Conservative case for Romney is … he can’t possibly flip-flop again

posted at 10:05 am on November 1, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Can a conservative case be made for Mitt Romney?  Michael Gerson tried mightily at the Washington Post yesterday, leaning heavily on Romney’s business experience and cultural background to argue that Romney’s current positions are probably more natural to him than those he adopted for more than a decade as a Massachusetts politician.  Unfortunately for Gerson, he has to come up with some way to explain why Romney wouldn’t slide back to his earlier positions once he faced some political headwinds on the national stage, and this is the best Gerson can do:

Romney’s main political vulnerability is a serious one. Running for Massachusetts’ governor in 2002, he was a pro-choice, economically centrist, culturally liberal, business-oriented Republican. Running for president in 2008, he was a thoroughly pro-life, orthodox supply-side, culturally conservative, Fox News Republican. Romney’s shape-shifting 2008 campaign only reinforced the impression of a consultant-driven candidate.

But conservatives — unsurprised by human frailty — know that great republics are constructed out of flawed materials. Some of Romney’s transformation is explainable as the result of ideological regionalism. It would be a rare candidate who could run and win in Massachusetts with the same message offered to Republican caucus-goers in Iowa.

Well, I don’t know about rare.  Ronald Reagan did it — twice — and didn’t do it by bending to the political headwinds or aligning himself with the muddy middle.  Dwight Eisenhower did it twice, too, making them the only Republicans to win Massachusetts in the past 60 years.  They did so by being men of principle rather than conservatives of convenience.

Gerson then argues that Romney won’t change direction again because, er, he’s changed too often in the past:

Even conservatives who buy none of these explanations may calculate that Romney is acceptable. Precisely because he has a history of ideological heresy, it would be difficult for him to abandon his current, more conservative iteration. He has committed himself on key conservative issues. Having flipped, he could not flop without risking a conservative revolt. As a result, conservatives would have considerable leverage over a Romney administration.

That’s such a tortured explanation that I’m awaiting a Geneva Convention hearing on the matter.  Are we to believe that a Romney administration would credit conservatives for his nomination and election?  That might have been true in 2008 when conservatives rallied to his side when John McCain’s nomination began to look inevitable, but that’s certainly not going to be the case in 2012. If Romney gets the nomination and the win, he won’t get it carried on the shoulders of conservatives.

The most laughable assertion here, though, is that Romney’s record of inconsistency works as a guarantee of future consistency.  That’s not an argument; it’s a rationalization.  Since when has a history of political expediency been a good indicator of future principled stands?

The one argument for Romney that actually works with conservatives is that he’d be a better President than our current incumbent by a country mile.  That’s also true of most of the rest of the field, though.  If the nomination went to Romney, I’d have no trouble pulling the lever for Mitt in November 2012, and I’d be ruddy pleased to do so.  But while the primaries are still in front of us, perhaps we can be spared the rationalizations aimed at getting conservatives to back Romney rather than test the rest of the field for a more principled conservative who could win a general election and properly lead this country in the right direction.

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Again READ what Heritage and Romney proposed

Oh, and interesting parsing there. Is Romney running on what he proposed or what was enacted….?

Take your time.

JohnTant on November 1, 2011 at 12:27 PM

This is going to leave a mark:

The poll of 800 registered voters was taken Oct. 19-26. The GOP primary question was asked of 395 respondents who identified as Republicans.

Texas voters seemed reluctant to give Mr. Perry much credit. Asked what was responsible for Texas’ economy doing relatively better than the rest of the country’s, 65 percent credited long-standing policies, while just 21 percent said Mr. Perry’s leadership was responsible.

g2825m on November 1, 2011 at 12:28 PM

The conservative case for Romney: he has no principles and if conservative policies poll a majority, he’ll support them.

HitNRun on November 1, 2011 at 12:35 PM

beatcanvas on November 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM

Excellent analysis and analogy!!!

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Allow me to blow some minds:

What if Romney’s previous positions as a politician in Massachusetts were a result of him pandering to a much more liberal electorate, and his true positions are the ones he espouses now?

If so, he would be the opposite of McCain, who led a long life as an Arizona politician with fairly moderate views, was the best friend of Democrats everywhere and the MSM, who then pandered to the conservative base in 2008 to win the nomination.

Apropos McCain, weren’t partisan Republicans whining about his flip-flops on conservative issues as well? I can’t recall, who was the GOP nominee in 2008 again?

Seixon on November 1, 2011 at 12:42 PM

The issue is not the few items he has flipped on. There are thousands of issues that the media does not discuss and we have to hope that he will make the right choice on those issues. Will Romney make cuts to the EPA? It is the lesser issues such as that.

I do think he will probably repeal a large amount of ObamaCare if he gets forced into it. (The real issue is the Senate.) But he will likely work with congress to only partially repeal it.

jeffn21 on November 1, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Republicans are hellbent on losing 2012.

I am an Indy, ex Dimocrat after the last election, ditto husband and many friends.
No way will we ever mark a ballot for Mitties Flippity Flop. And we are the centrist types.
The problem is that Mitties is just not likeable.

