CA bullet train triples in price, adds 13 years to deployment schedule
posted at 3:25 pm on November 1, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
When first proposed to taxpayers in 2008, the high-speed rail project in California that would eventually link Los Angeles and San Francisco had a projected cost of $33.6 billion and a delivery date of twelve years. By May of this year, after the Obama administration tossed in $3.5 billion in stimulus money to get the project started, the cost estimate ballooned to $43 billion, the most expensive public-works project in American history. But that now looks like a bargain in contrast to the latest estimate for the bullet train, as reported by the Mercury News:
Faster than a speeding bullet train, the cost of the state’s massive high-speed rail project has zoomed to nearly $100 billion — triple the estimate given to voters and more than enough to run the entire state government for a year.
What’s more, bullet trains won’t be up and running until at least 2033, much later than the original estimate of 2020, although that depends on the state finding the remaining 90 percent of the funds needed to complete the plan.
The new figures come from a final business plan to be unveiled by the California High-Speed Rail Authority on Tuesday, though some of the details were leaked to the media, including this newspaper, on Monday. Officials at the rail authority did not respond to repeated requests for comment Monday.
Gov. Jerry Brown on Tuesday was expected to endorse the long-awaited plan, the first major update to the project in two years and the last before the federal deadline to begin construction next year. But state legislators, who were already skeptical, will tear through the plan starting Tuesday before deciding whether to start building, or to kill the project.
California has an annual budget of $86 billion this year, which the new estimate exceeds — and they can’t even find the money to fund that. How will California find the cash to fund their bullet train? No one is really sure, although the Mercury News that it will “largely come from borrowing more” in a state whose credit rating is already beleaguered by their current debt and recurring budget crises.
But the need to move people between the two cities is so great that it justifies the investment — right? Not at all. In an earlier column for The Week, I pointed out that the fixed-rail service duplicates a wide range of options for air flight between the two cities, with little cost to taxpayers and competitive rates for consumers:
California’s high-speed rail project has lots of problems, but its most basic is purpose. The project proposes to connect Los Angeles and San Francisco with an express train that will take two hours and 40 minutes from beginning to end. That sounds good in comparison to the drive, which is approximately six-and-a-half hours, when there is no traffic, or by existing Amtrak service, which takes almost 10 hours to go from Union Station to Moscone Center — and uses two buses.
In contrast, passengers have plenty of choices for direct transportation between the two major metropolitan areas via commercial airlines. Not only does the airline ticket price on Travelocity come in at only a little more than subsidized Amtrak fares for a round trip ($138 as compared to $112), it takes less than half of the time to travel than the proposed “high-speed” rail project does — 75 minutes as opposed to 160 minutes. Consumers can save an average of $20 on fares by booking a flight from less-used Long Beach Airport (adding only 5 minutes to the length of the flight), and still have a choice between three different airlines for non-stop service.
With these choices and convenience, why bother going ground at all?
Let’s also not forget that the fixed track would necessarily parallel the San Andreas fault line for long stretches, a fault line widely expected to produce an earthquake commonly referred to as “the big one” in the next few decades. The fault-line risk comes into play long before the tracks reach either LA or San Francisco, since the initial spur of the line will connect the thriving and teeming metropolises of … Corcoran and Borden.
The impulse of children to play with train sets is both cute and educational. The impulse of politicians to play with train sets is only educational for the lessons it teaches taxpayers about their deeper impulses for social engineering and wasting taxpayer money. If California pursues this project, don’t expect the price to remain at $98.5 billion or the train to arrive on time in 2033, either.









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Just for comparison’s sake, anyone remember this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Dig
“The project was scheduled to be completed in 1998[5]at an estimated cost of $2.8 billion (in 1982 dollars, US$6.0 billion adjusted for inflation as of 2006[update]).[6] The project was not completed, however, until December of 2007, at a cost of over $14.6 billion ($8.08 billion in 1982 dollars)[6]as of 2006[update].[7] The Boston Globe estimated that the project will ultimately cost $22 billion, including interest, and that it will not be paid off until 2038.[8]”
And away we go…
patch on November 1, 2011 at 3:32 PM
Big Dig part deux!
cmsinaz on November 1, 2011 at 3:32 PM
Should’ve used Riordan metal!!
