Cain: In my opinion, I did nothing inappropriate

posted at 8:34 pm on October 31, 2011 by Allahpundit

Not the only maybe-interesting-maybe-not hedge from tonight’s PBS interview. Business Insider highlights this exchange as evidence that the scandal’s still alive:

JUDY WOODRUFF: And there was some mention of a hotel room at a convention or at a meeting. Did any one of these women, were they ever asked to meet you, or….

HERMAN CAIN: That I absolutely do not recall. You know, I have no recollection of that.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Was there any behavior on your part that you think might have been inappropriate?

HERMAN CAIN: In my opinion, no. But as you would imagine, it’s in the eye of the person who thinks that maybe I crossed the line.

One of the difficulties of this story is trying to gauge whether an unpolished, inexperienced non-pol like Cain is capable of slick deceitful parsing or whether, as usual, he’s simply winging it and stumbling into inartful phrasing that raises doubts inadvertently. Remember, this is a guy who’s had to explain his position on abortion five or six times over the last few weeks because he couldn’t get through an unmuddled answer. Maybe he really doesn’t recall what happened back then and doesn’t want to get caught in a “lie” if it turns out he had a business meeting with one of the accusers in his hotel room. Maybe he’s being precise about his “opinion” because his lawyers warned him that there’s some sort of nondisparagement clause in the settlements that discourages him from asserting that his accusers are liars. Or maybe he’s much craftier than we all think and really is engaged in a bit of Clintonian hedging here. It’s hard enough determining the truth when we have so few facts, but when the candidate himself is a question mark, it’s impossible.

Actually, his whole campaign is a question mark. Politico notes tonight that Team Cain has executed a flip-flop-flip on whether they knew about the settlements. This afternoon Cain said he did but this morning he said he didn’t. When Politico asked his spokesman a week ago, this was the answer:

It’s difficult – if not impossible – to explain Cain’s reversal from earlier Monday, when he said he wasn’t familiar with cash payouts, period, with his later admission that he had discussed terms of settlement with the NRA’s general counsel.

In fact, Cain’s latest statements on Fox and PBS bear a close resemblance to his campaign’s first response to POLITICO when asked about harassment charges under his leadership. “This was settled amicably among all parties many years ago,” Cain’s spokesman told POLITICO over a week ago. He subsequently said he was not referring specifically to a legal settlement.

Hmmmm. Whatever the truth is, Cain also told PBS tonight that the settlement amount was so “minimal” that the NRA’s general counsel didn’t need to bring it to him for approval and resolved it on his own. (Cain’s exact words: “If I did — and I don’t think I did — I don’t even remember signing it because it was minimal in terms of what the agreement was.”) I’m thinking he must be telling the truth about that because it’d be too easy, and too damaging, to catch him if he’s lying. The numbers will come out sooner or later; if the settlement is near $100,000, this will blow up on him again. It must be a fairly modest amount, which strengthens the case that there’s more smoke here than fire.

Exit quotation from RCP political analyst Sean Trende: “The Cain story is almost certainly from an R campaign. The fact it is being dropped in Oct. suggests there is worse to come.”

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Are you sure, absolutely sure, you didn’t make a non-sexual gesture of some kind that offended his sexual sensibilities, like crossing your legs while taking a drag on a cigarette, Sharon Stone style? ;-)

TXUS on October 31, 2011 at 10:02 PM

The only gesture I made was when I raised my two hands and used my two index fingers and stated “it was this long”.

And for the record, I never learned about this suit until it was over and the company attorney and accusers attorney had laughed it off and said this man didn’t have a case. Pretty similar to what Cain is saying.

Knucklehead on October 31, 2011 at 10:10 PM

portlandon: Yes, I agree that Romney is threatened by Cain’s rise, and Romney’s camp seems to be behind a lot of Politico bomb throwing. Either his camp or Obama’s have the money and the staff to play this kind of dirty politics, and both seem to have the backing of Politico in pushing who the presidential contenders will be.