And very repulsive is the Establishment and MSM (who won’t vote for a Repub. anyway) coronation of M F Flop, e.g. Obama II.

hpushkin on November 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Seixon on November 1, 2011 at 12:42 PM

If that were true, then why come out in favor of global cooling, I mean warming, I mean Climate Change now? Why defend RomneyCare now? Had he simply said RomenyCare was a mistake and he wished he could take it back, people would have moved on. If he said Global Warming was a scam, then that would be dropped as well.

jeffn21 on November 1, 2011 at 1:02 PM

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 11:25 AM

You know, most of you Palin lunatics moved onto other stuff to obsess over. You should take stock of your personality dysfunction if you ever want to be taken seriously by rational people.

csdeven on November 1, 2011 at 1:02 PM

What you need to demonstrate is how any of this is “conservative.”
JohnTant on November 1, 2011 at 12:26 PM

They can’t because it isn’t. But the need to try — or to explain it away — can be seen in all the hilariously contorted and inverted logic from Gerson on down.

And all the effort is for nothing. Because it’s not so much about whether Romney is this thing or that thing, but rather that he’s Everything and Nothing. As such, he’s a nobody going nowhere, i.e., a man by definiton unable to lead anybody anywhere. He hasn’t the defining shape or surpassing convictions to do so. He even lacks a strong negative definition, i.e., the mettle of pure cunning and calculation and narcissistic joy of a Clinton, or the ruthless selfishness of an Obama. At least there is something there. Romney is the Nothing and Everything he wishes to be. In this sense he is the perfect embodiment, reflection, of the republican establishment’s fear of being something, anything which could be identified and targeted by the Left. He is formed of pure fear. But the irony is that Romney’s formlessness will be turned into precisely what the Left needs for its purposes of destruction. Romney is like a big blob of dough the Left simply knead and bake into the shape and taste they love, and devour.

rrpjr on November 1, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Grab Your Ankles for Romney 2012!

SurferDoc on November 1, 2011 at 1:11 PM

That’s so sad.

powerpro on November 1, 2011 at 1:16 PM

rrpjr on November 1, 2011 at 1:06 PM

This is just dribble…

Romney is a great man and has turned around so many businesses, saved the 2002 Olympics by his smarts, saved MA economy and left it in good shape when he left in 2007, and on and on…he DOESN’T FEAR anything that you state.

So many of you have created this Romney that is not even real any more but I know you want to believe this is who he is…

Good nite all!

g2825m on November 1, 2011 at 1:19 PM

The problem is that Mitties is just not likeable.
hpushkin on November 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM

seriously? not likable? you’re not voting based on that?

holy smokes…

gatorboy on November 1, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Mitt Romney holds whatever positions get Mitt Romney what Mitt Romney wants to get. End of story.

You can vote for whoever you want to between Romney and Obama. End of story.

The only question left is whether anyone will want to vote at all.

But maybe we will get the Mormon Tabernacle Choir singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic at the inauguration.

What was wrong with Cain again?

jimw on November 1, 2011 at 1:22 PM

I almost felt compelled to stop reading the moment I read Michael Gerson, the David Brooks of the WaPo. I did end up reading the whole Gerson piece over lunch, and did manage to keep it down, but isn’t this the same fawning we saw the MSM did for McCain early in the 2008 primary season? The minute he was nominated the fawning press grew teeth and went all out attack dog.

Romney is no conservative, he is a liberal to middle of the road Republican from a very liberal state(read RINO). If it comes down to him or Obama, I’ll hold my nose and vote for him, but he’ll lose the independents, who are looking for someone than a big government tax and spend liberal. Given the chose of the 2 the indies will stick with who they know, as awful as he is.

simkeith on November 1, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Flip-Flop?

No, he will do the Clinton thing and ‘Triangulate’ save that it will always, and ever, be a hand out to the Left with a smile and a ‘Kick Me’ sign on the seat of his pants.

He will not be trying to get rid of anything more than Obamacare – he loves government in its vastness and just wants to manage it a bit better… always good to have a thrifty authoritarian government than the spendthrift kind. Then he can leave it intact for the next person wanting to steal your rights.

Thanks, but no.

ajacksonian on November 1, 2011 at 1:26 PM

http://sunlightlive.com/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=supercommittee1101

a good place to watch the SUPERCongress American Politburo do their work.

