Cain denies sexual-harassment claims

posted at 8:45 am on October 31, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

There are many headlines that strike fear in the hearts of presidential campaigns — and this one from Politico is probably right near the worst of them.  Last night, they ran a story that the National Restaurant Association had to settle two sexual-harassment claims against Herman Cain when he chaired the trade group in the 1990s:

During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.

The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures.

Cain got challenged to respond to this earlier in the day, which led to an uncomfortable moment:

Cain said he has “had thousands of people working for me” at different businesses over the years and could not comment “until I see some facts or some concrete evidence.” His campaign staff was given the name of one woman who complained last week, and it was repeated to Cain on Sunday. He responded, “I am not going to comment on that.”

He was then asked, “Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman?”

He breathed audibly, glared at the reporter and stayed silent for several seconds. After the question was repeated three times, he responded by asking the reporter, “Have you ever been accused of sexual harassment?”

By late evening, the Cain campaign had a more polished response in denying that Cain had ever engaged in sexual harassment, without denying the existence of the settlements:

Fearing the message of Herman Cain who is shaking up the political landscape in Washington, Inside the Beltway media have begun to launch unsubstantiated personal attacks on Cain.

Dredging up thinly sourced allegations stemming from Mr. Cain’s tenure as the Chief Executive Officer at the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, political trade press are now casting aspersions on his character and spreading rumors that never stood up to the facts.

Since Washington establishment critics haven’t had much luck in attacking Mr. Cain’s ideas to fix a bad economy and create jobs, they are trying to attack him in any way they can.engag

Sadly, we’ve seen this movie played out before – a prominent Conservative targeted by liberals simply because they disagree with his politics.

Mr. Cain — and all Americans, deserve better.

I’m not sure that Politico’s story about the settlements are “thinly sourced”; they appear to have made contact with the women involved, and Cain’s team pointedly did not deny that the settlements occurred.  Politico also claimed to have seen the actual settlement documents and have a half-dozen sources for the story.  Otherwise, this is a best-defense-is-a-good-offense response, blaming the media for reporting the story.

If the settlements exist, and if they pertain to sexual harassment, then it’s certainly fair game for the media.  This would differ from the Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill allegations, as Hill never reported Thomas contemporaneous to the supposed harassment (and continued working for him after they supposedly occurred).  The two settlements would indicate that the women involved undertook action contemporaneous to the claims, which is more substantial than Hill’s behavior.  However, it’s not clear from the story whether the settlements themselves are settled legal complaints, or merely small golden parachutes that don’t make any reference to the reason for the departure of the two women.

Even if the settlements reference sexual-harassment complaints, it’s important to remember that settlements in and of themselves don’t necessarily mean guilt or innocence.  Anyone who has worked with high-ranking executives — especially those who have high public profiles — knows that they make pretty tasty targets for legal claims, whether warranted or not.  For most organizations, it’s easier and cheaper to settle harassment claims than to fight them.  The two women got five-figure settlements, which don’t seem particularly pricy, but that could also be deceptive — the women might not have had the resources to pursue the claims further than a smaller settlement, either.  Cain doesn’t appear to have been rushed out of his position at the NRA, and he has had a very long run of success as an executive with a number of companies, and so far there hasn’t been any other claims of impropriety.  That speaks in his favor, as long as that remains the case — and the Politico story indicates that may be the case:

Ron Magruder, Denise Marie Fugo and Joseph Fassler, the chair, vice chair and immediate past chairman of the National Restaurant Association board of directors at the time of Cain’s departure, said they hadn’t heard about any complaints regarding Cain making unwanted advances.

“I have never heard that. It would be news to me,” said Fugo, who runs a Cleveland, Ohio, catering company, adding such behavior would be totally out of character for the Cain she knew. “He’s very gracious.” …

Cain was “extremely professional” and “fair” to female staffers at the restaurant association, recalled Lee Ellen Hayes, who said she “worked fairly closely with” Cain in the late 1990s, when she was an executive at the National Restaurant Association Education Fund, a Chicago-based offshoot of the group.

Cain’s treatment of women was “the same as his treatment of men. Herman treated everyone great,” said Mary Ann Cricchio, who was elected to the board of the restaurant group in 1998. She said Cain left such a good impression on the organization that when he spoke at a group event in January of this year, as he was considering a presidential bid, “he had unanimous support in the room.”

Cain has certainly made his private-sector executive experience part of his resumé for President, including his leadership at the NRA.  If — and that’s a big if — Cain engaged in inappropriate conduct as an executive to the extent that it cost his employer cast to settle the issues, then that would speak to his judgment.  While no one should leap to the conclusion that Cain’s committed that kind of conduct, the existence of those settlements would require at least some explanation from Cain.

Update: We might need a little more explanation from Politico, too. Here’s Jonathan Martin on MSNBC, refusing to get specific about what exactly Cain said and did, out of sensitivity to the women involved, courtesy of Newsbusters:

WILLIE GEIST: Hey Jonathan, what are the allegations specifically as you understand them? There’s obviously a wide range in sexual harassment. What did he do?

