Quotes of the day

posted at 10:44 pm on October 31, 2011 by Allahpundit

“In separate interviews, two people who were affiliated with the restaurant group at the time and knew of the complaints said they knew of the second female employee, who had received a payment related to harassment accusations against Mr. Cain during his 1996-99 tenure as president. The two spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid being pulled into the matter publicly.

“The two people who were affiliated with the group said the second woman similarly had complained about what she said had been Mr. Cain’s inappropriate conduct toward her. One of them said she had been taken aback by one interaction in particular while they were traveling, but this person declined to give details. He said he believed the allegation of harassment was not the only issue involved in the woman’s termination package.”

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“The Washington Post independently obtained the names of the women and tried to contact both, but several e-mails and telephone messages were not returned. A man who answered the door at the Maryland home of one of the women said they had ‘nothing to say.’

“Several key questions remained unanswered Monday night, including the full nature of the alleged encounters, the results of any internal inquiries and the resolutions that the women reached with the National Restaurant Association. In a statement, a spokeswoman for the association said it would not comment on ‘personnel issues,’ citing a ‘long-standing policy.’…

“‘He’s forceful, he’s front and center, knocking it down,’ conservative strategist Greg Mueller said. ‘Frankly, unless someone comes forward, or there’s some kind of conflict in his forceful knock-down of the story, I don’t know that it’s going to have legs for much longer.’

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“Meanwhile, one group of Republicans was conspicuously silent: POLITICO contacted every one of Cain’s major opponents for the GOP presidential nomination and none of them would comment directly on the controversy embroiling Cain’s campaign…

“Weighing in on Fox News, Karl Rove and Ed Rollins – former aides to Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, respectively – argued for full disclosure. ‘If these allegations are not true, say they aren’t true and put it behind you,’ Rove said ahead of Cain’s Monday statements. ‘If not, better get everything out sooner rather than later because in a situation like this, if there is something there, that something going to come out.’

“He needs to find out what the facts are, get out with the facts before he gets nicked apart, and I think at the end of the day, hopefully, it was nothing,’ said Rollins, echoing Rove. “If it is something, it’ll be out there.’”

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“Granted, we’re talking about a first-day story. Politico may be holding the salient facts in reserve for its follow-ups so it can build its case against Cain a day at a time. If and when they publish them I may change my tune. But right now the subject is today’s story. Until Cain’s accusers speak forthrightly on the record, until Politico shares the underlying ‘documentation describing the allegations’ that it claims to possess, readers have the right to gripe about the charges against Cain being as clear as dappled light on fog.

“Before we drag Cain to The Hague’s highest HR court for trial, I’d like to know exactly what Cain said to the women. Did he sexually proposition them? Did he boast about his virility in a vulgar manner in their presence? Did he ask women who worked for him intrusive questions about their sex lives?…

“Sometimes the headline of a piece reveals its inadequacies, which seems to be the case with Politico‘s ‘Exclusive: Two women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior.’ If the art of journalism is located in the specifics, the Politico piece deserves just one star.

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“Obviously, this description leaves open a myriad of possibilities, from the boorish to the legally actionable. Certainly, it prompts readers to scratch their heads as they try to remember what in the late 1990s constituted a physical gesture that was not overtly sexual but discomfiting. (I checked. The Macarena came out in the mid-1990s.) Suggestions from a boss to ‘meet in my suite’ are equally ambiguous. Did Cain have a sheaf of strategy papers on the desk or a CD player with a Michael Bolton track cued up?

Therein is the problem with this story. If the facts as published were part of a memo to Politico’s editors, they would amount to a first-rate tip on a story. If Cain turns out to be a serial harasser, it will surely tarnish his image as the 2012 campaign’s most likable fresh face…

“Sexual harassment is a potent charge. It has brought down CEOs, congressmen and senators, and very nearly pushed Bill Clinton out of the presidency. But in this case, it remains unclear whether this was merely a great tip or an actual bombshell. I respect Politico’s decision to keep the names of the women out of this, although they will surely emerge. Yet, the basic details of this ‘harassment’ are essential so readers can judge its significance.”

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“A couple of weeks ago I predicted in a video that Cain would benefit greatly from a conservative media which has a profound incentive to make sure he does not go the way of Perry and Bachmann. There is no doubt that Fox News, Matt Drudge and talk radio would be profoundly hurt economically if Romney swept Iowa and New Hampshire. This would not only strip them of months of content, but force them to talk for at least almost a year about a guy who is neither exciting nor loved by their customer base…

“Facilitating Cain’s shot at the nomination would be an easy way for the conservative media to achieve almost all of their goals. He elongates and spices up the nominating process, he gives them the chance to stand up for a ‘true’ conservative and prove they aren’t racist, and his nomination would create a lucrative general election while insuring Obama’s reelection. It is a no lose proposition for them and many will act on these incentives either consciously or subconsciously. To be clear, there will be no ‘conspiracy’ here, just very cynical/savvy/selfish people all working in what they perceive to be in their self interest…

“What is particularly stunning about the way that this is all going down is how incredibly similar Cain’s situation is to what happened with Obama in 2008.

