Time magazine bureau chief: Why did that firebombed French magazine have to stir up trouble by mocking Mohammed?
posted at 10:51 pm on November 2, 2011 by Allahpundit
Is this worth posting? I’m not sure if this attitude qualifies as “news” anymore, even when it’s held by a journalist.
Don’t worry, he’s careful to check the “violence is bad” box at the end of the piece.
Okay, so can we finally stop with the idiotic, divisive, and destructive efforts by “majority sections” of Western nations to bait Muslim members with petulant, futile demonstrations that “they” aren’t going to tell “us” what can and can’t be done in free societies? Because not only are such Islamophobic antics futile and childish, but they also openly beg for the very violent responses from extremists their authors claim to proudly defy in the name of common good. What common good is served by creating more division and anger, and by tempting belligerent reaction?…
We, by contrast, have another reaction to the firebombing: Sorry for your loss, Charlie [Hebdo], and there’s no justification of such an illegitimate response to your current edition. But do you still think the price you paid for printing an offensive, shameful, and singularly humor-deficient parody on the logic of “because we can” was so worthwhile? If so, good luck with those charcoal drawings your pages will now be featuring…
It’s obvious free societies cannot simply give in to hysterical demands made by members of any beyond-the-pale group. And it’s just as clear that intimidation and violence must be condemned and combated for whatever reason they’re committed—especially if their goal is to undermine freedoms and liberties of open societies. But it’s just evident members of those same free societies have to exercise a minimum of intelligence, calculation, civility and decency in practicing their rights and liberties—and that isn’t happening when a newspaper decides to mock an entire faith on the logic that it can claim to make a politically noble statement by gratuitously pissing people off.
That’s lovely, but there’s really only one faith which free societies are expected to treat with scrupulous intelligence, calculation, civility, and decency, and that expectation exists precisely because they might end up being firebombed if they don’t. Goofing on the others may get you some disapproving clucks and a lecture from Bill Donohue on Fox News, but you’ll walk away intact. Why this guy wants to frame that double standard in terms of “decency,” I don’t know; this must be the first time that word has been used to describe the phenomenon of being nice to someone who might hurt you if you aren’t. Says Crumley at one point, “Defending freedom of expression in the face of oppression is one thing; insisting on the right to be obnoxious and offensive just because you can is infantile.” But again, the whole point is that you really can’t in this particular case. If you could, the South Park guys wouldn’t have to literally black out images of Mohammed on their show at Comedy Central’s behest. Government isn’t the only force capable of oppression.
The fact that he’s treating this parody as some fifth-grade prank tantamount to giving Muslims a wedgie on a day when the paper’s offices were gutted from a Molotov cocktail is surreal. It may not be “politically noble” to do dumb jokes like these, but it’s certainly brave. And while I take his point about not using mockery to alienate people you’re trying to assimilate, parodies like these do have an assimilating element to them. They normalize the expectation of criticism of Islam and press Muslim community leaders to speak out against violent replies to speech. Which, to their credit, they did today after the bombing. (Charlie Hebdo’s editor responded in kind by calling the attackers “radical stupid people who don’t know what Islam is.”) The punchline is, for all the scolding by Time’s man in Paris, we’re not even sure that a Muslim was responsible for the attack. Charlie Hebdo has offended lots of people over the years, yet even Crumley — who apparently initially entitled his post, “Firebombed French Paper: A Victim of Islamists or Its Own Obnoxious Islamophobia?”(!) — is familiar enough with this very familiar plot line to jump to a reasonable conclusion about who the aggrieved party must be.
I want to know: If, as he suggests, the “common good” would best be served for the time being by laying off speech that offends Muslims, what’s the endgame for that two-tiered system? You can’t sustain it indefinitely; other faiths will grow to resent the double standard even more than they do now and that’ll create its own divisions and temptations to belligerence. Is he thinking of a time limit? Say, 30 years of quietude for everyone to assimilate and then satirists can dip a toe back into the cultural water? The media could, I suppose, try to build a new ethic of less mockery of religion generally, not just of Islam, but that’d be ironic for a profession that normally likes a wide berth for criticism and fancies itself as willing to speak truth to power even when those truths are unpleasant. There’s no way out except for everyone to grow a thicker skin. And if there is, tell me — who do I need to kill, literally, to get preferred treatment too?









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Tuck tail & submit Journalism.
portlandon on November 2, 2011 at 10:54 PM
Journalists have a long track record of knuckling under to totalitarianism.
Rebar on November 2, 2011 at 10:56 PM
As Treacher aptly noted:
It’s good to know that Time Magazine is an outlet that approves of people firebombing a media outlet that insults your worldview.