The story appears to be one of political death by a thousand cuts, and the media vultures have a story to satisfy their feeding frenzy while taking their eye off Obama’s mischief.

onlineanalyst on October 31, 2011 at 10:11 PM

This is one thing that worries me about Cain. Regarding issues that he should be taking seriously (foreign policy, abortion, etc.), he seems unable to communicate clearly. One attempt to “clarify” leads to three more attempts, and still we wonder.

Not ready for prime time.

Splashman on October 31, 2011 at 10:21 PM

The presidential campaigns of Mitt Romney and Rick Perry on Monday flatly denied any involvement in pushing the story of sexual allegations against rival Herman Cain.

“Every time one of the other campaigns gets a bad story they try to blame us,” said Perry spokesperson Mark Miner. “It’s way off-base. It’s completely inaccurate.”

Mitt Romney’s campaign issued a similar response. “We had absolutely nothing to do with it,” said Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul.

Leave Cain alone.

Schadenfreude on October 31, 2011 at 10:29 PM

Well, who benefits? Romney, from reshuffling the conservative deck to buy him even more time until Iowa, or everyone else, who’s struggling to pull out of single digits and desperately needs a miracle?

KingGold on October 31, 2011 at 8:43 PM

I can’t believe this – all day the Cainlusionals have been defending Cain saying that these sexual harassment reports can’t be believed because there is no evidence behind them …

And then they turn around … and condemn other “R” campaigns without the slightest shard of evidence.

Hell – my mother-in-law could have planted that story with politico for all anyone knows – or, how about this … maybe, just maybe – POLITICO scooped this on their own.

Maybe one of Cain’s former disgruntled campaign staff gave the story to Politico? There was a story just a few days on people like this from his campaign.

Hell – maybe the reason we haven’t seen Cain’s wife is because she doesn’t want him running for POTUS and SHE planted the story to sink his chances.

Theories, Conjecture … Innuendo …

BS

HondaV65 on October 31, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Anyone surprised? Romney and Perry are slick politicians with campaign money.

terryannonline on October 31, 2011 at 8:53 PM

The presidential campaigns of Mitt Romney and Rick Perry on Monday flatly denied any involvement in pushing the story of sexual allegations against rival Herman Cain.

Schadenfreude on October 31, 2011 at 10:32 PM

It’s a twofer for Politico, they get to hammer Cain and then later leak the name of the campaign which released the info, making them look like dirty pigs.

Bishop on October 31, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Exactly. Notice how the headline has already changed? Me thinks some of the Cain bashers may be crying in their beer shortly. Weasels at politico scrounging for traffic.

katy the mean old lady on October 31, 2011 at 10:33 PM

HondaV65 on October 31, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Indeed. Lots of inuendo and speculation, from most quarters, especially the HA commentariat.

Schadenfreude on October 31, 2011 at 10:35 PM

Exactly. Notice how the headline has already changed? Me thinks some of the Cain bashers may be crying in their beer shortly. Weasels at politico scrounging for traffic.

katy the mean old lady on October 31, 2011 at 10:33 PM

The thing about Cain – is even if he survives this the next “scandal” for his campaign is only five minutes around the corner.

Guy gaffes more than Joe “Plugs” Biden ever did.

HondaV65 on October 31, 2011 at 10:35 PM

Exactly. Notice how the headline has already changed? Me thinks some of the Cain bashers may be crying in their beer shortly. Weasels at politico scrounging for traffic.

katy the mean old lady on October 31, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Unlike HA///////

Knucklehead on October 31, 2011 at 10:37 PM

TXUS on October 31, 2011 at 9:39 PM

I wrote about a case in the morning meme that occurred on an Air Force Base in the early 1980′s that ruined an Air Force Master Sergeant’s career. He was showing two newbies, female, how to drive the flight line when another vehicle cut him off. He reflexively gave the other driver the universal road sign. A sexual harassment complaint was filed against him and it got ugly from there. (It wasn’t me, I was the Traffic Management Officer whom he worked for. The Transportation Squadron Commander overruled my findings and went after him with a vengeance.)It is all to easy for things to be misconstrued and blown out of context. As another poster said it is extremely difficult to defend against a feeling.

chemman on October 31, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Indeed. Lots of inuendo and speculation, from most quarters, especially the HA commentariat.