“Here we have an inexperienced, charismatic black man who just a few years earlier had been in the political wilderness who is now suddenly neck and neck with an establishment candidate that no one really loves. The ideological media pushes his candidacy because he is good for the storyline/ratings and when legitimate scandal hits they rally around him and pretend that the allegations are politically motivated and all about race.”

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How much does it cost to lease a mule?

Knucklehead on October 31, 2011 at 11:56 PM

10 bucks an hour is what I got. And God help you if I saw a whip mark.

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 12:00 AM

Newt isn’t a progressive and is the only one — outside of Perry — that has an actual conservative record to run on.

I’m sorry no one likes Bachmann. :-(

Punchenko on October 31, 2011 at 11:52 PM

Your right, he does have a conservative record. He also has a progressive record. A record of cordiality with progressive interests. It is why he sat down next to Pelosi. When confronted with a fresh problem to be solved, watch him morph from progressive savior to conservative stalwart over a period of time, as his intellect overwhelms his emotions. His first instinct is to look and see what the progressives want, then give them half the victory points and start the negotiations there. Like I said, I am warming back up to him. I really liked him until the Pelosi episode and when I did look at more of his early responses to things, it ended up looking like a flip flopper, but really it is a progression from progressive view to conservative in each case.

Just because they do not like her today does not mean she cannot win them over in time, but I agree, she is a long shot. You discounted the fact that Santorum is a stalwart conservative with a record, but as I said, no one even knows he is there.

astonerii on November 1, 2011 at 12:01 AM

Herman Cain is experienced.

Mallard T. Drake on October 31, 2011 at 11:56 PM

In what, exactly? How is he going to balance the books, push through an agenda (which he hasn’t even proposed yet), and correct US decline if he knows nothing about government, politics, or foreign affairs?

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:02 AM

Please no more of that slimy weasel Ziegler.

VidOmnia on November 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM

Uh oh! Too late. :-(

Punchenko on October 31, 2011 at 11:58 PM

Mule ghosts haunt people, ya know. I’d check under the bed for a while.

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM

What we really need now is a GOP Debate..:)

Dire Straits on October 31, 2011 at 11:19 PM

Dire Straits:Oh gawd,I can just imagine the debate format,

Anderson Cooper:

We will first ask Cain,about what,if any gestures/tapping,
or signalling,yes,Cain was in the Navy,and it is possible,

that Cain,could of offended,another US Navy vessel,during
ship top ship commumications,

and so,we will give Cain,30 seconds to respond,followed by
2 minutes each of Statements about this by Perry/Romney/
Bachman,

and then,Cain has thirty second to respond!
(snark).

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:04 AM

This is America and we have the right to face our accuser/s.
Until then this is a Progressive witch hunt and nothing else.

darwin-t on November 1, 2011 at 12:00 AM

Karl Rove’s America, not my America.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:04 AM

Can’t we rally around someone else? :-(

Punchenko on October 31, 2011 at 11:32 PM

You mean the guy with the “patriotic adultery twice over” defense?

Somebody supporting Newt Gingrich of all people has no standing to impeach any other candidate’s character as a factor for supporting them.

KingGold on November 1, 2011 at 12:04 AM

How is he going to balance the books, push through an agenda (which he hasn’t even proposed yet), and correct US decline if he knows nothing about government, politics, or foreign affairs?

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:02 AM

As a business owner..I know something about government, politics and my competitors.
I deal with it every day…so did Cain.
Yeah sure..it was on the receiving end but much can be learned.
Balance the books…come on….Cain should know about that..and the repercussions..if not balanced…

Electrongod on November 1, 2011 at 12:06 AM

Are you watching MNF?! Unbelievable!

John the Libertarian on October 31, 2011 at 11:53 PM

My current cable package doesn’t include ESPN, damnit.

I’d like to know the details of how they’re getting a better deal switching the broadcast venue from ABC to ESPN.

listens2glenn on November 1, 2011 at 12:07 AM

Karl Rove’s America, not my America.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:04 AM

That bald-headed round phucker needs his as$ kicked.

darwin-t on November 1, 2011 at 12:08 AM

Dire Straits:Dude…Pelosi should wear shades,I think she suffers
from Pelosium!:)

canopfor on October 31, 2011 at 11:49 PM

LoL!..:)

Dire Straits on November 1, 2011 at 12:08 AM

Dire Straits on October 31, 2011 at 11:13 PM

That is soooooooooo wrong.

Funny. But wrong…

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:09 AM

You mean the guy with the “patriotic adultery twice over” defense?

