Iowans oddly unmoved by vague, 12-year-old allegations about Cain

posted at 12:05 pm on November 1, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

For Herman Cain to win the Republican nomination, he has to win Iowa.  A loss there would almost certainly drain his campaign of credibility and donors before he could make it to South Carolina, especially if Mitt Romney ends up the winner in January 3rd’s caucuses.  So how are Iowa caucus goers reacting to the Politico story containing vague allegations of misconduct from more than a dozen years ago?  The Des Moines Register reports that they’re less than impressed … with Politico:

Iowa conservatives appear unready to jump off the Herman Cain train — unless damning evidence emerges that proves the presidential candidate was less than truthful Monday when he denied allegations of sexual harassment.

The Des Moines Register spoke by phone with more than 20 likely Republican caucusgoers who participated in the Oct. 23-26 Iowa Poll, and none said the allegations had moved them to reject Cain as a potential pick. …

Poll respondent Rick Hall, a Des Moines accountant, said, “Unless it rolls into something undeniably very bad at his core, it will have no effect on my feeling about Mr. Cain as far as a viable candidate. It happened far enough ago, I’m not surprised that this thing wouldn’t follow many highly placed corporate officers.”

Iowa conservative leaders, too, were willing Monday to give Cain the benefit of the doubt.

“He has to lay all his cards on the table now and tell all truthfully,” said Steve Scheffler, a West Des Moines Republican and president of the Iowa Faith & Freedom Coalition. “If there is nothing there, he will be fine with conservatives. If there is more, then there could be some real challenges for him.”

How did people around the nation react to the Politico story?  Well, the dollars tell the story:

Yesterday was Herman Cain’s biggest campaign fundraising day, the candidate told Laura Ingraham this morning on her radio show. …

About the fundraising news, Ingraham said: “What does that tell you? Don’t let the media set the message for you. He didn’t cancel anything on his schedule. He’s not a hermit. He’s not hiding behind some wall of privacy.” Clearly, she said, “People want a fighter. They see right through the media haze.”

Iowans are not abandoning Cain, and donors increased their support.  If that seems strange after such an explosive allegation, perhaps the assessment of ProPublica — an independent journalistic watchdog — might explain the dynamic:

It is clear from the story that Politico posted Sunday evening that reporters had made extensive efforts to figure out what happened. But much of what appeared came from anonymous sources whose knowledge appeared to be second-hand or unspecific.

Politico described the incidents involved “conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature” that took place at conferences or other restaurant association events. One exchange, an unnamed source said, involved an invitation by Cain to an employee to meet him in his hotel suite at an event. There were also “physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.’’

Obviously, this description leaves open a myriad of possibilities, from the boorish to the legally actionable. Certainly, it prompts readers to scratch their heads as they try to remember what in the late 1990s constituted a physical gesture that was not overtly sexual but discomfiting. (I checked. The Macarena came out in the mid-1990s.) Suggestions from a boss to “meet in my suite” are equally ambiguous. Did Cain have a sheaf of strategy papers on the desk or a CD player with a Michael Bolton track cued up?

Therein is the problem with this story. If the facts as published were part of a memo to Politico’s editors, they would amount to a first-rate tip on a story. …

Were the settlements $99,999 each (to borrow some of Cain’s favorite numbers)? Or a buck more than $9,999?

The former would suggest, but not prove, that something seriously untoward had occurred. The latter would sound like what lawyers term nuisance settlements – the money corporations routinely shell out to make frivolous claims go away.

Over at CNBC, count Larry Kudlow as equally unimpressed:

“There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.”

What does this mean?

The gestures weren’t overtly sexual, but the women were uncomfortable and believed the gestures were improper in a professional relationship. These are all second-hand testimonies from “close associates” of the female accusers, but I don’t know what standards are being talked about.

I mean, based on this sort of thing, anybody could think anything about almost anything. I’m not blasting the Politico people per se. I just don’t understand the meaning of what they’re reporting.

What appears evident at this point is that Politico might have had a seed of a legitimate story, but only if they were able to get first-hand accounts with the necessary detail to show that Cain was actually guilty of misconduct.  They didn’t the first-hand accounts nor the details, not from Cain and not from the women involved.  Instead, they ran with the vague, second-hand related accounts from more than a decade gone by.  So far, that’s not impressing too many people, not Iowans, not Republicans, and not too many journalists, either.

