Cain on China: “They’re trying to develop nuclear capability”; Update: Cain getting a bad rap?

posted at 9:05 pm on November 1, 2011 by Allahpundit

Via Ace, skip ahead to 11:30 or so for the key bit. The quote:

HERMAN CAIN: I do view China as a potential military threat to the United States.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And what could you do as president to head that off?

HERMAN CAIN: My China strategy is quite simply outgrow China. It gets back to economics. China has a $6 trillion economy and they’re growing at approximately 10 percent. We have a $14 trillion economy — much bigger — but we’re growing at an anemic 1.5, 1.6 percent. When we get our economy growing back at the rate of 5 or 6 percent that it has the ability to do, we will outgrow China.

And secondly, we already have superiority in terms of our military capability, and I plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority, going back to my statement: peace through strength and clarity. So yes they’re a military threat. They’ve indicated that they’re trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.

The phrasing’s slightly ambiguous so it becomes a rorschach test on Cain. If you like him and trust that he has a grasp on policy, you’ll think he’s referring here to developing nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. The Pentagon’s chief worry right now is China building any sort of carrier, not necessarily a nuclear one, so this would be an odd bit of specificity from Cain. But fair enough — a Chinese nuclear carrier would indeed be a big deal. If you don’t like him and/or don’t trust him on policy, you’ll think he’s referring here to China developing a general nuclear capability, i.e. nuclear weapons. Which, as pretty much everyone in the world except maybe him knows, they’ve already had for decades. The way the sentence is phrased, with the two parts separated by “and,” it sounds like he’s distinguishing the nuclear component conceptually from the carriers. Could a guy who didn’t know what the “right of return” was and who whiffed on the biggest softball question ever about Gitmo really not know that China has a nuclear deterrent? I’m thinking … maybe. Although it won’t be spun that way tomorrow, needless to say.

The fact that we’re about to have a debate in the comments about whether he knows China has nukes doesn’t bode well for the general election campaign against Obama.

Watch Cain Confident He Can Win Nomination, Says Harassment Claims Are ‘Baseless’ on PBS. See more from PBS NewsHour.

Update: I didn’t see it last night, but here’s what commenter Jason Coleman had to say about Cain’s background with China and nukes:

Herman Cain spent the Vietnam war evaluating the capabilities of the Chinese to deliver a nuclear weapon onto the heads of our forces in South Vietnam.

He examined the test launches of the Dongfeng 1 (SS-1) and plotted out the trajectories for a 500kg warheads.

When China started testing the Dongfeng 2 (CSS-1) Cain plotted out the trajectories and capabilities of it’s delivery of 15 kiloton nuclear weapons.

Both of these missiles were provided to the PRC by the Soviets, Cain analysed data from the Russian test launches and determined the risk to U.S. troops in SE Asia.

Cain also observed the development of China’s first domestically produced missile, Dongfeng 3 (CSS-2) and plotted out it’s use with China’s 15-20KT fissile devices as well as China’s new thermonuclear devices.

Finally, Cain was involved in the determination that China’s Dongfeng 4 (CSS-3) was capable of delivering both fissile and thermonuclear devices to both Moscow and Guam as well as cover the entire deployment of U.S. forces in SE Asia.

Cain is well aware of China’s nuclear missile capability, the only reasonable conclusion is that Cain was indeed referring to China’s attempts to develop and sail their first nuclear aircraft carrier and their attempts to develop more dangerous nuclear cruisers.

I would have broken this out into a separate post except that, after googling, I can’t find anything to confirm Coleman’s claims that Cain spent time on Chinese nukes while he worked on ballistics in the Navy. I e-mailed Coleman to ask for his source but haven’t heard back. He mentioned in another comment last night that some of this is in Cain’s book; I haven’t read it yet but anyone who has is welcome to confirm or deny. Cain’s website says of his time working for the Navy, “Herman continued his education by earning his Master’s degree in computer science from Purdue University while working full-time developing fire control systems for ships and fighter planes for the Department of the Navy,” but Coleman claimed in his second comment that that description is incomplete. If so, I’m surprised Cain hasn’t talked more about his Navy work as a foreign-policy credential. We’ve heard endlessly about Pillsbury and Godfather’s Pizza, but the only time I remember him talking at any length about his Navy work was when Lawrence O’Donnell tried to demagogue him for being some sort of draft dodger. (He told O’Donnell he worked on a “rocket-assisted projectile.”) In any case, there’s at least some reason to doubt the theory that Cain didn’t know about China’s nuke stockpile. Duly noted.

