Open thread: Game Seven

posted at 7:25 pm on October 28, 2011 by Allahpundit

8:05 p.m. ET on Fox. Our baseball-loving readers decided to “occupy” the Quote of the Day thread last night and hold a running commentary on Game Six, so rather than repeat that, here’s your own little Zuccotti Park for the big one. We haven’t seen a Game Seven in the World Series since 2002, the longest drought in winner-take-all contests since the period between 1912 and 1924. Only once since 2003 have we even seen a Game Six, in fact. After last night’s nuclear exchange, tonight’s game is basically just a psychological experiment to see how humans cope with extreme trauma. Do the Rangers end up in the fetal position like St. Louis in 1985 or, a la the ’75 Big Red Machine, rally after one of the most crushing losses of all time? Only one thing is certain, my friends: Using Derek Holland, who owned the Cards in Game Four, for two innings yesterday instead of saving him for today was … not so smart.

Question for baseball history buffs: Apart from the Red Sox in 1986, has any team come within one strike, or even one out, of winning the Series and then gone on to lose? A few teams have come within two outs — the Giants in 1912, the Indians in 1997, the Yankees in 2001 — but unless I’m blanking on something big, no one except Boston has reached the point of being one batter away and then collapsed. (Had Willie McCovey’s line drive gone over Bobby Richardson’s head in 1962, the Yankees would have qualified.) If the Rangers lose tonight they’ll be the second team to have done it, and unlike the Sox, they were one strike away in two separate innings. For that reason alone, I’m debating whether this would be the most heartbreaking loss in Series history. I think ’86 is marginally worse because of the way it went down, with horrible errors amid the pressure of ending “the curse.” That was a true collapse; Texas simply got beat by a team that was preternaturally clutch. But even so: One strike away — twice.

Prediction: The Rangers take an 11-0 lead into the bottom of the ninth before losing a heartbreaker, 12-11.

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Did I miss anything?

Del Dolemonte on October 28, 2011 at 10:58 PM

Is that what it is…?

… I was wondering, “What the heck is that beeping?”

Seven Percent Solution on October 28, 2011 at 10:52 PM

FOX does it on their NFL broadcasts too.

I think their graphics are gaudy and intrusive enough without them yapping at the audience.

fiatboomer on October 28, 2011 at 10:58 PM

On the other hand, he sure took out Ray Fossi when it didn’t count for much.

GaltBlvnAtty on October 28, 2011 at 10:55 PM

I always hated him for that. Absolutely unnecessary,…essentially ruined a man’s career.

a capella on October 28, 2011 at 10:59 PM

Here’s a fun fact:

If the World Series advances to a Game 7, 23-year veteran Jerry Layne will be the plate umpire again. Layne also had the plate for the Series opener, which St. Louis won at 3-2.

In the last five years, including the Series opener, St. Louis is 8-1 with a 2.00 ERA when Layne works the plate. In the same span, the Rangers are 1-6 with a 5.40 ERA.

So with this umpire, the Cardinals almost always win whereas the Rangers almost always lose.

amerpundit on October 28, 2011 at 11:00 PM

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_8_64/ai_n15343188/

Well, that did not take long. Boone remembers it differently.

GaltBlvnAtty on October 28, 2011 at 11:00 PM

Funny how everyone forgets Stanley’s wild pitch just moments earier that tied that game.

Believe me, I haven’t forgotten. But in fairness, that should have been called a passed ball.

Allahpundit on October 28, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Agreed. Many Red Sox fans renamed the catcher Dick Gedman after that.

Del Dolemonte on October 28, 2011 at 11:02 PM

With this ump behind the plate,
Cards = 8-1
Rangers = 1-6

Weird, is all.
Hmmmm.

pambi on October 28, 2011 at 11:02 PM

No Yankees and no Phillys……I’m still in heaven.