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It’s a non-story. He didn’t use his position of power to blackmail or pressure anyone into performing sexual favors. That would’ve been a real sexual harassment scandal. This sounds like a misunderstanding at the very least or a crude remark or gesture at the worst. Which is child’s play compared to the crap Clinton’s gotten a pass for.

Doughboy on November 1, 2011 at 12:11 PM

The Instapundit continues to ask a good rhetorical question: “Would Jonathan Martin, Maggie Haberman, Anna Palmer and Kenneth Vogel have put their names on a similar piece, with no named sources, aimed at Barack Obama? Would Politico have run it?”

Drained Brain on November 1, 2011 at 12:12 PM

The Des Moines Register spoke by phone with more than 20 likely Republican caucusgoers who participated in the Oct. 23-26 Iowa Poll, and none said the allegations had moved them to reject Cain as a potential pick. …

They spoke to 20 (twenty) whole people?? 20???

Cain is the Howard Dean of the GOP: a spectacular rise followed by an equally spectacular collapse.

NickDeringer on November 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Matter’s not – with Cain, the next gaffe is only 5 minutes away!

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Nice to know there are people with common sense. I had the feeling a money bomb would come out of this.

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 12:17 PM

But much of what appeared came from anonymous sources whose knowledge appeared to be second-hand or unspecific.

To me, the accounting of the events in the report reads like it came from the complaint that was filed by the accuser, out of the file at HR, or from the copy that was given to the accuser when it was filed.

If this source is one of the GOP contenders, they will be toast when it is revealed.

Texas Gal on November 1, 2011 at 12:18 PM

The Instapundit continues to ask a good rhetorical question: “Would Jonathan Martin, Maggie Haberman, Anna Palmer and Kenneth Vogel have put their names on a similar piece, with no named sources, aimed at Barack Obama? Would Politico have run it?”

Drained Brain on November 1, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Well, uhm – no … duh. It’s a liberally biased media.

However – that doesn’t make the Politico story wrong. What did the Politico story say that Cain disputes? What did they say that was false?

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Kinda puts Politico on their back foot now, doesn’t it?

a capella on November 1, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Matter’s not – with Cain, the next gaffe is only 5 minutes away!

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:16 PM

And he’ll need about 500,000,000 minutes to catch up with Obama.

Rovin on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 PM

More evidence the left-wing, Democrat-lovin’ dinosaur media is losing its power to influence the electorate. With each smear campaign they march further down the road to irrelevancy.

novaculus on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 PM

If Liberal gasbag Bob Beckel on both “The Five” and on “Hannity” last night said that this was a hit job by Politico “with unnamed sources”, then you’ve got to know there is nothing here.

And I will say it one time as I did in another thread……….

…..Until one of these women step forward and go on the record, it’s stupid, immature and irresponsible to keep beating this story to death with speculation and innuendo.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 PM

But for some reason Jennifer Rubin is impressed and others who are supporting the GOP Establishment like Rove. This story is dead. Politico’s bluff has been called.

milemarker2020 on November 1, 2011 at 12:23 PM

And he’ll need about 500,000,000 minutes to catch up with Obama.

Rovin on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Wow – is that the arguement for Cain now – that he’s simply “better than” Obama?

Kim Kardashian would be better than Obama.

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 PM

It’s a non-story. He didn’t use his position of power to blackmail ……

Doughboy on November 1, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Hmmmmmmm, blackmail? What are you trying to say?

bbordwell on November 1, 2011 at 12:25 PM

However – that doesn’t make the Politico story wrong. What did the Politico story say that Cain disputes? What did they say that was false?

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:18 PM

They’re being hoist on their own petard. They were using perception and innuendo to attack Cain,…now there is the perception that Politico uses perception and innuendo instead of identifying sources.
Kinda funny!

a capella on November 1, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Wow – is that the arguement for Cain now – that he’s simply “better than” Obama?
HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 PM

That’s always been the idea no matter which candidate for any office; A is better than B.

whatcat on November 1, 2011 at 12:27 PM

The Boy Who Cried Wolf

davidk on November 1, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Wow – is that the arguement for Cain now – that he’s simply “better than” Obama?

Kim Kardashian would be better than Obama.

