ADP private-sector employment report shows 114K gain in October

posted at 3:25 pm on November 2, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Since the next monthly employment report from the Department of Labor is due on Friday, it’s time for ADP to issue its analysis of private-sector employment for the month, too.  ADP predicted a 91,000 job gain in September and the actual figure from the private sector came in at 137,000, with 34,000 jobs lost in the public sector, although the government’s numbers included the return of 45,000 striking workers who never lost their jobs in the first place.  With that in mind, the ADP report looks rather wan … again:

Employment in the U.S. nonfarm private business sector increased by 110,000 from September to October on a seasonally adjusted basis, according to the latest ADP National Employment Report ® released today. The estimated advance in employment from August to September was revised up to 116,000 from the initially reported 91,000.

Today’s ADP National Employment Report suggests that the recent trend in private employment remains moderate, and probably is below a pace consistent with a stable unemployment rate.  This rate of moderate job creation reflects the sluggish pace of GDP growth exhibited earlier this year.

Manufacturing dropped by 8,000, leading an overall drop of 4,000 in the “goods-producing sector.”  Construction continued to fall.  Small businesses added 58,000 to the overall number, but that’s lower than September’s 64,000.  Large companies shed 1,000 jobs.

Reuters says that this is better than expected, but not by much:

U.S. private employers added more jobs than expected last month, while planned layoffs dropped sharply, underscoring the view the economy is on a path of slow growth.

The ADP National Employment Report showed on Wednesday the economy’s private sector added 110,000 jobs in October, topping economists’ expectations for a gain of 101,000 jobs. ADP also increased September’s job additions, to a gain of 116,000 from the previously reported 91,000.

And the expectations for Friday’s numbers is similarly muted:

The ADP figures come ahead of the government’s much more comprehensive labor market report on Friday, which includes both public and private sector employment.

That report is expected to show a rise in overall nonfarm payrolls of 95,000 last month, based on a Reuters poll of analysts, and a rise in private payrolls of 120,000. The unemployment rate is seen holding steady at 9.1 percent.

ADP is not a terribly correlative indicator, but it usually sets the ballpark environment for the official number two days later.  If the figure for September turns out to be 95K, that represents a backwards move in relation to population growth.  The economy has to add somewhere between 100K-125K jobs a month just to keep up with the number of working-age adults in the general population.  In order to start putting the currently unemployed back to work, we’d need job growth significantly and consistently above that level.  To make up for the six million or so still out of work that had been employed before Obama’s “recovery,” a job growth of 250K each month would take four years to make up that deficit — and we haven’t had that kind of consistent job growth at all.

Basically, this looks like an indicator of continued stagnation and malaise.  We’ll see on Friday how close ADP’s indicator got to reality.

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Obama is fixing everything just like he promised

Drunk Report on November 2, 2011 at 3:26 PM

See? It’s not negative.

Obama is a SCOAMF the greatest President we’ve ever had. Ever.

Good Lt on November 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM

We better off now than we was 4 years ago…../

ted c on November 2, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Employment in the U.S. nonfarm private business sector increased by 110,000 from September to October on a seasonally adjusted basis

I look forward to a 200% increase in the next report provided to us by the Ministry of Plenty.

ted c on November 2, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Ummm aren’t we just starting to enter the busiest retail season of the year? A time known for increases in hiring in mostly temporary roles? I am currently employed but always keep my head on the swivel for new job opportunities and I can tell you there are those seasonal ads popping up in job listings.

Of course it could just be an effect of how Awesome P-BO is, who is to say really…

Beermeliberty on November 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM

I wonder what the numbers will look like with OWS shutting down small businesses.

rbj on November 2, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Basically, this looks like an indicator of continued stagnation and malaise.

The stagnation and malaise is going to continue until Pookie gets his a$$ up off the couch and start electin’ him some D’s!

Pull that lever, Pookie! Pull it!

ted c on November 2, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Once again the numbers show that Barry’s decisions have been correct. He’ll run the economy into the ground given 4 more years.

GarandFan on November 2, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Happy days are here again…

sandee on November 2, 2011 at 3:44 PM

We’ll see on Friday how close ADP’s indicator got to reality.

You think Friday’s number is based in reality??? You’re kidding right???…

PatriotRider on November 2, 2011 at 3:45 PM

Looks like we’re better off now than 4 years ago…/

PatriotRider on November 2, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Where is the redhead???…

PatriotRider on November 2, 2011 at 3:48 PM

I’ll believe all the when this person gets
hired.

bloggless on November 2, 2011 at 3:49 PM

See? It’s not negative.

