Mark Block: Is Rick Perry going to apologize for this despicable smear or not? Update: A Rahm connection? Update: Accuser wants to issue statement, says lawyer
posted at 9:05 pm on November 2, 2011 by Allahpundit
Three problems here. One: If ever there was a moment to light one up, this was it. Imagine how bad-ass this segment would have been with Block laying into Perry between drags on a Kool. A lost opportunity. Two: He claims that Politico’s using anonymous sources, but that’s not strictly true. They told Cain’s camp the name of at least one of the women and the rest of the media’s had no problem figuring out who they are; according to an ABC story tonight, in fact, “both women are highly respected professionals who have gone on to successful careers in and around government.” If the NRA waives the confidentiality clause in their settlements, we’ll probably hear from one or both of them. Chris Wilson and Steve Deace aren’t anonymous either.
Three: Did I miss something or are they tossing this grenade based on nothing more than the fact of Curt Anderson’s hiring? Granted, the timing of the that hiring roughly coincides with this scandal breaking, but there’s no reason to think rival camps heard about the harassment claims recently. They might have been sitting on them for months and leaked them now because of Cain’s surge in the polls. It’s not as if Anderson was the only insider besides Cain who knew about the settlements either. The NRA’s board members, past and present, probably know, and if you believe Chris Wilson, there were eyewitnesses to some of Cain’s behavior at the time. And as Guy Benson noted earlier, Anderson issued his denial today to … Politico, the same news site that broke this story and the only entity besides Anderson himself who knows if he’s the source or not. Unless they’re willing to print denials which they know for a fact are untrue, then Anderson probably isn’t the source.
Which is not to say that they’re wrong about Perry’s camp being behind this. Remember this summary published last week (also by Politico) about his new rough-and-tumble campaign team?
Perhaps most important, Perry has brought on board a new group of media consultants known for their brass-knuckled tactics and sharp read on the GOP base. Joe Allbaugh, a former top aide to President George W. Bush, added major national heft to the Perry team by signing on as a senior adviser…
Perry’s new consultants are a roster of some of the most nationally seasoned and toughest names in the Republican media world. The [Rick] Scott campaign [on which some of them worked] was among the most searingly negative — and effective — message machines of the 2010 cycle, tearing through two well-liked statewide officeholders with a barrage of self-funded attack ads…
[GOP strategist Alex Castellanos] warned: “Perry won’t just go negative. He’ll make your television bleed and beg for mercy.”
One Republican operative familiar with the work of Perry’s new team expressed concern that the coming campaign could be so negative as to “jeopardize the general election.”
Anderson is one of the aides named in the piece. How interesting that Politico was looking ahead to Team Perry going nuclear on the opposition at the same time they were working on the big Cain harassment scoop. Having said that, a Perry spokesman denies that they had anything to do with it and instead is pointing the finger at Romney, although the only evidence they have is the fact that the guy who succeeded Cain at the NRA donated to Romney’s campaign this year. (He also donated to Cain’s Senate campaign in 2004.) All of which leaves us … I don’t know where.
Exit question: If Team Cain is looking to use this story to destroy a rival, shouldn’t they be aiming at Romney instead of the guy who’s now in single digits? Or is there some sort of informal alliance here against Perry?
Update: Via Mediaite, the “all-star panel” wasn’t impressed with Block’s performance.
Update: C’mon now. This story can’t possibly be this juicy:
According to a source who is friends with the Cain campaign, not only is the Rick Perry campaign involved but also the Mayor of Chicago and former Obama White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is likely involved with the sexual harassment accuser attacks. A friend of the Cain campaign believes a National Restaurant Association (NRA) employee out of the Chicago office leaked the story to the Perry campaign via information and influence from Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s office.
Update: Just to make this a smidge murkier, the lawyer for one of Cain’s accusers said she won’t go public with her story — but does want to issue a statement through him, if the NRA will let her.
“She certainly wanted to say something counter to what Mr. Cain has been saying,” he said, adding that he hoped the statement would help restore her reputation and validate the claims she made at the time.
“As of now, my expectation is that it will not go into details about the incident. She does not want to do that,” he said. “This is a statement that she feels sets forth her position in a fair and honest way.”
Mr. Bennett said he would like to issue the statement tomorrow. He said if the association refused to grant permission, “I’ll be issuing a statement that the negotiations has failed and I hope the media will put pressure on them to change their position.”









