GDP bounces back to 2.5%

posted at 9:25 am on October 27, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

The Obama administration could use a little good news, even if it’s tempered by low expectations.  It got exactly that this morning from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, with its advance estimate of third-quarter growth.  The rate increased to 2.5%, up from Q2′s final 1.3%:

Real gross domestic product — the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States — increased at an annual rate of 2.5 percent in the third quarter of 2011, (that is, from the second quarter to the third quarter), according to the “advance” estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis.  In the second quarter, real GDP increased 1.3 percent.

The Bureau emphasized that the third-quarter advance estimate released today is based on source data that are incomplete or subject to further revision by the source agency (see the box on page 3).  The “second” estimate for the third quarter, based on more complete data, will be released on November 22, 2011.

The increase in real GDP in the third quarter primarily reflected positive contributions from personal consumption expenditures (PCE), nonresidential fixed investment, exports, and federal government spending that were partly offset by negative contributions from private inventory investment and state and local government spending.  Imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP, increased.

This may actually understate the improvement in growth from Q2.  Inventory adjustments worked against the growth number in Q3, as real final sales of domestic product actually increased at a 3.6% annualized rate.  That’s good news for later quarters; as businesses burn through their accumulated inventories, we can expect orders for goods to increase and manufacturing to benefit.

Any improvement is good news.  This is rather mild improvement, considering the depth of the recession and the stagnation of the so-called “recovery” the past two years.  We should be seeing a much more robust growth by this time, and 2.5% isn’t even a decent maintenance level for a healthy economy, which would be in the 3% range.  It will take a lot more growth than this to generate jobs in a quantity that will reduce chronic unemployment, and that higher growth will have to sustain itself for a couple of years to ensure success.

Speaking of jobs, weekly initial claims came it an 402,000, almost unchanged from last week’s 404,000.  That gives no indication of significant growth or decline, but it keeps the claims figure at the 400-420K level it has inhabited since early in Q2.

Reuters offers a sunny take on the numbers, although its report also notes that some temporary conditions account for it.  Those factors were a rapid escalation of gas prices and the impact of the quake and tsunamis in Japan, both now mostly mitigated:

Though part of the increase came from the reversal of temporary factors that had restrained growth, the expansion was a welcome relief for an economy that looked on the brink of recession just weeks ago.

U.S. gross domestic product expanded at a 2.5 percent annual rate in the third quarter, the Commerce Department said in its first estimate on Thursday. That was a big acceleration from the 1.3 percent pace in the April-June quarter and matched economists’ expectations.

“The probability of a double-dip has diminished quite a bit,” said Sung Won Sohn, an economics professor at California State University in the Channel Islands. He made the comments before the release of the report.

Consumer spending in the last quarter was the strongest since the fourth quarter of 2010, while business investment spending was the fastest in more than a year. Even though consumer spending was stronger, businesses were slow in stocking up their warehouses.

However, Reuters also points out that this might not last long — and that workers won’t see much of a benefit:

The peppier spending and a slower pace of inventory accumulation by businesses will lay a base for a solid fourth quarter, but a slowdown in Europe and the exhaustion of pent-up U.S. demand could leave a weak spot early in 2012.

And the recovery’s pace is still too weak to lower a jobless rate that has been stuck above 9 percent for five straight months.

If one accepts Reuters’ explanation of temporary factors for Q1 and Q2′s near-recessionary performances, then this shows that the economy hasn’t really improved much at all from the second half of 2010.

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Aspire to Mediocrity: Obama 2012!

Abby Adams on October 27, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Don’t worry buddy, you’ll be back to work in ten years, or twelve.

RBMN on October 27, 2011 at 9:32 AM

2.5 … for now.

ooonaughtykitty on October 27, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Yes We Probably Can!

blatantblue on October 27, 2011 at 9:33 AM

If Obama is very luck, he will see GDP rise to the level Bush left behind.

Before libs crow, look at per capital GDP growth. The number of people entering the work force is 2%. This growth is barely greater than workforce growth.

As usually these stats are prepared by the lead govco economist.