KingGold on November 2, 2011 at 10:56 PM
They are equal opportunity mockers, I give this Frenchy that.
bloggless on November 2, 2011 at 10:58 PM
aunursa on November 2, 2011 at 11:01 PM
Stupid Dhimmies!!
canopfor on November 2, 2011 at 11:01 PM
Chickensh*t Time magazine (holy crap, they’re still around??) bows to our islamic overlords.
Cicero43 on November 2, 2011 at 11:02 PM
Great Post!
Thank You AllahP. Great Post, Great Questions.
Well done.
The answer is…I think we all know….
Freedom of Speech is important and we should all defend it.
Even if they say our ‘god’ or our ‘president’ sucks buckets.
We all know the answer. Doesn’t matter. It’s Speech. It’s printed word. It is NOT bombs. It is not killing others. freakin’ idiots.
Good post.
bridgetown on November 2, 2011 at 11:03 PM
I have a list around here somewhere. Hang on…
SlaveDog on November 2, 2011 at 11:03 PM
So,sounds like another Jihady Protest rampage in the offing
to torch another bunch of cars,in France!!!
(sarc)
canopfor on November 2, 2011 at 11:03 PM
I guess the minimum standard of intelligence, civility and decency is more along the lines of soaking crucifixes in urine.
azkag on November 2, 2011 at 11:03 PM
Why, if she didn’t wear that short skirt, she wouldn’t have got raped.
That’s basically what he wrote in his article.
ButterflyDragon on November 2, 2011 at 11:05 PM
*~@):~{>
profitsbeard on November 2, 2011 at 11:05 PM
Yeah, I’d say it’s ultimately light years more important than Herman Cain sideshows and DC wonk talk.
Militant Islam vs. civilization is the epochal struggle facing humanity in the years ahead.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on November 2, 2011 at 11:08 PM
It is really quite amazing that there are purportedly civilized people who can say “Murdering people who criticize you is bad, but…” — and they actually believe that there is some argument, some pithy turn of a phrase, some well-reasoned analysis, that can follow “but” that mitigates “murdering people who criticize you is bad,” gives it a context that makes it less bad, kinda understandable, a teensy-weensy bit justified. Just amazing.
And it is never a surprise that those who say such things always have a shared ideology with those who said, “And Mussolini made the trains run on time.”
Rational Thought on November 2, 2011 at 11:13 PM
Boy, if Christians took the same offense to stuff Time has put out over the years, they would scream from their ivory tower about how “intolerant” we are.
The Left is bankrupt. Just totally bankrupt.
Starlink on November 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM
“Well… I’m glad that we have that settled.” – TEA Party
Seven Percent Solution on November 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM
I don’t see the same civility you are caterwalling about being practiced when it comes to Jews and Christians. Might that be because we don’t bomb your arses back to the stone age. Standing up for what is right just might have a cost you aren’t willing to pay. This is the same better Red than dead cr*p of the cold war.
chemman on November 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM
chillax Mohammed.
ted c on November 2, 2011 at 11:16 PM
More like it really wasn’t rape-rape.
chemman on November 2, 2011 at 11:16 PM
I reserve the right to be infantile.
Brilliant post, AP.
blink on November 2, 2011 at 11:22 PM
Why would anyone want to mock Mohammad? He was such a nice torture loving, mass murdering, lying, thieving, rapist of little girls and goats.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 2, 2011 at 11:24 PM
Message from earth to astronuts, “Islam is oppressive”.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 2, 2011 at 11:26 PM
I suggest reading Frank Miller’s Holy Terror.
A vigilante goes total Batman on Al Qaeda. It’s awesome.
Vegi on November 2, 2011 at 11:28 PM
Same level of courage by the press as six years ago.
That’s not very perceptive of Islam. A Muslim who follows Islam devoutly is universal in their reaction(violent)and will take any excuse to exercise it. You have to be a God dam*ed fool not to see that by now. Still, the world is awash in such fools.
BL@KBIRD on November 2, 2011 at 11:32 PM
Time is almost as defending of Islam and Mohammad as is the Pentagon.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 2, 2011 at 11:39 PM
This part is particularly brilliant, AP.
blink on November 2, 2011 at 11:45 PM
It’s about time somebody openly criticizes journalists for gratuitously mocking christianity as hard as they have been.
What? Oh, that’s not what you meant?
listens2glenn on November 2, 2011 at 11:54 PM
Mock the faith and moch the azz at Times. What idiocy.
Be free or perish.
Schadenfreude on November 2, 2011 at 11:59 PM
When you’re right, you’re right, AP. Imagine this guy writing that last sentence if the religion in question were Christianity. You can’t, of course. It’s practically a sacrament of secular modernism now, to mock the entire faith of Christianity on the logic that that amounts to making a politically noble statement.
