray with another absurd claim!

All hail the Mit Romney campaign site (formerly known as Hotair)!

Freddy on November 2, 2011 at 2:03 PM

I’m also really tired of this “Cain is a true conservative” crap.
2. He endorsed Romney

HERMAN CAIN IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE

bigred on November 2, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Rush Limbaugh also endorsed Romney that same year. Prior to being selected as VP Palin responded to an interview question about her nomination preference by saying she liked Romney and Ron Paul.

Clearly Palin and Rush are conservatives for endorsing Romney, so Cain is too.

hanzblinx on November 2, 2011 at 2:03 PM

This guy worked for: NRA, Romney, Cain, Perry and Karl Rove.

Until and unless you have proof of anything, all is conjecture and idiocy.

Schadenfreude on November 2, 2011

Its all rank speculation at this point. If one of the campaigns ‘leaked’ the info to Politico, was that wrong to do? Politics ain’t beanbag. And I put leaked in quotes because these sorts of things are certainly the kind of scandal that will come out in the course of any campaign…it would surely pop up in a school board election, for example.

We don’t like seeing the political sausage being made. I don’t know if one of the campaigns put this out there in the universe but it isn’t unlike the millions of times oppo research has made its way into the press.

On the other side of the ledger, Cain supporters must be disappointed on how he has handled the situation – very poorly – but at least its covering up his Nuclear China gaffe.

JonPrichard on November 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Some are saying that this indicates Romney as the source of the leak, but I’m not terribly convinced that a one-time donation means much. Romney has less to fear with Cain as his main opponent than others in the race, and besides, no one knows whether Anderson ever knew about the incidents at all. Other board members say they didn’t. YMMV, however.

How many people would have been privy to discovering the details of the settlement outside the lawyers, the plaintiffs, and the top officers of the NRA? … and the CEO who took over after Cain just happens to be a Romney supporter. You combine this with the fact that Romney was gushing praise for Cain when Perry surged early in the race (as though Romney wanted to elevate Cain to the first tier), and the fact that Romney has been running for President for six years and would certainly have thick files on ALL of his opponents, and the fact that Cain has been out-polling Romney recently, and the coincidence that this story broke just as George Will and Chris Wallace were threatening to divert the Washington media’s focus to Romney’s flaws as a candidate…

The picture seems clear. Romney had this information all along and has been waiting for a good time to use it. It may be that this other witness is from Perry’s camp, but everything else points to Romney as the actual source of the sexual harassment allegations.

Lawdawg86 on November 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM

I know this offends Cain people and no offense is intended, but the Romney Campaign doesnt take him seriously.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM

How can they? Cain doesn’t take his own campaign seriously.

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Trying to smear Perry-shame Get the facts first.

Bullhead on November 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Despite her lawyer’s claims, a woman who accused Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain of sexual harassment in the 1990s is reluctant to talk about the episode in public.

via AP

cmsinaz on November 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Rick-I’m Too Damn High-Perry has his dirty hands in this scandal. But the issue is not who leaked the information but if the information is true and right now it looks certain that: There was an incident, there was a complaint and there was a settlement.

Falz on November 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM

I don’t buy your second point.

But point 1 is spot on.

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Why?

In 1996 a 3 bedroom ranch cost $109,000 dollars. That same house now costs $275,000.

portlandon on November 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Meanwhile 2, you gotta like how Ed dismissed the potential Romney supporter connection, which I think is very appreciable, and is so quick to pin something on Perry.
DaydreamBeliever on November 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM

When you consider additional items, such as Wilson’s fawning writing on Perry at RedState and his involvement in TX state politics (state GOP executive) it fairly reeks of your typical, run-of-the-mill dirty state-level politics.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

This also reminds of the Nikki Haley situation where the ex-staffer kept saying that he knew she had an affair but that he couldn’t talk about it.

DaydreamBeliever on November 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

I am in agreement. Cain has not been in the spotlight long enough to know much about him. How much else do we do not know? I like the fact that he has gotten the candidates talking about tax reform, but I am afraid of what I do not know about him.