KingGold on November 1, 2011 at 12:04 AM

Tee hee hee says the RightMan////////

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:10 AM

How much does it cost to lease a mule?

Knucklehead on October 31, 2011 at 11:56 PM
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10 bucks an hour is what I got. And God help you if I saw a whip mark.

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 12:00 AM

katy the mean old lady:What about a Jack*ss,er,Donkey..hahah,ahem!
–:)

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:10 AM

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:04 AM

LoL!..Looks like you have this debate thing down pat..:)

PS..You have posted some very good links in the last couple of days..I am glad to see Mission Control is running well..:)

Dire Straits on November 1, 2011 at 12:10 AM

Wow, the Republican establishment in full destruction mode.

Amazing what they can do when “outsiders” break through.

rickyricardo on October 31, 2011 at 10:55 PM

It’s really the only thing they’re good at.

ddrintn on November 1, 2011 at 12:12 AM

I’m sorry no one likes Bachmann. :-(

Punchenko on October 31, 2011 at 11:52 PM

I’m sorry too, but not totally surprised considering the “Ned Flanders” stigma she’s had thrust upon her.

listens2glenn on November 1, 2011 at 12:13 AM

katy the mean old lady:What about a Jack*ss,er,Donkey..hahah,ahem!
–:)

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:10 AM

Worthless. Except to breed mule.

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 12:14 AM

Le ugh,thats communications…not commumications…
must be the Halloween candy,interacting with access
sugar,in my tea cup!!

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:14 AM

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:10 AM
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Worthless. Except to breed mule.

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2011 at 12:14 AM

katy the mean old lady: Thats how you get a RINO!!:)
======================================================

An Ugly Baby
*************

http://hotair.com/archives/2006/04/25/an-ugly-baby/

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:16 AM

Pelosi should wear shades,I think she suffers
from Pelosium!:)

canopfor on October 31, 2011 at 11:49 PM

Well now, that sounds about like something Steven Crowder invented.

listens2glenn on November 1, 2011 at 12:17 AM

My fav QOTD:

‘This many white people can’t pretend they like me’…

Love it.

Damn the torpedoes, Herman. Full speed ahead. We’re liking you more every day.

petefrt on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 AM

Kansas City over San Diego after Rivers has the biggest choke of his career.

John the Libertarian on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 AM

Somebody supporting Newt Gingrich of all people has no standing to impeach any other candidate’s character as a factor for supporting them.

KingGold on November 1, 2011 at 12:04 AM

Newt fessed up to his shortcomings, accepted them, and moved on. Herb is on my TV every night clarifying, explaining, forgetting, not-forgetting, and telling jokes to save himself. Oh, and he is telling me I will not be paying a state sales tax AND a new federal sales tax with his 9-9-9 9-0-9 plan. He’s a BS artist and a poor one at that.

So please, Newt is a saint compared to Cain’s shifty-eyed “explanations”.

astonerii on November 1, 2011 at 12:01 AM

Santorum defended Arlen Specter which is far, far worse than cutting some cheesy ad with Nancy Pelosi. Santorum aided the enemy while Newt was trying to aid himself with some bi-partisan cover lip talk for when he runs for POTUS. It was calculated and not a concession.

Newt!

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 AM

That bald-headed round phucker needs his as$ kicked.

darwin-t on November 1, 2011 at 12:08 AM

When Bob Beckel says the story is bullsh$t, you have to know something is seriously wrong.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 AM

Are you watching MNF?! Unbelievable!

John the Libertarian on October 31, 2011 at 11:53 PM

Charger fan here…

… Please excuse the vomit.

Seven Percent Solution on November 1, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Pelosi should wear shades,I think she suffers
from Pelosium!:)

canopfor on October 31, 2011 at 11:49 PM

Well now, that sounds about like something Steven Crowder invented.

listens2glenn on November 1, 2011 at 12:17 AM

I took some of that the other day to relieve a backup problem.

Electrongod on November 1, 2011 at 12:23 AM

So please, Newt is a saint compared to Cain’s shifty-eyed “explanations”.
Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 AM

Confirmed.

You are an idiot, have no credibility and have confirmed it with that statement.

Yeah, I cheated on my wife because I loved my country too much/////

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 AM

When Bob Beckel says the story is bullsh$t, you have to know something is seriously wrong.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 AM

Pretty sure I heard him say that about Fast & Furious also.

Just sayin’…

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 AM

Pelosi should wear shades,I think she suffers
from Pelosium!:)

canopfor on October 31, 2011 at 11:49 PM
Well now, that sounds about like something Steven Crowder invented.

listens2glenn on November 1, 2011 at 12:17 AM

listens2glenn:I gots it from here!:)
=====================================

The densest element in the known Universe has been found – Pelosium

Pelosium:
*********

A major research institution has just announced the discovery of the densest element yet known to science.

The new element has been named Pelosium.