Schadenfreude on October 31, 2011 at 10:35 PM

This was my favorite post of the day/

Perry and Mittbots hoped there were pictures of rape or that Cain was involved in sadomasochism. Sad.

andy85719 on October 31, 2011 at 4:45 PM

gophergirl on October 31, 2011 at 10:41 PM

chemman on October 31, 2011 at 10:37 PM

We don’t know the circumstances or the facts in this case and Cain is all over the place in explaining it. It’s fine to give him the benefit of the doubt – but I don’t think it’s appropriate to “imagine” situations and innuendo that clears him while condemning the women who made the complaint.

The only real issue I see here at the moment is Cain’s inability (again) to articulate a message. As well as his seeming unconcern with the story from the beginning (he apparently knew about this 10 days ago and didn’t have any media strategy to counter it and was caught completely off-guard in a TV interview when the question was asked.)

HondaV65 on October 31, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Unlike HA///////

Knucklehead on October 31, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Snort! They’re just beating this like a red haired step child, aren’t they?. Times got hard on HA with Palin gone. Alas, no more 1,000 + comments.

katy the mean old lady on October 31, 2011 at 10:45 PM

Snort! They’re just beating this like a red haired step child, aren’t they?. Times got hard on HA with Palin gone. Alas, no more 1,000 + comments.

katy the mean old lady on October 31, 2011 at 10:45 PM

Indeed; they should change the headline to “Cain – Even Sarah Palin would think I did nothing wrong!”

Triple the comment count, at least…

massrighty on October 31, 2011 at 10:48 PM

Every week a new Herman Cain nuclear meltdown that dominates news coverage. Unbelievable.

I feel bad for you folks sending $$$ to Herb. :-(

Punchenko on October 31, 2011 at 10:49 PM

chemman on October 31, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Unreal. I should be broke or in jail for using the KTMOL hand directional signal.

katy the mean old lady on October 31, 2011 at 10:50 PM

The only gesture I made was when I raised my two hands and used my two index fingers and stated “it was this long”.

And for the record, I never learned about this suit until it was over and the company attorney and accusers attorney had laughed it off and said this man didn’t have a case. Pretty similar to what Cain is saying.

Knucklehead on October 31, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Obviously, your male accuser was sexually harassed, his personhood being offended by the fact that the distance between your index fingers was significantly longer than anything he could offer. My legal opinion: Penis envy does not a sexual harassment case make.

So, no doubt the lawyers laughed, but it is not unusual at all that the accused in these cases are left out of the loop, as Cain says he was, since including them, even when they’re completely innocent, might get them to do or say things to the accuser or others that could make the innocent accused’s case look bad. You’re dealing with human nature, here.

TXUS on October 31, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Snort! They’re just beating this like a red haired step child, aren’t they?. Times got hard on HA with Palin gone. Alas, no more 1,000 + comments.

katy the mean old lady on October 31, 2011 at 10:45 PM

They are. Time for a vacation and some independent thinking on my part.

Knucklehead on October 31, 2011 at 11:00 PM

The only gesture I made was when I raised my two hands and used my two index fingers and stated “it was this long”.

And for the record, I never learned about this suit until it was over and the company attorney and accusers attorney had laughed it off and said this man didn’t have a case. Pretty similar to what Cain is saying.

Knucklehead on October 31, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Well, that explains why the lawyers laughed it off. The accuser was obviously sexually offended because the distance between your fingers was obviously much longer than he could offer on a good night. My legal opinion: Alas, pen!s-envy does not a SH case make.

It is not unusual to exclude the accused from the progress of these kind of cases, particularly when they’re innocent, since human nature might make them say something to their accuser or to others that would make them look bad in court later on.