PappyD61 on November 1, 2011 at 1:26 PM

HA Candidate Support update (208 explicit or implicit declarations, (previous 194, 30Oct2011), Cain takes over with the most pickups since last update).
CAIN (86) [Current 41.3%, Previous, 41.8%, High 43.6% ] – 2Tru2Tru, AH_C, Alecj, Apologetic, Astonerii, Balkanmom, BierMan VA, Bill C, Bishop, Bkennedy, Blatantblu, bloghooligan, BroncosRock, Canopfor, Carbon_footprint, CatoReansci, Cliffhanger, Coldwarrior 57, Conservalicious, CrankyTRex, CTSherman, DanaSmiles, davidk, Dec5, Deedtrader, Dingbat63, Ditkaca, Don L, DrW, Elcapt, electric-rascal, Elisa, esnap, exdeadhead, Faraway, Flatfoot, Gh, Grunt, gryphon202, Iowawoman, Jason Coleman, Jhffman, JimW, Jinxed, joe_doufu, Karmi, katablog.com, katy, Katy the mean old lady, Keep the Change, KingGold, Knucklehead, kringeesmom, Landlines, Lily, Lovingmy USA, Mallard T. Drake, Mankai, Milemarker2020, Mr. Joe, MR_Magoo, Ninjapirate, Norwegian, pappyD61, pbundy, petefrt, prtlandon, Puncheko, RalphBoy, r keller, Rational Thought, RedbonePro, redeye, redfoxbluestate, Redshirt, Repubchica, Robert_Paulson, ronsfi, Rose, Sbvft, Schadenfreude, Steve Z, Ted c, TinkerThinker, tjexcite, Txmomof6.
GINGRICH (57) [Current 27.4%, Previous, 27.3%, High 29.9%] – A capella, Ameripundit, besser tot als rot, Bflat879, Bluefox, Borntoraisehogs, BuckeyeSam, Carbon_footprint, Catwrangler, Christian Conservative, Cindy Munford, cmsinaz, cycncook, Daemonocracy, Darwin, DKCZ, Don L, Doughboy, El_Terrible, ElectricPhase, Floating, Rock, Fossten, Georgealbert, Hellcat, Huckleberryfriend, JellyToast, jhffmn, karenhasfreedom, Kataklysmic, kerrhome, LFRGary, Lourdes, MeatHeadinCA, Meh, NY Conservative, P40tiger, paul1149, phreshone, PowerPro, ProudPalinFan, Puncheko, r keller, Redlizard64, Right2bright, SaltySam, sandee, Search4truth, Sharrukin, Socmodfiscon, Spanky, Spypeach, Stenwin77, Trs, Unseen, VBMax, Victor82, Weight of Glory.
PERRY (36) [Current 17.3%, Previous, 17.5%, High 17.6%] – Annoyinglittletwerp, Aslans Girl, Bluefox, Buckichick1, Bullhead, Cartooner, Christian Conservative, Cmsinaz, Darwin, Dire Straits, Dr. evil, El_terrible, Flyfisher, Gophergirl, HondaV65, Jeffn21, JeffWeimer, JohnGalt23, JonPrichard, Juliesa, kg598301, Marcus, Meh, muckdog, NickDeringer, OneGyT, Rukiddingme, SlaveDog, stacman, Steve Z, TheRightMan, Thuja, Tommylott, VoterfromWAState, XWing5, Y-not.
ROMNEY (25) [Current 12.0%, Previous, 12.4%, High 8.5%] – Acasilico, Andy85719, Basilbeast, Bob in VA, Buy Danish, Chudi, csdeven, Faraway, g2825, goRBNY, jjshaka, Joepub, Lorien1973, MJ Brutus, Nswider, Pcoop, Petunia, Sheryl, SurferDude, Sugar land, Swamp Yankee, Texann56, The Prez, Thuja, Voter from WA State.
BACHMANN (2) [Current 0.9%, Previous, 0.5%, High <5.0%] – FloatingRock, astoneril
PAUL (1) [Current 0.5%, Previous, 0.5%, High <5.0%] – iamse7en
**HUNTSMAN (2) [Current 0.9%, Previous, 0.5%, High <5.0%] – Abby Adams, Bitsy (**NEW ADD)
***LAWN GNOME (1) [Current 0.5%, Previous, 0.5%, High <5.0%] – JetBoy (NEW ADD)

As a comparison from what I gather there are 24 Former/Current Palin supporters declared at HA…only half have committed to another candidate. That tends to put Romney’s support in perspective and his possible nomination in great jeopardy statistically speaking.
PALINITES (24) – Annoyinglittletwerp, Astoneril, Bill C, Cindy Munford, Capitalist piglet, CS89, Ddrintn, dec5, InkyBinkyBarleyBoo, JonPrichard, Leftnomore, Listen2glenn, Marcus, NoLeftTurn, Promachus, pugwriter, Puncheko, RedLizard64, right2bright, Tencole, The_nile, There Goes The Neighborhood, Western_Civ, Who is John Galt.

Percentages might exceed 100% due to rounding. If for any reason I have you under the wrong candidates tent, I have you listed under more than one candidate, or you would like to throw your name behind a different candidate you can update me at prov22.17-21@juno.com (three people have updated this way.
Provided as service towards eventual coalescing behind he/she who saved the people from Him Who Is No Longer Mentioned (HWINLM).

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:28 PM

Michael Gerson tried mightily at the Washington Post yesterday, leaning heavily on Romney’s business experience and cultural background to argue that Romney’s current positions are probably more natural to him than those he adopted for more than a decade as a Massachusetts politician.

say no more………Gerson is a RINO at best and Bush 43 lackey.

PappyD61 on November 1, 2011 at 1:28 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:28 PM

Hmmmm, Gingrich? I think I’m more a anybody but Romney person.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 1:33 PM

There is no conservative case for this guy…

deedtrader on November 1, 2011 at 1:37 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Duly noted (did say some were thought implicit)…removing from gingrich camp until you declare support openly for a candidate.

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:57 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:57 PM

LOL! I can understand the the confusion.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 2:04 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:28 PM

Don’t you think you ought to get a life? Besides, this is old. Some other idiot is already spending hours upon hours compiling that list. HEY! Maybe the two of you ought to put your lists together to see which one of you has less of a life?

csdeven on November 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM

the conservative case is made at sites like intoRightField.com and WhyRomney.com.

Reagan didnt win by being as conservative as he is remembered. that needs correcting.

Drunk Report on November 1, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Don’t you think you ought to get a life?

csdeven on November 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Is there some reason it bothers you?
Don’t you have a Mitt Romney concert to go to?