Pelosium has one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 311.

These particles are held together by dark forces called

morons,

which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

The symbol of Pelosium is PU.

Pelosium’s mass actually increases over time, as morons randomly interact with various elements in the atmosphere and become assistant deputy neutrons within the Pelosium molecule, leading to the formation of isodopes.

This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientist to believe that Pelosium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration.

This hypothetical quantity is referred to as Critical Morass.

When catalyzed with money, Pelosium activates CNNadnausium, an element that radiates orders of magnitude more energy, albeit as incoherent noise, since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons as Pelosium.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2485914/posts

canopfor on October 30, 2010 at 9:00 AM

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:26 AM

Pretty sure I heard him say that about Fast & Furious also.

Just sayin’…

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 AM

And Ron Paul will never be the GOP nominee.

Just sayin’…

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:27 AM

And Ron Paul will never be the GOP nominee.

Just sayin’…

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:27 AM

Keep chanting that mantra… I’m sure it will work just as well as “Obama will never be President” did for some people in 2008…

Of course, not having to hedge his bets on sexual harrassment claims helps…

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:30 AM

I took some of that the other day to relieve a backup problem.

Electrongod on November 1, 2011 at 12:23 AM

I’m sure it will warm Steven’s heart to know it’s helping people.

: )

listens2glenn on November 1, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Yeah, I cheated on my wife because I loved my country too much/////

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 AM

And if its revealed that in fact Cain did invite some woman up to his hotel room? What then?

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 12:32 AM

Of course, not having to hedge his bets on sexual harrassment claims helps…

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:30 AM

That or worse would “be discovered,” should Dr. Paul ever be the GOP front runner.

I’m not impugning Dr. Paul’s character.

That or worse would “be discovered” about Jesus Christ Himself, should Jesus ever be the GOP front runner.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 12:33 AM

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:26 AM

: )

listens2glenn on November 1, 2011 at 12:34 AM

And if its revealed that in fact Cain did invite some woman up to his hotel room? What then?

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 12:32 AM

“You see… that proposition I made to her was a joke. She just needed to get a sense of humor about these things.”

That’s my bet on the Auto-Herm response…

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:35 AM

So please, Newt is a saint compared to Cain’s shifty-eyed “explanations”.
Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 AM

Confirmed.

You are an idiot, have no credibility and have confirmed it with that statement.

Yeah, I cheated on my wife because I loved my country too much/////

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 AM

I’m not an idiot — I’m you! Oh, wait…

Here is what is idiotic to me, Knucklemarm:

Idiot is the man who “can’t remember” if he was in a hotel room with the woman who accused him of sexual harassment.

Idiot is not knowing the association you are president of paid off said women who were accusing you of sexual harassment.

Idiot is the man who, ten days prior, could have made this go away with a strong denial and a reasoned explanation when confronted with the issue.

Now the news cycle will be dominated with Herman Cain and whether he did or did not sexually harass two women and what he does or does not remember about the details of the situation. It is a disaster! Idiots are the folks who are giving this idiot money, time, and support.

:-)

So yeah, Newt is a saint compared to Herman Cain and his half a** lies.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Kansas City over San Diego after Rivers has the biggest choke of his career.

John the Libertarian on November 1, 2011 at 12:21 AM

Rivers is starting to make that a habit..:)

Dire Straits on November 1, 2011 at 12:35 AM

That or worse would “be discovered” about Jesus Christ Himself, should Jesus ever be the GOP front runner.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 12:33 AM

Those Jesus stories are already out. They pop up at Christmas and Easter on a wide variety of cable channels every year.

darwin-t on November 1, 2011 at 12:37 AM

That or worse would “be discovered,” should Dr. Paul ever be the GOP front runner.

I’m not impugning Dr. Paul’s character.

That or worse would “be discovered” about Jesus Christ Himself, should Jesus ever be the GOP front runner.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 12:33 AM

I was actually thinking about what might pop up for Dr. Paul if he were to be the frontrunner.

He was in a profession for a long time where very unseemly claims could be made.

Of course, over the course of 11 elections to Congress, I suspect such claims would have been vetted at some point.

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:38 AM

“You see… that proposition I made to her was a joke. She just needed to get a sense of humor about these things.”

That’s my bet on the Auto-Herm response…

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:35 AM

And they will believe it, as ridiculous as that sounds.

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 12:39 AM

listens2glenn on November 1, 2011 at 12:17 AM
I took some of that the other day to relieve a backup problem.

Electrongod on November 1, 2011 at 12:23 AM

Electrongod:The side-effects,are sitting/standing at random,and,
uncontrollable clappping,haha!:)

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:41 AM

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:26 AM
: )

listens2glenn on November 1, 2011 at 12:34 AM

listens2glenn:–:)

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Yeah, I cheated on my wife because I loved my country too much/////

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 12:24 AM

And if its revealed that in fact Cain did invite some woman up to his hotel room? What then?