Obama is a SCOAMF the greatest President we’ve ever had. Ever.

Good Lt on November 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Until NEXT week when the REVISED (aka ‘honest’) figures, which show that actually 150,000 jobs were LOST in October, are issued very late on a Friday when you’re not looking.

landlines on November 2, 2011 at 3:49 PM

The ADP National Employment Report showed on Wednesday the economy’s private sector added 110,000 jobs in October

Meanwhile, 150,000 legal immigrants came to America, for a total net of -40,000 jobs.

Sorry unemployed Americans.

Rebar on November 2, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Reuters says that this is better than expected,

There’s a shock.

angryed on November 2, 2011 at 4:01 PM

Until NEXT week when the REVISED (aka ‘honest’) figures, which show that actually 150,000 jobs were LOST in October, are issued very late on a Friday when you’re not looking.

landlines on November 2, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Sometimes the revisions are upwards. For example, last month’s initial report of 91k jobs added was revised upwards to 116k (this is from the report posted here).

tneloms on November 2, 2011 at 4:01 PM

See this proves that the private sector is doing fine.
-Harry Reid

txhsmom on November 2, 2011 at 4:04 PM

There’s a shock.

angryed on November 2, 2011 at 4:01 PM

Wait, you’re angry when they characterize a worse number than projected as “unexpected” and also when they characterize a better number than projected as “unexpected”? The projections of the economists that are polled are often incorrect, but (a) they’re not more often incorrect in one direction or the other and (b) if you think you can do better, you could probably make a ton of money on the market or serving as an analyst.

tneloms on November 2, 2011 at 4:05 PM

Basically, this looks like an indicator of continued stagnation and malaise.

“See, I told you Capitalism doesn’t work.” – Obowma

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Seven Percent Solution on November 2, 2011 at 4:08 PM

I DO NOT believe for one minute any numbers that comes out of dc! They all lie to make things look all warm and fuzzy and next month the revise them. It would be nice if I was wrong, but past numbers prove me correct.
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letget on November 2, 2011 at 4:11 PM

I DO NOT believe for one minute any numbers that comes out of dc! They all lie to make things look all warm and fuzzy and next month the revise them. It would be nice if I was wrong, but past numbers prove me correct.
L

letget on November 2, 2011 at 4:11 PM

The last two months have actually had the jobs numbers revised upwards, not downwards.

I think it’s easy to read too much into these revisions if you just see articles in a few months (or even a year) saying the numbers were revised downward.

tneloms on November 2, 2011 at 4:31 PM

I DO NOT believe for one minute any numbers that comes out of dc! They all lie to make things look all warm and fuzzy and next month the revise them. It would be nice if I was wrong, but past numbers prove me correct.
L

letget on November 2, 2011 at 4:11 PM

Actually, going further, here is the list of government job number revisions: http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cesnaicsrev.htm

In each of the past two years, overall the numbers were revised upwards from their initial estimate, and it was an upwards revision in 7 of 12 months in 2009 (downwards in 4 months, neutral in 1 month) and in 10 of 12 months in 2010 (downwards in 1 month, neutral in 1 month). In the 7 months of full revisions for 2011 so far, 4 have been upwards revisions, 2 have been downwards, and 2 have been neutral. And the average in each year is a sizeable upwards revision.

So basically, I don’t think it’s true that these numbers are more often revised upwards — the opposite seems to be true. This is only for jobs data, of course.

tneloms on November 2, 2011 at 4:40 PM

It’s called seasonal hiring

LeeSeneca on November 2, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Fed lowers GDP forecast:

………………..

Officials now expect the world’s largest economy to grow by a tepid 2.5 percent to 2.9 percent next year, down from the rosier 3.3 percent to 3.7 percent they were expecting in June.

………………………………

http://news.yahoo.com/fed-hold-steady-despite-global-risks-130235515.html

marinetbryant on November 2, 2011 at 4:54 PM

tneloms on November 2, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Thanks for your information, I stand corrected!
L

letget on November 2, 2011 at 4:54 PM

I DO NOT believe for one minute any numbers that comes out of dc! They all lie to make things look all warm and fuzzy and next month the revise them. It would be nice if I was wrong, but past numbers prove me correct.
L

letget on November 2, 2011 at 4:11 PM [Emphasis added]

Ummm… ADP is a private company based in Roseland, NJ. (Suburbs of NYC). However you may still choose to “NOT believe for one minute any number that comes out of” Roseland, NJ. I don’t think it has the same meaning for you though.

Save this post for friday, when the actual gov’t numbers come out.

New_Jersey_Buckeye on November 2, 2011 at 4:58 PM