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 2:28 PM

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 2:28 PM

LOL!!

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 2:31 PM

If the nomination went to Romney, I’d have no trouble pulling the lever for Mitt in November 2012, and I’d be ruddy pleased to do so.

That really is the bottom line. I dont care what people do in the primaries, vote for whoever you want, but I think more posts need to have this point emphasized. Getting pretty sick of the “if its Romney Ill stay home” garbage.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 2:38 PM

You think George Compassionate Conservative Bush was an ideologue? Oh my!

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Absolutely. Scratch a neocon and they bleed statism.

evergreen on November 1, 2011 at 2:50 PM

evergreen on November 1, 2011 at 2:50 PM

How would his presidency have gone without 9/11?

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 2:55 PM

csdeven on November 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM

My dear young man…I do not post nearly as many comments as you (i am more of a reader). Neither to I get into a lot of FLAME ups with everyone at the drop of a pin. If it is distracting to you you are free to ignore or attempt to have me banished. I try not to interfere in other peoples or give unwnated advice, perhaps you could see fit to work along the same lines…respectfully…

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM

You do realize you will now be accused of respectfully stalking and obsessing?

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Well the sad part is I just paid him a compliment (actually heart-felt) less than a week ago on another post. And as per his:

Don’t you think you ought to get a life? Besides, this is old. Some other idiot is already spending hours upon hours compiling that list. HEY! Maybe the two of you ought to put your lists together to see which one of you has less of a life?

csdeven on November 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM

I AM that other idiot…I merely changed format so it was easier to digest. Hence my allusion to the “drop of a pin”. I really don’t care who anyone else supports I am secure in my own masculinity/femininity…I do suspect that CS has an issue because it shows his candidate beeing about half of the support of the #2 person supported here at HA. It’s sad because he (? rather emotional at times so not sure) has a fairly decent line of critical thinking when it comes to espousesing what he believes and why he supports…but he just can’t wrap his brain around HOW others could possible come up with different conclusions or GASP…have diffferent preferences from his own.

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Morrissey: The one argument for Romney that actually works with conservatives is that he’d be a better President than our current incumbent by a country mile.

Conservatives? No. Unprincipled, myopic Republicans, yes.

We get the leaders we deserve. If you are so unprincipled as to vote for anyone with an “R” by his name, simply to beat the guy with the “D” by his name, then by all means, vote for Romney. In four or eight years, you will get another lovely full slate of unprincipled Republican candidates, who have ample evidence that their kind are much more likely to be elected than the principled kind. Success! Give yourself a high-five!

Splashman on November 1, 2011 at 3:16 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Don’t waste a minute thinking about it.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 3:24 PM

My dear young man…I do not post nearly as many comments as you (i am more of a reader). Neither to I get into a lot of FLAME ups with everyone at the drop of a pin. If it is distracting to you you are free to ignore or attempt to have me banished. I try not to interfere in other peoples or give unwnated advice, perhaps you could see fit to work along the same lines…respectfully…

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Bravo!

Vince on November 1, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Romney – Having flipped, he could not flop without risking a conservative revolt. As a result, conservatives would have considerable leverage over a Romney administration.

Republicans politicians commonly betray Conservatives with the strategy “where are they going to go?”

Now, as we choose a candidate, is the time for Conservatives to “go” to a real conservative.

RJL on November 1, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Allow me to blow some minds:

What if Romney’s previous positions as a politician in Massachusetts were a result of him pandering to a much more liberal electorate, and his true positions are the ones he espouses now?

Seixon

What if bigfoot is real, and he rides a unicorn?

If what you allege is true, that’s even worse. Any so-called Conservative that would abandon his principles and govern as a liberal is not the guy for me. That’s like a pro-life doctor applying for a job at Planned Parenthood so they can perform abortions.

And by the way, you do know liberals/democrats aren’t stuck in Massachusetts only, don’t you? Sheesh, imagine what he’ll do as president, seeing as how about 1/3 – 1/2 of the population is made up of liberals/democrats, not to mention what will happen if the dems hold the senate, or retake the house any time in the next 4-8 years.

The only mind you’ve blown is your own. Mitt is no Conservative.

xblade on November 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM

How would his presidency have gone without 9/11?

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Less political cover. As far as I can see, both GWB’s domestic and foreign policy were different versions of “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

God save us from another one of those.

evergreen on November 1, 2011 at 3:51 PM

evergreen on November 1, 2011 at 3:51 PM

I don’t see him as a conservative and certainly a member of the “we know best crowd” but I don’t put him in the same league with The Won.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 4:04 PM

RJL on November 1, 2011 at 3:43 PM

I wish I was convinced of who that is.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Is there some reason it bothers you?

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Why do you care if it bothers me?

csdeven on November 1, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Why do you care if it bothers me?

csdeven on November 1, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Because you are frequently obnoxious to anyone who doesn’t think the way you do, or you perceive as a threat to your favored candidate, and those sorts of people annoy me.

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Ronald Reagan wasn’t running in MA for governor.