Rosie Scenario PhD. Her data is always adjusted downward later.

seven on October 27, 2011 at 9:34 AM

2.5% is mediocre. And it’s almost certain to be downgraded over the next few months.

Doughboy on October 27, 2011 at 9:35 AM

Unexpectedly.

bloviator on October 27, 2011 at 9:36 AM

It will be quietly revised down on a Friday evening in a few weeks…

PatriotRider on October 27, 2011 at 9:37 AM

The second quarter estimate was also in this range before two downward revisions.

burt on October 27, 2011 at 9:37 AM

We can do better. Much better.

Good Lt on October 27, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Happy days, are here again . . . . . . . . . . . . .

listens2glenn on October 27, 2011 at 9:39 AM

… it’s almost certain to be downgraded over the next few months.

Doughboy on October 27, 2011 at 9:35 AM

Exactly. This administration’s calling card is economic reports which are downgraded upon further review, time after time.

Obama and his henchmen run a propaganda operation.

Jaibones on October 27, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Everything is going according to plan.

platypus on October 27, 2011 at 9:40 AM

I’m sure there were 2.5% GDP increases during the Great Depression too.

rbj on October 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM

Why on earth is Ed quoting Rooters as if their reports are meaningful in some way?

Jaibones on October 27, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Stock market is going to have a big up day today because the Europeans have finally agreed to do something about the Greek situation. Has nothing to do with Obama, but he’ll probably be trying to take credit for it. Look for the administration to start pointing to the stock market and the GDP numbers as proof that Obama’s policies are working.

AZCoyote on October 27, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Why on earth is Ed quoting Rooters as if their reports are meaningful in some way?

Jaibones on October 27, 2011 at 9:42 AM

It’s pronounced Roiters.

Steve Z on October 27, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Look for the administration to start pointing to the stock market and the GDP numbers as proof that Obama’s policies are working.

AZCoyote on October 27, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Obama’s been hesitant to do that thanks to his bashing of Wall Street and corporate profits in the past. And he really won’t wanna go there after the OWS protests.

Doughboy on October 27, 2011 at 9:49 AM

HEY ED! What’s the chance you could post the audio (or even video) of the Glenn Beck Radio Show, 9:33AM thru 9:49AM EDT this morning?
That caller ‘Gary’ was priceless, man, priceless.

listens2glenn on October 27, 2011 at 9:52 AM

This may actually understate the improvement in growth from Q2.

I recall every…EVERY number coming out of this regime being downgraded…DOWNGRADED…every time. Hmmmm, maybe I’m missing something on the optimism…

winston on October 27, 2011 at 9:53 AM

oh the lsm will be doing the happy dance now…they will be lauding this ALL DAY long

cmsinaz on October 27, 2011 at 9:54 AM

Those factors were a rapid escalation of gas prices and the impact of the quake and tsunamis in Japan, both now mostly mitigated:

Meanwhile, crude oil has surged to over $90/barrel. So much for that being “temporary”.

Steve Eggleston on October 27, 2011 at 9:56 AM

so the earthquake is the cause of the downturn AND the upturn???

cmsinaz on October 27, 2011 at 9:56 AM

2.5 … for now.

ooonaughtykitty on October 27, 2011 at 9:32 AM

true

cmsinaz on October 27, 2011 at 9:56 AM

The election of Republican governors, Republican legislators, and the takeover of the House (slowing Obama) had to have some small effect.

mankai on October 27, 2011 at 9:58 AM

And he really won’t wanna go there after the OWS protests.

Doughboy on October 27, 2011 at 9:49 AM

but i can see him going there DB…

cmsinaz on October 27, 2011 at 9:59 AM

As James Pethokoukis noted on his Twitter feed:

Fun contrast: 3Q GDP in 1983 (during Reagan Recovery) … was 8.1 percent
The New Sucky Normal| Past five GDP reports: 2.5%, 1.3%, 0.4%, 1.3%, 2.5% (typos corrected)
According to Obama White House econ forecast of 2 years ago, economy should be growing 4% right now

Related; the similar quarter in the Reagan Recovery (1Q 1985) grew by 3.8%.

