Double the fun: Peter Schiff versus Occupy Wall Street, round two

posted at 3:25 pm on October 27, 2011 by Allahpundit

Yesterday’s crowd-pleaser from MRC TV was just an appetizer. Here’s the main course via Reason — almost 19 minutes of Schiff taking on all comers at Zuccotti Park like some sort of Austrian-school ninja. Watch for the part where he breaks out the rhetorical nunchucks against regulation on grounds that everyone wants to pay lower prices for goods and is duly informed by a guy in a Guy Fawkes mask and keffiyeh that … no, not everyone does. There’s your “Obama 2012″ campaign slogan, I guess.

Elsewhere in the park, the revolution might not be televised but apparently it will be catered. With one caveat: You only get to eat if you’re doing something productive for the cause, like drumming 15 hours a day. You see, the people’s mess hall doesn’t have time for … freeloaders.

The Occupy Wall Street volunteer kitchen staff launched a “counter” revolution yesterday — because they’re angry about working 18-hour days to provide food for “professional homeless” people and ex-cons masquerading as protesters.

For three days beginning tomorrow, the cooks will serve only brown rice and other spartan grub instead of the usual menu of organic chicken and vegetables, spaghetti bolognese, and roasted beet and sheep’s-milk-cheese salad.

They will also provide directions to local soup kitchens for the vagrants, criminals and other freeloaders who have been descending on Zuccotti Park in increasing numbers every day…

Today, a limited menu of sandwiches, chips and some hot food will be doled out — so legitimate protesters will have a day to make arrangements for more upscale weekend meals.

In other words, a guy with no job who’s been sleeping in the park for a month and prone to saying things like “power to the people” is entitled to feast on sheep’s-milk-cheese salad, but a guy with no job who’s been sleeping in the park for years and prone to saying things like “I’m hungry” has to make do with whatever the local soup kitchen is shoveling. Some occupiers really are more equal than others.

Be sure to read to the end of the Post’s article for details on the confrontation between OWS’s self-appointed security team and the “trouble-prone southwest section of Zuccotti Park,” which is troublesome enough that some women have reportedly abandoned the protest in fear for their own safety. (No one knows how bad it is inside because there’s an informal “stop snitching” policy that’s intimidating people into not reporting crimes.) Zuccotti Park isn’t that big so some of this must be going on right under the NYPD’s nose, yet for political reasons, Bloomberg and the landlord are apparently content to let the movement’s own “security volunteers” handle it rather than risk a confrontation by intervening themselves. Disgraceful, and needless to say, the outrage it would inspire if the protesters’ politics were different would be apocalyptic. As it is, if someone does get seriously hurt in there, they should sue every city official and agency in sight — Bloomberg, Ray Kelly, straight down the line. They might not win but the shame alone will be worth it.

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OWS kitchen staff=Soup Nazis

Christien on October 27, 2011 at 5:09 PM

People who chose to dress up like clowns should not expect to be taken seriously. As statistics show the Trophy generations are addicted to their “things” and as consumers they want and pay the lowest price they can find, unless their parents are still “keeping” them. They probably have never sat down and calculated how much money they blow in a year on Latte’s at Starbucks.
Sad that the young man kept referring to the Federal Department of Education as the “School Board”. And it is an agency that should be flushed. A huge waste of money and the impact on our education systems has been one big negative.
All of these videos keep proving that it’s easy to scream comments, it’s very difficult to defend them when they are based on inuendo and opinion and completely devoid of facts.

IlonaE on October 27, 2011 at 5:11 PM

I don’t want to be indelicate…

… but NYC has some seriously jacked up people.

/

Seven Percent Solution on October 27, 2011 at 5:11 PM

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Hey, I remember when Pres. Bill Bob instituted taxes on the “upper” Social Security recipients. People get to pay taxes on money that’s already been taxed once. Good stuff. What really out to change is the upper most amount a person on Social Security can make, which I believe is around $12K. Seniors capable of making more money would put the young to shame in productivity and knowledge.

Cindy Munford on October 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Seven Percent Solution on October 27, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Rudy said that he would have told them that the park was not for sleeping, the very first night.

kingsjester on October 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM

How do they determine the freeloaders from the other freeloaders..?

d1carter on October 27, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Whoopie tells them which ones are the freeloader, freeloaders.

csdeven on October 27, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Oh how I detest rich liberals who call for higher taxes but refuse to write a bigger check come tax time.

jawkneemusic on October 27, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Personal computers were developed in an era with higher taxes, more welfare, and more regulation. The argument that such policies would somehow prevent capitalism from working to the point that it could provide such innovation is ridiculous.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Good grief. Where do I even begin to unravel such a dense knot of ignorance, foolishness, & mendacity?