I’ve been making Gerson’s points for years, and my fellow conservatives aren’t having it. Too many of them are filled with bile from Anti-Romney websites. Romney is a turnaround specialist. He’s perfectly qualified for the number one problem we face. I refuse to believe that he would get in office and then renounce what he has said about energy independence through developing our natural resources, and repealing Obamacare. America should be hiring him as a consultant, no matter whom it elects as President.

flataffect on November 1, 2011 at 4:25 PM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM

I’m surprised you have any time at all to comment. It’s baffling that you actually believe that the hours and hours of stalking you do will result in any data that will be of any practical use. This site is not a representative sample of the electorate at large. As a matter of fact, it attracts a fair amount of people like yourself who get obsessed with other members. I don’t want any member silenced. Heck I don’t even ask people to be banned who threaten me with physical harm or actually research my children by trying to talk to those who they work with.

As far as you being that same person, sorry. I don’t generally pay attention to their names of those who comment. I simply respond to their comments. And your stalking of everyone here is a bit strange.

Additionally, I know why others come to different conclusions that I do. They are misguided. :-)

csdeven on November 1, 2011 at 4:28 PM

….and those sorts of people annoy me.

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Why?

csdeven on November 1, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Hmmmm, Gingrich? I think I’m more a anybody but Romney person.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Yeah, I’m also a switch hitter,..can bat from either all sides but one.:) But, Newt’s group may be a good place to lay up for a while and emjoy the parade.

a capella on November 1, 2011 at 4:34 PM

emjoy

would be enjoy

a capella on November 1, 2011 at 4:35 PM

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 11:25 AM

You know, most of you Palin lunatics moved onto other stuff to obsess over. You should take stock of your personality dysfunction if you ever want to be taken seriously by rational people.

csdeven on November 1, 2011 at 1:02 PM

… said the kettle to the pot.

Midas on November 1, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Now if Perry could just stop flip flopping, and Cain could realize that if you settle a case dealing with sexual matters like Senator Larry Craig of Idaho did, you are presumed guilty.

And I know strangely nobody cares about Reagan signing an abortion bill.

Flip flopping you see, apparently is cool if Reagan does it.

scotash on November 1, 2011 at 4:42 PM

You mean Romney’s stint at Bain Capital where they closed a plant in IN and other places and shipped overseas? Looks to me like Romney’s been running for office or the Olypics head which he lobbied the Mormon Church to get since the early 90′s so where is that business stills we keep hearing about.

He took MA to #47 for job creation and left the state in debt that is getting deeper thanks to Romneycare.

Excuse me but when you flip flop on core issues, no thank you. That’s one of the things that got him in 2008 and he is worse this time. He is also beholding to Wall Street with all his money raising on Wall Street.

This is one conservative who will not vote for Romney no matter how much Karl Rove tries to spin by dropping stories. That dog doesn’t hunt for me. In fact Romney, Rove, and Bush 41 along with the Republican establishment can take and shove it on Romney. I am not voting for him in the general either. I don’t vote for candidates who have zero core values no matter who they are. The flip flopper needs to go remodel his mansion in LaJolla and get out of politics at least Republican conservative politics because he is a non-starter.

PhiKapMom on November 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM

a capella on November 1, 2011 at 4:34 PM

He is definitely the most enjoyable to listen to since way back in an empty House of Rep. on C-Span cameras days.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM

I wish you sanctimonious “true conservatives” would form your own party and nominate your perfect candidate. If he/she exists, that is, which I suspect is an impossibility. You all would now be hating on Reagan if he were still around.

But, to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, you govern with the system you have, not the system you wish you had. Right now we only have two viable parties, and it’s either gotta be Obama or The Other Guy.

Obama is–what’s the word?–horrendous. I want The Other Guy. And it’s a low bar–someone qualified, that’s all I ask. Problem is, I’m an independent, so I need the Republicans to provide that person. An electable person. The base has no interest in doing that.

They only want to “make a statement.” Evidently by staying home if they don’t get their true conservative.

Well, I hope your sanctimony and your “principles” keep you warm, because four more years of Obama is going to make this country a very cold place.

Meredith on November 1, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Meredith on November 1, 2011 at 5:18 PM

You’ll be alright.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Getting pretty sick of the “if its Romney Ill stay home” garbage.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Don’t care what you’re sick of. I’m sick of being told I have to support garbage candidates. I don’t. My vote matters to me. Turd candidate of the day isn’t entitled to it; they have to earn it; that’s why it’s called a campaign. Problem is, Romney is such a lying sack of **ap, I can’t believe anything he says; he won’t get my support. I didn’t vote for McCain either; I have no regrets except that old bag of garbage won his Senate reelection. My advice to you: buy a lot of barfbags, because you’re going to be sick a lot if you nominate Romney. My advice to the GOP: take your RINO retreads and stick ‘em; you’ll get nothing out of me until I get a candidate worth voting for.

austinnelly on November 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM

If the republicans response to Barack Obama is Mitt Romney, I think it’s fair to say that the political class in America is hopeless beyond recovery. As I see it, then, any hope for a correction from the inexorable leftward drift of our society (nevermind any hope to avert the horrors which attend the aggressive Leftist agenda) would have to come entirely from a ground up takeover of the republican party or through a third party.

The establishment Left is unanimously and relentlessly consumed with total unnegotiable power and control over every aspect of society. The establishment Right has no comparable, measurable intensity of interest in anything other maybe than mere survival and/or a seat at the table — certainly not in identifying or stopping the Left.

The republicans haven’t the skill or will to find or back a candidate with an ideological commitment to basic conservatism remotely equivalent to the democrat’s commtiment to radical leftism.

rrpjr on November 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM

austinnelly on November 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM

I won’t know until Nov. 2012 if I can match your courage but I have zero problem with your decision.