TXUS on October 31, 2011 at 11:11 PM

I wrote about a case in the morning meme that occurred on an Air Force Base in the early 1980′s that ruined an Air Force Master Sergeant’s career. He was showing two newbies, female, how to drive the flight line when another vehicle cut him off. He reflexively gave the other driver the universal road sign. A sexual harassment complaint was filed against him and it got ugly from there. (It wasn’t me, I was the Traffic Management Officer whom he worked for. The Transportation Squadron Commander overruled my findings and went after him with a vengeance.)It is all to easy for things to be misconstrued and blown out of context. As another poster said it is extremely difficult to defend against a feeling.

chemman on October 31, 2011 at 10:37 PM

So, the Master Sergeant get’s burned for shooting the finger at someone else in front of two female subs. Something’s quite wrong here. Did he fight it? If I had been his JAG, the first question to the women would have been, “Have you ever shot the finger at someone or seen someone do that before.?” If they admit to it, or if they deny an obvious lie, end of case.

TXUS on October 31, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Maybe he really doesn’t recall what happened back then and doesn’t want to get caught in a “lie” if it turns out he had a business meeting with one of the accusers in his hotel room.

Here we are at the end of the first day. Do we actually have ANY of the three basic components of any news story? Who, what and where have all been IGNORED by the people running this desperate smear campaign.

And yet, right here at the Romney campaign headquarters we have post after post that IGNORES the FACT that there are NO FACTS in this entire story.

Freddy on October 31, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Sad day when Newt Gingrich comes as looking as the classiest guy in the whole GOP field.

William Amos on October 31, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m not there yet. Can’t swallow the stuff about him divorcing his wife for one “more presidential.”
No…it’s not time for Gingrich fans to celebrate.

Cain is still a man of integrity, until proven otherwise.

balkanmom on October 31, 2011 at 11:35 PM

One of the difficulties of this story is trying to gauge whether an unpolished, inexperienced non-pol like Cain is capable of slick deceitful parsing or whether, as usual, he’s simply winging it and stumbling into inartful phrasing that raises doubts inadvertently.

Politicians aren’t the only ones who lie, AP. Businesspeople lie all the time, too.

Y-not on October 31, 2011 at 11:40 PM

No…it’s not time for Gingrich fans to celebrate.

balkanmom on October 31, 2011 at 11:35 PM

I’m dancing in the end zone. :-)

Newt is the only one who can bring *real* substance to this race and take on Obama. Herman can’t even get through a news cycle without it blowing up into a total circus.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:53 AM

Good God.

You know the reason this non-scandal is still alive?

Because everyone, especially the amorphous, spineless Perry-supporting swine (or former Perry supporters, remember, these folks think in 6 hour maximum increments), is reading a worst case scenario into every little statement, then running with it.

It’s like anti-Obama syndrome, where everyone gave the benefit of the doubt to everything he said, including such statements as “electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket under my plan” or “you can run a coal company, but it will bankrupt you.”

The only thing giving this legs is a few select pundits who have everything to lose if Cain is the nominee. Allahpundit isn’t really one of these, but he represents their general political attitudes. What is Krauthammer going to do when Cain not only becomes the nominee, but handily defeats Barack Obama? NRO has staked its credibility on pretending “if not Mitt, who?” is the most valid question in primary discourse, rather than “Can Mitt actually beat Obama when he can’t even energize a quarter of the base?”

BKennedy on November 1, 2011 at 1:48 AM

I’m dancing in the end zone. :-)

Newt is the only one who can bring *real* substance to this race and take on Obama. Herman can’t even get through a news cycle without it blowing up into a total circus.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:53 AM

Really? You’re dancing? Over this? And for Newt?

Newt, the kid who had an inappropriate sexual relationship with his teacher while in high school? Who later married said teacher, then cheated on her while she was in the hospital? Married the mistress then again cheated on her with a Congressional aide?

Really? You’re dancing and think that this about Cain helps Newt?

So you’re going to excuse Gingrich and his first wife’s illegal conduct, AND the ethical misconduct of having an affair with a
Congressional aide? AND, you think that a mere allegation, with no demonstrably merit sinks Cain and raises Newt?

Really?

Jason Coleman on November 1, 2011 at 2:20 AM

Yawn

Herman Cain 2012
Still the best candidate for America

DaMav on November 1, 2011 at 7:03 AM

I’m sure the entire story is going to come out, as it always does, and I’m reserving judgement on Cain for the moment.