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REPORTER: Mr. Cain … is there any truth to these sexual harassment allegations?
SAINT HERMAN: LOOK! It’s Rick Perry and Rahm Emmanuel in a BLACK HELICOPTER!
LOL Cain.
HondaV65 on November 3, 2011 at 8:55 AM
Whether they fit, or not, this cycle is irrelevant at this time. I think Cain, Gingrich or Perry would be just fine. Romney, not so much but would take him over Obama.
You support Perry and that is fine. But you cannot dismiss the other candidates until there are some votes cast. As much as I would like to remove Bachman, Huntsman, Paul and Santorum to give the remaining candidates more space, I cannot do that either.
cozmo on November 3, 2011 at 8:56 AM
Cain denied the allegations. No equivocating the fact. And without concrete evidence, we move on to an endless game of “he said/she said” which is what all sexual harassment allegations pretty much amount to.
RepubChica on November 3, 2011 at 9:04 AM
he did?? which retraction/clarification/re-iteration was that?? im having trouble keeping track of what he has said on this issue.
chasdal on November 3, 2011 at 9:07 AM
Okay, from a radio report…Cain did not remember the settlements but did remember that he told a 2004 campaign worker(that now works for Perry) about the settlements?
I liked Cain even after he exclusively crapped on Perry out of all the republican candidates. I liked Cain after he crapped on Perry over chupachudi’s rock. I liked Cain after his foreign policy gaffs (I figured he could always appoint Bolton). Heck, I liked Cain before he became a front runner. Its getting harder to like Cain. Cain is blaming his problem on Perry and Cain supporters are lapping it up.
cozmo on November 3, 2011 at 9:08 AM
So it’s ok that Perry did it to Mitt….hummm
tinkerthinker on November 3, 2011 at 9:09 AM
I’m going by the uber-painful Greta Van Susteran interview he did Monday night and that one alone. I’m not sure about what he said in other interviews…did he backtrack on that specifically in any way?
RepubChica on November 3, 2011 at 9:12 AM
Reality… they say… bites!
Starting January, some of the lower tier candidates will start dropping out. I wish, as conservatives, we had the luxury to play around with the Not-Romneys until they are whittled down to one candidate.
Unfortunately, we don’t!
The Not-Romney must win either or both of Iowa and SC to remain competitive as Romney sweeps the more liberal bastions. Romney needs the field split long enough to render those early wins meaningless. I daresay he needs Cain in it just until SC.
If he can keep Perry from winning Iowa and/or SC then it will be game over, I’m afraid. Cain will be quickly labelled as not experienced enough and he will have little organization to compete in the other states and it all boils down to getting out the vote.
Who wins by default? Romney, of course.
Conservatives will realize too late that they’ve been played as Cain/Bachmann/Santorum all quickly pull behind Romney and tell us to hold our noses and vote for him. Suddenly, Gardasil and the Texas Dream Act and the 100% purity test will matter no more to them.
TheRightMan on November 3, 2011 at 9:12 AM
You do remember Clinton, Sanford, and Weiner all initially denying the allegations, right? Until the last fact drops, then they go crying in front of the cameras asking us to forgive them.
One allegation against Cain, I can live with. But three (or is it four) and counting gives me enough pause. I also see him focusing more on who leaked the story than on what the story was.
Don’t you also find it a tad surprising that he saw the incidents as big enough to prepare against during his 2004 Senate run but not his 2011 presidential run?
TheRightMan on November 3, 2011 at 9:17 AM
so basically when you hear the answer you like all previous and future versions are moot?? my point is that the guy has been “revising” since day one. and day one was this:
reporter – have you ever sexually harassed a woman?
cain – have you ever sexually harassed a woman?
with a start like that it was painfully obvious this was another cain trainwreck about to happen.
chasdal on November 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM
Actually no and I wish they hadn’t.
But my original point was between the Cain/Perry people.
gophergirl on November 3, 2011 at 9:20 AM
Yep and that is his plan. Prime objective one: deliver his supporters to Romney.
First, it was the Palin supporters blaming Perry for keeping Palin out of the race. Then Bachmann blames Perry for her campaign missteps. Now Cain…
For someone labelled “dumb”, he sure has his hand in a lot of jars…
Their goal is to work their supporters against him to the extent that it shifts from Anyone but Romney to Anyone but Perry.
