Rasmussen: Cain still riding high in South Carolina

posted at 2:45 pm on November 2, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, the Des Moines Register reported that the allegations of misconduct at a trade group in the 1990s didn’t seem to be bothering Iowa caucus-goers, although their evidence was anecdotal.  Today, Rasmussen takes a more scientific approach to another key primary state, and finds much the same thing:

Businessman Herman Cain leads the GOP field in South Carolina with former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney 10 points behind. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is the only other candidate with double-digit support. The survey was conducted on Tuesday night following two days of media coverage concerning allegations of sexual harassment against Cain.

In polling conducted before the latest allegations, Cain led in Iowa  with Romney second, while Romney led in New Hampshire  with Cain in second place.

The first Rasmussen Reports poll of South Carolina’s Likely Republican Primary Voters shows Cain with 33% support, Romney at 23% and Gingrich at 15%. Texas Governor Rick Perry earns nine percent (9%) of the likely primary vote, Texas Congressman Ron Paul five percent (5%) and Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann two percent (2%). Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum and former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman each pick up one percent (1%), as does “some other candidate.” Ten percent (10%) remain undecided.

It’s not that respondents didn’t know about the Politico story.  Forty-three percent say they followed it “very closely,” with another 33% “somewhat closely.”  Three quarters of respondents correctly identified Cain as the candidate at the center of the controversy.  Whatever else this says about the poll, it’s not an uninformed sample.

Maybe the bigger news here is that Romney’s running ahead of everyone else for second place — and by a wide margin.  South Carolina is considered a conservative, evangelical state in which Southerners expect to do well.  A Northeastern moderate isn’t supposed to perform well, and yet Romney is ahead of two other Southerners, Newt Gingrich (by eight) and Rick Perry (by fourteen).  Second-place finishes in Iowa and South Carolina wouldn’t be as good as wins in either or both for Romney, but they would probably be impressive enough for him to build momentum out of expected wins in New Hampshire and Michigan.

Romney gets more good news in another question asking whether his nomination would generate support for a third-party bid.  Only 13% said they would be “very likely” to vote for such a candidate, and only another 17% said “somewhat likely.”  With passions their highest as the primaries approach, that doesn’t look too bad for Romney or the GOP.

Another surprise is how poorly social conservatives Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum are faring.  Santorum never really caught fire, so his low standing is less of a surprise.  Bachmann, though, had at one time captured the attention of the Tea Party grassroots, which are particularly strong in the Palmetto State.  She’s now getting less than the margin of error in the polling.

Cain’s got support from which to draw, and it’s not running for the hills at the first attack.  Whether it sticks depends on how well Cain can do in shifting the narrative back to the campaign issues.

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This “scandal” wont hurt Cain unless it goes on to long, I think most people are willing to give him some slack. The debates will matter more, how he does in the next foreign policy debate will be huge.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Buh bye bachmann and santorum

cmsinaz on November 2, 2011 at 2:52 PM

People have stopped listening to the media.

darwin on November 2, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Dont know if this tweet is true but will have a big impact if true

@johnnydollar01johnny dollar

MT @tamaraholder: I bet NRA/Cain offer woman new settlement 2 keep quiet; that’s why her atty said he’d respond tomorrow. Deal in the making

William Amos on November 2, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Why, oopsie again.

katy the mean old lady on November 2, 2011 at 2:53 PM

I think most people, upon learning the “facts” of the Cain smear, are withholding judgement for now. Full disclosure: I’m one of them.

Cain/Romney 2012. heh.

Mord on November 2, 2011 at 2:53 PM

This “scandal” wont hurt Cain unless it goes on to long, I think most people are willing to give him some slack. The debates will matter more, how he does in the next foreign policy debate will be huge.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 2:51 PM

The only way it goes on any longer is if there’s something to it. If it’s a non-story as it appears to be at the moment, then it’ll either do no harm or actually help him. If the drive-bys think they can just run endless front page stories with no smoking gun(i.e. “macaca” 2.0), they’re in for a rude awakening. The conservative base is much more engaged and PO’d than they were in 2006 and this kind of crap won’t fly.

Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Buh bye bachmann and santorum
cmsinaz on November 2, 2011 at 2:52 PM

They’ll go. Perry will peel off when his Texas backers get tired of throwing good money after bad. Til then he can Huntsman his way through and have hisself a good ol’ time.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Newt…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on November 2, 2011 at 2:58 PM

LOL… why poll to ask respondents when the story is still developing?

Heck, if I was a Cain supporter, of course I wouldn’t jump ship the very day or week the story broke.

What some forget is that Perry’s former supporters, who are now on the Cain train, didn’t jump ship until several weeks after Perry’s not-so-good debate performances.