(signed, SF Giants fan)

Rovin on October 28, 2011 at 11:03 PM

Not over yet. If the Rangers can wiggle out of this inning with no more runs scored, they’ll need 4 to tie and 6 outs to make it happen.

a capella on October 28, 2011 at 10:56 PM

Unfortunately I’m one of those glass is half empty types and adhere to the little known psalm: Blessed are those who expect nothing for they shall not be disappointed. (A good one to follow under the Obama regime).

TxAnn56 on October 28, 2011 at 11:03 PM

cheering for the Cardinals when you’re a Cub fan is akin to cheering for Satan.
*pout*

annoyinglittletwerp on October 28, 2011 at 10:54 PM

Satan owns the Cubs.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:04 PM

The Rangers are sure sucking it up. Are they known for last-minute comebacks?

fiatboomer on October 28, 2011 at 11:04 PM

amerpundit on October 28, 2011 at 11:00 PM

You beat me .. I’d merely typed as hubby told me.
Yeah, pretty crazy.
Feel bad for our bullpen.
What more can they DO ??

Nothing at all against the Cards, honest, they’re awesome !!
Just feeling a bit disadvantaged.

pambi on October 28, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Beltre strikes out after a weak grounder from Hamilton. The big guns are going down.

a capella on October 28, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Disappointed in Texas…. are they just gonna FOLD???

golfmann on October 28, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Satan owns the Cubs.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:04 PM

Satan managed the Cubs…and the Ricketts fired Hendry.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 28, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Cards closer has had some weak moments in this series.

a capella on October 28, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Satan owns the Cubs.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:04 PM

Nah, the goat does.

Knucklehead on October 28, 2011 at 11:08 PM

I can outrun any of the Molinas and I am a fat old lady!

InTheBellyoftheBeast on October 28, 2011 at 10:53 PM

Can you throw a runner out from your knees?

darwin-t on October 28, 2011 at 11:08 PM

TxAnn56 on October 28, 2011 at 10:57 PM

I lived in St. L in 2006.
I mind-a lot.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 28, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Rovin on October 28, 2011 at 11:03 PM

LoL!..:)

Dire Straits on October 28, 2011 at 11:09 PM

The Cubs will win the WS next year and Obama will lose in a landslide. How’s that for two curses ending?

Rovin on October 28, 2011 at 11:10 PM

What an exciting game!

DarkCurrent on October 28, 2011 at 11:10 PM

cheering for the Cardinals when you’re a Cub fan is akin to cheering for Satan.

*pout*

annoyinglittletwerp on October 28, 2011 at 10:54 PM

Satan owns the Cubs.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:04 PM

Watch out for the Cubbies, they just got Theo Epstein.

Check his recent resume, which includes two Wprld Series titles in 3 years after an 86 year drought.

Del Dolemonte on October 28, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Watch out for the Cubbies, they just got Theo Epstein.

Check his recent resume, which includes two Wprld Series titles in 3 years after an 86 year drought.

Del Dolemonte on October 28, 2011 at 11:10 PM

First thing he has to do is figure out what to do with Zumbrano’s contract. Still a lot of money on that thing.

a capella on October 28, 2011 at 11:14 PM

a capella on October 28, 2011 at 11:14 PM

They need to get rid of that over-paid drama queen.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 28, 2011 at 11:15 PM

The Cubs will win the WS next year and Obama will lose in a landslide. How’s that for two curses ending?

Rovin on October 28, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Watch out for the Cubbies, they just got Theo Epstein.

Check his recent resume, which includes two Wprld Series titles in 3 years after an 86 year drought.

Del Dolemonte on October 28, 2011 at 11:10 PM

The Cubs will never win a World Series. They’ve taken down better men than Epstein.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:16 PM

First thing he has to do is figure out what to do with Zumbrano’s contract. Still a lot of money on that thing.

a capella on October 28, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Buy him out and get rid of him.