Update: Jason Coleman e-mails to say that some of the details he provided are in Cain’s book, some have been gleaned from bits of info dropped by Cain on the trail, and some he knows from chatting with Cain’s former colleagues. He has no online links to point me too (Cain’s work for the Navy long predated the Internet, obviously) but will send them along if he finds any.

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It doesn’t matter how you define what Cain said, he isn’t an authentic black man anyway so his words don’t count.

Bishop on November 1, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Cain is not ready for Prime Time

RedSoxNation on November 1, 2011 at 9:07 PM

What an idiot.

bigred on November 1, 2011 at 9:07 PM

The fact that we’re about to have a debate in the comments about whether he knows China has nukes doesn’t bode well for the general election campaign against Obama.

Or speak fondly of Cain’s more unbalanced critics, which can probably be placed into the “reflex” category right about now.

I’m uncomfortably reminded how Sarah Palin’s recitation of the Vice President’s constitutional duties (president of the Senate) was spun as her being an unrivaled blithering moron by our intellectual betters, essentially rewriting the Constitution on our behalf.

KingGold on November 1, 2011 at 9:08 PM

He would lose to Obama; he’d make a strong VP and future President…

RedSoxNation on November 1, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Allah. That is exactly what he meant and you know it. Spend less time with Ace. OK?

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 9:08 PM

oh boy

AshleyTKing on November 1, 2011 at 9:10 PM

That all-foreign policy debate this month will be interesting.

Jon0815 on November 1, 2011 at 9:10 PM

Romney looking better and better. lol.

rickyricardo on November 1, 2011 at 9:10 PM

People on the other threads have been talking about this, I guess its just pile on Cain week. Welcome to be first in the polls Herman.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Really? This is the guy who is going to take on Mitt? Maybe next time.

El_Terrible on November 1, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Cain,was a Ballistic Missile Mathematicain in da US Navy!!

Cut him some slack!!!

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Cainbots claiming Allahpundit is destroying conservatism in 3…2..

mythicknight on November 1, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Right of… return?

El_Terrible on November 1, 2011 at 9:13 PM

It is Romey’s nomination to lose.

The Notorious G.O.P on November 1, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Did he mention the 57 states…?

d1carter on November 1, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Let me guess. His quote (on video) will be taken out of context. Good Lord!

Nelsa on November 1, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Could a guy who didn’t know what the “right of return” was and who whiffed on the biggest softball question ever about Gitmo really not know that China has a nuclear deterrent? I’m thinking … maybe. Although it won’t be spun that way tomorrow, needless to say.

The fact that we’re about to have a debate in the comments about whether he knows China has nukes doesn’t bode well for the general election campaign against Obama.

Well said, but, ohh, Cain’s fumble.

Lourdes on November 1, 2011 at 9:13 PM

El_Terrible on November 1, 2011 at 9:12 PM

If not him I dont know who else, Perry has just as many problems. But as a Romney supporter I dont really care either way, but I think Cain has the most enthusiasm even though these “scandals”.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

People will keep supporting him and donating. The dolt can do nothing wrong in some people’s eyes.

IR-MN on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Allah. That is exactly what he meant and you know it. Spend less time with Ace. OK?

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 9:08 PM

I’m still unsure if Allah and Ace aren’t the same person!

Anyways, this is why I voted for Gingrich in the last HotAir poll.

SouthernGent on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Allah. That is exactly what he meant and you know it. Spend less time with Ace. OK?

No, I’m afraid I don’t know it. And neither do a lot of your fellow commenters here, apparently.

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Methinks Hermie’s headed for veepdom.

Shirotayama on November 1, 2011 at 9:15 PM

He’s a very nice man, and he has some good ideas. However, he’s a rookie on many big issues and sending a neophyte politician in to represent us against a consummate pol with the media riding shotgun is quite risky. “The Establishment” may have become controversial, but they got to be the establishment by knowing what works. We need to win this election. We must put forth the very strongest candidate we can from among those who are in the field at this point. Whoever that is.

Jill1066 on November 1, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Sixteenth look at Newt?

IrishEi on November 1, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Could a guy who didn’t know what the “right of return” was and who whiffed on the biggest softball question ever about Gitmo really not know that China has a nuclear deterrent? I’m thinking … maybe. Although it won’t be spun that way tomorrow, needless to say.