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 PM

But–and here’s the important point–Mitt Romney might not be.

ElectricPhase on November 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM

These liberal media attacks on Cain will put him over the top.
They will not diminish him.

esnap on November 1, 2011 at 12:31 PM

However – that doesn’t make the Politico story wrong. What did the Politico story say that Cain disputes? What did they say that was false?

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:18 PM

What did they say that Cain will have to end up defending? That is the real question.

Right now, it looks like…..Nothing. If the worst he did was make a remark about how one of his co-workers is the same height as his wife (5’0″ is remarkably short BTW, my Mom is that short and she stands out because of it) and the woman took offense to that so much so that she maid an official complaint and was paid to STFU and go away, I don’t see it derailing a Presidential bid.

It looks like a pathetic attempt at a smear because “everyone knows” how uptight social conservatives are about anything “sexual”.

Mord on November 1, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Wow – is that the arguement for Cain now – that he’s simply “better than” Obama?

Kim Kardashian would be better than Obama.

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 PM

But–and here’s the important point–Mitt Romney might not be.

ElectricPhase on November 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Besides that, Kim is polling almost as bad as Bachmann, Perry and Ed Huntsman. Never work out.

whatcat on November 1, 2011 at 12:32 PM

I must say, the Cainster has been very impressive and unflappable in his face-the-media-down tour. Unlike Weiner’s “I’m Innocent and You’d Better Believe or I’ll Kill Ya!” campaign, he’s maintained a cool, calm, collected and very presidential persona throughout some very uncomfortable questioning. Not saying it’s been all pretty–but not bad.

RepubChica on November 1, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Take a look at Politico nowadays. They’re doubling down on Cain. Over there it’s Cain cover-to-cover, obviously out to bring him down.

Rush says the lsm is furious that Cain is still standing… and still smiling.

Get ‘em, Herman! I’m not sure who I’m going eventually to support in the primaries, but I’m gonna support you 100% through this one.

petefrt on November 1, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Mord on November 1, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Maid should have been Made. Woops.

Mord on November 1, 2011 at 12:33 PM

I got a dollar that says the poll numbers will move in a day or two…

…in Cain’s favor.

No one is in the mood for this crap and there will be a backlash of defiance in Cain’s favor if this story falls apart.

Mr Snuggle Bunny on November 1, 2011 at 12:34 PM

However – that doesn’t make the Politico story wrong. What did the Politico story say that Cain disputes? What did they say that was false?

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:18 PM

FIFY because I’m still trying to figure out what this story is all about.

You know: Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? Those basic facts that every 1st year journalism major learns has to be in a story.

But let’s not confuse this blockbuster story with – y’know – facts.

PackerBronco on November 1, 2011 at 12:36 PM

The more I see Cain and the shenanigans of the politics the more I admire him. He has my support.

tinkerthinker on November 1, 2011 at 12:40 PM

I got a dollar that says the poll numbers will move in a day or two…

…in Cain’s favor.

No one is in the mood for this crap and there will be a backlash of defiance in Cain’s favor if this story falls apart.

Mr Snuggle Bunny on November 1, 2011 at 12:34 PM

It would hurt Cain if the story had legs, but it appears that all Politico had to offer was a fish.

The more interesting question IMHO is who pushed the story in the first place and why Politico thought they actually had enough to publish.

PackerBronco on November 1, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Moderates and liberals should be flocking to Cain’s defense. He didn’t even get to the “one free grope” threshold that Gloria Steinem declared during the Clinton era.

This isn’t even as well-reported as John McCain’s supposed affair. Unlike some conservatives, I don’t think this has a racial component. I think the liberal media will attack any candidate, black or white, with anything they can think of.

hawksruleva on November 1, 2011 at 12:41 PM

all hail politico
-msdnc

they are just happy that politico did this and defending them to the bitter end

backfire, backfire, backfire….

cmsinaz on November 1, 2011 at 12:44 PM

and not too many journalists, either.

except for msdnc…

cmsinaz on November 1, 2011 at 12:44 PM

“physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.’’