Knucklehead on October 28, 2011 at 11:19 PM

Thinkin we might meet the boys @ the airport when they get back.
What an amazing year !!!

pambi on October 28, 2011 at 11:20 PM

This is why I am not a baseball fan. Too much is in the hands of the umpire.

I don’t know how a challenge and review system would work in baseball though.

Crux Australis on October 28, 2011 at 10:58 PM

The Little League World Series introduced it this year, and it worked flawlessly. Delayed each game by about 2 minutes at most, and most of the calls made were confirmed by the tape, but it made the whole thing seem better when some of the questionable calls were overturned. MLB could do this in a heartbeat, but the umps, as were the refs in football years ago, are fighting it, afraid to be seen as f-ups, and totally misunderstanding that the rest of us know full they can’t get all the calls right, all the time.

The MLB needs to understand that if they wish to sustain, not to mention expand, the fan base, they better go tech on this. Even get-off-my-yard bastards like me understand how to hit the “replay” and “slo-mo” buttons. And, more important, want to get things right, even if it means my team loses.

TXUS on October 28, 2011 at 11:20 PM

This series makes me happy for America.

GaltBlvnAtty on October 28, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Go Padres…!!!

… Oh, wait!

/

Seven Percent Solution on October 28, 2011 at 11:22 PM

The fat lady sings!

davidk on October 28, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Cards Win!

d1carter on October 28, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Finished

mythicknight on October 28, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Yay, put it on the board!

Knucklehead on October 28, 2011 at 11:22 PM

I’ve got a Cardinal cap that prclaims them 10 time World Series Champions and has the date going around the bill of the cap. Looks like that may be out of date now. I hope.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Well, I was hoping to see a better game than that. Congrats, Cardinals fans.

fiatboomer on October 28, 2011 at 11:23 PM

Cards won it!!..It was a great WS..Congrats to both teams..:)

Dire Straits on October 28, 2011 at 11:23 PM

Congrats Cardinals. My heart is broken for the Rangers.

parteagirl on October 28, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Yeah!

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Seven Percent Solution on October 28, 2011 at 11:22 PM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on October 28, 2011 at 11:24 PM

I’ve got a Cardinal cap that prclaims them 10 time World Series Champions and has the date going around the bill of the cap. Looks like that may be out of date now. I hope.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:22 PM

They just showed a sign in the stands that read, “With all these rings, we’re going to need more fingers.”

davidk on October 28, 2011 at 11:24 PM

A great World Series for a great country.

God Bless America!

Knucklehead on October 28, 2011 at 11:24 PM

I really thought it would be closer…

St. Louis had some GREAT pitching.

11 times world champions.

golfmann on October 28, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Well hell. I was hoping the Rangers would get their act together. Guess not.

Congratulations to the Cards!!! Game well played.

capejasmine on October 28, 2011 at 11:25 PM

Thanks for a good Series Texas. Class act.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:25 PM

This series makes me happy for America.

GaltBlvnAtty on October 28, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Yup. Remember when Cal Ripken set his record and did the trot around the park in celebration,..it was right after some national trauma,..9-11, maybe? It was like cleansing a wound.

a capella on October 28, 2011 at 11:26 PM

Cards Win!

d1carter on October 28, 2011 at 11:22 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Congrats to The Riot on getting his ring.
Congrats to Berkmann.
Astros and Cubbie fans can comfort each other.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 28, 2011 at 11:27 PM

Yeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!

rukiddingme on October 28, 2011 at 11:27 PM

PHUC!

44Magnum on October 28, 2011 at 11:28 PM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on October 28, 2011 at 11:24 PM

:)

Good game, and Congratulations to all…

Seven Percent Solution on October 28, 2011 at 11:30 PM

Congrats, Cards.
Thoroughly amazing series, all around.

pambi on October 28, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Remember, pitchers and catchers report in Feb for spring training,..a long dry spell till then.

a capella on October 28, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Only bad thing about this night is my ex was at the ballpark and I wasn’t.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:31 PM

A great World Series for a great country.