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 12:32 AM

Nothing. The Cain faithful will tell us all Newt has too much baggage, Perry is a moron, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum. Herb, in the meantime, will continue to lie and present new explanations for every previous explanation that rubs GOP primary voters the wrong way. He will also provide contradictory statements galore that will keep pundits scratching their heads.

Herb is a fool and I cannot in good conscience vote for a shifty-eyed moron.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Bra snapper?

Mason on November 1, 2011 at 12:44 AM

And they will believe it, as ridiculous as that sounds.

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 12:39 AM

Oh, I don’t think the media outlets are going to let that one slide. I think it is becoming quite clear that whatever gloves they had on for handling Herman Cain just came off. And at some point, all but the truest of believers are going to see him as the unprepared rookie that he really is.

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:45 AM

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:04 AM
====================
LoL!..Looks like you have this debate thing down pat..:)

PS..You have posted some very good links in the last couple of days..I am glad to see Mission Control is running well..:)

Dire Straits on November 1, 2011 at 12:10 AM

Dire Straits:I have a window open on Breaking News,sooooooooo
much crap going on!:)

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:47 AM

Otay,I’m gett’n out while the gett’n is good,

———————–Goodnight Everyone!!

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:48 AM

And at some point, all but the truest of believers are going to see him as the unprepared rookie that he really is.

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:45 AM

You must be enjoying this GOP debacle at some level?
This clown circus parade sure ain’t doing your guy Ron Paul much damage that’s for sure.

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM

The left is slavering in salacious anticipation and they’re just getting started, no matter how inconsequential the accusation is this isn’t going away perhaps ever. Conservative activists have to

The vehement hate liberals save just for Black Conservatives takes their usual seething hate to an immeasurable level.

There always was/is going to be something Dems can latch onto (like a big mommy bear) and if something anything couldn’t be found and vastly exaggerated in Cain’s past they’re going to invent something because when you have no standards lying to harm your opponents is a step up in the world.

What Dick Cheney said.

Speakup on November 1, 2011 at 12:50 AM

Of course, over the course of 11 elections to Congress, I suspect such claims would have been vetted at some point.

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Local races are nothing, compared to the national nasty. Just ask Governor Palin.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 12:51 AM

Dire Straits:I have a window open on Breaking News,sooooooooo
much crap going on!:)

canopfor on November 1, 2011 at 12:47 AM

Keep up the good work friend..:)

Dire Straits on November 1, 2011 at 12:54 AM

Herb is a fool and I cannot in good conscience vote for a shifty-eyed moron.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Why don’t you just come out and call him a shifty colored guy? You’re so transparent

darwin-t on November 1, 2011 at 12:54 AM

Why don’t you just come out and call him a shifty colored guy? You’re so transparent

darwin-t on November 1, 2011 at 12:54 AM

Sorry, we are fresh out of Race Cards what with their heavy use by Obama and company.

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 12:58 AM

Local races are nothing, compared to the national nasty. Just ask Governor Palin.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 12:51 AM

That’s true. Someone somewhere has an ax to grind in a presidential election.

But both Palin and Paul have and would deal better with campaign reaction than what we have witnessed today.

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:59 AM

And if its revealed that in fact Cain did invite some woman up to his hotel room? What then?

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 12:32 AM

Until someone gets on the record, repeating the story is immature, irresponsible, and the behavior of a person of low morals.

csdeven on November 1, 2011 at 1:00 AM

a shifty-eyed moron.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Among the many things Cain may be, “moron” is definitely something he is not. You don’t get degrees in math and computer science, turn three money-losing companies into profitable ones, amass a personal fortune from absolutely nothing with no government contracts or cronyism, and go from “fringe candidate” to front-runner if you’re a “moron.”

You may, however, spew mindless drivel condemning your less-favorite Republican candidates if you’re a “moron.” There’s a HotAir poster named “Punchenko” who is exhibit A.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:03 AM

Why don’t you just come out and call him a shifty colored guy?

darwin-t on November 1, 2011 at 12:54 AM

No, I’ll just call him a shifty-eyed liar and a moron. I’m not hung up on race like you or your compatriots trying to silence any discussion about Cain’s ability to govern with the RACE CARD.

Screaming “waaacist!” at me doesn’t shut me up as I will not allow Leftist authoritarianism deter me from speaking the truth about a man or woman’s character and qualifications to lead this country. It certainly did not stop me in ’08 when I was knocking your guy, Obama.

Nice try, though. You can go back to buffing Obama’s jackboots, you turd. :-)

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 1:03 AM

You must be enjoying this GOP debacle at some level?
This clown circus parade sure ain’t doing your guy Ron Paul much damage that’s for sure.

sharrukin on November 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM

No, it certainly isn’t. He campaigns soley on a set of ideological principles, which makes scandal/salacious attacks on him less effective. Of course, it also means he is extremely unlikely to take home the prize. C’est la vie!