TXUS on October 31, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Same here. I have a bad feeling about it though. Just a feeling, I hope I’m wrong. Cain is my second choice and I really hate to be running out of choices.

kg598301 on November 1, 2011 at 7:49 AM

Newt is the only one who can bring *real* substance to this race and take on Obama. Herman can’t even get through a news cycle without it blowing up into a total circus.

Punchenko on November 1, 2011 at 12:53 AM

Cain was doing perfectly fine before he became a front runner. Then the knives came out. If Gingrich ever gets that status, his illicit affairs and HUGE ethical problems will resurface and it will be obvious that his ethical problems are substantially more problematic for him.

You are sounding like a disgruntled former worshiper of St Palin the Victimized. If so, you need to take a break from Hot Air until you can gain a rational perspective of life. That is if you are capable of it. You are probably living in your grammy’s basement and haven’t seen the light of day since you got out of the 8th grade.

csdeven on November 1, 2011 at 8:50 AM

as usual, he’s simply winging it

Allah, is this MSNBC? Do we have to carry the memes over here?

faraway on November 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM

Small potatoes. Who cares. Would still vote for him unless he’s a serial killer.

I’d vote for a fruit roll-up if it ran against Obama.

rollthedice on November 1, 2011 at 9:07 AM

This seems to me to put paid to Cain. The guy is running for president. He has a paid up sexual harassment case on his charge sheet.

He’s telling us he didn’t sit down and think the implications through? He doesn’t remember the facts? If you were running for pres would you not sit down and carefully vet the facts? If only to think up a strategy to combat opposition lies.

I see this two ways either what Cain is saying is true and the whole thing was a shake-down and he can’t remember, and they haven’t planned an answer to all this and that just tells me he’s not ready to have his finger on the nuke button.

Or he did plan this strategy and there is more to come. In which case he’s lying and I no longer support him.

If nothing happened, he needs to come out and say so clearly. If something did happen, we need to know exactly what it was.

Hope on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 AM

Allah, is this MSNBC? Do we have to carry the memes over here?

faraway on November 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM

+1

MisterPundit on November 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Jason Coleman, you are right on.
Newt’s skeletons are what holds him back.
Cain has no skeletons.

balkanmom on November 1, 2011 at 9:16 AM

well its herman’s time to get vetted and he sure aint handling it well at all.

chasdal on November 1, 2011 at 9:19 AM

maybe I crossed the line

pre-emptive damage control.

ABANDON SHIP CAINIACS.

Bachmann or Perry, take your pick.

PappyD61 on November 1, 2011 at 9:20 AM

Unless he is caught in bed with a young white boy, he’ll get my vote. Imagine him debating Obama…Obama might refuse to debate him.

Karmi on November 1, 2011 at 9:20 AM

Cain is finished. And not because of the charges.

He is finished because he told a different story every single time he was interviewed yesterday. He is not ready for Presidential politics and his staff is certainly not ready.

Let Herman be Herman is a slogan, not a Presidential campaign strategy!

huckleberryfriend on November 1, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Cain has no skeletons.

balkanmom on November 1, 2011 at 9:16 AM

Are you Cainiacs for real? My worst fears have been realized. There is a subset of the GOP that wants its own version of Obama – an inexperienced charismatic black man – so they can tell liberals: “We also did it!”.

They will excuse all his weaknesses and shove their fingers in their ears singing “La la la la…” and then wake up shocked when that candidate proves the skeptics right in his very first term.

TheRightMan on November 1, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Cain is on Laura Ingraham right now. He said he made a conscious decision that his campaign would not deal with anonymous sources until any charges came out.

TheQuestion on November 1, 2011 at 9:39 AM

If nothing happened, he needs to come out and say so clearly. If something did happen, we need to know exactly what it was.

Hope on November 1, 2011 at 9:14 AM

He denied the charges. If you want drama, go watch Snooki and The Situation. Otherwise, Cain has said all he should need to say. It doesn’t get more clear than “the charges were false and baseless.”

gryphon202 on November 1, 2011 at 9:48 AM

People, people, people … Let’s stop the innuendo and guessing who did this. It was Karl Rove.

Guaranteed.

MaxMBJ on November 1, 2011 at 9:54 AM

People, people, people … Let’s stop the innuendo and guessing who did this. It was Karl Rove.