OhioCoastie on October 27, 2011 at 5:22 PM

So then you go out and call for taxes on SS benefits. Go on, I’ll wait.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM

I’m not calling for that…never have. I am, however, in favor of raising the age at which you get SS benefits.

MadisonConservative on October 27, 2011 at 5:25 PM

I think the young looking Harry Belefonte dude could be turned to be conservative.

hip shot on October 27, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Yep. All he needs is a dose of reality. Like a mugging at the park by one of his fellow “concerned citizens”.

csdeven on October 27, 2011 at 5:27 PM

rogerb on October 27, 2011 at 5:03 PM

CUNY

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Personal computers were developed in an era with higher taxes, more welfare, and more regulation. The argument that such policies would somehow prevent capitalism from working to the point that it could provide such innovation is ridiculous.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

I can develop something cool in my basement all day long, but getting it to mass market via capital investment didn’t happen during this period of high taxes, welfare, and regulation. Hence, the computer boom of the 80′s.

beatcanvas on October 27, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Peter Schiff is a hero!

It’s like talking to zombies! They can’t think. They’re in their mob and all they can do is parrot lines they’ve been shouting.

Talk about greed… how greedy is it to demand something for nothing!

Average incomes in other countries. Here’s the real 99%
Rank Country 2009 $
1 United States 51,493
2 Luxembourg 50,610
3 Switzerland 47,810
4 Australia 45,385
5 Netherlands 45,161
6 Ireland 45,160
7 Norway 43,607
8 United Kingdom 43,250
9 Denmark 42,173
10 Belgium 41,923
11 Austria 41,421
12 Germany 37,544
13 France 37,269
14 Sweden 35,582
15 Finland 34,903
16 Spain 32,957
17 Japan 32,816
18 South Korea 32,638
19 Italy 32,121
20 Greece 27,460
21 Portugal 22,666
22 Czech Republic 19,618
23 Hungary 18,220
24 Poland 17,812

This list is as of 2007:

26 Czech Republic 12,596
27 Portugal 12,515
28 Estonia 9,836
29 Poland 9,113
30 Slovak Republic 9,071
31 Hungary 8,531
32 Chile 7,851
33 Turkey 5,940
34 Mexico 4,689

Ok… lots of nations out there where these protestors would be considered pretty blasted rich! Yeah.. maybe they’d even be considered the world’s richest 1%! So maybe they ought to have all their property and money taken from them and divided up with the peasants down in Central America!

JellyToast on October 27, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Did anyone ever see this movie?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050307/

Cindy Munford on October 27, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Personal computers were developed in an era with higher taxes, more welfare, and more regulation. The argument that such policies would somehow prevent capitalism from working to the point that it could provide such innovation is ridiculous.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Please name the Apple, Amazon, eBay, Facebook Dell Twitter of France, Germany, Sweden or Italy.

Why do you think every major innovation in technology in the past 30 years has come from the US and not France or Germany or Japan? Could it be maybe, just maybe just maybe the low taxes of the past 30 years contributes to innovation?

angryed on October 27, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Everyone always needs to remember Ernesto grew up on welfare. His parents were on welfare as well. His entire world view is one of govt handouts.

angryed on October 27, 2011 at 5:35 PM

I think I’m starting to get the hang of this right-wing thinking…

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Welcome to the right side of the issue. I hope you’ll stay with us in the future.

crr6 on June 18, 2011 at 2:38 AM

Del Dolemonte on October 27, 2011 at 5:36 PM

corporations have nothing to do with slavery or Jim Crow. The responsibility for that rests solely on southern voters and their elected representatives. No corporations – just regular folks and the people they voted for.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 3:59 PM

Auto Racing was invented by the French, not by Southern Rednecks.

Far Left icon Paul Newman’s auto racing team still bears his name years after his death.

And George Harrison was also a Race Fan.

Del Dolemonte on October 27, 2011 at 5:38 PM

What about the assumption that conservative tax plans would lessen the burden on the wealthy while increasing it on the poor and middle class? False?

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:14 PM

How much less do you want the poor to pay? Here is how it works……X amount of dollars are deducted from their pay. At tax time, after deductions, their tax rate is 0. The government sends them back the X amount that was deducted. Then on top of that they receive other credits like EIC etc. So, not only do they get every dime that was deducted, but the also get more money.

So, exactly how much less should the poor NOT pay?

csdeven on October 27, 2011 at 5:39 PM

How do they determine the freeloaders from the other freeloaders..?

d1carter on October 27, 2011 at 3:47 PM

The bad freeloaders aren’t wearing designer hoodies with skinny jeans and $400 RayBan geek chic frames.