Sad. Isn’t it?
TheRightMan on November 3, 2011 at 9:21 AM
That is why it is important to find out who leaked the story, if no other reason than to clear our candidates of any wrong doing.
tinkerthinker on November 3, 2011 at 9:24 AM
It’s “despicable” to get the TRUTH out there now? Really? Tell me one untruth that Politico reported. There were NONE. The report was factual. It was not a smear. Everything Politico reported actually happened: they reported that two women complained, that they got a pay-out, and that at least one was in the five figure range. ALL true. Thank God the truth came out now instead of later becuase we sure as heck can’t rely on Cain to tell us the truth. All he’s done is gotten caught in one lie after another these last three days.
It matters not a whit “who” tipped off Politico, all that matters is : did Cain harrass several women?, how will Cain handle future crises as POTUS when he can’t handle this minor one?, and will Cain tell the truth when he hasn’t for three days? THAT’s what matters.
Whoever tipped off Politico is a hero.
Aslans Girl on November 3, 2011 at 9:27 AM
tinkerthinker on November 3, 2011 at 9:24 AM
What would the “wrong-doing” be exactly? Getting the TRUTH out to voters? How utterly dastardly of them!
Aslans Girl on November 3, 2011 at 9:29 AM
Unless, Perry’s camp actually knows it was Mitt ;)
Aslans Girl on November 3, 2011 at 9:30 AM
I’m doing a two-for-one here…RightMan, I don’t understand why they weren’t better “prepared” for this, I got nothing for ya there. Nothing, unless they wanted to look like bloody amateurs with their heads cut off. This situation is too messy though…there’s no pretty in any of it. Even with advance prep it’s bound to get awkward and embarrassing.
Chasdal–No, I don’t have selective hearing. But I’m not gonna judge Cain by his initial defensive reaction after that rude, point-blank probe by that reporter–that’s a human response, and any “sexual harassment” implications require a more complex and measured response, particularly with the legal technicalities involved.
RepubChica on November 3, 2011 at 9:31 AM
That part is getting out…I want the rest of the story, too.
tinkerthinker on November 3, 2011 at 9:34 AM
Cain has demonstrated these last few days that he can NEVER be a “decent candidate”, furthermore, he does NOT want to be! He wanted to become famous and help Romney. He’s the dog who caught the car, the Dwarves who mined too deep into Moria, the Greek legend who flew too close to the sun.
Aslans Girl on November 3, 2011 at 9:36 AM
Except Curt Anderson claims he had never heard these claims until the Politico article. Which tells me that either Curt Anderson is lying about that (certainly a distinct possibility), or Herman Cain is.
But Mr Anderson (Neo) has pretty well been cleared by Politico printing his denial, which they know, pretty damn clearly, is either true or false. That they printed it, tells me it is true.
Now, let us examine the Herman Cain side of the equation. It was pretty evident, from the start with Geraldo, that Cain’s advisers hadn’t been briefed on this. If they had, they’d have had a story… any story… prepared, and been prepared to stick with it.
They didn’t.
Which tells me that Herman Cain didn’t tell them about this at all beforehand. Which makes it very believable that he never told Curt Anderson about this either. Which tells me in the either-or question of who is lying about this, the answer is, in all likelihood, Herman Cain.
Now, what is it that Herman Cain wants so desperately hidden, that he is not only weasling the voters, but he is keeping hidden from his campaign team, and lying about doing so?
JohnGalt23 on November 3, 2011 at 9:36 AM
But IMO they should rise above the finger pointing and if they have proof it was him – show it.
I think it’s sleazy what Cain did to Perry but them doing it to Romney isn’t good either.
JMHO and all that.
gophergirl on November 3, 2011 at 9:37 AM
politico contacted him 10 days before they ran the story to get comments, etc. they got nothing from cain. and when that reporter asked the question him not answering “no, i have never sexually harassed a woman” is the right answer. that he didnt give that answer is troubling.that he has a different version every few hours is more troubling. but buy into the version he told greta that contradicts what he said earlier that same day. if that is the version you want to believe by all means do so.
chasdal on November 3, 2011 at 9:37 AM
Yes, Perry is my governor and I have been aware of him since his first run for AgCom. The Perry these folks are describing is not the Perry that Texans know. I am not a fan of Perry and supported Medina in the last gubernatorial primary, but even as a short air force puke type of guy, he is head and shoulders above Romney governing wise.