SC.Charlie on November 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

You do know he beats his wife?

katy the mean old lady on November 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

ooops my response got eaten, time to amend one word.

What is it that we’re sweeping under the rug, exactly?

Jim Treacher on November 2, 2011 at 1:53 PM

That he had charges of sexual harassment
That he had charges of sexual intimidation
That he was charged with moving his hands in an intimidating way
That he didn’t answer the question regarding a 12 year old incident perfectly….yeah that’s it, he was ill prepared to answer that question, therefore ill prepared to lead the country.
Well than, let’s hang the sumb*tich….

right2bright on November 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

And this important witness’ big scoop is that Herman Cain did . . . what, exactly?

We still don’t know if this past incident is even worth mentioning, but it’s still getting a lot of mentions anyway.

AZCoyote on November 2, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Falz on November 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM

proof?

because someone who is not directly in the perry campaign but supports him said its true?

cmsinaz on November 2, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Are there any facts on the rug? Is it still okay to ask about facts?

Jim Treacher on November 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Facts are sooooo 2004. This is 2011.

portlandon on November 2, 2011 at 2:06 PM

You do know he beats his wife?

katy the mean old lady on November 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

All of them???

right2bright on November 2, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Meanwhile 2, you gotta like how Ed dismissed the potential Romney supporter connection, which I think is very appreciable, and is so quick to pin something on Perry.
DaydreamBeliever on November 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM

When you consider additional items, such as Wilson’s fawning writing on Perry at RedState and his involvement in TX state politics (state GOP executive) it fairly reeks of your typical, run-of-the-mill dirty state-level politics.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Well, that’s fine, except that your point has nothing to do with my point.

DaydreamBeliever on November 2, 2011 at 2:07 PM

As always, Ace doesn’t proof his work:

(Michele Bachmann is right now thinking, “But Henry Rollins [the singer, Ace?] told me those were unnecessary!”)

then, when you click on the New Comments Thingy:

(Michele Bachmann is right now thinking, “But Ed Rollins told me those were unnecessary!”)

Check yourself, Holmes.

Christien on November 2, 2011 at 2:07 PM

So far, neither of the two alleged complainants from Herman Cain’s tenure at the National Restaurant Association have come forward publicly, although it appears at least one would like NRA to release her from her confidentiality agreement to do so.

Can I just say I hate this phrasing, and it’s something that has apparently taken hold within the MSM….

She has already come forward to her lawyer and to a journalist in order to plant a story. If she wants to “be released,” guaranteed there’s a section that details consequences for breaking the NDA. Most likely it’s paying the settlement money back and possibly being sued for damages by the NRA.

What she REALLY wants are the benefits of the settlement without the duties of it. Let’s call it what it is.

JohnTant on November 2, 2011 at 2:07 PM

1. I’m sure Herman Cain didn’t think he’d be running for President of the United States 15 years ago.

2. 35 grand in 1996 was a lot more money than it’s worth now.

portlandon on November 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

1) Cain WAS President of the NRA(no, not that NRA) 15 years ago which made him a big target for bloodsucking lawyers. Which is why…

2) 35 grand which was NOT a lot of money at all in 1996 would’ve been a pathetic excuse for a settlement in a sexual harassment suit.

Think about this, folks. We’ve got people claiming this is a serious enough case to essentially end Cain’s campaign immediately. A frontrunner for the Presidency would be eliminated from contention. So he either had to have groped, threatened, or made a very aggressive and unwanted pass at this woman. A lewd remark or gesture is a minor incident at best(and BTW the kind of thing that would warrant only 35 grand in severance). So like I said, these people better have the goods.

Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 2:08 PM

All of them???

right2bright on November 2, 2011 at 2:06 PM

So you know about all those women in Atlanta too?

katy the mean old lady on November 2, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Lawdawg86 on November 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM

That kind of 1 plus 1 equals four analysis is getting pretty close to truther territory. Cain is yet another wave to the Romney people, he has no in state organization in any of the early states, no boots on the ground. The Romney people arent worried about him, he will fizzle out like the rest and they know that. Hes not dumb enough to damage his own campaign by leaking to Politico of all places to damage an already weak campaign. What new advertisement did they launch today? An attack linking Perry to Jerry Brown in California, they arent worried about Cain they are worried about Perry.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 2:09 PM

No one finds it strange that this person was witness to both both incidents? Wow. I mean wow! What are the odds of that? Come on!

crazywater on November 2, 2011 at 1:38 PM

I find it strange to say the least….some one’s lookin’ for a payday. If fact, I’m quite sure I witnessed BOTH too!

Seriously, If this guy witnessed both incidents, the question could be how involved might he have been in instigating/propagating the original complaints??? Hummm……

Rovin on November 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Are there any facts on the rug? Is it still okay to ask about facts?

Jim Treacher on November 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Only if they are relevant…and this isn’t, the women were satisfied with the result, no charges were filed (if so, please send the link along)…okay to ask for facts, but better to keep the asking relative and pertinent.

right2bright on November 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Should GOP candidates be attacked for poorly sourced hit jobs?

Herman Cain seems to think so …

AMANPOUR: … And it’s been — it’s been painted over. But the report raises questions about whether this rock, this stone, with that word on it, was still on display even quite recently in the last several years. What is your reaction to that?

CAIN: My reaction is that is very insensitive…. And since Governor Perry has been going there for years to hunt, I think that it shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and renaming the place. It’s just basically a case of insensitivity.

AMANPOUR: It was painted over.

CAIN: Yes. It was painted over. But how long ago was it painted over? So I’m still saying that it is a sign of insensitivity.

People in glass houses should not throw stones!

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM

You do know he beats his wife?

katy the mean old lady on November 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

All of them???

right2bright on November 2, 2011 at 2:06 PM

This is a Romney thread now?

portlandon on November 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Meanwhile 2, you gotta like how Ed dismissed the potential Romney supporter connection, which I think is very appreciable, and is so quick to pin something on Perry.
DaydreamBeliever on November 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM

When you consider additional items, such as Wilson’s fawning writing on Perry at RedState and his involvement in TX state politics (state GOP executive) it fairly reeks of your typical, run-of-the-mill dirty state-level politics.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Well, that’s fine, except that your point has nothing to do with my point.
DaydreamBeliever on November 2, 2011 at 2:07 PM

I intended it more as saying your point didn’t figure in the scheme of things on this. (Not in a mean way – just sayin’ it’s not relevant.)

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Put a fork in Cain. Either Republicans nominate someone independents will take seriously, or we can kiss this whole country goodbye through 4 more years of Comrade Obama.

doufree on November 2, 2011 at 2:11 PM

Because “Saint Herman” wasn’t going to tell us about this little problem. It’s a big deal and it needs to be vetted.

People can pound the table all they want – deal with it folks!

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011

Maybe we should all stop investing so much emotional stock into these personalities, at least until they and their plans are fully vetted.

I agree with your general proposition that these things ALWAYS come out and there’s no getting around that. In fact, this coming out NOW did the Cain Campaign a big favor – given them a chance to handle it straight up and basically on their own terms. However, they’ve handled it quite poorly and that is not very comforting.

JonPrichard on November 2, 2011 at 2:12 PM

Cain needs to quip a witty euphemism… or a gimmicky catch-phrase.

equanimous on November 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM

What she REALLY wants are the benefits of the settlement without the duties of it. Let’s call it what it is.

JohnTant on November 2, 2011 at 2:07 PM

It’s a $35K settlement – the National Enquirer will pay her $50k for the story and she can still pocket $15K. The only thing she’d have to do is pay the original $35K back – and the NRA would have to sue her to get it.

And besides – it appears that Cain broke the agreeemnet first. So good luck to the NRA with that.

This story is coming out one way or the other.

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Except all the people who never heard about it and were in positions to.