God Bless America!

Knucklehead on October 28, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Hear!..Hear!..:)

Dire Straits on October 28, 2011 at 11:32 PM

Game 5 was a microcosm of their entire season. Carp goes deep, with no run support and poor defense. He basically willed them into the post-season. Ten and a half back in September, shuts out Astros in final game to send WildCards to NLDS. EPIC 1-0 shutout in Game 5 against his buddy Halladay and the best regular season record, sending his team to NLCS. Goes Beast Mode against Morgan and Brew Crew.
Dives right in first in WS Game 1. Goes deep again in Game 5, but again no run support.

God will delay Game 6, which the Cardinals will win for Carp, and on full rest he will rise once more, go crazy, throw a complete game shutout in Game 7, and lead the Redbirds on another Happy Flight!

What a crazy, beautiful season. Eleven in ’11!

And he still won’t make the HOF.

Christien on October 25, 2011 at 2:58 PM

^You were close.

He was on short rest, started shaky to lose the shutout, but managed to buckle down and pitched well.

From 10.5 back to win the 11th in 2011.

Amazing.

rukiddingme on October 28, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Only bad thing about this night is my ex was at the ballpark and I wasn’t.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Oh man, that’s cold. I’ll treat you to a game next year.

Knucklehead on October 28, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Only bad thing about this night is my ex was at the ballpark and I wasn’t.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:31 PM

That blows!..:(

Dire Straits on October 28, 2011 at 11:36 PM

Way to go Lance.

rihar on October 28, 2011 at 11:37 PM

Remember, pitchers and catchers report in Feb for spring training,..a long dry spell till then.

a capella on October 28, 2011 at 11:31 PM

As long as the Astros stay in the National League I’ll be happy.

rihar on October 28, 2011 at 11:38 PM

When that Cardinal pitcher earlier in the series wrote the name of his son that died in the dirt on the mound and dedicated this series to him, right then I thought, the Cards were gonna win. Then again maybe I’m just making excuses. Congrats Cards. Still love ya Rangers!

txmomof6 on October 28, 2011 at 11:39 PM

Well done Cards, well done.

TxAnn56 on October 28, 2011 at 11:39 PM

They just showed a sign in the stands that read, “With all these rings, we’re going to need more fingers.”

davidk on October 28, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Cardinals need to win the WS sixteen more times to catch the Yankees.

Yup. Remember when Cal Ripken set his record and did the trot around the park in celebration,..it was right after some national trauma,..9-11, maybe? It was like cleansing a wound.

a capella on October 28, 2011 at 11:26 PM

Ripken broke Gehrig’s consecutive game streak in 1995.

RedRobin145 on October 28, 2011 at 11:39 PM

As long as the Astros stay in the National League I’ll be happy.

rihar on October 28, 2011 at 11:38 PM

They’re my second favorite team. I don’t normally support AL teams-so I hope they’ll stay put.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 28, 2011 at 11:40 PM

RedRobin145 on October 28, 2011 at 11:39 PM

Why’d you have to bring up the Spankees?
(Skankees?)

annoyinglittletwerp on October 28, 2011 at 11:41 PM

Oh man, that’s cold. I’ll treat you to a game next year.

Knucklehead on October 28, 2011 at 11:34 PM

You’re on! I’m watching the interviews with the players and the fans are all still around. This town loves it’s Cardinals. I know it’s just a game but everyone just feels better.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:43 PM

MVP is Freese, the new Mr October. And a good guy, too.

TXUS on October 28, 2011 at 11:43 PM

World Series more: Cardinals’ 6-2 victory over Rangers gives them 2nd championship in 5 years
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canopfor on October 28, 2011 at 11:44 PM

Selig is such a puke. He’s the Commisioner of Baseball but he needs prepared speeches to give out the trophies for the WS.
He turns my stomach

darwin-t on October 28, 2011 at 11:45 PM

David Freese, hometown boy, MVP!