Guaranteed.

MaxMBJ on November 1, 2011 at 9:54 AM

Frankly, I don’t care. It could have been anyone with an axe to grind. Whoever did it was scum, and that’s all I need to know.

gryphon202 on November 1, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Cain has no skeletons.

balkanmom on November 1, 2011 at 9:16 AM

I wouldn’t go that far, but as skeletons go, this “not overtly sexual but made someone uncomfortable” is like one minor bone from the foot way back in the corner of the closet under a box of tissue paper.

Jason Coleman on November 1, 2011 at 10:15 AM

The top 4 stories in Top Picks devoted to this?

Sharke on November 1, 2011 at 10:25 AM

maybe I crossed the line

pre-emptive damage control.

ABANDON SHIP CAINIACS.

Bachmann or Perry, take your pick.

PappyD61 on November 1, 2011 at 9:20 AM

I thought that quote was incriminating, and “you’re the same height as my wife (motioning to his chin)” is about the lamest thing I ever heard. Why would he say that to a coworker or anyone else?

txsurveyor on November 1, 2011 at 10:42 AM

Punchenko wants to talk about Newt. He’s a moral disaster. All of the rest of the candidates are still with their first spouses. Not their third one — whose union came about through the path of an extramarital affair. Newt fans should be scared of what is to come from him. Eeesh.

balkanmom on November 1, 2011 at 10:49 AM

TheRightMan on November 1, 2011 at 9:29 AM

No, it’s your putty like brain that absorbs anything anti whomever you support…you fall into the MSM trap, you are what they call a useful idiot.
You don’t have the will power to stand up to the MSM, back them down, because you might be wrong maybe a little…the fact is, you and others like you are wimps, afraid to stand tall and take tough times. They did it to Perry, Cain, Rubio, Bachman, Romney, and you buy into every time…you, and the others like you, are weak willed wimps that are easily manipulated.
We have the strongest field of candidates probably ever put together, and all you guys get rolled over by Politico, NYT, LAT, Media Matters, it’s a piece of cake for them to get you to retreat…it’s easy for them to manipulate you, and you don’t even know it.
A person getting conned never sees it, and often when it is pointed out, will defend the con man…you are an easy mark.

right2bright on November 1, 2011 at 11:10 AM

TheRightMan on November 1, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Yes, we are for real.
Who is it that you want to win?

balkanmom on November 1, 2011 at 11:16 AM

maybe I crossed the line

pre-emptive damage control.

ABANDON SHIP CAINIACS.

Bachmann or Perry, take your pick.

PappyD61 on November 1, 2011 at 9:20 AM

I thought that quote was incriminating, and “you’re the same height as my wife (motioning to his chin)” is about the lamest thing I ever heard. Why would he say that to a coworker or anyone else?

txsurveyor on November 1, 2011 at 10:42 AM

2 things I disagree with.

I think Cain was being polite and humble giving his accuser the benefit of the doubt several times when he said “maybe” something crossed a line in someone else’s opinion and that individuals take things different ways. Obviously he did and said nothing offensive by the standards of most normal people.

And what in the world is wrong with him trying to be friendly to someone and talk about something they have in common, by mentioning his wife is the same height. I can easily see someone saying that and it is not inappropriate. Cain is a very jovial and gregarious man. But it is apparent that he is always a gentleman.

Elisa on November 1, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Really? You’re dancing? Over this? And for Newt?

Newt, the kid who had an inappropriate sexual relationship with his teacher while in high school? Who later married said teacher, then cheated on her while she was in the hospital? Married the mistress then again cheated on her with a Congressional aide?

Really? You’re dancing and think that this about Cain helps Newt?

So you’re going to excuse Gingrich and his first wife’s illegal conduct, AND the ethical misconduct of having an affair with a
Congressional aide? AND, you think that a mere allegation, with no demonstrably merit sinks Cain and raises Newt?

Really?