Also, the bad freeloaders aren’t live tweeting their struggle against capitalism via $600 iPhones.

Khorum on October 27, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Good grief. Where do I even begin to unravel such a dense knot of ignorance, foolishness, & mendacity?

OhioCoastie on October 27, 2011 at 5:22 PM

You cannot. He is the product of the government school system.

csdeven on October 27, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Personal computers were developed in an era with higher taxes, more welfare, and more regulation. The argument that such policies would somehow prevent capitalism from working to the point that it could provide such innovation is ridiculous.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

So the PC was a result of more regulation, not less? Please prove it.

Del Dolemonte on October 27, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Now, given the choice between hitting them up for cash, and hitting up the wealthiest 1%, I choose the latter. You choose the former. I can’t imagine why, but you’re entitled, I suppose.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:57 PM

I choose to cut the spending of the federal government so the taxes can be lowered on everyone.

csdeven on October 27, 2011 at 5:45 PM

I choose to cut the spending of the federal government so the taxes can be lowered on everyone.

csdeven on October 27, 2011 at 5:45 PM


CRAZY TALK!!!!!

angryed on October 27, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Personal computers were developed in an era with higher taxes, more welfare, and more regulation. The argument that such policies would somehow prevent capitalism from working to the point that it could provide such innovation is ridiculous.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Computers weren’t really regulated upon their conception. ;)

Conversely, because of over regulation of the phone industry, telephone technology was stalled for over 20 years. Modern phone technology didn’t develop until after it was de-regulated. Discuss.

lorien1973 on October 27, 2011 at 5:54 PM

angryed on October 27, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Untrue, but dont let hat stop you

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Where is this “Washington County” to which Schiff referred?

There are a lot of states with a “Washington County.”

Christien on October 27, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Christien on October 27, 2011 at 5:57 PM

He’s obviously referring to DC.

lorien1973 on October 27, 2011 at 5:58 PM

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Do you want a society where the majority of taxpayers are Incentivised to vote for more and more largess from the public treasury?

Chip on October 27, 2011 at 6:02 PM

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Computers weren’t really regulated upon their conception. ;)

Conversely, because of over regulation of the phone industry, telephone technology was stalled for over 20 years. Modern phone technology didn’t develop until after it was de-regulated. Discuss.

lorien1973 on October 27, 2011 at 5:54 PM

If ernie read his history, he knows that over regulation never works, except to strangle capitalism.

My favorite example continues to be the story of the two successful and profitable steamship companies operating in the Hawaiian Islands in the late 1800s. They were regulated by the Kingdom of Hawai’i, which also received Duty-Free fuel from Down Under and from Canada to power their boats.

After the US Government annexed Hawai’i in 1898, they installed layers of regulations that resulted in one of the companies folding, and the other one was only able to hang on for another 20 or so years.

Del Dolemonte on October 27, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Untrue, but dont let hat stop you

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I agree. I figure you are one of the 1% and you want to enact the policies you espouse here because it keeps poor people poor. You don’t want the riffraff moving into your neighborhood.

csdeven on October 27, 2011 at 6:09 PM

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

True, that was done during a period of more regulation. But it is equally true that those regulations didn’t apply to these nascent enterprises – as they hadn’t been written to address them, yet.

In fact, those regulations may have been an incentive. It’s a case of capital moving away from regulated industries into one where it could be better applied, one without sometimes capricious and arbitrary rules.

JeffWeimer on October 27, 2011 at 6:13 PM

lorien1973 on October 27, 2011 at 5:58 PM

I know. He misspoke…just felt like calling Mr. Smart Guy on it.

DC Metro-area counties among America’s top 10 richest counties (2011)

1. Fall’s Church City, VA (odd name for a county)
2. Loudoun County, VA
3. Fairfax County, VA
5. Howard County, MD (Is that still DC Metro?)
10. Fairfax City County, VA (Jeez, VA, again with the city/county?)

Christien on October 27, 2011 at 6:13 PM

CUNY
 
ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 5:27 PM

 
Good for you for slumming it with the rest of us, 1%er.

rogerb on October 27, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Personal computers were developed in an era with higher taxes, more welfare, and more regulation. The argument that such policies would somehow prevent capitalism from working to the point that it could provide such innovation is ridiculous.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Go get a historical chart of tax revenues as a % of GDP and try to find any overall correlation between higher tax rates and higher revenues. There’s none.