JONATHAN MARTIN: We-, we-, well we have to be careful about that obviously, because we’re sensitive to –

GEIST: Of course –

MARTIN: — the sourcing involved here. And also, what also happened to these women as well–we want to be sensitive to that, too. It includes both verbal and physical gestures. These women felt uncomfortable, they were unhappy about their treatment, and they complained to both colleagues and senior officials. In one case it involved, I think, inviting a woman up to a hotel room of Cain’s on the road. Um, but, we-, we-, we’re just not going to get into the details of exactly what happened with these women beside what’s in the story.

Frankly, that’s not going to cut it. If the women have decided to start telling people about their claims, then they should identify themselves and tell the whole story. If it’s others who are talking about these claims and the women aren’t the sources for Politico, then that brings up a good question as to whether Politico has the details right in the first place. Either way, if Politico wants to run a piece accusing a presidential candidate of sexual harassment in his past, then its readers deserve all of the details so that they can make up their minds about whether the accusers and the accusations are credible.

Update II: Jazz Shaw has more thoughts, especially on the differences between this and the Anita Hill story.

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So these women signed “agreements” not to speak about it as part of their “settlements.”Seems they broke their contract.Wonder who “got” to them?

sandee on October 31, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Note that this was not released on Friday, where it could be used later for smears. It was released on Sunday, so it could develop legs right away.

Someone wanted Cain gone.

Kermit on October 31, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Here we go…

PatriotRider on October 31, 2011 at 8:54 AM

Politico is only pursuing this story because Cain is black.

Amazing how you can take liberal arguments, change a few words, and miraculously apply them to conservatives without missing a beat, though in this case it doesn’t work so well because Cain isn’t an authentic black man.

Bishop on October 31, 2011 at 8:54 AM

i wonder what bill clinton is thinking…

cmsinaz on October 31, 2011 at 8:57 AM

Maybe Herman was commenting about Bill Clinton and the meaning of a Lewinski!

tim c on October 31, 2011 at 8:57 AM

There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable

Clearly they watched the end of that latest Cain campaign ad.

Chuckles3 on October 31, 2011 at 8:58 AM

20 years ago ??
Back when feminists were insulted if a man opened a door for them ?
Good grief, get a grip.

pambi on October 31, 2011 at 8:58 AM

Headlines next three days:

Cain Switches Parties

Cain Hailed as Hero

Cain Accusers’ Klan Connections?

/I realize nothing’s been proved yet

mankai on October 31, 2011 at 8:59 AM

So, this alleged behavior occurred in the 1990′s. Isn’t that when President Clinton was actually schtupping the staff in the Oval Office and libs didn’t see anything wrong with it?

Trafalgar on October 31, 2011 at 8:59 AM

I see the Politico is picking up that play book from the Clarence Thomas hearings back in 89 or 90.
“You People @ the Politico” are just mentally bankrupt.

mmcnamer1 on October 31, 2011 at 8:59 AM

His whole problem here is that he wasn’t prepared this would come up.

How could he not understand this would be brought up.

He’s winging everything.

the_nile on October 31, 2011 at 8:59 AM

The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association.

That’s pretty vague. Not saying it didn’t happen, but did he make an obscene gesture? Did he just tell a bad joke or make a lewd remark? If it’s the latter, he’s no worse than Michael Scott on any given episode of The Office. No, I’m not condoning it, but I’m also suggesting this could be a couple of employees making a mountain out of a molehill(although they did profit from it if that’s the case).

In the end, for a guy who himself has said many times is not politically correct and that America needs to lighten up, maybe this(and the media overreaction to the “smoking” ad) backs up his statements.

Doughboy on October 31, 2011 at 8:59 AM

In on page 1 of 15

pseudonominus on October 31, 2011 at 9:00 AM

Hrmmmmmmm.

Abby Adams on October 31, 2011 at 9:00 AM

Let me tell you something …. corporate America is full of women looking to be offended by something. That’s true from the secretaries all the way up to middle management. Once they get past middle management, they are tougher than that.

DaydreamBeliever on October 31, 2011 at 9:02 AM

His whole problem here is that he wasn’t prepared this would come up.

How could he not understand this would be brought up.

He’s winging everything.

the_nile on October 31, 2011 at 8:59 AM

Well first of all, maybe he was prepared. He did say he was ready for a high-tech lynching ala Clarence Thomas. It doesn’t get any closer to the Thomas treatment than to be accused of sexual harassment.

Secondly, if he was unprepared for this, it could be because part of this alleged settlement is that no one was supposed to talk about it. Granted in this day and age just about everything eventually leaks to the press, but maybe Cain had a little too much faith in the other parties involved.

Doughboy on October 31, 2011 at 9:04 AM

When he rapes someone or bloodies their lip get back to me, then he could be a dem president.

darwin-t on October 31, 2011 at 9:04 AM

HELLO HIGH TECH LYNCHING.

This slave has to be made an example of in front of the others. You run away from the Democrat plantation you’re gonna get a beatin.

I don’t think he’s going to pass the presidential fortitude test. He didn’t pass it yesterday when Schieffer jumped all ugly on him over the freaking ad.

Bye Herman.