The republicans haven’t the skill or will to find or back a candidate with an ideological commitment to basic conservatism remotely equivalent to the democrat’s commtiment to radical leftism.

rrpjr on November 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Not only that but if given the opportunity they will squelch any possible chance that we will get a conservative, example Crist over Rubio.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Anyone remember Carnac the Magnificent??

Kim Kardashian Marriage
Britney Spears Marriage
Obama Campaign Promises

Answer: Things that expire faster than a Romney Flip-Flop.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 1, 2011 at 6:04 PM

This is the guy we voted for! I guess some of knew!
A Coil of Rage
The character of any man is defined by how he treats his mother as the years pass …. need I say more about this person below other than there is no character, no integrity but there is a ton of attitude and arrogance that defines his shallow past and hollow future …. I rest my case..
I bought and read Obama’s book, Audacity of Hope. It was difficult to read considering his attitude toward us and everything American. Let me add a phrase he used to describe his attitude toward whites. He harbors a “COIL OF RAGE”. His words not mine.
THIS IS OUR PRESIDENT — HE’S RUNNING AGAIN, YOU KNOW! Is anyone out there awake?
Everyone of voting age should read these two books by him: Don’t buy them, just get them from the library.
From Dreams From My Father:
“I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”
From Dreams From My Father :
“I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.”
From Dreams From My Father:
“There was something about her that made me wary, a little too sure of herself, maybe and white.”
From Dreams From My Father:
“It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”
From Dreams From My Father:
“I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself: the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”
And FINALLY ……….. and most scary:
From Audacity of Hope:
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
If you have never forwarded an e-mail, now is the time to do so!!! We have someone with this mentality running our GREAT nation! Keep your eye on him and don’t blink.
I don’t care whether you are a Democrat, a Republican, a Conservative or a liberal, be aware of the attitude and character of this sitting President.
There is a reason there remains a gag order on his college thesis, it is thought to be highly inflammatory from a race perspective! Both his and Michelle’s.

Bambi on November 1, 2011 at 6:13 PM

austinnelly on November 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Staying home not voting for McCain really worked out well for the Country didnt it. McCain would have been a far better President then the one we have in office. Not one of these guys are perfect conservatives, not one, but do what you want to do, there is more then enough independents in Pennsylvania and other soon to be formerly blue states to make up for you.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 6:36 PM

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Seems odd to castigate someone for taking their vote seriously.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM

It would be nice if people would stop being such hypocrites on this issue.

Cain has changed his positions more in the last 2 weeks than Romney has in a decade..but that is okay, because he is a true conservative.

Newt Gingrich and the Heritage Foundation supported the Mass health Care plan..but that is okay, because they are real conservatives so they can change their positions.

Rush Limbaugh went from calling Romney a true conservative to a Rino in three years..but that is okay because Rush is a true conservative and so he is above any charges of inconsistency.

Even when it comes to global warming Romney has not actually changed his position all that much..if you read his book. But his position is complicated and not given to 30 second soundbites so it is easy for people to make an issue of it. To people whose entire attitude can be summed in “global warming bullsh*t” I am sure his remarks do sound convoluted..but he did not vote for Mass to be a part of some silly regional global warming pact because he did not want to destroy the economy…

But no matter, people do not care about reality. They want their prince to come in on his big white horse and save them from the big bad Rino. Not gonna happen.

Terrye on November 1, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Seems odd to castigate someone for taking their vote seriously.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM

There is nothing wrong with taking your vote seriously. However, if you can’t come up with a candidate who is better and who can win then what does sitting home accomplish? If we get 4 more years of Obama because people decided to sit home and pout..I really don’t want to listen to them complain about what they get. But they will.

Terrye on November 1, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Terrye on November 1, 2011 at 7:01 PM

I will think long and hard before I just vote against Obama. I think the Republican party is in need of a serious lesson. I won’t sit home but right now I could easily not vote for the office. Maybe the nominee will convince me, that’s his job. Somehow the Republican party needs to wise up.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM

The commenter went after me first Cindy and Im tired of so called “true conservatives” basically trying to hold people hostage into voting for their chosen candidate over Romney “or else Ill stay home.” Its not a noble stance, its a childish one.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 7:10 PM

there is more then enough independents in Pennsylvania and other soon to be formerly blue states to make up for you.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Could there be a more convincing statement of the fallacy, unsuitability and pure wrongness of Mitt Romney.

rrpjr on November 1, 2011 at 7:15 PM

rrpjr on November 1, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Yeah I know, the correct course is someone who turns off independents but is “pure” so we can feel good about ourselves when we lose. Problem is, not one of these candidates are that conservative, but only one of them so far has shown he can debate and run a campaign effectively. The evil RINO Romney…who every conservative commentator wanted in 2008.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 7:17 PM

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 7:10 PM

Who are you to decide what is childish? Stop whining about “true conservatives” and realize that some of us obviously are looking for something different from out government representatives.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 7:34 PM

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 7:17 PM

No, it’s not that. If you listen carefully, there is simply no politically moving or positively meaningful case for Mitt Romney. Rather, it’s a composite of coercion, compromise and “who needs you, anyway?” Is it so hard to understand the frustrations, resentments and ultimate demoralization attendant to such a campaign which this just has to produce?