Steve Eggleston on October 27, 2011 at 10:01 AM

but i can see him going there DB…

cmsinaz on October 27, 2011 at 9:59 AM

He’d be

Doughboy on October 27, 2011 at 10:01 AM

He’d be setting himself up to look like he’s in bed with Wall Street by praising their success and taking millions in campaign contributions.

Doughboy on October 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM

HEY ED! What’s the chance you could post the audio (or even video) of the Glenn Beck Radio Show, 9:33AM thru 9:49AM EDT this morning?
That caller ‘Gary’ was priceless, man, priceless.

listens2glenn on October 27, 2011 at 9:52 AM

Your best bet is to get a hold of The Right Scoop

Steve Eggleston on October 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM

Please stop drinking the Koolaid.

GDP did not rise 2.5% The increase was one fourth of that, or 5/8 of 1%. If you add that to the second quarter rate, which increased only a paltry .35%, then in the last 6 months there’s been an increase (subject to further adjustment) of merely .975%, which annualizes to 1.95%. I don’t remember the first quarter figure, but my guess is that if you factor it in, growth for this year is even lower.

EconomicNeocon on October 27, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Have a sneaking suspicion Obama will get re-elected. I’m depressed.

andy85719 on October 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Doughboy on October 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM

he’s doing right now under their noses..

cmsinaz on October 27, 2011 at 10:14 AM

Related; the similar quarter in the Reagan Recovery (1Q 1985) grew by 3.8%.

Steve Eggleston on October 27, 2011 at 10:01 AM

I immediately thought of the Reagan numbers.

Just a quick note… 1Q 1985 was in Reagan’s second term… let us not have to go there with Obama.

mankai on October 27, 2011 at 10:14 AM

This was always the plan. Beat the economy to a pulp as you installed the first wave of socialism. Ease up at the end of the first term and allow the resilience and genius of America to adapt to the “new normal.” Exploit the besieged country’s brief respite from all the damage you’ve caused by selling this relative, rather pitiful equilibrium as a “recovery”, win a second term and then pound America into permanent Socialist co-dependency. Mission accomplished.

rrpjr on October 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM

It’s early. Not much coffee. I read that as GOP bounced back to 2.5% and wasn’t all that surprised.

angryed on October 27, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Until it’s downgraded next week.

stenwin77 on October 27, 2011 at 10:20 AM

It’s early. Not much coffee. I read that as GOP bounced back to 2.5% and wasn’t all that surprised.

angryed on October 27, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Aha! Now I understand your post.

VegasRick on October 27, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Just a quick note… 1Q 1985 was in Reagan’s second term… let us not have to go there with Obama.

mankai on October 27, 2011 at 10:14 AM

I don’t want to be there either. The 1Q 1985/3Q 2011 comparison is of the 9th quarters after the official ends of the respective recessions.

Steve Eggleston on October 27, 2011 at 10:22 AM

I’m sure there were 2.5% GDP increases during the Great Depression too.

rbj on October 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM

The Bureau of Economic Analysis doesn’t have quarterly results from the Great Depression, but real GDP grew 10.9% in 1934, 8.9% in 1935, 13.1% in 1936 and 5.1% in 1937 before reverting to negativity in 1938.

Steve Eggleston on October 27, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Remember the bad old days of 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006 and 2007 when GDP was growing at 3 to 4%?

angryed on October 27, 2011 at 10:29 AM

Obama’s government will attempt to publish whatever statistics are necessary to bolster his political standing. Believe this trash at your own peril.

rplat on October 27, 2011 at 10:31 AM

The Bureau of Economic Analysis doesn’t have quarterly results from the Great Depression, but real GDP grew 10.9% in 1934, 8.9% in 1935, 13.1% in 1936 and 5.1% in 1937 before reverting to negativity in 1938.

Steve Eggleston on October 27, 2011 at 10:26 AM

And FDR won 46 out of 48 states in 1936.

angryed on October 27, 2011 at 10:37 AM

Imagine what the GDP would be with leadership in the Senate and White House, that isn’t hostile to the citizens, they supposedly represent.