***p.s.
Is this why Palin decided not to get her “game on”?
Was she afraid of the attacks that would come her way?
Was she afraid of being “CAINED”?

PappyD61 on October 31, 2011 at 9:06 AM

Herman took on clinton and this was payback. Herman doesn’t use the F bomb but I suppose we could use it as sexual harassment against the libs.

tim c on October 31, 2011 at 9:06 AM

“Everybody lies about sex.”

Akzed on October 31, 2011 at 9:06 AM

HEY POLITICO…………two words for you!!!

VERA BAKER

investigate that!

PappyD61 on October 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM

WILLIE GEIST: Hey Jonathan, what are the allegations specifically as you understand them? There’s obviously a wide range in sexual harassment. What did he do?

JONATHAN MARTIN:

We-, we-, well we have to be careful about that obviously, because we’re sensitive to –

GEIST: Of course –

MARTIN: — the sourcing involved here.

Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2011/10/31/politicos-martin-dodges-question-cain-details#ixzz1cMdoJAny

Is our DOJ spending its efforts to unearth documents that damage the political competition and to drive the headlines away from the scandals of this administration re Gunwalker and green jobs’ payola?

Obama has a history of using/abusing court documents.

onlineanalyst on October 31, 2011 at 9:08 AM

I really do hope this is an instance of two chicks coordinating to shake a brother down and nothing more…and for Team Cain to get their act together. Let’s see exactly how ready they are to handle “high-tech lynching”.

RepubChica on October 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

$ending Mr. Cain som $$$ today..

kringeesmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Anyone who has worked with high-ranking executives — especially those who have high public profiles — knows that they make pretty tasty targets for legal claims, whether warranted or not. For most organizations, it’s easier and cheaper to settle harassment claims than to fight them.

This is unfortunately true and many times claims like this are settled without any serious hearing and without the accused having any input on the matter.

lexhamfox on October 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Something really went askew with my formatting. Go figure.

onlineanalyst on October 31, 2011 at 9:09 AM

I thought this kind of stuff was o.k. in the 90′s? It’s only sex, right?

dirtseller on October 31, 2011 at 9:10 AM

….sort of ruins that trademark grin of his though.

lexhamfox on October 31, 2011 at 9:10 AM

Most people won’t care if it isn’t true. It is the charge that matters.

That guys doesn’t like women does he? He is black and doesn’t he kinda look like Clarence Thomas? He doesn’t look safe like Biden told us.

tomas on October 31, 2011 at 9:11 AM

the_nile on October 31, 2011 at 8:59 AM

I’d read in a piece yesterday, that he’d told his crew that the only thing he thought might be a problem could be those false accusations / suits back then

pambi on October 31, 2011 at 9:12 AM

This story is so full of holes, and Jonathan Martin has a VERY VERY bad history of sliming conservatives with thinly sourced and outright made-up allegation.

I’m sorry, but you cannot run a story with that salacious headline and make all sorts of implications based on anonymous sources, then plead on TV that you can’t say any more because you have to protect your sources! This is sleazy journalism at is worst. Martin cannot be allowed to get away with this.

Also, everyone needs to remember that these alleged incidents occurred around the time Cain became a minor celebrity for challenging Bill Clinton at a public forum on Hillarycare. The Clinton machine at that time was just as ruthless as the Obama machine is now. It’s entirely possible that these women were Democrats and Clinton supporters and went after Herman Cain deliberately to discredit him. No surprise that they would manage to get their story out to a sleazebag like Jonathan Martin now.

The association world is close knit in DC. I worked for two major national associations during that time and I heard nothing about this. There are known sexual harrassers in some of these association staffs, and women staffers talked about them to each other all the time. I never heard a thing about Herman Cain.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:13 AM

rockmom: I think that you have the best take on this situation.

onlineanalyst on October 31, 2011 at 9:15 AM

He breathed audibly, glared at the reporter and stayed silent for several seconds. After the question was repeated three times, he responded by asking the reporter, “Have you ever been accused of sexual harassment?”

Of course the slimeball, so-called, journalist, who wrote the above couldn’t refrain from adding words to make it sound like the reporter caught Herman Cain dead to rights because he hesitated.

I’d like to think that after all the “gotcha” questions from our liberal attack dogs, Herman has learned to pause and give as thoughtful or brief answer as possible knowing that whatever else he says will be twisted and pillaried with innuendos.

iamsaved on October 31, 2011 at 9:16 AM

Secondly, if he was unprepared for this, it could be because part of this alleged settlement is that no one was supposed to talk about it. Granted in this day and age just about everything eventually leaks to the press, but maybe Cain had a little too much faith in the other parties involved.

Doughboy on October 31, 2011 at 9:04 AM

Exactly, he did what he was told to do at the time, which was to refer inquiries to the NRA legal counsel. All executives know to do this. He is caught in a Catch-22 now, he cannot deny the allegations outright since he probably signed papers acknowledging them in some fashion to get the women to go away. If he denies them, then Politico publishes the settlement agreements with Cain’s signature on them and he is toast.