I suspected that Cain was a stalking horse for Romney since Cain went after Perry specifically. That however did not sway my support for Cain. As for Palin and Bachman supporters blaming Perry, that is their own fault and not a conspiracy.
cozmo on November 3, 2011 at 9:43 AM
Thank you for being so generous…I just might do that. At this point I would like to hear from the ladies and see the original claims, I’m not about them being muzzled. I’ll be fair in my opinion of Cain’s actions.
John Galt, you may have a point–if Cain kept his advisers/people in the dark, it’s just bad, bad politics and unfair. Unfair to everyone, including his supporters.
RepubChica on November 3, 2011 at 9:44 AM
When you are on the way to swaying a true uncommitted voter, you don’t have to rub salt into the wounds caused by the candidate that person supported.
cozmo on November 3, 2011 at 9:46 AM
Since Ed is not updating the post, here we go:
Update: Perry Adviser: Never Talked to Cain About Charges
Hmmm…
TheRightMan on November 3, 2011 at 10:02 AM
I’m sick of the innuendo – out with it all, already, and let the people decide.
disa on November 3, 2011 at 10:04 AM
wow i wake up late this am and i see this….
cain, cain, cain….
*shaking the head*
cya
cmsinaz on November 3, 2011 at 10:14 AM
Whenever a lawyer says something you should do two things right away: Assume they are lying and put your hand on your wallet.
Extrafishy on November 3, 2011 at 10:17 AM
From streiff at Redstate:
Hmmm…
TheRightMan on November 3, 2011 at 10:23 AM
More salt.
a capella on November 3, 2011 at 10:24 AM
It is also interesting that former campaign communications director for Cain also received a cash settlement. I found it rather odd that she resigned to move to a campaign with just a few weeks to go to election day.
Kermit on November 3, 2011 at 10:31 AM
The only conclusion that I can come to after Cain’s baseless accusations against Perry – that he is a racist and that he is behind this story – is that Cain hates southern white men. Good luck winning the election without them, bubba.
besser tot als rot on November 3, 2011 at 10:34 AM
And I’m not saying that Perry is not behind this story, but I am saying that there is less evidence that Perry is behind it than there is that Cain is guilty of sexual harassment.
besser tot als rot on November 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM
He didn’t deny any of the allegations in the Politico story. Name one.
Politico said he had two complaints filed against him – check!
Politico said settlements were paid – check!
And yeah – sexual harassment stuff is often “he said / she said” – but right now – we only have the “he said” and that’s not enough. Nor will it be the only thing forthcoming. Truth’s coming out.
Every day … almost every hour – a new stone is laid on the tomb of the Cain campaign.
Can’t wait to see what todays revelations will be!
HondaV65 on November 3, 2011 at 10:41 AM
I’m sorry to all the Cain supporters out there, but a history of being accused of sexual harassment is indeed material to a candidate’s fitness for being POTUS (if you don’t believe so, I’m sure that you were staunch defenders of Clinton, right?).
If there is nothing to this story, Cain should have been prepared to respond in a coherent manner. Instead, he is just flailing around. I really don’t understand what the hell he is doing.
besser tot als rot on November 3, 2011 at 10:41 AM
Now you went and did it, chupachudi is going to be all over this. And where chupachudi goes whatta’sillycattoy is sure to follow.
cozmo on November 3, 2011 at 10:42 AM
So … you’re not buying into the whole “Rick Perry and Raum Emmanuel flying around in a Black Helicopter with nooses hanging off the landing gear along with thermite explosives?”
Damn – what WILL IT TAKE TO CONVINCE YOU MAN???
/
HondaV65 on November 3, 2011 at 10:42 AM
I have never understood the basis for Cain’s antipathy towards Perry and his love for Mitt. He’s never missed a chance to take a whack. Can anyone explain this? It can’t be ideological.
a capella on November 3, 2011 at 10:48 AM
i don’t get it either
cmsinaz on November 3, 2011 at 10:53 AM
You don’t like my theory?
besser tot als rot on November 3, 2011 at 10:54 AM
i can’t imagine that…
cmsinaz on November 3, 2011 at 10:55 AM
Cain, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Welcome to primetime.