So let’s give them some time to find out a little bit more about the angel they don’t know.

Prediction: They won’t like what they find and they will run back to the ‘devil’ they do know. Perry might not be as exciting as Cain but he is a known quantity.

This is how McCain won the last primaries.

:)

TheRightMan on November 2, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Exactly, or even if the allegations are totally false but the women talk and lie about it, well then Cain has a big problem.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 3:00 PM

The only way it goes on any longer is if there’s something to it. If it’s a non-story as it appears to be at the moment, then it’ll either do no harm or actually help him. If the drive-bys think they can just run endless front page stories with no smoking gun(i.e. “macaca” 2.0), they’re in for a rude awakening. The conservative base is much more engaged and PO’d than they were in 2006 and this kind of crap won’t fly.
Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 2:56 PM

And I think even the general public gets tired of the same ol’, same ol’ being served up as “news”.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Is there anything published yet that goes beyond “not overtly sexual but made someone uncomfortable”?

Jason Coleman on November 2, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Hooah! Nail meet Hammer. I theorize that most pundits/insiders see 2010 as some kind of fluke. I, and many people I know, are very recent first-time voters in the 30-40 age demographic.

Mord on November 2, 2011 at 3:01 PM

People have stopped listening to the media.

darwin on November 2, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Bill Clinton made sexual harrassment okay. The media is utterly predictable and just a little too eager. And Cain is not acting like a guilty man.

DaydreamBeliever on November 2, 2011 at 3:02 PM

I think that unless he acutally touched the women or threatened to fire them if they didn’t sleep with him, there isn’t much that she could say that would make much difference. We’ve all worked with men who joke around and forget they’re at work. I’m as prudish as they come and hate vulgarity, but I would never try to destroy a man I worked with because he let slip a vulgar word or comment.

Rose on November 2, 2011 at 3:05 PM

And I think even the general public gets tired of the same ol’, same ol’ being served up as “news”.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 3:00 PM

I think the general public is tired of innuendo. To borrow a phrase, don’t just sing it, bring it. It’s been nearly 3 days since this “story” broke. If this woman’s got something to say, fine. If there were other witnesses who can corroborate what went down, fine. If it’s the kind of thing that could cause irreparable harm to Cain’s political career, fine. But release the details, back them up with either facts or incontrovertible testimony, and let the chips fall where they may. I’m getting more than a little tired of so-called sources or pundits hinting at something insidious but having no names or details when pressed.

Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Is it time to vote yet?

Khun Joe on November 2, 2011 at 3:07 PM

I can’t believe Republicans are this stupid to support this unvetted, lying, unknowledgable fraud.

We have conservatives in this race. Santorum, for one.

bigred on November 2, 2011 at 3:09 PM

I can’t believe Republicans are this stupid to support this unvetted, lying, unknowledgable fraud.

bigred on November 2, 2011 at 3:09 PM

Hey, go easy on Newt.

/

As for Santorum, if he was gonna gain any traction, he would’ve done so by now. He’s been decent at the debates, but what compelling reason is there to support him? He got trounced in 2006 in his reelection bid. He has no private sector record to run on. And he was in office when the GOP began spending like drunken sailors. Plus he’s not exactly the most appealing personality which like it or not is important to voters.

Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Even IF Herman Cain behaved inappropriately (BIG BIG IF) . . . WTF does this have to do with his policy preferences?

Stupid story. Can we get back on topic please?

exdeadhead on November 2, 2011 at 3:13 PM

I do think the problem with Santorum is his personality. He is a good man but he always looks like he just sucked on a lemon. If another candidate is strong on the issues and more likable, that person will get the support.

Rose on November 2, 2011 at 3:14 PM

People have stopped listening to the media.

darwin on November 2, 2011 at 2:53 PM

You think so? We wouldn’t have the empty suit currently in the White House if that were true.

Look, my dear friend, the only people paying attention now are political junkies like you and me.

When the entire electorate wakes up, Mr. Cain better pray that this case is buried and forgotten. Most of that electorate will take their news from the MSM and will not bother reading through blogs to get the nuances of the story.

TheRightMan on November 2, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Cain leads Robamny by 7!! CNN poll!

DanaSmiles on November 2, 2011 at 3:17 PM

A Northeastern moderate isn’t supposed to perform well, and yet Romney is ahead of two other Southerners,

Uggh,One far left liberal (huntsman not on anyone’s radar), all the rest conservatives.

Still white bread Romney is running second and far behind.

All the other candidates’s voters will go for Cain once their candiddate drops out.

So that’s 23 percent for Romney, 5 percent for Ron Paul (no he won’t get out of the race and if he does, his whacky supporters won’t vote for anyone left.) and 73 percent for Cain.

Race card destoyed, Liberalism done, NeoCons reduced to nothing.