Sleazy sleazy sleazy.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:17 AM

I’m sorry, but you cannot run a story with that salacious headline and make all sorts of implications based on anonymous sources, then plead on TV that you can’t say any more because you have to protect your sources! This is sleazy journalism at is worst. Martin cannot be allowed to get away with this.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:13 AM

I don’t think he will. I really think this is gonna backfire on the left. And yes, I’m well aware it just as easily could’ve been leaked by a Republican, but it’s the Democrats and media(I know, I’m being redundant) who’ll run with this.

Cain’s biggest strength is his likability. That and he seems like a straight shooter. As long as he handles this well, I honestly don’t think his poll numbers will suffer much if at all. And BTW, if it does turn out a rival campaign leaked this, they better be prepared for the sh-tstorm that’ll rain down on them.

Doughboy on October 31, 2011 at 9:20 AM

Doughboy on October 31, 2011 at 9:04 AM

if that was the response of a prepared man than he is in big trouble!!

chasdal on October 31, 2011 at 9:21 AM

Well first of all, maybe he was prepared. He did say he was ready for a high-tech lynching ala Clarence Thomas. It doesn’t get any closer to the Thomas treatment than to be accused of sexual harassment.

Secondly, if he was unprepared for this, it could be because part of this alleged settlement is that no one was supposed to talk about it. Granted in this day and age just about everything eventually leaks to the press, but maybe Cain had a little too much faith in the other parties involved.

Doughboy on October 31, 2011 at 9:04 AM

If last night was an example of their preparedness, I don’t think that speaks well of their campaign organization.

If they really believed this would stay quiet, then they are terminally naive.

powerpro on October 31, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Women: keeping Human Resources departments “busy” for decades.

If these women settled and are now talking in violation of that settlement, their names should be revealed, and the Cain campaign should be shouting their names from the rooftops.

SouthernGent on October 31, 2011 at 9:24 AM

I’d read in a piece yesterday, that he’d told his crew that the only thing he thought might be a problem could be those false accusations / suits back then

I sure hope that’s not the case, because if he said that, then he and his staff are idiots for not having a polished response sitting on deck for months now ready to go when–not if–this came up.

Look, I don’t ask for much. All I want is a GOP candidate who has both the ideological grounding and the political acumen to attack the Democrats. Why is every politician in this party either a squish or a moron?

Fabozz on October 31, 2011 at 9:24 AM

And anyway, BFD. There is NO allegation in the Politico article of sexual contact, or of Cain asking the women to have sex with him or punishing them for refusing him. I know “sexual harrassment” encompasses much more than that in a legal sense, but come on. An old school guy like Herman Cain probably calls ladies “sweetie pie” and “sugar” and puts his arm around them when he talks to them. He might have even made a few dumb boob jokes around some hypersensitive liberal women. That is enough to file a complaint and get an organization to pay you a lot of money. Martin’s original story says the women only complained that Cain’s actions “made them uncomfortable.”

I’ve heard so many off-color jokes, been taken to strip clubs by clients, had men I worked for and with comment on my appearance — I could be a rich woman right now if I had filed sexual harrassment complaints against all of them. I once worked for a guy who told another woman that she should stop trying to get ahead and stay home and make babies. I know what real sexual harrassment is, and this just doesn’t sound like it to me.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:25 AM

OK, at worst, supposedly, Cain invited a woman up to his hotel room.

Let’s say she went. If Cain would have slammed her down on a bed and raped her, that would have been OK. Hell, leftist women get off on that thought, as long as it’s a cute, white Democrat doing the raping.

Not a rape? OK, let’s just say Cain dropped trou and started jerking off, when the woman got to the hotel room. Cool! Leftist women dig that too, whether it’s Clinton’s “5 1/2″ or less with distinguishing characteristics” or a crazed sex poodle’s sprinkling of the second chakra.

But since it’s just an invite…supposedly…allegedly…that’s worse?

MNHawk on October 31, 2011 at 9:25 AM

if that was the response of a prepared man than he is in big trouble!!

chasdal on October 31, 2011 at 9:21 AM

No, a man in trouble would be someone who looks in the camera, points his finger, and proclaims “I did not sexually harass those women!” when in actuality he did.

As long as he’s honest and forthcoming, and provided the truth is no worse than what’s alleged in the Politico article, he can emerge from this unscathed.

Doughboy on October 31, 2011 at 9:25 AM

Can’t send him any more $$$, but sure sending up prayers !

pambi on October 31, 2011 at 9:25 AM

If the women talked to the media yet are barred from doing so by their settlements, that raises the inference that they were paid to talk, in other words that the media was tipped off and had cash inducements at the ready. Do web sites have money to burn on such stories? Or do other candidates come to mind?

Seth Halpern on October 31, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Brings a whole new meaning to “Raising Cain”

tomas on October 31, 2011 at 9:27 AM

This was settled in the Clinton administration. If the most powerful man on earth can use a lowly 21 year old intern fresh out of college as a sex object and that be swept under the rug and he emerges as a respected leader then what could any other mortal be chastised for?