TheQuestion on November 1, 2011 at 3:32 PM
great minds patch :)
cmsinaz on November 1, 2011 at 3:32 PM
Union racket.
The theft from taxpayers is incredible.
darwin on November 1, 2011 at 3:33 PM
$100 billion for a train to nowhere.
But what the heck, it’s only other peoples’ money.
UltimateBob on November 1, 2011 at 3:34 PM
Big Rail
ted c on November 1, 2011 at 3:35 PM
In the 1960s, Nelson Rockefeller pushed through a rebuilding fo Albany NY to handle all the NYS government offices.
Original estimate: $100 million.
Final price tage: $1 billion.
That was when $1 Billion was real money.
patch on November 1, 2011 at 3:35 PM
It looks like it would be better to scrap it.
theperfecteconomist on November 1, 2011 at 3:37 PM
What could possibly go wrong?
Oh yeah, that.
UltimateBob on November 1, 2011 at 3:37 PM
That’s what, 200 Solyndras? A bargain!
karl9000 on November 1, 2011 at 3:38 PM
The Mister is an old-school railroader-and it’s his opinion that there’s no market for HSR in the US.
annoyinglittletwerp on November 1, 2011 at 3:39 PM
Didn’t Mussolini have an obsession for trains too?
rbj on November 1, 2011 at 3:39 PM
They finally factored in the proper amount of graft for political payoffs.
lorien1973 on November 1, 2011 at 3:40 PM
Bullet train to Bankruptcy!
Chip on November 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM
For that money, they could have extended BART to San Jose, Marin and Sonoma counties, and out to Stockton.
JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM
More taxpayer ripoff’s…
PatriotRider on November 1, 2011 at 3:43 PM
Powerful seeds of discontent have been sown. It is stunning that any governmental entity can be proceeding with this. The voters were defrauded into this, stupid voters I admit, by the original lowballing of the projected costs. But the still lowballed projected costs are now completely out of whack with what the voters approved. Out of touch, ivory-towered, radical-leftist-union-owned agenda-driven governments are the only governmental entities that could continue to support this, which is why the federal and California governments are doing so. At some point the people are going to prevent this from happening.
This California story is the other side of the coin from what is happening in Greece, and therefore Europe. The world’s financial system is in turmoil today because Greece may have an election in which the people may reject the “solution” that the unelected EU radical-leftist elite have structured to solve the problems that they participated in creating. In Greece and Europe, of course, the people themselves have up to now supported the radical-leftist-union-owned agenda-driven governments.
The world is headed for some major disruptions, from California to Europe, and perhaps beyond.
GaltBlvnAtty on November 1, 2011 at 3:44 PM
Someone has to pay for the graft and corruption.
sadatoni on November 1, 2011 at 3:46 PM
I’m not sure, but I think the new PC rules make it verboten to mention past or present day failures of Socialism.
So, no mentioning of the Progressive Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela, N. Korea, Greece, the rest of Europe,…
At least, that’s the impression one gets from ernesto.
Chip on November 1, 2011 at 3:47 PM
Is there such a thing as a triple facepalm?
ronsfi on November 1, 2011 at 3:48 PM
Morewelent Express.
fogw on November 1, 2011 at 3:48 PM
I think they’re going to need to sell a lot more coloring books.
Ronnie on November 1, 2011 at 3:52 PM
Get Dagny Taggart to build it!
sidemeat on November 1, 2011 at 3:52 PM
Serious legal question: Do the citizens of California have any recourse? Is it possible to petition the courts to declare the original funding initiative invalid on grounds of gross fraud? In essence, a breach of contract?
jwolf on November 1, 2011 at 3:53 PM
Maybe we should turn the whole thing over to the Japanese? They seem to be the only nation with a “bullet train” system that actually works and is profitable. And they didn’t pay union scale for theirs either.
coldwarrior on November 1, 2011 at 3:54 PM
Name suggestion: D-RAIL
gullxn on November 1, 2011 at 3:54 PM
They initially forgot to factor in the CalTrans standing-around-with-our-thumbs-up-our-asses-staring-down-a-hole overtime and greasy palm funds to union bosses.