All this report tells me, is that our country is strong at the core, and can take an assault from the leftist fringe, and still manage to hang on.

Dr Evil on October 27, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Rooters… the definitive source on US economics… Wonderful…

Khun Joe on October 27, 2011 at 10:56 AM

The Bureau emphasized that the third-quarter advance estimate released today is based on source data that are incomplete or subject to further revision by the source agency

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The most transparent administration in history is still using this ridiculous advance to promote the lie of economic improvement. Look for the second estimate to nosedive in November. We all knew that, didn’t we?
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Nosedive in November…. that has a nice ring to it; I’m gonna use it again, somewhere, maybe in abut a year.

ExpressoBold on October 27, 2011 at 11:05 AM

We should be seeing a much more robust growth by this time, and 2.5% isn’t even a decent maintenance level for a healthy economy

No idea why growth should be more robust… most economists would take 2.5% in a heartbeat. In a deep balance sheet recession, growth is generally confined to under 2%. And this isn’t 1930′s American, when the country was only starting to develop a dominant manufacturing base and capable of rapid economic expansion. Those days are long gone.

bayam on October 27, 2011 at 11:05 AM

And FDR won 46 out of 48 states in 1936.

angryed on October 27, 2011 at 10:37 AM

…immediately followed by the 1937-1938 recession ended only by the ramp-up of armament production spurred by the kickoff of WWII.

Steve Eggleston on October 27, 2011 at 11:06 AM

EconomicNeocon on October 27, 2011 at 10:07 AM

If you want to be technical, it was the fourth root of 1.025, or just under 0.62%.

Steve Eggleston on October 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Credit card usage is going up however. How much of this “growth” is fueled with borrowed spending?

From July 2011,

http://www.bankrate.com/financing/credit-cards/why-credit-card-usage-is-up/

Yakko77 on October 27, 2011 at 11:14 AM

with our sorry lot of candidates it won’t take much for him to win.

tomas on October 27, 2011 at 11:50 AM

It’s an estimate from a source that has guesstimated poorly in recent months. And why would that be? GDP had been at zero close to zero or below zero for almost three years if one looks at REALITY.

What has happened to make GDP SURGE all the way up to that amazing, astounding 2.5%?

dogsoldier on October 27, 2011 at 11:57 AM

The breakeven point for the economy is 3.0 percent GDP growth and it has been considered that for decades. Anything less is not enough juice to lower the unemployment rate in any measureable way. It’s not medicore. Its got to improve to reach that exalted level.

Fred 2 on October 27, 2011 at 12:17 PM

2.5% is good enough for re-election if you baste it with white guilt.

a capella on October 27, 2011 at 1:08 PM

with our sorry lot of candidates it won’t take much for him to win.

tomas on October 27, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Did you have to say that? I’m in denial mode and you derailed me.

a capella on October 27, 2011 at 1:10 PM

So when it gets downgraded to 1.8 or so in the next week or two that’ll get reported too, right?

Right?

catmman on October 27, 2011 at 1:30 PM

2.5% based on WHAT? All I see is a booming growth in government jobs / parasitism. Trucking is still down, rail is down, unemployment remains high – just where in the hell does this 2.5 come in at?

rayra on October 27, 2011 at 1:57 PM

GDP bounces back to 2.5%

…for a few days until the data is “corrected” to reflect reality!

landlines on October 27, 2011 at 2:09 PM

rayra on October 27, 2011 at 1:57 PM

…and I wonder where the Obama’s destruction of the fishing industry (by giving “catch limits” to environmental groups and favored companies) has been taken into account.

landlines on October 27, 2011 at 2:37 PM

I have to ask what changed to make this improvement? Did unemployment go down? No still over 400,000. Did employment go up? No it didn’t, so now they tell us without any upward changes, we improved? I got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale cheap.

jainphx on October 27, 2011 at 10:39 PM

This is just a projection, so I’m very cynical that it will actually hit that number.

There Goes The Neighborhood on October 28, 2011 at 3:10 AM