Herb on October 31, 2011 at 9:28 AM

As serious as an issue like sexual harassment is, this is small fries compared to what will come in 2012. I think the media is starting to see the true cadidates come to light and they are just gearing up, or they are trying to run him out quick. It’s a shame they have to go with such unrepresented claims. Maybe Cain can master the media like a former hopeful.

RDE2010 on October 31, 2011 at 9:28 AM

Sealed or closed records? Give me a break. There is no such thing as sealed or “secret” records. Prime examples are Joe the Plumber’s records during the campaign and the classified documents Sandy Berger pilfered and put in his socks and underwear from a classified vault. – And the Restaurant Association’s personnel files are a fine example too.

The only records that are untouchable and not subject to release are Barack Obama’s unforged birth certificate and his college records. These are documents that normally all Americans have to show at various times in their life.

Think your medical records will be safe after dozens of medical receptionists, doctors, nurses, pharmacists and insurance company personnel get a gander at them? For a few bucks, they can be made available when the need arises. Don’t run for office especially if you’re a conservative or everyone will know your medical history down to every enema you’ve ever had.

iamsaved on October 31, 2011 at 9:30 AM

OK, at worst, supposedly, Cain invited a woman up to his hotel room.

Let’s say she went. If Cain would have slammed her down on a bed and raped her, that would have been OK. Hell, leftist women get off on that thought, as long as it’s a cute, white Democrat doing the raping.

Not a rape? OK, let’s just say Cain dropped trou and started jerking off, when the woman got to the hotel room. Cool! Leftist women dig that too, whether it’s Clinton’s “5 1/2″ or less with distinguishing characteristics” or a crazed sex poodle’s sprinkling of the second chakra.

But since it’s just an invite…supposedly…allegedly…that’s worse?

MNHawk on October 31, 2011 at 9:25 AM

I once worked for an association where it was known that male staffers were schtupping female association members in hotel rooms during conventions. I was invited up to many hotel rooms for a drink during meetings. Never thought it was potential rape or even a sexual advance. IT WAS A DRINK. Executives have big suites at these conventions and do a lot of business in them and have free bars in them. My guess is that the woman knew her case was weak and so added the “he invited me up to his room” allegation.

And let’s not forget that old liberal saw that white women are always seeing black men as potential rapists.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:31 AM

If the women talked to the media yet are barred from doing so by their settlements, that raises the inference that they were paid to talk, in other words that the media was tipped off and had cash inducements at the ready. Do web sites have money to burn on such stories? Or do other candidates come to mind?

Seth Halpern on October 31, 2011 at 9:26 AM

I guarantee you this is the work of another candidates team.

Elections are big business.

the_nile on October 31, 2011 at 9:32 AM

I’d read in a piece yesterday, that he’d told his crew that the only thing he thought might be a problem could be those false accusations / suits back then

pambi on October 31, 2011 at 9:12 AM

That would be good news.

Yes, harassment and discrimination cases were a dime a dozen in those days. If anyone was disgruntled over anything, they’d file a complaint that would string you and your company out for months, even years. I was threatened with one for giving a former secretary a less than flattering job recommendation.

I’m waiting to hear what Herman has to say about it this morning on FNC, but so far, I’m somewhat optimistic that this is much ado over very little.

petefrt on October 31, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Women: keeping Human Resources departments “busy” for decades.

If these women settled and are now talking in violation of that settlement, their names should be revealed, and the Cain campaign should be shouting their names from the rooftops.

SouthernGent on October 31, 2011 at 9:24 AM

The amount of the claim and the nature of the complaint would have been disclosed by Cain’s employer on a number of documents and disclosures to third parties which someone could have had access to. Cain’s campaign will have to be extremely careful about how this is handled or they will have a much bigger liability than his former employer.

lexhamfox on October 31, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Oookay

Ed jumps the shark – demanding that the women – who were victims – explain what happened to them to satisfy for goodness sakes Ed…

why oh why do we do this…

Apparently a powerful man, head of the company asked a low level employee to come to his hotel room –

great….

In one case it involved, I think, inviting a woman up to a hotel room of Cain’s on the road

Dear Ed,

According to Politico its quite possible that other people outed the women and they were contacted by the reporters – they face legal action and financial ruin if they violate their NDA’s and Cain is aware of this – we are watching a possible and totally horrible scenario where we might have a bully preying on young women maybe going on here and using his station and wealth to suppress the information and disgrace their credibility – (seems like this happened before)

So Ed, I would walk back demands that these women ruin their lives again to satisfy your curiousity which seems to be with them and not with the horribly disengenious way the Cain camp is handling this

EricPWJohnson on October 31, 2011 at 9:34 AM

I could be a rich woman right now if I had filed sexual harrassment complaints against all of them. I once worked for a guy who told another woman that she should stop trying to get ahead and stay home and make babies. I know what real sexual harrassment is, and this just doesn’t sound like it to me.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:25 AM

Amen. I worked as a speechwriter in the 90s and once had the CEO stand right in front of me and scratch his ba**s with vigor. I have hadmy waist fondled, my butt patted, have been pulled on to an exec’s lap, was pressured by my boss to go to dinner with out-of-town execs just so they would have company, and have been told countless lewd jokes.

I want to see these women.