NoStoppingUs on November 3, 2011 at 10:57 AM
You know, it’s not the allegations that upset me. It’s the Cain response that’s disappointing. If anything, he’s proven to me he’s not ready to be President. He’s surrounded himself with folks who have terrible judgement, and he clearly has terrible judgement himself. What a shame.
NoStoppingUs on November 3, 2011 at 10:59 AM
If that were true, he wouldn’t have been able to conceal it all these years, although I was a bit surprised when he threw down the race card over this.
a capella on November 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM
My comment is tongue in cheek – but really, what is the explanation? That is pretty much the only reason that I can think of that would make sense.
besser tot als rot on November 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM
Really? Because Chris Wilson is saying he saw it. He says others saw it. Lots of others.
JohnGalt23 on November 3, 2011 at 11:09 AM
I have followed this Cain saga since it began, but not so closely as to allow it to eat a hole in my brain. So if this perspective has been previous mentioned by someone, I beg everyone’s indulgence:
I don’t have an opinion on why Cain or his staff have handled this matter in the manner they have. I cannot say with certainty that I would have done more or less. Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20.
Given the timimg of all of this with regards to the current success of the candidate’s campaign, it seems that the villification of Mr. Cain is reminiscient of the Duke lacrosse case, where everyone’s fun meter went right to “redline” and never moved. Those boys lives were destroyed in the rush to believe something that everyone WANTED to believe, and my “spidey-sense” is telling me the same thing here.
In America, people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. No guilt has been proven in this matter. All the players are too hot and bothered, and too many facts remain to be seen. If Mr. Cain is indeed responsible for this alleged behavior, then he should be held to account.
Herman Cain is my candidate. I hope for our sake, as citizens of the greatest country on Earth, for the sake of our Nation, and with courtesy and respect due to Mr. Cain, we don’t destroy a presidential candidacy and a man’s life, only to find out, later on, that it was all predicated on lies, half-truths, and obfuscations.
grumpy_old_soldier on November 3, 2011 at 11:12 AM
Well, others here have speculated he’s working in collaboration with Mitt with the payoff coming after Mitt is nominated. I haven’t given that much credence, but, considering how unprofessionally he’s handled this little dustup, it tells me he’s as surprised as anyone at his lead in the polls, and hadn’t bothered to set up a first rate staff because he never expected to be in this position. That line of thought does support some type of tactical relationship with Mitt’s campaign.
a capella on November 3, 2011 at 11:14 AM
What? Hug a lady and call her “sweetheart” in greeting? You guys better hope there’s a pic of Cain with his pants around his ankles as he clutches his engorged member in one hand or you got nothing. You got innuendo and hearsay. I get some of you guys want to see Cain’s throat torn open and bleeding now! now! now! but take a deep breath…getting really silly here.
RepubChica on November 3, 2011 at 11:22 AM
You may be overgeneralizing a bit. I’m not upset by the charges cuz that’s how the corporate world works today. I’m baffled by the many contradictions and his explanations for the contradictions, as well as his obvious hate for Perry. That interview by Mark Block on Fox News last night was pathetic.
a capella on November 3, 2011 at 11:31 AM
Why on Earth would I hope that? I hope the opposite of that. I hope that it was some PC nonsense.
That doesn’t change the fact that an allegation and settlement for sexual harassment (undisputed facts, not hearsay) is a legitimate issue to explore. When Politico gave him the heads up, he should have gotten in front of the story and dispatched it with haste (i.e., got the actual facts of the incident out there). Instead, he acted like he had no idea that it was coming and then flailed around making accusations even more baseless than the one against him against his competitor.
besser tot als rot on November 3, 2011 at 11:33 AM
It’s very quiet in Anonymous Accuser Land today. I wonder what’s cooking.
DaydreamBeliever on November 3, 2011 at 11:39 AM
That was a turning point for me – after that interview, I am seriously questioning whether or not I can support Cain.
besser tot als rot on November 3, 2011 at 11:41 AM
I think Cain is cooking up a way to blame the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby on Perry.
besser tot als rot on November 3, 2011 at 11:42 AM
Great. Fine by me…now do you think the media’s gonna run a tax/financial check, full background investigation on these women like they would if the accusee was a Liberal?