Cindy Cooper on November 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM

One of the things that caught my eye in the original Politico article was when a board member, Joseph Fassler, said that there was never any mention of any inappropriate behavior brought up to him, in his role as chairman of the board. Presumably, he was also unaware of the settlement.

So, who exactly signed off on this settlement?

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2011 at 2:14 PM

so many people were aware of what took place, so many people were aware of her situation, the fact she left—everybody knew with the campaign that this would eventually come up

If this was so terrible wouldn’t you think someone not covered by a confidentiality cover would have squealed like a stuck pig about this long ago?

I could see it coming out of either the Perry or the Romney campaign. Have to admit that I’m starting to get an idea that this campaign may be enjoyable – watching the Perry/Romney supporters get all defensive about their guy and complain about how unfair it is to denigrate them. Especially if the Cain supporters stand behind him regardless of the attacks.

As a former Palin supporter I think I may enjoy the irony of the nasty attacks on those candidates.

katiejane on November 2, 2011 at 2:14 PM

So far, neither of the two alleged complainants from Herman Cain’s tenure at the National Restaurant Association have come forward publicly, although it appears at least one would like NRA to release her from her confidentiality agreement to do so.

UPDATE: AP source: Cain accuser wary of revisiting episode

WASHINGTON (AP) — Despite her lawyer’s claims, a woman who accused Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain of sexual harassment in the 1990s is reluctant to talk about the episode in public.

A person close to the situation said Wednesday that no decision has been made about asking the National Restaurant Association to release the woman from a confidentiality agreement that was part of her settlement. Cain led the trade group while the woman worked there.

This is a Politico-generated nothingburger tied to an ambulance-chasing lawyer.

petefrt on November 2, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Next thing you know it will be a three way party involving Newt, Cain, & Clinton….
details at 10

Bradky on November 2, 2011 at 2:14 PM

I intended it more as saying your point didn’t figure in the scheme of things on this. (Not in a mean way – just sayin’ it’s not relevant.)

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Well, I thought it did. Because the Romney supporter that Ed dismissed was Herman Cain’s successor at the NRA. And CNN was told that he was potentially the leaker of the story.

DaydreamBeliever on November 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM

It really does not matter who leaked it as long as it is true.It also has shown how woefully incompetent Cain and his staff are. They had 10 days notice and still blew it.

Southernblogger on November 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM

An attack linking Perry to Jerry Brown in California, they arent worried about Cain they are worried about Perry.
nswider on November 2, 2011 at 2:09 PM

True, but with Perry in full self-destruct mode I suspect the Romney camp is feeling good right about now.

On this, as even HA noted in the Green Room a week and a half ago:
Rick Perry’s Prime Directive: Destroy Cain

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM

So you know about all those women in Atlanta too?

katy the mean old lady on November 2, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Atlanta….good grief, I was talking about the Chinese immigrants he keeps in Arizona…I didn’t know about the ones in Atlanta.
You don’t mean those young boys do you? The ones that clean his house in Speedos?
And how about the betting receipts found at Michael Vicks home, how does he explain that?
And the insider tips he gave to Martha Stewart, and didn’t he keep the books for Bernie Madoff?
And when he ignored the recall of all the hamburgers and let the people die of botulism, along with the Godfather’s theft ring where the ring the bell, and if no one answers they break in and steal…yeah he has a long list of things to explain…

right2bright on November 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM

This is a Politico-generated nothingburger tied to an ambulance-chasing lawyer.

petefrt on November 2, 2011 at 2:14 PM

I don’t think so … that woman’s story is coming out and you can take that to the bank. Deal with it now or later.

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011 at 2:16 PM

I dont buy it either, but its perception that matters. He needs this story to go away quickly, if these chicks start talking its over. Its not fair, but its over.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM

So your theory is that even if Cain had his hands up their skirts, as long as they can keep the girls under wraps, he’s good to go?