The fact that we’re about to have a debate in the comments about whether he knows China has nukes doesn’t bode well for the general election campaign against Obama

But, on the other hand, how uninformed was Barack Obama one year before the election? I think he coasted on the celebrity-appeal and thus, the Lefthand media’s intensive NEED to create and maintain the swoon over the guy. Also noting Obama’s ongoing reliance upon teleprompters for public speaking…which means, he may remain as highly unknowledgeable, so to speak, as before he was elected, he just has better scripts to read now.

Lourdes on November 1, 2011 at 9:16 PM

If you like him and trust that he has a grasp on policy,

Does anyone seriously believe this, after all of his previous gaffes?

itsnotaboutme on November 1, 2011 at 9:16 PM

I lobe Romney, but this is a BS attack. When you are doing the number of interviews he has done in the last 24 hrs, you can misspeak.

All of you must be really perfect…

Chudi on November 1, 2011 at 9:16 PM

People on the other threads have been talking about this, I guess its just pile on Cain week. Welcome to be first in the polls Herman.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:11 PM

I have to say I’m enjoying the break from “Pile on Perry”

gophergirl on November 1, 2011 at 9:16 PM

I think Cain has the most enthusiasm even though these “scandals”.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Agree. I’m a Perry supporter, but its looking like this race is over before the end of January (Romney).

El_Terrible on November 1, 2011 at 9:16 PM

No, I’m afraid I don’t know it. And neither do a lot of your fellow commenters here, apparently.

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Give the mule back. He’s tired and wants to go home.

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

My impression of Cain is that he is a typical low information voter that hasn’t followed the news very closely over his life and hasn’t developed a strong view about many of these issues. That’s just fine if your a typical person but the WH is not the place for on the job training.

FloatingRock on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Groan…I can’t believe these are our choices, Mitt, Perry or Cain.

Lance Murdock on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

People will keep supporting him and donating. The dolt can do nothing wrong in some people’s eyes.

IR-MN on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but everyone running for the nomination is a “dolt,” with the exception of Romney, who’s just a craven liar.

We’re electing a president, not a Mensa chapter chairman, and it seems gaffes are going around and around this cycle. Nobody – that’s nobody – is immune, so don’t imply otherwise.

KingGold on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Unfortunately for Cain, this is the kind of mistake you won’t be able to detach yourself from.

BobMbx on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

This is not looking good. Prepare for Romney peeps. Can we get Ryan to re-consider? I said before, It’s going to be a crap sandwich for the next few years no matter who is in WH. Let’s let Obama take the blame. Got to win Congress though.

Hummer53 on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Campaign fail.

karlant on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Let me guess. His quote (on video) will be taken out of context. Good Lord!

Nelsa on November 1, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Geez – what other candidates has that happened to. Let’s see – ALL OF THEM!

gophergirl on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Fatal. Gerald Ford-esque gaffe. The foreign policy debate with Newt will be very sad to watch. I know more about foreign policy than he does and I’m only twenty. This is really sad because I like him, but it isn’t to be.

andy85719 on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

I dont know what he meant here either, I still dont know what he thinks about abortion and how it should be handled from a policy standpoint, I still have no idea what he was talking about on releasing terrorists from GITMO. The question marks for Cain are many and multiplying.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

I’m uncomfortably reminded how Sarah Palin’s recitation of the Vice President’s constitutional duties (president of the Senate) was spun as her being an unrivaled blithering moron by our intellectual betters, essentially rewriting the Constitution on our behalf.

KingGold on November 1, 2011 at 9:08 PM

And what should or does that tell anyone?

That it’s critical to be exceptionally well informed as to national and global issues before allowing media access, when one wants the Presidency.

Lourdes on November 1, 2011 at 9:18 PM

It’s not like he said they have 57 states or anything.

JellyToast on November 1, 2011 at 9:18 PM

The fact that we’re about to have a debate in the comments about whether he knows China has nukes doesn’t bode well for the general election campaign against Obama.

Nope, just shows that you are incapable of grabbing any other news headlines that will generate comments. Color me surprised…

lovingmyUSA on November 1, 2011 at 9:18 PM

I think you make up a whole lot of stuff out of nothing…you do know his background.

tinkerthinker on November 1, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Give the mule back. He’s tired and wants to go home.

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Okay, you’re right. He’s been totally solid on foreign policy. Nothing to worry about here.