Enjoying it? I would enjoy it more, and I truly believe Dr Paul would enjoy it more, if someone like Perry or Gingrich (someone who really wants to be and can be POTUS) would adopt part and parcel his spending plan, and enough of his program that he would feel comfortable heading back to DC, finishing his term, and handing the torch to Rand.

All someone has to do is ste up, and I suspect Crazy Uncle Ron can hand them the keys to the kingdom…

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 1:07 AM

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 12:59 AM

Since Palin has had to deal with it, I can agree with you that she handled it very well (unlike her most ardent supporters, who are a bunch of pants-wetters). As for Paul, I guess I’ll have to take your word for it, since he’s never been subjected to such.

Personally, I don’t think Cain has handled it that poorly. He has shown himself to be surprisingly unprepared – but so was Palin. Even the cutthroat business of Alaska’s political scene, dominated by the Murkowski and Stevens dynasties that she confronted and defeated didn’t prepare her for what she stepped into.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:12 AM

Among the many things Cain may be, “moron” is definitely something he is not. You don’t get degrees in math and computer science, turn three money-losing companies into profitable ones, amass a personal fortune from absolutely nothing with no government contracts or cronyism, and go from “fringe candidate” to front-runner if you’re a “moron.”

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:03 AM

He’s a moron and I don’t care what he studied in college or graduate school. I didn’t fall to pieces in admiration when I heard that Obama graduated magna cum laude from HLS, either. You might have, but I didn’t.

There are plenty of soundbites now to confirm that he really has no clue what he is talking about. Now I’m watching him on Greta tell his “wife and chin” story for the umpteenth time. Cain didn’t even know what the neoconservative movement is or the contributions they made to the dialogue concerning America’s role in the world, the Cold War, or our current involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. He is totally out of his depth which makes little sense since he was ON TALK RADIO.

Rush doesn’t have a degree in math or CS and knows more about what is going on in the world than Herman Cain. Explain that one to me.

Herman is, indeed, a moron and not ready for prime time. Stick to the fast food industry, Herb.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 1:15 AM

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 1:07 AM

A Gingrich/Rand Paul ticket would be pretty awesome.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 1:17 AM

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:12 AM

Remember, Paul has had to deal with some pretty ugly media over the newsletters. Now I don’t think that has entirely gone away, and won’t until Dr Paul commits to do something I’m pretty damned sure he won’t… throw the person who is responsible for them under the bus.

But his handling of it didn’t create a firestorm, like the Cain campaign did over this. Nor did Palin’s handling of any “scandal” (although I still think she misplayed her resignation very badly). And I have to think it comes down to experience. Running for Congress, running for Governor, you get a chance to learn how to do politics when the lights aren’t on full blast. When you make a misstep, you get a chance to learn from it. Not so at this level… and HC is finding that out, probably as we speak.

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 1:20 AM

Since Palin has had to deal with it, I can agree with you that she handled it very well (unlike her most ardent supporters, who are a bunch of pants-wetters). As for Paul, I guess I’ll have to take your word for it, since he’s never been subjected to such.

Personally, I don’t think Cain has handled it that poorly. He has shown himself to be surprisingly unprepared – but so was Palin. Even the cutthroat business of Alaska’s political scene, dominated by the Murkowski and Stevens dynasties that she confronted and defeated didn’t prepare her for what she stepped into.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:12 AM

What’s wrong with palin supporters , specifics.

the_nile on November 1, 2011 at 1:22 AM

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 1:15 AM

Exhibits A and B.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:23 AM

A Gingrich/Rand Paul ticket would be pretty awesome.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 1:17 AM

Problem is Rand Paul is a lot like his old man… I’m quite sure he’d be a lousy attack dog, and I think he has too strong a tendency to wander off the reservation.

Which is a shame, because I think Gingrich/Paul is exactly the type of ticket that could reenergize conservatism for the next generation.

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 1:24 AM

Exhibits A and B.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:23 AM

What?

the_nile on November 1, 2011 at 1:31 AM

But his handling of it didn’t create a firestorm, like the Cain campaign did over this

I thought of that example, after I posted my last comment.

Again, though, Paul’s never been a front runner, never polled above a solid third or fourth in the Republican field. How he would (will) handle it when the Stormfront crap shows back up on the CBS Evening News, rather than some blog reference, coupled with some “expose” on a difficult medical case he had to deal with (omg, he counseled a Jewish woman to have an abortion – if he ever did, ignoring, in my fabricated hypothetical, some context, like she stood a 99% chance of dying if she carried to term) – a congressional race in a very safe district is no indication of how he’d react to real national scrutiny. You’ve been watching him closer, so you’d probably could make a better guess, that’s why I said I’d have to take your word for it.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:32 AM

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:03 AM

Well played.