J.E. Dyer on November 3, 2011 at 12:09 AM
France…er, that is the same nation that spawned Charles “The Hammer” Martel, Joan of Arc and Napoleon, right?
America…George Washington, U.S. Grant, John J. Pershing, George S. Patton…hmmm.
Somewhere in there between 1848 and 1968 something happened.
The pussification of societies linked directly to creeping Socialism? Interesting hypothesis.
Dr. ZhivBlago on November 3, 2011 at 12:10 AM
Time supports Islamic law, not ‘Islamist” law, but Islamic law.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 3, 2011 at 12:28 AM
Really? Socialists in France have lined up behind the publication and press freedom. Even the main French Muslim groups have come out to deplore the arson attack.
lexhamfox on November 3, 2011 at 12:37 AM
Holds no water if you consider France socialist. Israel is actually more socialist than France and I doubt you would call them pussies.
lexhamfox on November 3, 2011 at 12:39 AM
Technically so did Time magazine.
It’s obvious free societies cannot simply give in to hysterical demands made by members of any beyond-the-pale group. And it’s just as clear that intimidation and violence must be condemned and combated for whatever reason they’re committed—especially if their goal is to undermine freedoms and liberties of open societies.
sharrukin on November 3, 2011 at 12:42 AM
He’s not the only one to look at it that way, though Public Radio International couches their critique in a weasel word, “And there are some who wonder what purpose it serves to offend believers of a mainstream religion.” Like you say, “only one faith”….
calbear on November 3, 2011 at 12:43 AM
I believe Charles Martel was a Frank, not to be confused with French. The Franks were Germanic.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 3, 2011 at 12:49 AM
From Spiegel Online:
But in his Bild interview, Erdogan criticised Germany’s opposition to dual citizenship and laws which oblige any Turks moving to Germany to speak good German before arrival, saying this infringed their human rights. “If a young Turkish man loves a woman in Turkey and wants to marry her, this is seen as a mistake, as Germany demands that she first learn German. But what is the language of love?” he said.
“It cannot be that the love of young people is only allowed to exist in German by decree,” he added.
The language of love? Given the advent of Islamic “honor” killings in Germany — a cultural benefit of 50 years of Turkish immigration — this is a new low, even for Erdogan.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 3, 2011 at 12:51 AM
except for the one we just gave.
HitNRun on November 3, 2011 at 12:52 AM
Where do you think the terms France and French come from then? “Not to be confused..” lol
lexhamfox on November 3, 2011 at 12:58 AM
From the Germanic tribe who conquered them.
Same way the name England came from the Germanic Angles who invaded Britain.
sharrukin on November 3, 2011 at 1:01 AM
That’s swell and all, but forget mocking in newspapers, we are at a point where the U.S. Government is investigating alleged human rights abuses because Muslim students feel oppressed or whatever by the Catholic iconography at the Catholic university they voluntarily enrolled in, so it increasingly seems that anything short of mass conversion to Islam is seen as “gratuitously pissing people off.”
Threshing Flora on November 3, 2011 at 1:05 AM
From Wikipedia: “The Franks (Latin: Franci or gens Francorum) were a West Germanic tribal confederation first attested in the third century AD as living north and east of the Lower Rhine River.”
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on November 3, 2011 at 1:05 AM
Yes… keep reading. There is more..
lexhamfox on November 3, 2011 at 1:14 AM
The double standard almost goes without noting anymore, but I appreciate that you do, AP. At some point, they need to get over it, and we need to expect them to do so. To do otherwise is racist to them anyway. Even children can be expected to bear an offense.
Esthier on November 3, 2011 at 4:09 AM
Islamic sympathizers simply do not understand the growing Islamist threat. Read the Koran, stupid. It says “kill the infidel” and that probably means you. Murder is murder and it is evil. Make the connection.
chai on November 3, 2011 at 6:51 AM
Perhaps the ultimate weapon against Iran would be to have a cargo plane dump a load of MoTunes on Teheran including some new ones depicting Mo’s harem as a pigsty featuring that young star Little Miss Aisha (the six year old ‘bride’ who was raped by Mo when she was nine).
Annar on November 3, 2011 at 7:18 AM
Not one commenter has written the word “Mohammed” in their posts…curious.
albill on November 3, 2011 at 7:25 AM
…along with, if that women hadn’t worn that short skirt she never would have been raped…if that little girl’s mother hadn’t put those pretty curls in her hair she wouldn’t have been…
right2bright on November 3, 2011 at 7:35 AM
Good point. “Winning! Mohammed”
MikeA on November 3, 2011 at 7:39 AM
This fits right in with the “She wore provocative clothing so she deserved to get raped” schtick!
wirebitersmith on November 3, 2011 at 8:14 AM
If blacks didn’t look at our white women the wrong way, we wouldn’t have these lynchings.