Maybe he followed former University of Iowa football coach Hayden Fry’s philosophy:

“We’ll scratch where it itches.”

taznar on November 1, 2011 at 12:45 PM

a capella on November 1, 2011 at 12:19 PM

they are still going full board on him and his inconsistencies now…

they are not backing down

cmsinaz on November 1, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Instead, they ran with the vague, second-hand related accounts from more than a decade gone by. So far, that’s not impressing too many people, not Iowans, not Republicans, and not too many journalists, either.

Reminds me of the NYT hit piece about McCain and his “involvement” with another woman.

If there’s anything to this story about Cain they sure haven’t proven it, it’s all about allegations, nothing substantive. But they threw it out there anyway, so shame on Politico.

scalleywag on November 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM

It’s a non-story. He didn’t use his position of power to blackmail ……

Doughboy on November 1, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Have to agree. If I’d made a habit of making a stink over silly things my male superiors have said or done in my presence in the work place the last couple of decades–Dear Lord! Good thing I have a sense of humor and don’t believe in shaking innocent men (or companies) in positions of power down. And yeah, even when my former boss (who was quite gross) came up behind me and started rubbing my shoulders while I typed away in front of the computer I just wriggled away and told him not to do it again and resumed working and never told a soul. Don’t need the drama.

RepubChica on November 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM

I think this is a fall-away story. After all Clinton did way far worse – some of it even in the oval office multiple times even without paper towels – than what Cain is implausibly accused of and Clinton is still beloved and rich off of speaking tours, etc.

Of course, bimbo eruptions are still possible, but who believes these opportunists?

Chessplayer on November 1, 2011 at 12:47 PM

The more interesting question IMHO is who pushed the story in the first place and why Politico thought they actually had enough to publish.

PackerBronco on November 1, 2011 at 12:40 PM

It appears Miss Knucklehead has answered your question at 12:37PM

a capella on November 1, 2011 at 12:47 PM

One thing nobody seems to be bringing up is that sexual harassment was a much bigger issue in the 90′s, not that it was more prevalent, but that it was the issue the PC liberal crowd had grabbed onto and was pushing at the time. so there were lots more stories about it and a lot more claims, te PC liberal crowd was forced to quit pushing it after Clinton got impeached and the issue faded away.

clearbluesky on November 1, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Herman uses smart, but simplified enough to be communicated, doable goals with a positive and likable personality . That is his Schitick.

This is also called good leadership.

But a single woman can easily interpret his even talking with her as an interest in her as a sexual woman. That line is crossed quite easily in a single woman’s mind.

But there is a “professionally sex free zone” where Herman must not be Herman any more than Mark Block can be mark and smoke indoors.

But so what. The authentic man wins this year after people endured so many years of half truths and outright lies fed to them.

jimw on November 1, 2011 at 12:50 PM

This story seems to have gripped the MSM while Odumbo’s ecomony is rudderless, Americans are being killed overseas, etc.

rjoco1 on November 1, 2011 at 12:52 PM

The issue that should concern Iowans is competence. Cain had 10 days to prepare a response to this story and still bungled it badly, making contradictory statements over the course of 24 hours. For that matter, he’s actually had more than a year to prepare a response, since its not credible that he had completely forgotten he’d ever been sued for sexual harassment, and when he decided to run for President, he should have anticipated that information might come come out.

Jon0815 on November 1, 2011 at 12:53 PM

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Matter’s not – with Cain, the next gaffe is only 5 minutes away!

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:16 PM

No, Honda, here’s my argument, it’s been over five minutes, and by your rhetoric calculations Cain’s made another gaffe—please enlighten us all with his latest gaffe.

Rovin on November 1, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Read it all and follow the links in the article. Very enlightening.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Didn’t you know that Herman Cain is the secret George Soros candidate?

I actually did see that here somewhere.

Also, some of the Perry people here have been making suggestions about Cain’s past and his “demographic.” Of course, no evidence, just “concern.”

MeatHeadinCA on November 1, 2011 at 12:56 PM

The issue that should concern Iowans is competence. Cain had 10 days to prepare a response to this story and still bungled it badly, making contradictory statements over the course of 24 hours. For that matter, he’s actually had more than a year to prepare a response, since its not credible that he had completely forgotten he’d ever been sued for sexual harassment, and when he decided to run for President, he should have anticipated that information might come come out.

Jon0815 on November 1, 2011 at 12:53 PM

I hate to agree with this but I do. They gotta learn to lie like the pros, dang it.