DaydreamBeliever on October 31, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Is this why Palin decided not to get her “game on”?
Was she afraid of the attacks that would come her way?
Was she afraid of being “CAINED”?.PappyD61 on October 31, 2011 at 9:06 AM

Hell what Sarah went through makes it look like they admire Herman. They even went after Trig before he could talk or walk and then they got nasty. They didn’t have anything left to throw at her.

Herb on October 31, 2011 at 9:35 AM

Would that Cain and his team can actually be the ones to do this the right way, and expose the filth behind such a lynching !!! Bring it all out as baseless, prove that, etc.

pambi on October 31, 2011 at 9:35 AM

JourNoList Jonathan Martin, “punk”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2800223/posts

Viator on October 31, 2011 at 9:35 AM

It includes both verbal and physical gestures.

If true it is most likely that these women said something nasty and Cain flipped them the bird and told them to “F” off.

mechkiller_k on October 31, 2011 at 9:35 AM

If the women talked to the media yet are barred from doing so by their settlements, that raises the inference that they were paid to talk, in other words that the media was tipped off and had cash inducements at the ready. Do web sites have money to burn on such stories? Or do other candidates come to mind?

Seth Halpern on October 31, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Most likely one or both of the women are active Democrats and wanted to hurt Cain’s campaign. Or they blabbed to a friend who is an active Democrat. It could have been blabbed and re-blabbed until it became part of the DC rumor mill, and Martin just tracked it down. I would not assume that anyone paid for this.

It’s the perfect story to smear a man with, especially one who is running based on his credentials as a business executive. Like I said, Cain cannot respond because he signed papers either admitting to the allegations or at least acknowledging that they had merit. It doesn’t mean they did have merit, it just means that Cain felt it was the best course to sign the papers and move on.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:35 AM

So these women signed “agreements” not to speak about it as part of their “settlements.”Seems they broke their contract.Wonder who “got” to them?

sandee on October 31, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Andf again, how exactly do you know that it was the women involved who broke these agreeements? How do you know that someone didn’t leak the paperwork from NRA files?

JohnGalt23 on October 31, 2011 at 9:36 AM

And let’s not forget that old liberal saw that white women are always seeing black men as potential rapists.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:31 AM

That is exactly why the details are being withheld.

batterup on October 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM

and then there is this from the AP

Herman Cain gets tongue lashing from CBS for cigarette smoking in ad

tomas on October 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM

I could be a rich woman right now if I had filed sexual harrassment complaints against all of them. I once worked for a guy who told another woman that she should stop trying to get ahead and stay home and make babies. I know what real sexual harrassment is, and this just doesn’t sound like it to me.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:25 AM

A strategy worthy of the Clintons…

Preay tell, how long before you start accusing them of being trailer trash?

JohnGalt23 on October 31, 2011 at 9:38 AM

Is this why Palin decided not to get her “game on”?
Was she afraid of the attacks that would come her way?
Was she afraid of being “CAINED”?.PappyD61 on October 31, 2011 at 9:06 AM

Hell what Sarah went through makes it look like they admire Herman. They even went after Trig before he could talk or walk and then they got nasty. They didn’t have anything left to throw at her.

Herb on October 31, 2011 at 9:35 AM

Yes , this is a mild breeze compared to what Palin and her family has endured.

the_nile on October 31, 2011 at 9:38 AM

And BTW, if it does turn out a rival campaign leaked this, they better be prepared for the sh-tstorm that’ll rain down on them.

Doughboy on October 31, 2011 at 9:20 AM

Absolutely.

petefrt on October 31, 2011 at 9:39 AM

Apparently a powerful man, head of the company asked a low level employee to come to his hotel room –

See how easy it is to turn a charge of ‘feeling uncomfortable’ into an invitation to his room ?
WTF ???

pambi on October 31, 2011 at 9:39 AM

So Ed, I would walk back demands that these women ruin their lives again to satisfy your curiousity which seems to be with them and not with the horribly disengenious way the Cain camp is handling this

EricPWJohnson on October 31, 2011 at 9:34 AM

That right there bears repeating…

JohnGalt23 on October 31, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Shouldn’t the headline be…”New York Times, Washington Post Scooped by Online Political Blog Smearing Herman Cain: Allegations of Inappropriate Behavior/Alleged Sexual Harassment—Solyndra and Gun-running Scandals take a back seat”???

JONATHAN MARTIN: We-, we-, well we have to be careful about that obviously, because we’re sensitive to —

Mr. Martin and Politico had better have this story factually sourced, while there are “other sources” admitting that the behavior was “not overtly sexual.” Otherwise, these “sensitive allegations” might come back to bite them in the ass.

Rovin on October 31, 2011 at 9:41 AM

I wondered what they, the left, would do. Well they got away with trying to destroy Clarence Thomas in the same fashion…

Theworldisnotenough on October 31, 2011 at 9:41 AM

Of course he sexually harassed a women, he is a black conservative, we all know they are just animals and can’t control their instincts…what conservative black man has never been accused of this crime?

right2bright on October 31, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Amen. I worked as a speechwriter in the 90s and once had the CEO stand right in front of me and scratch his ba**s with vigor. I have hadmy waist fondled, my butt patted, have been pulled on to an exec’s lap, was pressured by my boss to go to dinner with out-of-town execs just so they would have company, and have been told countless lewd jokes.