Why can’t they just behave?
TallDave on November 3, 2011 at 8:38 AM
http://travel.usatoday.com/hotels/story/2011-11-02/Hotel-guests-recruited-with-Homeland-Security-TV-spots/51032602/1?loc=interstitialskip
What if you see a specific nationality with a specific primarily Middle Eastern religion doing “something” suspicious?
Would they actually do something or would you be called a “fearmonger” or “religious hater” or a “nativist” by the press that would inevitably hunt you down and show up on your front lawn.
God help us survive.
PappyD61 on November 3, 2011 at 8:44 AM
And yet, no mention of bashing Christians…
jeffn21 on November 3, 2011 at 8:50 AM
Hypothesis: so he can deny to himself that he is a coward.
A lot of Progressiveism is rationalization away of uncomfortable truths.
LarryD on November 3, 2011 at 9:09 AM
Did AllahP mean to say in the last line “And if there is not…” instead of “And if there is…”?
Czarkazm on November 3, 2011 at 9:58 AM
Once you have to limit how you practice a right or liberty then it is no longer a right or liberty.
JohnnyL on November 3, 2011 at 10:00 AM
Curious that you didn’t comment on this…
blink on November 3, 2011 at 10:19 AM
‘Journalism’ is supposed to seek the truth (I know, no flames, I said “supposed to”) – unlike ‘propaganda’ which serves an ideology. Tempering your ‘journalism’ by considering its consequences is the surest way to turn it into propaganda. Choose a side, Time guy, truth or ideology.
Knott Buyinit on November 3, 2011 at 10:34 AM
If we keep bowing down to and allowing the Muslims to intimidate so no bad is ever said about their false Profit. I do not look good in a turban and have no intention of changing from A Christian. It is time to clean house. Any Muslim who is not a Citizen get out. If they are a citizen and get in trouble pull their citizenship papers and deport them.
old war horse on November 3, 2011 at 11:08 AM
And I bet the MSM will not comment on the Muslim students who beat a Christian Egyptian to death because he was wearing a cross. What if students at Catholic U took the same attitude? Hmmmmm, then the liberals would be in more that a tizzy. Of course, I have not read of one single Christian anywhere beating any Mohammed-loving person to death. So, I rest my case, liberals.
chai on November 3, 2011 at 12:01 PM
Right on.
listens2glenn on November 3, 2011 at 12:11 PM
People actually read Time magazine?
woodNfish on November 3, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Spy#67 calling AlQueda base. One of the hotair.com posters by name of albill, just used the name of our glorius prophet Mohammed in a post . . . . . . . . . . . . . . awaiting instructions.
listens2glenn on November 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Since I am not a Muslim, and therefore not bound by their ridiculous laws on images of a warmongering pedophile, I can draw or create other images of Mohammed as much as I want. If they don’t want to look upon my sixth-grade drawing ability, then fine. That’s their business. Who are they to suggest that I abide by the commandments of their religion, much less order it by threat of bombing or beheading?
Ryan Anthony on November 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM
Mohammed, Mohammmed, Mohammed.
Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
Buddha, Buddha, Buddha.
Any others? I am not too up to speed on religions…
ATTN: Alquedabase- My “albill” nom de plume is an anagram for my secret name. Hint: It starts with one of the letters in “albill”.
And “listens2glenn” – the word is spelled “glorious”. Mohammed going to be upset with you for bad spelling!
Still amazed at how few commenters here did not use the word Mohammed in the their remarks. Muslim fear in the heartland!
albill on November 3, 2011 at 1:01 PM
And other than the headline, even Hot Air did not use the word Mohammed in their lengthy commentary…
albill on November 3, 2011 at 1:08 PM
And if there is, tell me — who do I need to kill, literally, to get preferred treatment too?
You want a list?
Let’s start with Joy Behar, and the insufferably arrogant Brian Williams. Let’s kill them in the name of Judeo-Christian/Tea Party values, and then let’s see the MSM accuse anyone who uses the phrase “Teabagger” of stupidly inciting violence.
ardenenoch on November 3, 2011 at 1:20 PM
Doh! Allah, forgive me.
listens2glenn on November 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM
I wonder if this tool would feel the same way if Christians resorted to violence when their religion was attacked. That guy that created the so called art called “Christ in urine” did he deserve some religious justice?
SGinNC on November 3, 2011 at 3:04 PM