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Really? and no thread on Perry’s bizarre New Hampshire speech. huh.

entropent on November 1, 2011 at 9:18 PM

I would find it hard to believe that Cain couldn’t know about China’s nuclear arsenal, but given his stunning ignorance about Iran, Israel, and his Gitmo answer…I am just not sure.

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 9:19 PM

I lobe Romney,….
Chudi on November 1, 2011 at 9:16 PM

I hope that was a mis-spell…

Electrongod on November 1, 2011 at 9:19 PM

I think he means about increasing nuclear capability.

That said…he KEEPS DOING THIS. You cannot be this nuanced and expect to get votes. Simply put, Cain’s best characteristic was clarity, especially with 999. If he cannot show such clarity on other issues, then he goes up in smoke.

neoavatara on November 1, 2011 at 9:19 PM

China has nothing to worry about if this moron is elected.

lexhamfox on November 1, 2011 at 9:19 PM

andy85719 on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

RINOs.

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:19 PM

gophergirl on November 1, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Ha! Thats funny, though I never get a break from the pile on Romney, lol.

El_Terrible on November 1, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Maybe, a lot can still happen between now and then. We have like five more debates before the first primary, this isnt settled yet.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM

KingGold on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

lulz, okay pal. Perry, Newt have not said even close to as many asinine things as Cain has.

IR-MN on November 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Really? and no thread on Perry’s bizarre New Hampshire speech. huh.

Posted it yesterday. At least do an archive search before you sneer.

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

I dont know what he meant here either, I still dont know what he thinks about abortion and how it should be handled from a policy standpoint…

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

@ nswider: Cain was on Fox earlier today and was specific about abortion, his views on abortion: he said that he thinks it “should not be legal” and that it’s (even) “not acceptable” in cases of rape or incest BECAUSE he believes that life begins at conception.

Thus, abortion is the willful taking of innocent human life, who is not responsible for how they were conceived, should not lose their life because parents acted badly, etc.

Lourdes on November 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Lourdes on November 1, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Uh, what?

Palin’s statement was objectively true. That is, not indicative of a lack of knowledge whatsoever. But it was still portrayed as wrong.

“Exceptionally well-informed,” and three dollars gets you a coffee. We’re in narrative-based politics now. Cain’s narrative is that he’s a policy doofus, so naturally his words are going to have to be parsed by those looking for (or generating) error.

KingGold on November 1, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Ha! Yeah used to that comment by now, lol.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Anyways, this is why I voted for Gingrich in the last HotAir poll.

SouthernGent on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Me too.

BobMbx on November 1, 2011 at 9:21 PM

the WH is not the place for on the job training.

Got that right. After the past almost 3 years, we should all know this point all too well by now.

Shirotayama on November 1, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Is it ironic that our affirmative action candidate is not up to date on news from 1964?

lorien1973 on November 1, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Really? and no thread on Perry’s bizarre New Hampshire speech. huh.

entropent on November 1, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Let’s see it was in QOTD and had it’s own post yesterday I believe.

So it had two threads.

gophergirl on November 1, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Okay, Bachmann, Perry, now Cain are out. Hunstman, Paul, etc. were never in. This leaves Romney and Gingrich. Lucky us.

andy85719 on November 1, 2011 at 9:22 PM

katy the mean old lady
lovingmyUSA

Sheeze. What’s up with youse guys?

IrishEi on November 1, 2011 at 9:22 PM

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

@ nswider: Cain was on Fox earlier today and was specific about abortion, his views on abortion: he said that he thinks it “should not be legal” and that it’s (even) “not acceptable” in cases of rape or incest BECAUSE he believes that life begins at conception.

Thus, abortion is the willful taking of innocent human life, who is not responsible for how they were conceived, should not lose their life because parents acted badly, etc.

Lourdes on November 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM

And recognize that that position by Cain is also certainly why the Left hates him so. The Left appears to hate persons with pro-life views beyond reason, in my experience.

Lourdes on November 1, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Lourdes on November 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Ok, but you have to admit, hes been a bit all over the place and initially bungled the question. Ill take him at his word if thats his position.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

No, only those that think a ballistics math tech for the Navy wouldn’t know–and would be in your corner–but you knew that also.
Parse and scrape for commenters…and by golly..it works.

lovingmyUSA on November 1, 2011 at 9:23 PM

But…..but….,if Herman Cain,would bow down to the Chinese,
just like Obama,then,well,its settled,he would be qualified
for POTUSA!!