E..g., there’s no one else, it’s his turn, he’s electable, he’s the least worse and better than Obama, he can’t possibly phuck us over anymore because he’s done it so many times already, he’ll be held in check by republicans in the congress (those stalwart keepers of the flame!). The idea that an argument is actually being made on a conservative website that he doesn’t need to win over recalcitrant voters who actually care about the integrity of conservatism (smeared over and over as “purity”) is astonishing. You don’t think this has “loser” stamped all over it?

rrpjr on November 1, 2011 at 7:35 PM

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Who am I? A commentator, with an opinion, expressing it just like you are. Im not whining about true conservatives, Im mocking them, because they arent true conservatives. Rush Limbaugh in the general, will vote for Romney, Mark Levin in the general, will vote for Romney, Ed in the general will vote for Romney. These are “true conservatives”. They understand what is at stake and understand that when you decide to stay home what you are doing is helping Obama. Mature people understand that sometimes you have to make decisions that arent perfect, but good. This is what adults understand while childish “true conservatives” stay home and pout.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 7:40 PM

rrpjr on November 1, 2011 at 7:35 PM

Read his book, watch his CPAC speech from 2008 after he dropped out of the race and he had nothing to gain anymore. Listen to Cain who said he would want Mitt as his VP. Romney isnt perfect, but he doesnt think he can win without conservatives, he doesnt have a “who needs them” mentality. This writer doesnt speak for Romney.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 7:43 PM

I will think long and hard before I just vote against Obama. I think the Republican party is in need of a serious lesson. I won’t sit home but right now I could easily not vote for the office. Maybe the nominee will convince me, that’s his job. Somehow the Republican party needs to wise up.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Do you now think the republican party had a real slap upside the head with mccain? Vote for whom you will in the primary, but make sure he can stack up against obama, but we’d better support who ever comes through the primary or we won’t have a country left to rescue.
My heck, you can sit home or do what you want, unfortunately, we will all be governed by the choice you don’t mind living with. Think wall street protestors, obama supports them, they are his army and heaven help us if it isn’t stopped at the latest by election day.

Bambi on November 1, 2011 at 8:08 PM

That should have been “do you not think>

Bambi on November 1, 2011 at 8:09 PM

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Yes, name calling is a incredibly brilliant tactic. All this heat over hypotheticals. Who knows what anyone will do when it comes right down to it? How anyone uses their vote is their business as long as it’s legal.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Bambi on November 1, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Do I think the Republicans learned anything since Sen. McCain. No or they wouldn’t be pushing Gov. Romney. They would have the good sense to keep their mouths shut and let the people decide, then climb on board. The only reason I can think of right now that would induce me to vote for Gov. Romney in the general is that none of the options were very good to begin with and I had zero chance of getting a small government candidate anyway. It’s hard to wrap any pom poms around that.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 8:34 PM

PhiKapMom on November 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Your information is so far off base it is laughable. Romney did not LOBBY the Mormon Church to lead the Olympics. Tom Welch and Dave Johnson ran the Olympics into the ground and millions of dollars in debt and it was the SLOC that asked Romney (known for turning businesses around when they are in the hole) to come in and try to “save” the Olympics. He eventually did and today if THE ONLY Olympics to make a PROFIT!!!!
As far as your other comments about Romney they are like everyone else’s here on HA more and more, full of half truths so you can continue to make claims about Romney that are FALSE!

I do not know what is wrong with many of you here on HA but as this continues to get on deeper into the campaign, I do not know if it is because your candidate is losing so you have to rip and lie about Romney to pull him down, but the comments on Romney are false OR you leave out details that would hurt your assumptions.

OUR focus needs to be strengthening OUR candidate to get Obama out of office. I agree with the posters that say to sit home is a waste of your time and mine frankly as I fight overseas for your right and privilege to go vote. Something I have seen Iraqis and Afghanis take serious with the threat of death over them.

g2825m on November 2, 2011 at 3:11 AM

RedLizard64

I appreciate the time you took to compile that list. Very interesting. thanks!

g2825m on November 2, 2011 at 3:13 AM

g2825m on November 2, 2011 at 3:11 AM

As far as your other comments about Romney they are like everyone else’s here on HA more and more, full of half truths so you can continue to make claims about Romney that are FALSE!

Romney isn’t conservative just because you say he is. He has a demonstrated liberal streak that, in the case of Romneycare, veers closer to socialism than it does to anything considered “conservative.” That streak has not been explained except through tortured logic and unpersuasive explanations (honestly…saying his stance on global warming is too complicated to cover in a thirty-second soundbite? It’s not all that complicated to say: Global Warming theory is based on shoddy science. I can say that in under 5 seconds. Why can’t he?).

I do not know what is wrong with many of you here on HA but as this continues to get on deeper into the campaign, I do not know if it is because your candidate is losing so you have to rip and lie about Romney to pull him down, but the comments on Romney are false OR you leave out details that would hurt your assumptions.

Hmm…Quinnipiac today shows Cain 7 points over Romney. Better get a new talking point, or is it now that only Cain supporters can criticize Romney without being accused of bad faith?

OUR focus needs to be strengthening OUR candidate to get Obama out of office. I agree with the posters that say to sit home is a waste of your time and mine frankly as I fight overseas for your right and privilege to go vote. Something I have seen Iraqis and Afghanis take serious with the threat of death over them.