Hence the new costs and delivery date.
The Ugly American on November 1, 2011 at 3:57 PM
They figured if that if the voters would approve $50B then they would approve $100B, so why not? It’s only $2500 per voter for a train they will never use.
pedestrian on November 1, 2011 at 3:59 PM
13 years? ROFL
Let’s put these guys in charge of our healthcare.
Bishop on November 1, 2011 at 4:01 PM
That medical pot must be really strong. California can’t meet its bills now, who do they think is going to lend them $100 billion+ for an open-ended project with no market demand?
If we have one rule going forward, it should be NO MORE BAILOUTS. Not of finance, not of industry, and especially not of states.
Adjoran on November 1, 2011 at 4:02 PM
“Alex…………we’ll take “UNEXPECTED” for $1000……………..
Katfish on November 1, 2011 at 4:05 PM
Its my understanding they’ve finally agreed on the color of the train.
Green. Now its a simple matter of what shade.
BobMbx on November 1, 2011 at 4:05 PM
Hardly …”we” voted for it hook, line and sinker.
Just dangle a new bright shiny toy in their faces and these morons will vote for it every time.
High-speed rail …sure absolutely!
Parental notification required for minor abortions …what? NO!!! …what’re you some kind of Christianist?
The Ugly American on November 1, 2011 at 4:06 PM
At least light rail worked out well for Charlotte!
Wait, what?
Doing a little rough math it started out at $16.7M/mile and ended up costing $48.2M/mile.
Perfect.
pain train on November 1, 2011 at 4:07 PM
Do illegals need built trains?
Oil Can on November 1, 2011 at 4:07 PM
Well of course the cost has skyrocketed since the project began, don’t the politicians and the lobbyists and the lawyers and the unions and such have to get their special favors and kickbacks and bribes? Projects like these are Glory Holes for those folks.
scalleywag on November 1, 2011 at 4:09 PM
With Rearden Steel.
It’ll cost more, but it’ll last forever.
UltimateBob on November 1, 2011 at 4:10 PM
I blame it on the choo-choos!
Shy Guy on November 1, 2011 at 4:11 PM
The Mister is pretty much right, although I would point out that the AMTRAK version, Acela, does make money on its Boston to DC run. However, much of the way it’s not HSR.
But HSR isn’t really needed in most parts of the US. I could see it connecting two relatively close cities (as Acela does), such as perhaps Chicago to Milwaukee or St. Louis to Kansas City, but doubt there would be many other useful places.
Del Dolemonte on November 1, 2011 at 4:12 PM
This is nothing new for CA.
BART was the “poster child” for government-design monstrous projects which are never quite completed and which never quite work.
Now CA wants a “bullet train”???? The bullet will be aimed straight at the taxpayers!!!!
BART proved that CA shouldn’t lay tracks through a geologically-unstable, earthquake-prone area. Assuming that they could ever get a “bullet train” to actually run between LA and SF, how many months would it be between spectacular fatal crashes caused by misaligned tracks???
landlines on November 1, 2011 at 4:12 PM
Wait’ll you see the Light Rail Boondoggle the Democrats have in store for Honolulu. That should make these numbers pale in comparison.
Del Dolemonte on November 1, 2011 at 4:13 PM
Isn’t this the train that FL said, “No thanks” to?
Pythagoras on November 1, 2011 at 4:14 PM
Of course they could reroute this project through the San Joaquin Valley and avoid most of the San Andreas Fault area, or at least be on the inland side of it.
Of course then there would be the issue of the Delta Smelt…
chewydog on November 1, 2011 at 4:14 PM
If you think it’s expensive now, just wait until they mandate that the trains run exclusively on solar power.