RepubChica on November 3, 2011 at 11:42 AM
I agree. Why would a person bring this up during a Senate campaign in 2004 but not tell his staff during a Presidential campaign in 2011 after witnessing the trashing that Sarah Palin took from the press?
Either, something to hide or gross incompetence/hubris.
mrsmwp on November 3, 2011 at 11:43 AM
Have u reached puberty yet?
gracie on November 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM
SO far, the biggest story here is that Cain needs to get his act together from a campaign standpoint since this is the first of many, many attacks that will come at him like a flood if he continues as a GOP front-runner. The allegations themselves are really weak — the settled suits say that there was no physical contact nor any overt sexual gestures or language used, but that something made the women “uncomfortable.” This supposed 3rd woman is even weaker and can only say she (if she exists!!) that she thought something he did was “inappropriate and made her uncomfortable.” So the charges are weak stuff. But Cain needs to get a handle on this. I also think he should speak with Palin about how she’s weathered years of witheringly insane and misogynistic attacks that started the very weekend she was announced as the VP candidate.
EasyEight on November 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM
a capella and besser tot…I will not support Cain if his campaign dumped on Perry with no definitive evidence. Very bad politics and a deal breaker for me. Still don’t know what’s going on.
RepubChica on November 3, 2011 at 11:48 AM
gryphon202 on November 3, 2011 at 11:49 AM
are u serving life in prison somewhere, say like Lousinana or Kansas? doesn’t seem like u get out much and have alot of time for dumb stuff….
gracie on November 3, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Honestly, it’s NOT a deal breaker for me, but I think this has been the Cain campaign’s biggest mistake yet. Mark Block had better clam up really soon if he doesn’t want to start losing support measured in real numbers.
gryphon202 on November 3, 2011 at 11:51 AM
So Cain is (rightfully) upset over unsubstantiated complaints against him has threatened his campaign. So in response, he levels unsubstantiated complaints against the Perry campaign. Nice!
I’m a Perry supporter who has been leaning toward Cain, but like others have pointed out, Cain is quick to dump on Perry and make nice with Mitt. It is harder and harder to like Cain.
cartooner on November 3, 2011 at 11:51 AM
No … I’m actually living a life of luxury …
Rent Free …
In your head. :D
HondaV65 on November 3, 2011 at 11:54 AM
Y’know, comments like your last two are the reason these things always degenerate into a food fight. The flow of comments this morning has been pretty civil, even in disagreement and we all are showing respect for each other. What do you hope to gain by just throwing out personal insults?
a capella on November 3, 2011 at 11:55 AM
The other nutballs must be busy somewhere else. gracie is just trying to take up the slack.
cozmo on November 3, 2011 at 12:07 PM
and we’ll know soon enough if that is true. lots of reporters are searching to find anyone that was there that would be willing to go on the record w/ what they saw. even if chris wilson wont name anyone else that was there reporters have plenty of tricks to find names.
chasdal on November 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM
The Cain campaign is to blame just like Husband Kimmell was in December, 1941.
So no whining about Japanese Aircraft carriers or Perry Campaign dirty tricks.
The black man is a step-and-fetch it doofus anyway. Everybody agrees.
jimw on November 3, 2011 at 12:10 PM
I hope that was tongue in cheek, ’cause that’s a nasty thing to say.
EasyEight on November 3, 2011 at 12:14 PM
Believe I’ll call the mod’s attention to this little blurb. We’ll see how much of a sense of humor AP or Ed have regarding racial slurs.
a capella on November 3, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Clearly the pride of the Herman Cain campaign. Asking about puberty, makes me think you are his procurer.
Don’t worry… there’ll be a position of camapign manager opening up… any day now. Just keep making sure his liaisons are all post-pubescent, and you’ll be at the front of the line.
JohnGalt23 on November 3, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Well, I can’t get through on the tip line. Perhaps someone else might notify Ed and AP.
a capella on November 3, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Uhhh, you should realize that jimw, who’s a supporter of Cain, is mocking those who treat him like he is a complete idiot.