Cause,like,you know,bowing,is such a POWERFUL ACT BY A SITTING
US PRESIDENT,that..it has SMART POWER written all over it!!

And….and….the bestest/mosest part of all,if you give a
speech,about China,and one`s UTOPIAN VISIONS of it,again,
you`ll be qualified for Foreign Policy Success!!

Oh crap,I almost left out the bestestest part,you must send
the Dalì-Lama,out the rear entrance of the WH,where the garbage
is collected and stored!

Then,you`ll have scored all the Chinese related points that
will have the Left forever in love with you!!!
(snark).

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Does the man have Alzhiemers??

This is getting painful to watch. Would somebody wake him up and tell him he’s running for POTUS?

NickDeringer on November 1, 2011 at 9:23 PM

andy85719 on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

RINOs.

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:19 PM

They are Mitt supporters, so you could be correct.

kim roy on November 1, 2011 at 9:24 PM

People will keep supporting him and donating. The dolt can do nothing wrong in some people’s eyes.

IR-MN on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

I don’t think Mr. Cain is a dolt-very far from it-but he is NOT ready for the presidency this time around and yeah-the Cainiacs are Palinistas in different garb.
Same chapter-different verse.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 1, 2011 at 9:24 PM

andy85719 on November 1, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Cains not out, just having a rough week. Totally recoverable at this point.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:24 PM

Anyways, this is why I voted for Gingrich in the last HotAir poll.

SouthernGent on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Me three.

lorien1973 on November 1, 2011 at 9:24 PM

He’s a very nice man, and he has some good ideas. However, he’s a rookie on many big issues and sending a neophyte politician in to represent us against a consummate pol with the media riding shotgun is quite risky. “The Establishment” may have become controversial, but they got to be the establishment by knowing what works. We need to win this election. We must put forth the very strongest candidate we can from among those who are in the field at this point. Whoever that is.

Jill1066 on November 1, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Really. Does the name John McCain ring a bell?

chewmeister on November 1, 2011 at 9:25 PM

I know exactly what Mr. Cain said. He is factually correct. While China does have a small standing nuclear force, they are trying to gain parity or superiority. Those of you who seem to think one must be very precise in how they speak now have a President who is very precise unless you count the gaffs. Intent is far more inportant. Cain is smarter than Obama, he is more experienced in life than Obama and he has better instincts then Obama. Cain actually made a living on his own. By that I mean he did not require tax payer dollars to feed his family.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on November 1, 2011 at 9:25 PM

You cant slide anything past Herb. He will keep those sneaky Russkies from getting nukes also. It is 100% clear what he meant.

Southernblogger on November 1, 2011 at 9:25 PM

“Exceptionally well-informed,” and three dollars gets you a coffee. We’re in narrative-based politics now. Cain’s narrative is that he’s a policy doofus, so naturally his words are going to have to be parsed by those looking for (or generating) error.

Not sure what you’re saying here. Are you suggesting that he hasn’t made any mistakes and this “narrative” has been foisted on him unjustly? Or are you saying he has made mistakes and, for better or worse, people are now paying close attention to what he says?

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Okay, you’re right. He’s been totally solid on foreign policy. Nothing to worry about here.

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:18 PM

And all the other candidates are? Oh that’s right, we have the authority of Ron Paul to go on…

lovingmyUSA on November 1, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Allah. That is exactly what he meant and you know it. Spend less time with Ace. OK?

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 9:08 PM

katy the mean old lady:Oh boy…….

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Anyways, this is why I voted for Gingrich in the last HotAir poll.

SouthernGent on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM
Me three.

lorien1973 on November 1, 2011 at 9:24 PM

Me four.

BTW, did they release the results yesterday?
If so, missed that. Anyone got a link to it?

Shirotayama on November 1, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Sarah Palin would’ve ruled this group. It is what it is.

JellyToast on November 1, 2011 at 9:26 PM

kim roy on November 1, 2011 at 9:24 PM

You dont define who I am and what I believe. I looked at the field and made a judgment call and every day these other candidates are proving me right not wrong.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:26 PM

The fact that we’re about to have a debate in the comments about whether he knows China has nukes doesn’t bode well for the general election campaign against Obama.

See, now you are just talking aobut nuclear apples and orange carriers. The Chinese have nuclear apples… we all know this. And I don’t think that we should just sit blindly back and accept their nuclear apples. I want to stop the acceptance of their nuclear apples, and move on to a spot where we don’t have to accept their nuclear apples in favor of their orange carriers. But of course it’s their choice about what they are going to do with their nuclar apples. I don’t think our government should, for clarity’s sake mind you… I don’t think our government should be involved in what is clearly a personal, or a national choice.