John Deaux on November 1, 2011 at 4:16 PM
I’ll bet anyone that wants to bet my first Social Security check that by the time that 13 years passes the price will have at least tripled again.
MikeA on November 1, 2011 at 4:16 PM
Thank you.
Notably, Japan PRIVATIZED its entire national railway system (JNR) in 1987, which was trillions of yen in debt… and now the vast majority of the old system turns a profit (the Tokyo-Osaka bullet train line operator is still paying off much of the old government system’s debt).
Also, one of the difficulties of privatization of JNR was buying off large numbers of public employee union employees to get them the hell off the payroll.
But even East Japan Railway, the most profitable railway system in Japan, would have a hard time operating under California’s burdensome laws, to say nothing of the unions there that want a piece of everything.
The only way California HSR could work if it was privatized with NO union intrusion and if the operator was given free reign to do whatever they wanted (including seize property).
fiatboomer on November 1, 2011 at 4:16 PM
The MN light rail project is a sparkling success too. Criminals from Minneapolis can now get low cost, temperature controlled transport to Bloomington to rob houses, and then back again with their spoils.
I do believe our little train has killed more people than it carries.
Bishop on November 1, 2011 at 4:17 PM
Since it is all in the name of creating jobs and actual demand for the service doesn’t matter, how about a bridge to Hawaii from San Francisco, or what the heck, a high speed rail to China? Since Jerry Moonbeam Brown is Governor, there should be something for transit to the moon that can be offered. I hope he goes on a one way trip.
KW64 on November 1, 2011 at 4:17 PM
Great thoughts.
Thanks for the smiles, which come from thinking about a rational world rather than the one in which we actually toil.
GaltBlvnAtty on November 1, 2011 at 4:19 PM
The Circle to Nowhere? It’ll ruin Hawaii’s Interstate system…
karl9000 on November 1, 2011 at 4:20 PM
Sorry, but the federal stimulus $ is lost, you won’t get it back, just try not to let more go to California. The voters of California have been suckers for bonds for many years–it’s like,”We can have anything we want as long as we put it on daddy’s credit card!” These are the same people who elected Jerry Brown again! Barbara Boxer…again! The same old union-owned Democratic legislature…again! I feel sorry for Orange County, the only concentration of conservatives left in the state, but California brought crap like this on themselves and it ain’t the first time, either.
cartooner on November 1, 2011 at 4:21 PM
Not a criticism, ted.
Government
BigRailFreight haulers (NS, CSX, UP, BNSF) are in their own class of capitalist legitimacy.
If AMTRAK (that’s not the same as local commuter rail) completely shut down, the country wouldn’t blink, except for Biden.
listens2glenn on November 1, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Enough choo choo fail to give Thomas Friedman a thrill down both his legs.
MNHawk on November 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM
Don’t tell me, it will go under the seabed all the way to Samoa?
Bishop on November 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM
we are so screwed out here, I’m just laying low and hoping I survive the collapse, I can’t afford to leave
Bobnormal on November 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM
Think you’re being funny? Don’t put it past California to create a state NASA and buy up all the space shuttles and use them again. The sky’s the limit!
cartooner on November 1, 2011 at 4:25 PM
Greece is the word.
ReaganWasRight on November 1, 2011 at 4:25 PM
Actually, it’s a high speed train to nowhere. And looking at the financial markets, we all seem to going faster towards nowhere all of the time. Boy, won’t it be fun when we get there?
theCork on November 1, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Hey, what about Shasta, Lassen, Siskyou and Modoc Counties? They may not have many people but Dems almost always lose horribly there.
fiatboomer on November 1, 2011 at 4:28 PM
: )
The Ugly American on November 1, 2011 at 4:29 PM
This whole fiasco has been a BIG lie since Day One. The cost projections were ridiculous. The idea that MOST of the cost would be borne by private investors was a farce. And the “ridership” numbers were unbelievable. The “new business model” at least comes close to actual costs involved. Everything else is still pie-in-the-sky.
And WHY does Kalifornia want a bullet train? Because Japan has them and the Europeans have them – AND BY GOD THE SACRAMENTO POLS WANT THEM!