Knucklehead on October 28, 2011 at 11:45 PM

Congrats,to the Cards,
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Queen – ‘We Are The Champions’
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY&ob=av2e

canopfor on October 28, 2011 at 11:49 PM

darwin-t on October 28, 2011 at 11:45 PM

At least he is not using a teleprompter..:)

Dire Straits on October 28, 2011 at 11:51 PM

Only bad thing about this night is my ex was at the ballpark and I wasn’t.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:31 PM

At least you weren’t in the same building with the b1tch.

darwin-t on October 28, 2011 at 11:51 PM

canopfor on October 28, 2011 at 11:49 PM

If you’re a Cubs fan… This song seems more appropriate. *sigh*

annoyinglittletwerp on October 28, 2011 at 11:52 PM

Why’d you have to bring up the Spankees?
(Skankees?)

annoyinglittletwerp on October 28, 2011 at 11:41 PM

The Yankees are my favorite Pro Sports team.

RedRobin145 on October 28, 2011 at 11:54 PM

canopfor on October 28, 2011 at 11:49 PM

If you’re a Cubs fan… This song seems more appropriate. *sigh*

annoyinglittletwerp on October 28, 2011 at 11:52 PM

annoyinglittletwerp:Could be,while I appreciate baseball,I rarely
watch,however,my grandfather always had the
radio,going,at camp,tuned to a baseball game,
in the summer/fall!:)

canopfor on October 29, 2011 at 12:01 AM

The Yankees are my favorite Pro Sports team.

RedRobin145 on October 28, 2011 at 11:54 PM

I think there’s a medication to treat that…

Whoo! Congrats, Cards!

No city appreciates their team more than St. Louis. And the fans are so much more polite than they are on the coasts. I’m so happy for all St. Louisans.

Inkblots on October 29, 2011 at 12:02 AM

Inkblots on October 29, 2011 at 12:02 AM

When my Cubbies FINALLY go all the way-well the world has yet to experience the party that will be.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 29, 2011 at 12:09 AM

Good for the Cards. But what America saw tonight and in this World Series was a clash between two class act teams — no trash talkers, no high paid I-Me-Mines, no complainers, no whiners. This year, two teams from the heartland just did their business, did their best, and one team one over the other. Sorry that the libs didn’t have a team to root for this time around, but you got your OWS tents to go home to tonight, along with your lonely …

TXUS on October 29, 2011 at 12:09 AM

Good game, Rangers. You’ll be back, and when you win it, I’ll be right there cheering for all y’all.

Congrats, Cards. Happy Flight–into the off-season! Thanks for a crazy, beautiful season, and a spectacular run in which you never gave up.

Christien on October 29, 2011 at 12:17 AM

My collie says:

From now on, everyone should use my new three letter designator for the Texas Rangers, CC.

What would that be, collie?

My collie says:

B.B.B.

What does B.B.B. stand for?

My collie says:

Buffalo Bills of Baseball

Oof. Collie, you are SO mean.

My collie says:

It can’t be helped. I’m a genuine S.O.B. ya’ know.

CyberCipher on October 29, 2011 at 12:46 AM

I’m a life long Cards fan. Bred, born and raised in St. Louis. Always been proud of my midwest heritage. The Brewers were great, as well as the Rangers. My condolences and congratulations to both teams and their fans. The series could have gone either way in both series. The Brewers and Rangers will be back. So will the Cards.

Star20 on October 29, 2011 at 12:50 AM

What a year! First my Packers, now my Cardinals.

(But my heart goes out to Nolan Ryan. Loved watching him play in his day.)