Bizarro No. 1 on November 3, 2011 at 12:30 PM
Then he better be a bit more open about it. Many of us don’t keep score on who is in love with which candidate.
a capella on November 3, 2011 at 12:35 PM
It’s intellectual not ideological. Have you seen Perry’s college transcripts? Would you hire a guy with all C’s and D’s?
hanzblinx on November 3, 2011 at 12:35 PM
My scornful line about commenters reasoning Cain to be at fault for being attacked when he should have been ready is calling out the assumption behind such reasoning…which is that a black man must be seen as an incompetent pretender.
The time to assume that is long over.
jimw on November 3, 2011 at 12:37 PM
So, supposedly a woman woke up in Cains bed not knowing how she got there. This is being reported now on twitter:
http://pjmedia.com/blog/breaking-pjm-sources-report-details-of-alleged-cain-incident/
nswider on November 3, 2011 at 12:40 PM
Are you kidding? I would hire a person that had a record of accomplishment and worked their way through college and got C’s and D’s before I would hire someone who got a free ride from their parents and didn’t have much of a resume despite getting straight A’s.
mrsmwp on November 3, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Rush is spending the early part of his show defending Herman Cain’s handling of the bimbo eruptions. Rush seems to think Cain is too decent a man to handle it like Clinton et al. and like some on the right seem to want him to do.
petefrt on November 3, 2011 at 12:43 PM
wow…hit a nerve…guess i was right.
gracie on November 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM
I agree with you that it isn’t ideological. Since I feel the same way about Perry that Cain does apparently does, I’ll tell you what I believe is motivating Herman, at least on some level.
Mitt has shown that he’s capable of engaging in demagoguery, but that doesn’t mean he is a demagogue, just as someone who acts stupidly isn’t necessarily stupid. Perry’s been demagogic as well, but I’ve found that Perry’s demagoguery runs deeper than Mitt’s, to the point that I believe he is a demagogue, and true demagogues cannot be true Conservatives.
Perry has shown that he has a much worse negative streak than Mitt does. The behavior of Perry’s most ardent supporters isn’t changing anyone’s mind who sees this as I do – it’s having the opposite effect, actually. Reasonable people can do more than make personal attacks against those who disagree with them, and I haven’t seen anything other than personal attacks from his most ardent supporters.
And if Perry and/or his supporters want to be taken seriously about the “unfairness” of what Cain’s camp is saying about Perry’s camp, they should straighten out Ray Sullivan first, and get him to sincerely apologize for insinuating that Romney’s camp might be involved with the smear campaign against Cain. How much would you care to bet me that we’ll never see such an apology? :)
Bizarro No. 1 on November 3, 2011 at 1:01 PM
Perry can’t help it and there is nothing he can do about it. His persona is simply noxious to some Southern blacks and always will be.
gracie on November 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM
Good for you. I wonder how long it will take for that comment to be copied onto a lefty blog as proof Hot Air is another Storm Front. Next time, tag it, so it can’t be misused.
a capella on November 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM
Are you a Southern black? How do you know this? You seem so sure.
a capella on November 3, 2011 at 1:12 PM
If Wilson works for Perry, the question is: When is Perry going to fire Wilson? I’m sick to death of all the hand wringing. It was a stupid political hack job and only proves how low some people will stoop. Perry is a jerk.
DanaSmiles on November 3, 2011 at 1:34 PM
I’ve been reading a lot of misinformation and distortions of the facts on these threads.
One, “the Politico story was true. Name one thing that was false. The women did accuse Cain of sexual harassment at the NRA.”
So we are going to parse words here and be disingenuous? The story was false and misleading. Let’s not play games. It was meant to let everyone think that Cain sexually harassed women. That was the point, the innuendo. And it worked.
Even though nothing has been proven by anyone and there haven’t even been any details reported by any of these anonymous sources. No one has any idea what the women claim happened, no less if it is true. And everyone who knows Cain or worked for him praise his integrity and don’t believe the charges. And Cain has behaved like an innocent man, coming forward the first day proclaiming his innocence with no caveats. Even bringing forward new information as he recollected it and his demeanor and words rang true. (for good or for bad as a political move, that is something only someone innocent would do)
Yet, a good man’s reputation has been tarnished which was the point of the piece, and some are gleeful about this, AG even saying the person involved in tipping off Politico is a “hero” and if it is Perry, she likes him even more. Words fail me here, or rather, I don’t want to say anything further.