Im glad Romney/Rove/Foxnews. used the “sexual harrassment” thing on Cain now because A–no one thinks what happened is sexual harrassment B– Obama’s campaign can’t reuse it for the general election. …it will be old news.

LeeSeneca on November 2, 2011 at 3:17 PM

God bless Herb Cain for filling the enormous void of unintentional hilarity and incompetence following palin’s inexorable slide to obscurity. :D

benny shakar on November 2, 2011 at 3:25 PM

But release the details, back them up with either facts or incontrovertible testimony, and let the chips fall where they may. I’m getting more than a little tired of so-called sources or pundits hinting at something insidious but having no names or details when pressed.

Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Drudge is now reporting that the woman has become “wary” of telling her story.

Hmmm….not that I necessarily blame her…but still.

Lily on November 2, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Bill Clinton taught us that this is really none of our business.

SouthernGent on November 2, 2011 at 3:26 PM

And I think even the general public gets tired of the same ol’, same ol’ being served up as “news”.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 3:00 PM

I think the general public is tired of innuendo. To borrow a phrase, don’t just sing it, bring it. It’s been nearly 3 days since this “story” broke. If this woman’s got something to say, fine. If there were other witnesses who can corroborate what went down, fine. If it’s the kind of thing that could cause irreparable harm to Cain’s political career, fine. But release the details, back them up with either facts or incontrovertible testimony, and let the chips fall where they may. I’m getting more than a little tired of so-called sources or pundits hinting at something insidious but having no names or details when pressed.
Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 3:06 PM

True, you can only recycle non-stories for so long before their short newscycle shelf-life expires.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM

This “scandal” will never be over, but don’t blame the victim here.

The playbook to destroy a newcomer is a constant new layer of the onion peeled back every day.

Niki Haley got dunked that way too.

No matter what Cain says about the 13 year old complaints, he will be faced with more questions and more questions on the assumption that he has hid something of his Monster past from the normal white folks.

Those darkies always do this stuff you know….and you do remember the skin color and hair color of that serial adulterer Haley, don’t you?

jimw on November 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM

All the other candidates’s voters will go for Cain once their candiddate drops out.

So that’s 23 percent for Romney, 5 percent for Ron Paul (no he won’t get out of the race and if he does, his whacky supporters won’t vote for anyone left.) and 73 percent for Cain.

LeeSeneca on November 2, 2011 at 3:17 PM

You know, you are the perfect person I’ve been looking for to sell my unicorn to. :)

I said it this morning. Cainiacs should not deceive themselves into thinking that the entire GOP electorate or the country will join them in drinking the Cain kool aid.

Obama managed to win despite being an empty suit because the media backed him. Cain won’t have that luxury.

Repeat that to yourself a 100x if needs be.

How many well-placed ads questioning Cain’s political experience do you think it will take to make the electorate jump off the train into either Romney or Obama’s arms?

:)

TheRightMan on November 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Herman Cain is not ready for prime time. You know that.

That is the problem, more than any specific policy question that he doesn’t know how to answer. In your heart, you know he’s an accident waiting to happen–and maybe this lawsuit flap is that accident already.

Besides, being the former head of a Federal Reserve Bank (Kansas City) should disqualify him from consideration as the last “conservative” choice.

Palin 2012. Now More Than Ever.(TM)

Emperor Norton on November 2, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Drudge is now reporting that the woman has become “wary” of telling her story.
Hmmm….not that I necessarily blame her…but still.
Lily on November 2, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Yeah, apparently it’s her former lawyer who’s trying to drag her into this, for whatever reason.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Gingrich isn’t doing so bad, at 15 – just 8 points behind Romney – particularly when Romney seems to have a well-established ceiling of around 25, while Gingrich has been slowly & steadily creeping up in key-state & national polls.

BCrago66 on November 2, 2011 at 3:32 PM

HERMAN CAIN dragged her into this by not being honest and forthright about what really happened.

He has changed his story a dozen times already.

CAIN IS A LIAR. What the hell is wrong with you people?

There is zero evidence Cain is actually a conservative. He flip-flops on every issue. It’s impossible to know where he really stands.

The Democrats will eat him alive.

bigred on November 2, 2011 at 3:33 PM

People have stopped listening to the media.

darwin on November 2, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Stopped listening to who ?

ColdWarrior57 on November 2, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Yeah, apparently it’s her former lawyer who’s trying to drag her into this, for whatever reason.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 3:30 PM

I see little benefit, and considerable legal detriment, coming to one of the accusers who chooses to tell her story to the media. That lawyer – who seems to be sacrificing his client’s interests to his own – might want to contact his liability carrier.