I want to see these women.

DaydreamBeliever on October 31, 2011 at 9:34 AM

LOL. I was called by my CEO once to his room during a convention at 7:00 a.m. and he answered the door in his boxer shorts. He was just crass, as a lot of men were back then. In my very first job I was told by an executive (a high ranking Reagan administration appointee, no less) that I was not being promoted because I wasn’t lifting my skirts. I work in the banking industry, and I have seen so much bad behavior by men I can’t even remember it all. But I wouldn’t hold it against any of them if they ran for office. It’s just what the culture has been in business for a long time.

I have also encountered my share of women who really did sleep their way to the top. It goes both ways. It’s entirely possible that these women were trying to get sexual with Herman Cain to get ahead and he rejected them. Easiest thing in the world to then hold up the organization for money by crying sexual harrassment.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Jonathan Martin is one of the big 2 “founders” at Politico along with Roger Simon, who was out and about this weekend claiming “Rick Perry’s racism could actually work to his benefit being a Republican”.
They’re both slime and my only regret is Moaning Joe didn’t have on their bald bug eyed Mike Allen to stammer through the story.

Those Cainiacs ready to “burn the witch!” Perry based on their flimsy evidence of a single “tweet” about opposition research really should put out their torches and grow up. Welcome to Chinatown, Jake.

Marcus on October 31, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Yes , this is a mild breeze compared to what Palin and her family has endured.

the_nile on October 31, 2011 at 9:38 AM

If Cain responds will he accused of playing the victim card or of whining?

idesign on October 31, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Remember this?

“Drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park, and you never know what you’ll come up with.”

C.J. Carville (modified)

listens2glenn on October 31, 2011 at 9:43 AM

The public doesn’t instantly buy this stuff anymore. Clinton survived much worse, including multiple documented charges and even rape charges. Schwarzenneger survived serious harrassment charges out here during his first run for office. It has to be a lot worse than some statements a few women found “uncomfortable” and got bought off into silence over.

rrpjr on October 31, 2011 at 9:44 AM

pambi

Jazz Shaw at the Green Room, he writes:

But, to wrap this up, from what we’ve seen thus far I think Politico has the goods on this one and they’ve got more that they’re not letting out of the bag yet. (If they ever plan to do so at all.) There are too many people weighing in on the story for this to be complete fiction at this point, so Cain’s defenders should be cautious about trying to lay this entirely at the feet of the liberal media. The question at this point is whether this will merely be a thorn in Cain’s side or a gaping breach in the hull of his campaign’s ship. We should know soon enough… probably after a week or ten days gives the story enough time to soak in nationally and then get a few new rounds of polling completed

EricPWJohnson on October 31, 2011 at 9:44 AM

It includes both verbal and physical gestures. These women felt uncomfortable, they were unhappy about their treatment

He flipped someone off, and told another to go F*** themselves, not much more than that.

Much ado about nothing, but will be the story of the week (or next 3 days) anyway.

If this is their big oppo-research drop on Cain, and they felt they needed to use it before Iowa. That tells me the left is terrified of Cain.

Jason Coleman on October 31, 2011 at 9:45 AM

A strategy worthy of the Clintons…

Preay tell, how long before you start accusing them of being trailer trash?

JohnGalt23 on October 31, 2011 at 9:38 AM

LOL. Show me evidence that Herman Cain had or tried to have sex with a female staffer and I’ll shut up.

This is thin gruel and you know it is. I’m not a Cain supporter right now but I think this stinks.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:46 AM

EricPWJohnson on October 31, 2011 at 9:34 AM

So says a piece of garbage that once excused serial molestation, credible rape accusations, and third degree murder/manslaughter in his Democrat office holders.

It takes trash to represent trash, doesn’t it Eric?

MNHawk on October 31, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Rovin

I agree – if Politico made this up, stretched this out of context – they should be gone FOREVER – absolutely

EricPWJohnson on October 31, 2011 at 9:47 AM

I would not be surprised if these allegations come from the part of the press that want to resuscitate Rick Perry dying campaign.

Falz on October 31, 2011 at 9:47 AM

If Cain responds will he accused of playing the victim card or of whining?

idesign on October 31, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Thin skinned , vindictive and ..

the_nile on October 31, 2011 at 9:49 AM

How could Cain be unprepared for this accusation?

We know that any conservative has to go through this gauntlet.

mockmook on October 31, 2011 at 9:49 AM

“Drag a hundred dollar bill through an Ivy League Womyn’s Studies program, and you never know what you’ll come up with.”

Fixed

MNHawk on October 31, 2011 at 9:49 AM

He flipped someone off, and told another to go F*** themselves, not much more than that.

Jason Coleman on October 31, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Are you guessing, or is this information you’re privy to?