GarandFan on November 1, 2011 at 4:31 PM
It’s a near perfect route for drug mules.
Funneling product out from the border (pot/heroin/pills) & high desert (meth) into the metro areas.
The Ugly American on November 1, 2011 at 4:35 PM
Yes he did!! and he is still credited in Italy for doing a great job with them…As an Italian (they do have a great rail system .i.e. when the unions aren’t striking) as a Californian, this is such a clusterfuck…it doesn’t make any sense
Political Chef on November 1, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Second-coming of the Main Line Of Public Works.
Except this one is a BIGGER boondoggle.
Can anyone imagine the outcome of a train going 150 mph+ being hit with an 6.0+?
listens2glenn on November 1, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Meanwhile…
… the water is still turned off in the valley.
Seven Percent Solution on November 1, 2011 at 4:39 PM
A train that won’t be ready for at least 22 years, no one needs, will parallel a major fault line, and we can’t afford?
Brilliant.
LASue on November 1, 2011 at 4:40 PM
I say let it go forward. Moonbeam Brown has already said he would sign off on it.
Let it go full throttle!
Then, let’s just sit back and watch it bankrupt the State (finally).
The left has to see it’s ruinous plans as first had eye witnesses. they nee to be publicly shamed. And this is a great opportunity for that to happen.
Let them spend and spend and spend and see this monstrosity swallow up their whole state.
Opposite Day on November 1, 2011 at 4:40 PM
22 years for a 250 mile train? Wow.
angryed on November 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM
Yeah, I’ll vote for Mitt in the general.
a capella on November 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM
This is a load of crap. Even if they had the money, it’ll never make it through the environazis. Heck, they can’t even move water to farms little lone move actual people at 150 mph. However, I don’t think this will stop them from wasting billions of dollars.
ReaganWasRight on November 1, 2011 at 4:48 PM
Since the California legislature loves to mandate things in their public school curriculum like Global Warming and Gay and Lesbian History, I think they should require students study the high-speed train fiasco. From wide-eyed initial claims and estimates, to the final construction costs, overruns, delays, sub-standard construction, graft, union payoffs, ridership figures, profit/loss statements, and the smoking hole of public debt left for the students to bear when they get their first job, it will be a REAL education in civics. Maybe then they won’t be as ignorant as their parents were when they voted for the public initiative to build the damn thing.
Socratease on November 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM
I lived in the same town as O’bama’s “Winter White House” until 1966; the planning for H-3 started the year before O’bama was born. It finally was completed in…1997.
No, just from the Ewa Beach area to downtown Honolulu.
Del Dolemonte on November 1, 2011 at 5:10 PM
Maybe they can hold an entire semester on the post-2004 Schwarzenegger administration. Or, “How to Simultaneously Make the Left and Right Despise you.”
fiatboomer on November 1, 2011 at 5:11 PM
No argument about the huge mistakes in cost and timing.
However, Mad Ed’s analysis in terms of the time needed from LA to San Fran by plane versus train is not even close. Here’s why:
1. My guess is that you would need to be at the train station, what, 15-30 minutes before the train leaves. You think you can just show up at LAX or SFO 15-30 minutes before your flight takes off? Guess again.
2. You get off the train, and you can leave the station within 10-15 minutes. Again, you think you can do that at LAX or SFO?
3. The airports, by definition, are in the middle of freakin’ nowhere. Let’s just say that for the vast majority of travelers, Union Station and Moscone Station is a lot more convenient.
For those who live in the New York area…what’s more convenient…Penn Station, or EWR, JFK, or LGA?
asc85 on November 1, 2011 at 5:26 PM
Seems they could buy everyone airline tickets for 20 years cheaper…
right2bright on November 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM
If you live in Queens, LGA is a lot more convenient. Ff you live in NJ, EWR is. Unless you live in Manhattan, the airports are as convenient if not more so than Penn Station.