RepubChica on November 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM

The issue that should concern Iowans is competence. Cain had 10 days to prepare a response to this story and still bungled it badly, making contradictory statements over the course of 24 hours. For that matter, he’s actually had more than a year to prepare a response, since its not credible that he had completely forgotten he’d ever been sued for sexual harassment, and when he decided to run for President, he should have anticipated that information might come come out.

Jon0815 on November 1, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Are you going to copy and paste that in every Cain thread? Keep fracking that chicken if it makes you feel better.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Bring up phony sex charges and keep the black conservative man on the plantation…

Same old story. Been trotted out about a hundred times since Clarence Thomas. I wonder if they were ‘white women’…

Kuffar on November 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Wow – is that the arguement for Cain now – that he’s simply “better than” Obama?

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Until someone cares about Bill Clinton’s alleged rape of Juanita Broaddrick I don’t care about this.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44451

itsspideyman on November 1, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Get ‘em, Herman! I’m not sure who I’m going eventually to support in the primaries, but I’m gonna support you 100% through this one.

petefrt on November 1, 2011 at 12:33 PM
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Unless some really bad facts are established about this, it is meaningless to me, except for Cain’s demonstration of his ability to withstand attacks and bad circumstances. But we knew that about him already: Look at the environment he grew up in and out of.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 1, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Do you think just maybe that Cain and Block might have seen this coming – that they knew the story was a dud, that it would be blown up all over the hysterical liberal media, that Cain would escape unscathed and end up with a huge amount of conservatives rallying round, giving money and getting the kind of publicity that would normally cost a fortune?

Just wonderin’..

sceptical on November 1, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Politico is not a serious news source. It never has been. I don’t know all the facts surrounding the Cain story but I’ll wait before making judgements. I will give Cain the benefit of the doubt before I will Politico and Ken Vogel.

d1carter on November 1, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Politico described the incidents involved “conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature” that took place at conferences or other restaurant association events. One exchange, an unnamed source said, involved an invitation by Cain to an employee to meet him in his hotel suite at an event. There were also “physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.’’

The 90s, huh. Considering Cain’s philosophy, perhaps he just threw up his arms and cried: “I can’t believe how much Bill Clinton sucks!”

And speaking of the press double standard, who can forgot the female reporter who publicly volunteered to service Clinton, if it would help keep him out of trouble.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on November 1, 2011 at 1:19 PM

If Liberal gasbag Bob Beckel on both “The Five” and on “Hannity” last night said that this was a hit job by Politico “with unnamed sources”, then you’ve got to know there is nothing here.

And I will say it one time as I did in another thread……….

…..Until one of these women step forward and go on the record, it’s stupid, immature and irresponsible to keep beating this story to death with speculation and innuendo.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 PM

ITA.

This story has no legs. Cain has given an unequivocal denial. It would be a good idea for all non-Cain supporters to more on and keep the criticism to policy and electability. I think Cain has handled this well and it is a sign that he is maturing as a candidate.

Bill C on November 1, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Though this story may be much ado about nothing, it is another (of what is becoming daily) story designed as a slow drip approach to taking Cain out whereby he is constantly having to play defense and becomes crippled and unable to get his message out. The media, left and liberal republicans will continue this until they have sown enough doubts in the minds of the voters about Cain’s abilities, intellect, honesty, etc. that the voters will figure that Cain cannot win and so they will not take a chance on him. Does this strategy remind you of anyone else???

Remember, the first order of business is to take out any genuine conservative that connects with the public. Once Cain is finished, they will then move onto Perry until he’s finished. They’ll save Romney for the general because they have a lot to throw at him and are convinced they can defeat him. Unfortunately for our side, the liberal establishment republicans actually believe that Romney can win against Obama and so will do their part to help the left get rid of all the competition to give Romney the nomination. I have real serious doubts about Romney’s ability to beat Obama and am totally demoralized about the future. And from what I’m reading around the blogs I’m not alone.

KickandSwimMom on November 1, 2011 at 1:21 PM

If this hight-tech lynching loses tracton, this may be the next “wag the dog” story: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5idayTCgSk-KPZebKidIg4_Ap8JOA?docId=CNG.35f5ae608a85881eeb1b91d9639d25f8.1b1

davidk on November 1, 2011 at 1:30 PM

HA Candidate Support update (208 explicit or implicit declarations, (previous 194, 30Oct2011), Cain takes over with the most pickups since last update).