Hmmm!

stacman on November 2, 2011 at 2:17 PM

It really does not matter who leaked it as long as it is true.It also has shown how woefully incompetent Cain and his staff are. They had 10 days notice and still blew it.

Southernblogger on November 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM

And they’re still blowing it.

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011 at 2:18 PM

The picture seems clear. Romney had this information all along and has been waiting for a good time to use it. It may be that this other witness is from Perry’s camp, but everything else points to Romney as the actual source of the sexual harassment allegations.
Lawdawg86 on November 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Lay off the bong.

haner on November 2, 2011 at 2:18 PM

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Yeah, Camp Romney is happy with where they are for sure. Fairly or not, Cains going to take a hit in the polls for this so thats helpful. Perry is kind of stuck where he is right now and the only candidate surging is Newt. So yeah overall I think their feeling pretty good.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 2:18 PM

And besides – it appears that Cain broke the agreeemnet first. So good luck to the NRA with that.

This story is coming out one way or the other.

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM

You don’t know that Cain broke any kind of NDA. Such things are notoriously one-sided, since the person accepting the settlement has many incentives to break it (as we’re seeing by the actions of the anonymous woman) while the person/organization offering the settlement has no reason to talk about it.

Think about it…if the NRA were paying settlement money to make something go away, why would they need to be bound by an NDA over something they don’t want to talk about in the first place?

Your assumption is that any NDA is necessarily equally binding, but the reality is that’s not generally the case in settlements.

In fact, five minutes of thought would prompt any reasonably with-it attorney to insert a clause preventing the part from profiting on breaking the terms of the NDA, meaning the Enquirer payment wouldn’t go to the woman in the first place. In fact, I bet something like that is standard boilerplate language on NDAs.

JohnTant on November 2, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Hes not a comic book villan, lol, give me a break.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Um, yeah, no one said he was. But he is opportunistic, liberal for most of his life, a flip-flopper with no core.

kerrhome on November 2, 2011 at 2:18 PM

right2bright on November 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Hey, you know more that those broads at the laudromat. Does your lawyer know youre blabbing. :)

katy the mean old lady on November 2, 2011 at 2:19 PM

I intended it more as saying your point didn’t figure in the scheme of things on this. (Not in a mean way – just sayin’ it’s not relevant.)
whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Well, I thought it did. Because the Romney supporter that Ed dismissed was Herman Cain’s successor at the NRA. And CNN was told that he was potentially the leaker of the story.
DaydreamBeliever on November 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM

I see, what I’m saying is that you don’t need to make that stretch when you’ve got this Perry fanboy coming out with his “I saw it all but can’t talk about because of the disclosure form” story. An Occam’s Razor thing.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 2:19 PM

I don’t think so … that woman’s story is coming out and you can take that to the bank. Deal with it now or later.

HondaV65 on November 2, 2011 at 2:16 PM

It’s always funny watching the Palin supporters suddenly endorse and support the tactics and the very rhetoric that they insisted were so wrong when applied to Saint Sarah.

Get over it, Honda. You want Cain gone, we all know that. But your endorsement of Politico’s tactics and your desire to believe anything, no matter how thinly sourced, is demonstrating that you need to be gone from the Republican and conservative parties. You want a cult, not a political leader.

northdallasthirty on November 2, 2011 at 2:19 PM

I don’t understand why people think that a small settlement means nothing really happened. Do people think that a woman can just sue for millions and live a life of opulence and luxury when her boss grabs her butt? I think that is the perpetuation of a myth – the only settlements you ever read about are the huge-dollar amounts.

Personally I’ve been around two sexual harassment settlements that were both for pretty egregious things, and they were both in that $40K range.

Also, it is pretty common that a settlement like this is reached after multiple offensive acts – generally the victim tells the offender to stop or has a third party talk to the offender. The next act after being told to stop is then the one that triggers a harassment claim and settlement.

Professor_Chaos on November 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM

This just makes me sad. I would vote for anybody but Obama. I really like Cain.