BCrago66 on November 2, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Yeah, apparently it’s her former lawyer who’s trying to drag her into this, for whatever reason.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Yeah, I can’t imagine what rea$on her lawyer could po$$ibly have for trying to get her to $peak. $omeone help me out with thi$.

Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Yeah, apparently it’s her former lawyer who’s trying to drag her into this, for whatever reason.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Yeah, I can’t imagine what rea$on her lawyer could po$$ibly have for trying to get her to $peak. $omeone help me out with thi$.

Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Makes a lot of cents to me!
:D

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Even though Cain wins another poll, all roads lead back to that non-story. (no facts have come forth)

35k is peanuts in settlement money. Can’t be much there folks.

balkanmom on November 2, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Yeah, apparently it’s her former lawyer who’s trying to drag her into this, for whatever reason.
whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 3:30 PM

I see little benefit, and considerable legal detriment, coming to one of the accusers who chooses to tell her story to the media. That lawyer – who seems to be sacrificing his client’s interests to his own – might want to contact his liability carrier.
BCrago66 on November 2, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Yup. I suspect the consultant-pollster Wilson shot his own foot, too, in coming out with his story.

whatcat on November 2, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Yeah, I can’t imagine what rea$on her lawyer could po$$ibly have for trying to get her to $peak. $omeone help me out with thi$.

Doughboy on November 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Perhaps he has a finely developed sense of patriotism.

/

Lily on November 2, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Romney = 23%
Not-Romney = 65% (Cain, Newt, Perry, Bachmann, Santorum combined)

Oh yeah, Romney’s killing it in SC.

Mitt Romney will not be our nominee if 2/3 of voters are saying “No thank you.”

free-thinker on November 2, 2011 at 3:45 PM

free-thinker on November 2, 2011 at 3:45 PM

Why not? Thats exactly how McCain won. The second tier wont get out, they will divide the vote, Romney has the money and organization, hes going to most likely be the winner. It just is what it is. The primary schedule favors him as do the rules, some are winner take all states, some are proportional. Put that together, its his and he knows it.

nswider on November 2, 2011 at 3:48 PM

bigred on November 2, 2011 at 3:33 PM

You’re Rick Perry and you support this message. :-)

DanaSmiles on November 2, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Those of us who have lived through several political campaigns have seen this dance many, many times. All of us know that the establishment media is unremittingly hostile to conservatives, and ten times as bad if the candidate is black.

The emotion foremost in my mind when I heard of the story was sheer anger at the media. I suspect I am not alone.

hachiban on November 2, 2011 at 4:03 PM

What this says is sexual harassment has been diluted to a worthless charge.

John the Libertarian on November 2, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Bill Clinton taught us that this is really none of our business.
SouthernGent on November 2, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Not surprised that many of you people – like ol’ Herb himself – still don’t know the difference between a consensual encounter, and harassment.

benny shakar on November 2, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Besides, being the former head of a Federal Reserve Bank (Kansas City) should disqualify him from consideration as the last “conservative” choice.

Palin 2012. Now More Than Ever.(TM)

Emperor Norton on November 2, 2011 at 3:29 PM

That is dumb.

The fed wasn’t blowing money everywhere back when Cain was asked to serve in the federal reserve in the 1990s and he was not in charge of the printing press either. Different times than today.

MikeM on November 2, 2011 at 4:27 PM

What this says is sexual harassment has been diluted to a worthless charge.

John the Libertarian on November 2, 2011 at 4:13 PM

What this might say actually is the media has taken a run at people before with little basis while giving a free pass to others who did far worse. As a person who likes Cain, I want this BS of a story to either end OR to be based in enough fact that we should be spending time on things that happened a number of years ago. If it was harassment, why did an attorney tell his client to settle for so little when they clearly could have done and made so much more money? People are giving this story little validity BECAUSE it doesn’t merit any until more proof (tangible, actual proof) comes forward.

Innocent until proven guilty for Cain, Perry, Romney, heck even Edwards (but we know what happened there).

Cheers!

MikeM on November 2, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Look, Cain has LIED his butt off here. He had 10 days to get his story straight.

He claimed he knew nothing of a settlement. Oops, well, it was an “agreement” so he didn’t think it was a “settlement.” Okay.

BUT now his accusation is against a Perry staffer who worked for Cain in his 2004 Senate bid. Cain says the guy was briefed to expect the story on the settlement – which Cain didn’t know about. The man in question says he was not in any such meeting and never heard about the case until Politico.

So now three women from the NRA had complaints, one not formalized, and one of the incidents had at least one witness who has gone on the record (and who says there were several others and “everybody knew” about it), PLUS the staffers for a conservative Iowa radio talk show host, who confirms it.

Cain has been lying his butt off. Stick a fork in him. He’s DONE.

Adjoran on November 2, 2011 at 9:05 PM