CAIN (86) [Current 41.3%, Previous, 41.8%, High 43.6% ] – 2Tru2Tru, AH_C, Alecj, Apologetic, Astonerii, Balkanmom, BierMan VA, Bill C, Bishop, Bkennedy, Blatantblu, bloghooligan, BroncosRock, Canopfor, Carbon_footprint, CatoReansci, Cliffhanger, Coldwarrior 57, Conservalicious, CrankyTRex, CTSherman, DanaSmiles, davidk, Dec5, Deedtrader, Dingbat63, Ditkaca, Don L, DrW, Elcapt, electric-rascal, Elisa, esnap, exdeadhead, Faraway, Flatfoot, Gh, Grunt, gryphon202, Iowawoman, Jason Coleman, Jhffman, JimW, Jinxed, joe_doufu, Karmi, katablog.com, katy, Katy the mean old lady, Keep the Change, KingGold, Knucklehead, kringeesmom, Landlines, Lily, Lovingmy USA, Mallard T. Drake, Mankai, Milemarker2020, Mr. Joe, MR_Magoo, Ninjapirate, Norwegian, pappyD61, pbundy, petefrt, prtlandon, Puncheko, RalphBoy, r keller, Rational Thought, RedbonePro, redeye, redfoxbluestate, Redshirt, Repubchica, Robert_Paulson, ronsfi, Rose, Sbvft, Schadenfreude, Steve Z, Ted c, TinkerThinker, tjexcite, Txmomof6.

GINGRICH (57) [Current 27.4%, Previous, 27.3%, High 29.9%] – A capella, Ameripundit, besser tot als rot, Bflat879, Bluefox, Borntoraisehogs, BuckeyeSam, Carbon_footprint, Catwrangler, Christian Conservative, Cindy Munford, cmsinaz, cycncook, Daemonocracy, Darwin, DKCZ, Don L, Doughboy, El_Terrible, ElectricPhase, Floating, Rock, Fossten, Georgealbert, Hellcat, Huckleberryfriend, JellyToast, jhffmn, karenhasfreedom, Kataklysmic, kerrhome, LFRGary, Lourdes, MeatHeadinCA, Meh, NY Conservative, P40tiger, paul1149, phreshone, PowerPro, ProudPalinFan, Puncheko, r keller, Redlizard64, Right2bright, SaltySam, sandee, Search4truth, Sharrukin, Socmodfiscon, Spanky, Spypeach, Stenwin77, Trs, Unseen, VBMax, Victor82, Weight of Glory.

PERRY (36) [Current 17.3%, Previous, 17.5%, High 17.6%] – Annoyinglittletwerp, Aslans Girl, Bluefox, Buckichick1, Bullhead, Cartooner, Christian Conservative, Cmsinaz, Darwin, Dire Straits, Dr. evil, El_terrible, Flyfisher, Gophergirl, HondaV65, Jeffn21, JeffWeimer, JohnGalt23, JonPrichard, Juliesa, kg598301, Marcus, Meh, muckdog, NickDeringer, OneGyT, Rukiddingme, SlaveDog, stacman, Steve Z, TheRightMan, Thuja, Tommylott, VoterfromWAState, XWing5, Y-not.

ROMNEY (25) [Current 12.0%, Previous, 12.4%, High 8.5%] – Acasilico, Andy85719, Basilbeast, Bob in VA, Buy Danish, Chudi, csdeven, Faraway, g2825, goRBNY, jjshaka, Joepub, Lorien1973, MJ Brutus, Nswider, Pcoop, Petunia, Sheryl, SurferDude, Sugar land, Swamp Yankee, Texann56, The Prez, Thuja, Voter from WA State.

BACHMANN (2) [Current 0.9%, Previous, 0.5%, High <5.0%] – FloatingRock, astoneril

PAUL (1) [Current 0.5%, Previous, 0.5%, High <5.0%] – iamse7en

**HUNTSMAN (2) [Current 0.9%, Previous, 0.5%, High <5.0%] – Abby Adams, Bitsy (**NEW ADD)

***LAWN GNOME (1) [Current 0.5%, Previous, 0.5%, High <5.0%] – JetBoy (NEW ADD)

As a comparison there are 24 Former/Current Palin supporters declared at HA…only half have committed to another candidate. That tends to put Romney’s support in perspective and his possible nomination in jeopardy statistically speaking.