John the Libertarian on November 1, 2011 at 1:33 AM

Exhibits A and B.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:23 AM

No comment on my last statement to you? Nothing? No rebuttal to the contrary on Herman Cain’s intellectual abilities or curiosity? Hmm? Nothing at all? OK! :-)

Notropis, we need a conservative who can champion the cause — not another shifty-eyed liar looking for riches, fame and glory. That would be Herman Cain and Mitt Romney. I’ve had my fill of explanations, gaffes, and sorry defenses for an ill-prepared candidate to assume the highest office in the land.

Which is a shame, because I think Gingrich/Paul is exactly the type of ticket that could reenergize conservatism for the next generation.

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 1:24 AM

It would. It would certainly excite me to see such a ticket. Both Newt and Rand are smart guys who have done their homework, have a firm philosophical foundation, and can make a reasoned case for conservatism.

The other candidates in the running don’t seem to offer a vision or have any intention on changing the status quo and making history the way Reagan (or Thatcher) did during their time in office.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 1:36 AM

It was going to be a firestorm no matter what he said. It’s the Clarence Thomas thing all over again. They have to denigrate a strong conservative black man into a scoundrel who thinks with his d!ck.

John the Libertarian on November 1, 2011 at 1:37 AM

not another shifty-eyed liar looking for riches, fame and glory. That would be Herman Cain and Mitt Romney

They already have riches and fame, rocket surgeon.

John the Libertarian on November 1, 2011 at 1:38 AM

the_nile on November 1, 2011 at 1:31 AM

That was a reply to Punchenko, not you.

My problem with Palin supporters is that they spend far too much time bemoaning her mistreatment, and not nearly enough time pushing her ideas. Worse than that, they interpret the slightest suggestion of anything Palin could do to improve as a slanderous attack on her character, her intelligence, and her ability to govern.

As Rush famously said when Newt became Speaker, “Expect a full rectal exam.” And by that, he wasn’t saying, “Be ready to handle the whole truth of your life coming out.” What he WAS saying is “Be ready to have the whole world see you as viewed from the inside of your rectum.” He’s dealt with it himself, and you’ll never see him running for national office. He just reminds us, “this is going to happen, folks. And it’s not fair, but it is what it is.”

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:41 AM

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 1:36 AM

Your stupidity is obvious to everyone but you. I don’t need to add a thing.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:43 AM

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:32 AM

How he would (will) handle it when the Stormfront crap shows back up on the CBS Evening News

This one’s the easiest, if the campaign does what I advised them to do last time:

Put out a challenge to themedia… Look, we don’t know Don Black from anyone of the other 50000 donors we have during a campaign… he’s just a name on a list. But go ahead and find any questionable donations you can from White supremacists, Nazis, armed militia,,, whatever, and we’ll separate out their donations.

Then take that money and… don’t give it back… take that money and give it to a group I know likes Ron, and I’m pretty sure Ron likes as well, The Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.

Always liked the idea of Nazi gold being used to arm Jews…

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 1:48 AM

Steve Perry – Oh Sherry

Not to be confused with cocaine fueled, barbiturates taking, Rick Perry.

carbon_footprint on November 1, 2011 at 1:48 AM

They already have riches and fame, rocket surgeon.

John the Libertarian on November 1, 2011 at 1:38 AM

Hence Herb’s book tour, right, and Romney angling for the glory of the presidency since ’08 (if not his entire life.)

Nice try. An “A” for effort for John the Idiotarian.

I don’t need to add a thing.

notropis on November 1, 2011 at 1:43 AM

I don’t think you are capable of adding anything. You would do much better defending Herb than attacking me and maybe — just maybe — the conversation with you would be more stimulating.

I feel I am asking for too much. :-(

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 1:51 AM

Just a little humor to lighten the mood. This was the only thing on Hot Air today that made me smile.

German Chancellor Andrea Merkel also complained that Cain had harassed her during meetings. After coming on to her repeatedly, she finally just shouted at him “NEIN NEIN NEIN!”

Nethicus on October 31, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Elisa on November 1, 2011 at 1:52 AM

Cain impressed me all day long with all his interview. He especially did well in Greta’s interview, even though she was hard on him, but in a fair way, I thought. She acted like a prosecutor and he responded and explained it all beautifully. I think she did him a favor going into such depth and playing devil’s advocate. Gave Cain an opportunity to respond to what some may be thinking out there.

He made these difficult explanations look calm and easy. Unflappable like some else here said. And such a gentleman in every way.

God bless this man. Don’t know if I will be lucky enough to be able to vote for him next year, but it might happen.