NebCon on October 29, 2011 at 1:43 AM

I didnt realize they still played baseball :)

Wolftech on October 29, 2011 at 1:45 AM

This game, this series, and especially Game 6 were a fitting tribute from a great baseball city to the home of Lou Brock and Bob Gibson — the likes of which we will never see again. Those two were pioneers of their time, and their Card’s ’68 Series with the Tigers was epic, as was this incredible set of games.

St. Louis isn’t my favorite team, but I never pull against them until they play my Orioles. (The Braves are a close third, as I saw Hank Aaron hit #714 on his path toward the record, and for many other reasons such as Bobby Cox.)

Baseball is still America’s pastime, despite the rise of the NFL, NASCAR, and Lindsay Lohan.

hillbillyjim on October 29, 2011 at 3:21 AM

Baseball is still America’s pastime, despite the rise of the NFL, NASCAR, and Lindsay Lohan.

Maybe if it was still 1949.

Fortunately, the forward pass and Norm Van Brocklin saved us all from years of tedium.

Seriously, it was a good series and one of the better post seasons for baseball in recent memory. Congratulations to the Cards.

Captain Kirock on October 29, 2011 at 5:19 AM

It looks like Mr. Freese will never, ever lack for free booze or loose women in Saint Louis!

Great job, Cards!

NavyMustang on October 29, 2011 at 5:34 AM

Up in Heaven, Jack Buck is smiling. Congratulations, Cards!

kingsjester on October 29, 2011 at 7:27 AM

86 was worse because it was more a result of poor play; pass ball by Gedman, ball through Buckner’s legs, etc. The Rangers’ loss was not due to a melt down, but rather, it was the result of clutch hitting by the Cards…It is more heartbreaking when the loss is self-inflicted…plus, the Red Sox had a long history of near misses and historic collapses (1946, 1949, 1967, 1975, 1978!, and then 1986).

RedSoxNation on October 29, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Del Dolemonte on October 28, 2011 at 11:10 PM

The Cubs will never win a World Series. They’ve taken down better men than Epstein.

Vince on October 28, 2011 at 11:16 PM

Hey, Theo did what Lou Gorman couldn’t do, and Dan Duquette couldn’t do, and what even Joe Cronin couldn’t do, namely bring Boston its first World Series title in almost a century.

Be patient.

Del Dolemonte on October 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM

FREEEESSEE!

Amazing recap, wish I watched the whole game but I was confident that they’d win. GO CARDS!

ProudPalinFan on October 29, 2011 at 9:46 AM

(But my heart goes out to Nolan Ryan. Loved watching him play in his day.)

NebCon on October 29, 2011 at 1:43 AM

I was fortunate enough to watch him pitch a game against Kansas City in the twilight of his career. He was still bringing it and had that little mean streak all top pitchers have. Look up intimidation in the dictionary and his picture is alongside it. I never saw Bob Gibson throw except on TV, but I imagine those two were soulmates, along with Don Drysdale and Early Wynn.

a capella on October 29, 2011 at 10:43 AM

I think that it is some sort of latent homosexual message for these teams to name themselves after birds.

Flying in colorful attire and making dramatic entrances, hopping around, pecking, worms in their mouths, it all adds up.

IlikedAUH2O on October 29, 2011 at 12:02 PM

IlikedAUH2O on October 29, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Well, they were called the Brown Stockings originally. That was shortened to Browns.

As for the Cardinals name, a local sports writer gave them the name, but the original origin has to do with the traditional vestments of the Cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church.

Del Dolemonte on October 29, 2011 at 1:20 PM

At 3:20 this morning I was headed up 360 for work. Two buses carrying the good fellas were coming down 360 from DFW, along with their six PD car escprt. Sad sight, that…dead of the night.
I still tip my hat to em’. Helluva series.

Limerick on October 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM

In the immortal words of one Maxwell Smart…. “Missed it by.. that much”. One strike away, 2 times.

I still love my Rangers.

Congrats St.Louis. Hell of a Series.

44Magnum on October 30, 2011 at 10:26 AM

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