Is that clear enough for you?

9-9-9…

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Let’s just remember that while The Won has basically won the war by following W’s plans but he is losing the peace in every possible way. Have we ever had a president that has universally insulted all of our allies?

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Allahpundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:19 PM

It’s fun when you come play with us…heh

lovingmyUSA on November 1, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Oops got the blockquote backwards.
Obviously time for me to hit the hay.

Shirotayama on November 1, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Herman needs a sit down with Dohn Huntsman. He knows Chinese, you know.

SlaveDog on November 1, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Considering that Cain’s work for the Navy during Vietnam was in part an analysis of the capabilities of the Dongfeng missile systems and to what extent the Chinese could drop nukes on South Vietnam, it’s pretty obvious that he was talking about their NAVAL nuclear capacity (carriers and the more dangerous to us, cruisers).

Jason Coleman on November 1, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Ha! Thats funny, though I never get a break from the pile on Romney, lol.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM

It used to bother me but doesn’t much anymore except on crabby days.

I really enjoy the Perry supporters on this board. They are a good group of people.

gophergirl on November 1, 2011 at 9:27 PM

No, only those that think a ballistics math tech for the Navy wouldn’t know–and would be in your corner–but you knew that also.
Parse and scrape for commenters…and by golly..it works.

lovingmyUSA on November 1, 2011 at 9:23 PM

And what would a ballistics math tech give as an answer about the right of return, or a feasible means of halting Iranian nuclear development, or a Gitmo trade?

Sorry but an appeal to his diploma doesn’t get you a free pass for his idiotic remarks.

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Sixteenth look at Newt?

IrishEi on November 1, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Yeah, seriously, what are Newt’s negatives again?

Something about marriages?

gumble on November 1, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Sarah Palin would’ve ruled this group. It is what it is.

JellyToast on November 1, 2011 at 9:26 PM

OH PULLEEASE…in fact there ARE conservatives who wish she’d just GO AWAY already.

Shirotayama on November 1, 2011 at 9:28 PM

China has already delivered a pizza delivery capability too.

DarkCurrent on November 1, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Fatal. Gerald Ford-esque gaffe. The foreign policy debate with Newt will be very sad to watch. I know more about foreign policy than he does and I’m only twenty. This is really sad because I like him, but it isn’t to be.

andy85719 on November 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

This isn’t even close to the Gerald Ford gaffe. Gerald Ford’s assertion was clearly and unambiguously ignorant of facts – he said there was no Soviet domination in the satellite nations. And he rightly sunk for it.

This can have different interpretations. And, really, the idea that he’s ignorant of China’s nuclear capability doesn’t hold up to Ockham’s Razor, when you consider that the man worked for ballistics for the Navy in the years around Vietnam. It doesn’t pass the smell test that he wouldn’t know.

KingGold on November 1, 2011 at 9:28 PM

He said develop nuclear capabilities and aircraft carriers. Two separate things. You Cainiac types are as bad as Obots or Palinistas.

Southernblogger on November 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM

HA!

I am starting to think that Mr. Cain is smarter than we think..

First the Smoking Man (Block) and Now this..

possible? that someone could pull a reverse Lewinsky to get on the news…

really! Look at the press, polls, and dollars he’s garnered in just a few days!

I love this Guy .. He is a Master at Branding.. as is Obabama ..

This will be the greatest media – voting – test to date.

Can’t WAIT!! love this more than any other sport!@

amend2 on November 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Like I said earlier……Perry or Bachmann, pick your poison.

Obama would destroy him in a debate.

It will be a miracle if this country survives Obama!!

http://m.minyanville.com/?guid=4639&catid=5

PappyD61 on November 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM

gophergirl on November 1, 2011 at 9:27 PM

You just cant take things personally, just argue your point respectfully and whatever happens happens. Its all in good fun.

nswider on November 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Did HA publish the results of yesterday’s poll yet?
Is there a link?

Shirotayama on November 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Really? and no thread on Perry’s bizarre New Hampshire speech. huh.

entropent on November 1, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Let’s see it was in QOTD and had it’s own post yesterday I believe.

So it had two threads.

gophergirl on November 1, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Yeah…. well… maybe there should have been three….

/awakeningtorealizationofcrumblingcampaign

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM

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