PALINITES (24) – Annoyinglittletwerp, Astoneril, Bill C, Cindy Munford, Capitalist piglet, CS89, Ddrintn, dec5, InkyBinkyBarleyBoo, JonPrichard, Leftnomore, Listen2glenn, Marcus, NoLeftTurn, Promachus, pugwriter, Puncheko, RedLizard64, right2bright, Tencole, The_nile, There Goes The Neighborhood, Western_Civ, Who is John Galt.

Percentages might exceed 100% due to rounding. If for any reason I have you under the wrong candidates tent, I have you listed under more than one candidate, or you would like to throw your name behind a different candidate you can update me at prov22.17-21@juno.com (three people have updated this way.
Provided as service towards eventual coalescing behind he/she who saved the people from Him Who Is No Longer Mentioned (HWINLM).

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM

I am a Perry supporter.

Bill C on November 1, 2011 at 1:39 PM

Cain supporter.

itsspideyman on November 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM

ITA.

This story has no legs. Cain has given an unequivocal denial. It would be a good idea for all non-Cain supporters to more on and keep the criticism to policy and electability. I think Cain has handled this well and it is a sign that he is maturing as a candidate.

Bill C on November 1, 2011 at 1:21 PM

I just found the video of gasbag Beckel

Beckel: “It’s Outrageous That Politico Would Run That Story Based on 2 Anonymous Sources” (Video)

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM

At this point in time, I support Gingrich. It is hard not to appreciate his level-headedness, experience and knowledge when compared to the rest of the GOP field.

KickandSwimMom on November 1, 2011 at 1:47 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM

nicely done…

cmsinaz on November 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM

I’m less concerned with Cain’s past relationships with female employees than I am with his current admiration for ex-Fed chair Alan Greenspan.

Investor’s Business Daily has a very interesting article on how in 1994 Clinton, Greenspan, Henry Cisneros, and Janet Reno used a deeply and obviously flawed Boston Fed report on “discriminatory” lending to justify having the federal government and the Fed get together to force banks, credit unions, mortgage companies, and all other types of lenders, to make home loans to uncreditworthy minority borrowers. These morons and their race-pandering “social justice” crusade nearly brought down the entire U.S. economy.
http://news.investors.com/Article/589858/201110311638/Housing-Crisis-Obama-Clinton-Subprime.htm

AZCoyote on November 1, 2011 at 1:55 PM

The issue that should concern Iowans is competence. Cain had 10 days to prepare a response to this story and still bungled it badly, making contradictory statements over the course of 24 hours. For that matter, he’s actually had more than a year to prepare a response, since its not credible that he had completely forgotten he’d ever been sued for sexual harassment, and when he decided to run for President, he should have anticipated that information might come come out.

Jon0815 on November 1, 2011 at 12:53 PM

The only issue that concerns me is WHAT DID CAIN DO?

The issue that concerns me is NOT “what political maneuvering should Cain have performed to prevent the dumpster-diving cockroaches in the media from being their usual unprofessional dirtbag selves in pushing this story before there was any reason to believe the cockroaches?” No, I just want a simple answer to the question:

WHAT DID CAIN DO?

If we can’t get an answer to that, then everything else is noise and it isn’t going to make me despise Cain or refuse to support him or vote for him.

Aitch748 on November 1, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Wow – is that the arguement for Cain now – that he’s simply “better than” Obama?

Kim Kardashian would be better than Obama.

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Hasn’t that been the main determining factor for the last two years? Where have you been when people have been touting Ham Sandwich as the next candidate?

Ah right. You don’t like Cain.

kim roy on November 1, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Matter’s not – with Cain, the next gaffe is only 5 minutes away!

HondaV65 on November 1, 2011 at 12:16 PM

No, Honda, here’s my argument, it’s been over five minutes, and by your rhetoric calculations Cain’s made another gaffe—please enlighten us all with his latest gaffe.