This is the Dem/Lib mentality. Everyone lives downtown therefore trains will work since they are downtown too. Never mind that millions of people live in the suburbs. Those are evil Republicans so I guess they don’t really count as people anyway.
angryed on November 1, 2011 at 5:42 PM
Totally and completely wrong. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about here. Nothing more to say.
asc85 on November 1, 2011 at 6:21 PM
Economics and logic are wasted on politicians…especially Liberals!
landlines on November 1, 2011 at 6:47 PM
Wow you told him./
CW on November 1, 2011 at 6:58 PM
The big calculation is union campaign contributions to Democrats per million dollars of political payoff in crony projects paid by tax payers.
Dasher on November 1, 2011 at 7:11 PM
And the transcontinental railway was built in 6 years.
Dasher on November 1, 2011 at 7:20 PM
I know what.
We need a monorail!
Doodad Pro on November 1, 2011 at 7:23 PM
Obama pulled the Constellation program because he said it was “over budget, behind schedule, and lacking in innovation”.
Hey Mr. Ears! What’s this then, chopped liver?
itsspideyman on November 1, 2011 at 7:32 PM
You could buy about 25,000 HondaJets for $100 billion.
wdmdoug on November 1, 2011 at 7:46 PM
“That’s right! Monorail!
I hear those things are awfully loud…
It glides as softly as a cloud.
Is there a chance the track could bend?
Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
What about us brain-dead slobs?
You’ll be given cushy jobs.
Were you sent here by the devil?
No, good sir, I’m on the level.
I swear it’s
Springfield’sCalifornia’s only choice…Throw up your hands and raise your voice!”
coldwarrior on November 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM
100 billion dollars secured now against inflation could pay for well-paved highways between LA and San Fran until the heat death of the universe.
HitNRun on November 1, 2011 at 8:17 PM
One of the better episodes of ‘Homer.’
Unfortunately, we can’t do to our politicians what the people of North Haverbrook did to Lyle Lanley.
Or can we . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
listens2glenn on November 1, 2011 at 8:36 PM
HIGH SPEED fAIL!
Dandapani on November 1, 2011 at 10:05 PM
For $100B, I will build that Teleportation Machine, and have it done in 21 yrs. Its easier, and more likely to come in on time and under budget.
elowe on November 1, 2011 at 11:40 PM
Probably too late for you to respond, but I have a question about Acela making a profit.
Would Acela be profitable without govt subsidy?
If so, then that would be something to think about.
What is your source of info on that?
If you get this, fine. If not, I just bring it up later in another thread.
Now, going to bed.
listens2glenn on November 2, 2011 at 12:24 AM
The 21st Century Railroad Barons: The California High-Speed Rail Authority
juanito on November 2, 2011 at 12:29 AM
It doesn’t take $100 billion dollars and 20 years to build a train system between Los Angeles and San Francisco. California should just shop around for a company who will get the job done at a reasonable price and time table.
SoulGlo on November 2, 2011 at 1:52 AM
Well, it shouldn’t, anyway.
We could build a base on the Moon for that kind of expenditure.
Forget the ‘bullet train’. Upgrading to Acela-level tracks and train speeds comparable to those between NYC and Washington, DC, will reduce travel time to between 4 and 5 hours. There is no reason in the world why it should take 10 hours! That upgrade will make the train more pleasant than driving, and maybe more convenient than flying, as in the Northeast Corridor, and won’t break the bank—at least if government can get out of the way.
MrLynn on November 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM
Given the spiraling costs and delays of the Bay Bridge replacement, (and all gov’t programs, really), who could have seen this coming?
Oh, yeah! All of us!!
Pablo Snooze on November 2, 2011 at 5:29 PM
This is the *first* tripling of cost.
There will be more before the project is abandoned, half-completed, probably due to an earthquake or the state going bankrupt, or for that matter electing *actual* reformers who *havee* to cut the program in an attempt to fix the disastrous budget.
Utter, complete waste – unless you’re a trainbuilder, tracklayer, or one of the union bosses related to such companies. Or the hundreds of contractors *already* being paid for various minor subsystems that will likely be sold cheap on the surplus market in ten years.
Merovign on November 2, 2011 at 5:34 PM