Elisa on November 1, 2011 at 1:35 AM

Elisa on November 1, 2011 at 1:54 AM

H.S.A.S – Giza

carbon_footprint on November 1, 2011 at 1:55 AM

A sexual harassment “settlement” and a termination agreement with severance pay are not the same thing. Both however typically have non disclosure type things in them, even when the termination was not over any incident. They don’t want past employees bad mouthing the company.

Cain didn’t remember any harassment “settlement” earlier in the day because there was none. 2-3 months severance on a $50,000 salary (if Cain is remembering this correctly) isn’t much to settle a credible dispute, but it is typical of severance. That’s all it was. Nothing credible.

I think there are alot over over 50′s on this site (like me) and I know it’s hard to remember details on even important things from 15 years ago.

Cain’s innocence is completely credible and he has been clear, emphatic and unwavering since yesterday that he has NEVER sexually harassed anyone EVER in his life. And I think most voters will believe him.

How ridiculous for anyone to be offended by his “gesture” saying she was as tall as his wife, just to be friendly and have something in common with someone.

He is a gentleman in every way.

Elisa on November 1, 2011 at 1:45 AM

So many Cain threads here today. Good night everyone.

Elisa on November 1, 2011 at 1:55 AM

Cain impressed me all day long with all his interview… He made these difficult explanations look calm and easy. Unflappable like some else here said. And such a gentleman in every way.

Elisa on November 1, 2011 at 1:54 AM

I’m going to need some of Rick Perry’s cocaine and barbiturates to make effective use of those rose-tinted glasses you got there, Elisa.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 1:57 AM

Is it rose-tinted or rose-colored? Either way I need a pair to see the positive that came out of today’s Cain Wreck Marathon. :-(

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 2:00 AM

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 1:57 AM

Well played sir, very well played.

carbon_footprint on November 1, 2011 at 2:08 AM

Well played sir, very well played.

carbon_footprint on November 1, 2011 at 2:08 AM

We do what we can. :-)

(Gingrich/Perry – Perry/Gingrich ’12!)

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 2:21 AM

(Gingrich/Perry – Perry/Gingrich ’12!)

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 2:21 AM

Winning combo, there.

carbon_footprint on November 1, 2011 at 2:27 AM

Cain didn’t remember any harassment “settlement” earlier in the day because there was none. 2-3 months severance on a $50,000 salary (if Cain is remembering this correctly) isn’t much to settle a credible dispute, but it is typical of severance. That’s all it was. Nothing credible.

I think there are alot over over 50′s on this site (like me) and I know it’s hard to remember details on even important things from 15 years ago.

Cain’s innocence is completely credible and he has been clear, emphatic and unwavering since yesterday that he has NEVER sexually harassed anyone EVER in his life. And I think most voters will believe him.

How ridiculous for anyone to be offended by his “gesture” saying she was as tall as his wife, just to be friendly and have something in common with someone.

He is a gentleman in every way.

Elisa on November 1, 2011 at 1:45 AM

Your posts — with the bold on *key* sentences — is much like those awful GOP mailers I get begging for money. No one is buying Cain’s crap anymore save for you Cain faithful who will use pretzel logic to defend the indefensible.

And I don’t blame Bob Beckel for defending Cain today. Bob wants his guy, Obama, to get another four years followed by getting the House and keeping the Senate. Bob knows who to root for to make that happen.

In the meantime, we look over viable Not-Romney candidates — like Newt and Perry — who could win this race based on their ideas, experience, and ability to coherently explain something like, I don’t know, whether or not they took a woman back to the hotel room with them.

See, I can use bold, too! :-)

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 2:30 AM

JUDY WOODRUFF: And there was some mention of a hotel room at a convention or at a meeting. Did any one of these women, were they ever asked to meet you, or….

HERMAN CAIN: That I absolutely do not recall. You know, I have no recollection of that.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Was there any behavior on your part that you think might have been inappropriate?

HERMAN CAIN: In my opinion, no. But as you would imagine, it’s in the eye of the person who thinks that maybe I crossed the line.

Indefensible.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 2:34 AM

Punkchenko, please help me figure out which HA said the following, because I’m having trouble doing so: “Using “toxic” and “denial” when referring to people’s mental states is what psychobabblers do; when you get to a certain level of superior intelligence, you understand that being concerned with presenting arguments free of logical fallacies is what morons do; claiming to be Christian while calling others moron over and over and over in lieu of reasonable refutations of what they say qualifies you for sainthood, and for genius status as well.”

Bizarro No. 1 on November 1, 2011 at 2:34 AM

Should have been “which member of HA” in the first line…

Bizarro No. 1 on November 1, 2011 at 2:36 AM

An “A” for effort

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 1:51 AM

I’m sensing you’re a shut-in.

John the Libertarian on November 1, 2011 at 2:47 AM

Journey – Don’t Stop Believin’ (Live in Houston)

Tonight’s theme, for those of you paying attention, was Six Degrees of Journey!

carbon_footprint on November 1, 2011 at 2:52 AM

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