Rovin on November 1, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Maybe HondaV65 was referring to HIS gaffes over Cain, not Cain’s gaffes! That I’d believe!

dominigan on November 1, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Iowans oddly unmoved

Why is it odd? We’re the party with a brain. Until the bombshell goes off, this story is a non-story. We’re talking about what THEY want us to talk about. Now what happened to that nice post that was up yesterday about the LAT/FOIA article.

lynncgb on November 1, 2011 at 2:10 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM

Newt

lynncgb on November 1, 2011 at 2:11 PM

Perry supporter here

jaschenb74 on November 1, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Over the course of his career, Herman Cain has probably interacted with literally hundreds of thousands of employees. Two women.. JUST TWO, come out and make a cheap accusation during the time that sexual harrassment was all the rage and women were making $ hand-over-fist for flimsy complaints is not a bad record for the man.

Get over it, Obama. You will be going toe to toe with Cain and you are going to lose. The media can’t save you, because you are a proven SCOAMF.

Key West Reader on November 1, 2011 at 2:30 PM

I just found the video of gasbag Beckel

Beckel: “It’s Outrageous That Politico Would Run That Story Based on 2 Anonymous Sources” (Video)

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Thanks! He’s right ya know.

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 2:46 PM

I don’t know why other media people, including bloggers, are giving Politico a pass on this. What do you call an internet news site that equates to a gossip rag?

Vince on November 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM

except for msdnc…

cmsinaz on November 1, 2011 at 12:44 PM

N/A

He said “journalists”.

Good luck finding one of those on MSPMS.

VelvetElvis on November 1, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Thanks! He’s right ya know.

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 2:46 PM

Bob Beckel? Right about something?

That probably explains the flock of flying porkers visiting my bird feeder.

VelvetElvis on November 1, 2011 at 3:14 PM

And in related news... Cain Has His Biggest Fundraising Day!!

DanaSmiles on November 1, 2011 at 3:19 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM

At this point in time, I support Gingrich. It is hard not to appreciate his level-headedness, experience and knowledge when compared to the rest of the GOP field.

KickandSwimMom on November 1, 2011 at 1:47 PM

This is exactly my position, the same as that of K&SMom.
I am open about my ultimate vote, but I have been voting for Gingrich in the HA polls. Also, I probably would have been voting in those polls for the unmentionable woman if she had entered the race.
RedLizard: This is a very interesting and helpful service that you provided to all of us. Thanks.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 1, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Bob Beckel? Right about something?

That probably explains the flock of flying porkers visiting my bird feeder.

VelvetElvis on November 1, 2011 at 3:14 PM

You too,huh?
I’ve had them oinking in the avocado tree all damn day.

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 3:30 PM

I probably would have been voting in those polls for the unmentionable woman if she had entered the race.
RedLizard: This is a very interesting and helpful service that you provided to all of us. Thanks.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 1, 2011 at 3:23 PM

I, too, would have been voting for that woman had she entered the race.

KickandSwimMom on November 1, 2011 at 3:34 PM

sceptical on November 1, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Same thought has crossed my mind for more than one of these “episodes”. (good) CEO’s have this uncanny ability to size up a situation, even a negative one, and get a LOT of mileage out of it!

Oh and I think here is our answer:

And in related news… Cain Has His Biggest Fundraising Day!!

DanaSmiles on November 1, 2011 at 3:19 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Cain is the Howard Dean of the GOP: a spectacular rise followed by an equally spectacular collapse.

NickDeringer on November 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM

The collapse has yet to happen. And until it does, I’m not going to assume that it will.

gryphon202 on November 1, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Translation: Dogs bark, the media lies, and people learn–eventually.

njcommuter on November 1, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Jon0815 on November 1, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Jon0814 was much funnier.

Del Dolemonte on November 1, 2011 at 5:43 PM

I don’t know why other media people, including bloggers, are giving Politico a pass on this. What do you call an internet news site that equates to a gossip rag?

Vince on November 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM

HotAir?

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 6:47 PM

I don’t think we know yet what if any impact all this will have on Cain’s campaign..but in fact the problem has not been the allegations, the problem has been the way the Cain campaign has dealt with it.

Politico contacted them 10 days before this came out..if they had a short concise response and everyone stuck with that the whole thing might have blown over. But they didn’t..this is the big leagues, stuff like this comes out in a campaign like this. The real test is in how people deal with. Cain did not do so well.

Terrye on November 1, 2011 at 9:15 PM