Secondly, some here are saying that Cain didn’t prepare or brief his staff on this. From the first moment, all of them had the same message. These charges were untrue and Cain has never sexually harassed anyone EVER. They said there were charges back then by one woman (Cain has still never changed that story that he only remembers one) and that the charges were found not to be credible by an investigation.
The only thing that Cain and his staff were not prepared for was the talk about “settlements.”
Which brings me to the third charge. “Cain changed his story.” None of you know what Cain’s people were told 10 days in advance. There were no details about these anonymous charges. He was right not to offer any information to Politico.
They didn’t know what they were responding to and none of us knows if a “settlement” was even mentioned to Cain’s camp or if it was, Cain dismissed it as untrue because he didn’t remember a “settlement.”
In fact, it has been shown that this was NOT a sexual harassment settlement. It was a termination agreement with typical severance that she would have gotten anyway.
Finally, there is some talk about Cain lying that he knew there was a settlement because he says that he told Curt Anderson about the settlement. NO. Cain and Mark Block did NOT say Cain told Anderson about any settlement. They said Cain told him about the charges and the investigation and that he was cleared.
No one has shown that Cain lied about anything and no one has shown that Cain sexually harassed anyone. In fact, Politico changed it’s story to “inappropriate behavior” and NO ONE from any side (including the radio stations story) has yet to tell us exactly what this “inappropriate behavior” was.
Maybe because Cain did nothing even inappropriate, no less sexually harassing. I guarantee that all it was was friendly compliments on appearance, like you look very pretty today or touching someone’s back or shoulder briefly, something Cain (and I) would do to a man or woman. I guarantee that there are no details because 90% of normal sane people out there would find nothing inappropriate.
All that said, I tend to think that Curt Anderson is telling the truth and Cain is not remembering the conversation clearly. That Cain is not perfect and in this firestorm made a mistake is understandable. Yet, I am beginning to think that they have other reasons to suspect things because the whole situation stinks to high heaven.
Other than accusing Anderson and other than Cain’s Gordon going on Geraldo Sunday night, I don’t think Cain and his camp could have proceeded any better than they did and no other candidate would have either.
Elisa on November 3, 2011 at 1:44 PM
It’s turning into a circus, anyone can say Cain did this and Cain did that and the media will just grab on it and run with it. These women wont come forward, there is no proof of complaint, or agreement, its all hearsay.
jaboba on November 3, 2011 at 1:57 PM
I agree with you that Perry can’t help himself.
When you say that his persona is noxious to some Southern blacks, are you saying that his persona is noxious to some Southern blacks because they are astute observers who see that he’s a jerk, or because they believe he’s a jerk who is also racially insensitive and/or racist?
Bizarro No. 1 on November 3, 2011 at 2:02 PM
I understand what you are saying, but his intent was perfectly clear to me, and I would have had that impression even if I didn’t know that jimw supports Cain.
I’m not trying to slam anyone by saying that – it’s just that I enjoy the kind of sarcasm jimw used, so I recognized his point immediately i.e it takes one to know one, I guess! :)
Bizarro No. 1 on November 3, 2011 at 2:12 PM
white aristocrat, plantation and “yes masta”. not jerk, not racist but condescending.
gracie on November 3, 2011 at 2:13 PM
Need an update on this post Allah – appears that Cain’s campaign was lying again when they blamed Perry for the leak via Curt Anderson.
Mark Block just appeared on Fox and pretty much stated he had no facts to support his allegations.
Soo – to all the Cainlusionals who took this as PROOF from their messiah that Perry was involved. Sorry – but you were wrong.
HondaV65 on November 3, 2011 at 2:27 PM
Does Cain come forward, admit his guilt, and drop out of the race then?
Wagers, anyone? The odds?
Cain survives: Yes or No.
Sherman1864 on November 3, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Cain survives.
gracie on November 3, 2011 at 2:42 PM
He’ll deny as perhaps he should. At this point, we don’t know.
No, it won’t destroy his campaign if he’ll keep Mark Block off TV.
a capella on November 3, 2011 at 2:44 PM
Discipline needs to be imposed on Cain and Team now for them to survive and win. Their Brownian motion won’t cut it. Block may have gotten them to this point but now it’s time for more expert management.
gracie on November 3, 2011 at 2:57 PM
Cain camp drops unsubstantiated claim.
Schadenfreude on November 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM
jollybird on November 4, 2011 at 5:18 AM
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