Jason Coleman on November 1, 2011 at 2:20 AM

Worth repeating. I just love how some people here are dancing on Herman Cain’s grave in order to prop their own candidate up instead of voicing their outrage about a story with unnamed sources.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Worth repeating. I just love how some people here are dancing on Herman Cain’s grave in order to prop their own candidate up instead of voicing their outrage about a story with unnamed sources.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

balkanmom on November 1, 2011 at 11:23 AM

Anyone who has ever had to handle complaints like this at large organizations can tell you that most of them do not have merit. We have created a culture that teaches people to run to government anytime they feel “uncomfortable” as opposed to dealing with life themselves. Look at the Occupy movement for a great example. Don’t know the circumstances here and apparently few do, but my money is on a disgruntled employee who decided they would show Herman who was boss.

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” —H.L. Mencken

pgrossjr on November 1, 2011 at 11:24 AM

A sexual harassment “settlement” and a termination agreement with severance pay are not the same thing. Both however typically have non disclosure type things in them, even when the termination was not over any incident. They don’t want past employees bad mouthing the company.

Cain didn’t remember any harassment “settlement” earlier in the day because there was none. 2-3 months severance on a $50,000 salary (if Cain is remembering this correctly) isn’t much to settle a credible dispute, but it is typical of severance. That’s all it was. Nothing credible.

He asked back then if the matter was resolved and was told it was. The severance pay was peanuts and something the woman would have gotten anyway. So he in his mind he did not remember this as a harassment “settlement,” because it wasn’t.

Do you all think Cain would be that stupid or incompetent to try and hide something like that on purpose only to change the story a few hours later?

I think there are alot over over 50′s on this site (like me) and I know it’s hard to remember details on even important things from 15 years ago.

Cain’s innocence is completely credible and he has been clear, emphatic and unwavering since yesterday that he has NEVER sexually harassed anyone EVER in his life. And I think most voters will believe him.

How ridiculous for anyone to be offended by his “gesture” saying she was as tall as his wife, just to be friendly and have something in common with someone.

He is a gentleman in every way.

Elisa on November 1, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Elisa, I agree with you. It’s a war against Cain. It’s hard to watch a good man be stalked like this, when others (Clinton, Kennedy…) get a pass. Shows that Cain is standing up for what is right.

balkanmom on November 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM

winging it and stumbling into inartful phrasing

Give it up. Cain is handling it beautifully, No one is saying , “oooooooh that nasty Cain”

Conservatives don’t see the “sexual” in the “sexual harrassment” and Cain is not wavering in his interviews.

It takes a retarded Neocon to think that the SkurtheConservativeBase thing actually works

LeeSeneca on November 1, 2011 at 11:32 AM

It didnt hurt his fundraising…
Block: Monday Was ‘One Of Our Best Fundraising Days Ever’
http://livewire.talkingpoi​ntsmemo.com/updates/1569

lovingmyUSA on November 1, 2011 at 11:34 AM

lovingmyUSA on November 1, 2011 at 11:34 AM

I’m not surprised at all after what I saw going on over at Facebook on Sunday night and all day yesterday. People who’ve never donated to a candidate were sending money to Cain, even when they couldn’t spare it.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Anyone who has ever had to handle complaints like this at large organizations can tell you that most of them do not have merit. We have created a culture that teaches people to run to government anytime they feel “uncomfortable” as opposed to dealing with life themselves. Look at the Occupy movement for a great example. Don’t know the circumstances here and apparently few do, but my money is on a disgruntled employee who decided they would show Herman who was boss.

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” —H.L. Mencken

pgrossjr on November 1, 2011 at 11:24 AM

Cain did mention that the employee’s job performance was in question BEFORE the allegations. And the woman did not report to Cain directly. It was someone else who was critiquing her performance. This could have been a preemptive strike if the woman knew her job was in jeopardy. But that is just speculation.

Elisa on November 1, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Politico Reporter Vogel Worked For Soros-Funded Group

http://spectator.org/blog/2011/06/24/politico-reporter-vogel-worked

Hmmm…

lovingmyUSA on November 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Lets see, the GOP is offering us a not-ready-for City Council amateur pol and a slick, cardboard cutout socialist-conservative pol(or is that a conservative-socialist?). yeesh….