KingGold on October 31, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Rovin

I agree – if Politico made this up, stretched this out of context – they should be gone FOREVER – absolutely

EricPWJohnson on October 31, 2011 at 9:47 AM

If Politico made this up, stretched this out of context — we will NEVER know. It just won’t get reported on. Cause that’s the way the LSM rolls. Politico will survive. But the biggest stick-in-the-eye they’ll get is for Cain to survive, as well. Post-Clinton, these charges just don’t seem as serious as they would have before.

gryphon202 on October 31, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Brings a whole new meaning to “Raising Cain”

tomas on October 31, 2011 at 9:27 AM

OK, that made me smile a bit. : )

listens2glenn on October 31, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Rovin

I agree – if Politico made this up, stretched this out of context – they should be gone FOREVER – absolutely

EricPWJohnson on October 31, 2011 at 9:47 AM

They knew exactly what they were doing. According to Martin they have seen the papers. The implication is that they can publish them if they want to. That adds to the implication that whatever is in them is bad, even if it isn’t. They run a salacious headline and trump up the allegations in the article, knowing that Cain cannot respond without violating the agreement that he signed, and knowing that he cannot outright deny the allegations because he signed papers acknowledging them. When Cain defers to the NRA legal counsel he looks like he is being evasive.

It is a no-win situation for Cain, and Martin knows it. That is why this is such a sleazy thing to do.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Amen. I worked as a speechwriter in the 90s and once had the CEO stand right in front of me and scratch his ba**s with vigor. I have hadmy waist fondled, my butt patted, have been pulled on to an exec’s lap, was pressured by my boss to go to dinner with out-of-town execs just so they would have company, and have been told countless lewd jokes.

I want to see these women.

DaydreamBeliever on October 31, 2011 at 9:34 AM

I think you should have reported that. And if you still can, do so.

milemarker2020 on October 31, 2011 at 9:52 AM

All I remember is how these same people trashed Sarah and never vetted obama..so F’em.

tinkerthinker on October 31, 2011 at 9:52 AM

Update II: Jazz Shaw has more thoughts, especially on the differences between this and the Anita Hill story.

I’ll tell you what the difference is between this and the Anita Hill story. This time, certain GOP camps stand to gain by knifing Cain in the back, especially by fervently denying that this has any similarity with the Clarence Thomas playbook.

KingGold on October 31, 2011 at 9:52 AM

Easiest thing in the world to then hold up the organization for money by crying sexual harrassment.

rockmom on October 31, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Except in Herman’s case, it appears they did file suit. And, again in Herman’s case, it appears that they were paid money for their pain and suffering (sorry… lawyer joke there).

Which tells me that there was at least the appearance of something there.

You want to be POTUS, Herm… take a page from the last GOP POTUS’ campaign book. Remember the drunk-driving accusation? It took W less time than this to come out, and come clean.

Herman… come out and come clean.

JohnGalt23 on October 31, 2011 at 9:52 AM

If this is their big oppo-research drop on Cain, and they felt they needed to use it before Iowa. That tells me the left is terrified of Cain.

Jason Coleman on October 31, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Better to see Herb’s seedy warts now than wait later and suffer through buyer’s remorse.

Punchenko on October 31, 2011 at 9:52 AM

This is the problem with settling something to get it out of the way…the defense was probably greater than the “pay out”, not unusual for decades ago for this to be a hot item for attorneys.
Many executives were targeted, and out of that came new rules, no executive could be in a closed door meeting with women, no “calendars” in the work shop, no comment like “you look great in that dress”, no comment from a superior male like “your dress is to revealing for the office”, and all the other PC sexual harassment junk that went on.
It was in the news and whole industries sprung up about how to talk to women in the work place.
And add to that, any settlement of this kind comes with the contract, that the parties will not disclose or discuss the settlement…
Every women, every single woman I have ever worked with, has claimed sexual harassment, it is their “race card”…and it diminishes real claims, just like the race card.

right2bright on October 31, 2011 at 9:52 AM

I would not be surprised if these allegations come from the part of the press that want to resuscitate Rick Perry dying campaign.

Falz on October 31, 2011 at 9:47 AM

After Cain jumping ugly on the n*ggerhead stone, I’d say fair food fight. Probably Perrys team giving this to media.

the_nile on October 31, 2011 at 9:54 AM

Are you guessing, or is this information you’re privy to?

KingGold on October 31, 2011 at 9:49 AM

It’s the first thing I guessed when I read something along the lines of gestures that were non sexual but could be possible construed as sexual.

MNHawk on October 31, 2011 at 9:54 AM

Sniff. Sniff.

Allegations from a bunch of crooked racists.

Don’t touch it kids. It’s decaying and putrid.

perries on October 31, 2011 at 9:54 AM

From the politico article:

In a series of comments over the past 10 days, Cain and his campaign repeatedly declined to respond directly about whether he ever faced allegations of sexual harassment at the restaurant association.

They’ve been banging away at Cain for over 10 days on this, and all they can put out there is an allegation that there is a accusation. No statement of actual inappropriate conduct, zero supporting witnesses or documents, no named sources, not one shred of anything there than an allegation that there is an accusation.

Weak.

They’ll have to do better than this if they expect more than a 2% short term dip in the polls.

Jason Coleman on October 31, 2011 at 9:54 AM

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