But here is the thing. I want us conservatives to be better. But can you imagine if this BS was playing out with a Democratic candidate? They would circle the wagons. And you know what? That makes them better then us. Politically and ethically. Because in a few days, the truth will come out. But we are jumping up and down to attack each other every time a new important and unimportant detail gets out.

If Herman Cain is a serial sexual harraser, we will know soon enough. It can’t be hidden. But we rush to destroy each other. I’ve done it too.

Progressives don’t do that. You see Code Pink these days? They see the bigger picture. They have a mission.

I’ve been in Japan for 4 years now. I read HA everyday, although I rarely comment. Since I have been overseas I have seen the US dollar go from 117 yen to 76 yen. I have talked to my family and watched some of them lose their businesses and jobs. I am going to have my first child this spring, and I cannot see a future where I can economically move home. It looks different and worse from the outside I guess. America is dying, and I can only watch.

Obama must go. We must see the bigger picture. We can disagree on the details, even the important ones. As long as we agree on the big picture. To me that is an America where individualism (ie freedom) trumps all. No government dictates.

We have to have a mission. Perry, Cain, Gingrich, and yes (gulp) Romney are on our side compared to the other guys trying to destroy America. Let’s debate 9-9-9 or Romneys 52 point plan. We get to vote in a primary when it is finished.

But these self attacks, from stupid rock stories, to faux harassment stories (sorry no women who has been really troubled settles for a years salary and an agreement to never mention again) have to stop.

Attack on the merits. Gaffes ok. But we have to stop shooting inside the tent when Politico or WaPo tells us to. Give it a day. Otherwise we are just a conservative Minstrel show designed for the MSNBC audience.

Sorry for the rambling. I just want to have a country to move home to.

tottoritodd on November 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM

In 1996 a 3 bedroom ranch cost $109,000 dollars. That same house now costs $275,000.

portlandon on November 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Clearly the Portland real estate market hasn’t suffered the setbacks of the Las Vegas market.

According to The Inflatrion Calculator:

What cost $100 in 1996 would cost $137.52 in 2010.

Thus taking the 35k hush money to 48k. Not bad, but I’m sure if she knew he would be a frontrunner for the GOP nomination…

JohnGalt23 on November 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM

stacman on November 2, 2011 at 2:17 PM

No, look Im looking at this from a detached political observer kind of stance, this isnt my guy so I dont really care. I dont know what Cain did or didnt do, I suspect he didnt do a darn thing, but thats neither here nor there really. If the women decide to talk, its over, thats the point. If they dont talk, this story blows over and Cains fine, just the political reality.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM

The picture seems clear. Romney had this information all along and has been waiting for a good time to use it. It may be that this other witness is from Perry’s camp, but everything else points to Romney as the actual source of the sexual harassment allegations.

Lawdawg86 on November 2, 2011

I think there’s more substance to a Romney/Rove connection than a Perry one. Ed seems to want to paint Perry with it but, for the reasons you point out, the Romney stream seems more salient. We just don’t know until we know, then we’ll know.

JonPrichard on November 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM

It really does not matter who leaked it as long as it is true.It also has shown how woefully incompetent Cain and his staff are. They had 10 days notice and still blew it.

Southernblogger on November 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM

As long as people like you think it’s true…that is all that counts.
That’s all the MSM worries about, is placing doubt in weak willed peoples minds.
Enough stories about a person, and most of you will buckle…notice the bait and switch, of course you didn’t but you fell for it…sucker.
First the sexual harassment, no, it was sexual intimidation, no it was a hand gesture, no, actually it was the way he answered something that didn’t happen.
And you, like many others, just fall for what the MSM is doing…a conned man never admits he has been conned…but I just laid it out for you…and they will, and are doing, the same to Perry, Newt, Bachmann (she is done), Romney, Rubio (potential VP)…and one by one you will fall for it.
Oh, you will defend Perry, but others will do what you have done, and attack Perry.
Just a bunch of weak minded, putty brained, easily led voters…so easy for them to manipulate you…sucker.

right2bright on November 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM

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