I wish the GOP would hurry up and implode so that cons would finally get off their duffs and set up their own party.

james23 on November 1, 2011 at 1:37 PM

Politico Reporter Vogel Worked For Soros-Funded Group

http://spectator.org/blog/2011/06/24/politico-reporter-vogel-worked

Hmmm…

lovingmyUSA on November 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Lovely………..shock.

PappyD61 on November 1, 2011 at 1:51 PM

I must say the Cainiacs on this forum are a study in hypocrisy and are really funny to watch.

Just imagine for one second that this story was about Perry. Anyone want to bet how many “Perry is toast” comments would have come from Knucklehead and her band of Cainlusionals?

These Cainiacs were frothing at the mouth during the Perry “racist rock” incident and remain peeved by Perry’s “heartless” comment – and yet circle the Cain wagon in a story that is still developing and might yet blossom into something very damaging.

Alas… that is the beauty of politics. Your candidate is a devil, mine is an angel.

:)

TheRightMan on November 1, 2011 at 2:02 PM

I must say the Cainiacs on this forum are a study in hypocrisy and are really funny to watch.

Just imagine for one second that this story was about Perry. Anyone want to bet how many “Perry is toast” comments would have come from Knucklehead and her band of Cainlusionals?

These Cainiacs were frothing at the mouth during the Perry “racist rock” incident and remain peeved by Perry’s “heartless” comment – and yet circle the Cain wagon in a story that is still developing and might yet blossom into something very damaging.

Alas… that is the beauty of politics. Your candidate is a devil, mine is an angel.

:)

TheRightMan on November 1, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Screw you, pal. I defended Perry against the n!ggerhead charges just like I’m defending Cain now. Still no way in hell would I vote for Perry, but my feelings on him have nothing to do with a made-up “scandal.”

gryphon202 on November 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM

I am obviously not a Cain supporter for many reasons, so this means little. However, people are giving this guy way more of the benefit of the doubt than he deserves. Erveryone thinks this just appeared out of thin air? He doesn’t remember if he did anything, then he does, then he doesn’t? I’ve had a long, often colorful life myself, and I have vivid memories of important events in my life dating back to when I was 4 years old. So this man is that absent minded that he can’t remember, and you want him to be President? Please? It amounts to the same thing I tell lawyers when polled for jury duty. If there’s enough evidence to indict, chances are he’s guilty.

Dig a deeper hole Herman… Another just like Clinton who isn’t man enough to stand by his actions…

Next…

stacman on November 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM

I am obviously not a Cain supporter for many reasons, so this means little. However, people are giving this guy way more of the benefit of the doubt than he deserves. Erveryone thinks this just appeared out of thin air? He doesn’t remember if he did anything, then he does, then he doesn’t? I’ve had a long, often colorful life myself, and I have vivid memories of important events in my life dating back to when I was 4 years old. So this man is that absent minded that he can’t remember, and you want him to be President? Please? It amounts to the same thing I tell lawyers when polled for jury duty. If there’s enough evidence to indict, chances are he’s guilty.

Dig a deeper hole Herman… Another just like Clinton who isn’t man enough to stand by his actions…

Next…

stacman on November 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM

But it means enough to you to say something about it. And not just a little something, but a lengthy comment. Riiiiiight….

gryphon202 on November 1, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Since the “victim” hasn’t let the matter drop, the Restaurant Association should probably ask for their settlement money back.

Ronnie on November 1, 2011 at 3:55 PM

But it means enough to you to say something about it. And not just a little something, but a lengthy comment. Riiiiiight….

gryphon202 on November 1, 2011 at 3:53 PM

But I never said I was a man of few words…. :))

stacman on November 1, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Do you suspect that Pepsico has released this pre-emptive attack on Coca Cola Cain? Those forces are always at war, and the Pepsi Army would fear a President with family ties to Robert W Woodruff.

That could also explains Punchy-chenko’s propaganda attacks on Cain.

Rally around Herman, all you Coke drinkers.

jimw on November 1, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Cain on FOX right now with CK and Brett and the all-stars…

lovingmyUSA on November 1, 2011 at 6:29 PM

Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

Yeah. This came a little quicker than I thought it would…

JohnGalt23 on November 1, 2011 at 6:57 PM

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