So now you’re trying to assert absolute moral authority? Gosh, thanks for your service but that doesn’t mean I’m going to accept being bullied by a RINO. :)

Since you’re so big on what *WE* should be doing, why not listen to the sizeable contingent of the GOP base who have serious concerns about Romney and be honest in addressing them, instead of trying to bully them off the stage? That’s what the adult would do, after all, and I thought Romney was supposed to be the adult.

The thing you’re either missing or are glossing over is that it doesn’t HAVE to be Romney. Not yet, and (frankly, I hope) not ever.

JohnTant on November 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM

RedLizard64 on November 1, 2011 at 1:28 PM

Better to probably remove my name…I was hardly a “Palin supporter” this time around, certainly not a Gringrich supporter….
I am a supporter of all the candidates, I think this is the strongest field ever assembled to be President…my comments are generally regarding the issue at hand, so if their are a lot of posts regarding Cain (as an example) than I may appear to be a supporter or critical of him…but it does not reflect who I am “supporting”, it reflects more on just commenting.
You have a very strange way of analyzing…Palin supporter? Newt supporter? Good grief…you have too much time and you waste it on wrong analysis.

right2bright on November 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM

I agree with the posters that say to sit home is a waste of your time and mine frankly as I fight overseas for your right and privilege to go vote. Something I have seen Iraqis and Afghanis take serious with the threat of death over them.

Politicizing your service into a morally superior cudgel is sickening. Lump it. Romney is a fraud and a weakling. On his own volition he instituted a sweeping plan for socialized medicine whose costs and consequences continue to reverberate and who has otherwise demonstrated no consistent or principled conservatism on any core issues. He inspires no one. More importantly, he’s a literal political imbecile. He couldn’t fight or face John McCain or Mike Huckabee or even look them squarely in the eyes in 2008, and when challenged in 2011 lapses into irritable condescension. He’ll get eviscerated by the Left. Ted Kennedy tore him to pieces for his political inconstancy over the years and that was in the early 1990s. He only won his gubernatorial race in Massachusetts because he ran against a weak nobody. Untold numbers will sit out the race in 2012 if by some chance he even wins the nomination. He’s a pathetic anachronism and the apostle of the failed political non-belief system of RINOism in its dying days.

rrpjr on November 2, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Republicans are hellbent on losing 2012.

I am an Indy, ex Dimocrat after the last election, ditto husband and many friends.
No way will we ever mark a ballot for Mitties Flippity Flop. And we are the centrist types.
The problem is that Mitties is just not likeable.

And very repulsive is the Establishment and MSM (who won’t vote for a Repub. anyway) coronation of M F Flop, e.g. Obama II.

hpushkin on November 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Eh, speak for yourself. We aren’t centrists, either, but I’m almost sure I’m going to vote for Romney. Last time around I was a Fred Thompson supporter until that didn’t matter anymore, and the spouse reluctantly was supporting Romney. This time around, I find him as likable as any of them. When I looked at the Bachmann hash tag on Twitter once, the only comment I saw that wasn’t drooling hatred was Romney congratulating her on winning the Iowa straw poll. He strikes me as a fairly decent human being and probably more competent than Rick Perry or Herman Cain. Who else is there?

evergreen on November 2, 2011 at 4:14 PM

If the republicans response to Barack Obama is Mitt Romney, I think it’s fair to say that the political class in America is hopeless beyond recovery.

You’re just now figuring that out? They are hopeless. They’ve always been.

As I see it, then, any hope for a correction from the inexorable leftward drift of our society (nevermind any hope to avert the horrors which attend the aggressive Leftist agenda) would have to come entirely from a ground up takeover of the republican party or through a third party.

Also known as making sure that not even a wishy-washy conservative will ever get elected again. Great plan.

The establishment Left is unanimously and relentlessly consumed with total unnegotiable power and control over every aspect of society. The establishment Right has no comparable, measurable intensity of interest in anything other maybe than mere survival and/or a seat at the table — certainly not in identifying or stopping the Left.

The republicans haven’t the skill or will to find or back a candidate with an ideological commitment to basic conservatism remotely equivalent to the democrat’s commtiment to radical leftism.

rrpjr on November 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Yes, I concede this. So what? I don’t want to be a frothing netizen. Conservatism is about getting on with your life, not taking over everyone else’s, and that’s how I plan to protest the both the right’s and the left’s busybody tendencies.

evergreen on November 2, 2011 at 4:37 PM

I don’t see him as a conservative and certainly a member of the “we know best crowd” but I don’t put him in the same league with The Won.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 4:04 PM

GWB and Obama have always struck me as being cut from the same mold. They’ve got these big ideas that they’re sure are gonna work, and they’re going to pursue those ideological commitments come hell or high water. Meanwhile they’re totally insular because they believe in the righteousness of their causes (and in Obama’s case, of the righteousness of his own halo) more than practical governance. This has caused a polarization and negativity in our country that is neither healthy nor helpful to conservatism.

I hated the Clintons and thought they were cynical and corrupt, but looking back, we at least got things like welfare reform out of them, and when HilaryCare went down like a lead balloon, they had the sense to back off. The type of politician who has his finger in the wind is at least responsive to popular pressure to perform. I might come out of the ballot box feeling like I have to take a shower, but I’ll take that discomfort over having another caped crusader.

So, that’s what Bush and Obama taught me. Hurrah for mediocrity.

evergreen on November 2, 2011 at 4:59 PM

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