Chuck Schick on October 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Pro capitalism. Right you idiot. These people will go home and vote in the next election for barney frank, chuck shumer, dick durbin, the rest of the fascists and the mac daddy of all fascists and corruption enablers barry the destroyer. They’ll vote for the ones who are killing our capitalist system on a daily basis. Pro capitalists? In these videos I see a lot of old bitter people and young lazy morons. Oh yeah, and the lying ugly woman who claimed to be among the 1%. You could see her bitterness oozing from her eye sockets.

peacenprosperity on October 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM

WE DON’T WANT LOWER PRICES!

/OWS

Good Lt on October 27, 2011 at 6:25 PM

WE DON’T WANT LOWER PRICES!

/OWS

Good Lt on October 27, 2011 at 6:25 PM

They want lower prices… they want their gubmint to set prices. They want their gubmint to start trade wars. They want their gubmint to spend more. They also demand more poopoo popo cars.

MeatHeadinCA on October 27, 2011 at 6:28 PM

WE DON’T WANT LOWER PRICES!

/OWS

Good Lt on October 27, 2011 at 6:25 PM

(unless we’re talking education costs!)

/ows

Kataklysmic on October 27, 2011 at 6:30 PM

So, you’re suggesting that the 47% are entirely peopled with retired folk?

Midas on October 27, 2011 at 4:52 PM

And students. It’s always retired people and students with ernie. Sometimes he throws out the working poor. He apparently believes there are no welfare queens or other freeloaders among the 47%.

stvnscott on October 27, 2011 at 6:37 PM

I couldn’t get past five minutes of the video. Schiff is a brave man to go down there. None of those protesters could put forth a coherent arguement. I can only stand so much drivel….

Ace ODale on October 27, 2011 at 6:52 PM

WE DON’T WANT LOWER PRICES!

/OWS

Good Lt on October 27, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Liars, every one o’em…

Ace ODale on October 27, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Look what Andy Levy wrote at Columbia.

http://www.the-fed.org/articles/volume18/issue6/federalistarticle.html

Cindy Munford on October 27, 2011 at 7:22 PM

unwatchable. Schiff made no headway at all, because leftist can’t process those explanations. It’s not like those people are simply unenlightened. Their view of the universe is fundamentally different and no reasoning will ever change that. You can’t reason with people whose views are born, not from an flawed understanding, but from a fervent belief in the non-existent. It’s like trying to convince a group of believes that their religion is nonsense. What’s the point?

keep the change on October 27, 2011 at 7:25 PM

test

Spathi on October 27, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Personal computers were developed in an era with higher taxes, more welfare, and more regulation. The argument that such policies would somehow prevent capitalism from working to the point that it could provide such innovation is ridiculous.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Wow the king of the fallacious argument strikes again. I can just as easily say that taxes and regulation have slowed the development of personal computers in half. Just I imagine the computers we could have had…thanks a lot.

CW on October 27, 2011 at 7:43 PM

Rudy said that he would have told them that the park was not for sleeping, the very first night.

kingsjester on October 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM

I miss Rudy. The fact that the authorities all over the country let these OWSer’s violate the law without consequence for so long will make it nearly impossible to now enforce the law. As anyone who has ever had to deal with a 2 y/o can tell you, when you make a rule, you need to stick with it.

mbs on October 27, 2011 at 7:44 PM

THE RENT IS TOO DAMN LOW!

Chuck Schick on October 27, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Hey Hey
Ho Ho
Rich people have got to go

Ho Ho
Hey Hey
Communism is here to stay….

ernesto(aka communesto)

xblade on October 27, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Wow the king of the fallacious argument strikes again. I can just as easily say that taxes and regulation have slowed the development of personal computers in half. Just I imagine the computers we could have had…thanks a lot.

CW

Give communesto a break. Because of Obama’s increased regulations, oil drilling in the Gulf is booming….well, except for the U.S., that is.

xblade on October 27, 2011 at 7:54 PM

MayBee on October 27, 2011 at 4:28 PM

I agree MayBee. America does a terrible job educating children in even the obvious needs, math, science, geography and civics, so I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that these kids have no knowledge whatsoever of how the economy works. It bothers me nonetheless, because this is our country and these kids will need to be able to at least participate in running it.

MTF on October 27, 2011 at 8:36 PM

As it is, if someone does get seriously hurt in there, they should sue every city official and agency in sight — Bloomberg, Ray Kelly, straight down the line. They might not win but the shame alone will be worth it.

Poor Joshua!

Because Allah is one of them fancy lawyers, he knows what this means.

BCrago66 on October 27, 2011 at 8:38 PM

I refuse to believe that 99% of the country is this stooooopid!

hpk1942 on October 27, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Bloomberg and the landlord are apparently content to let the movement’s own “security volunteers” handle it rather than risk a confrontation by intervening themselves.

Like the Hell’s Angels working security at Altamont.
Meanwhile, if something happens, they will STILL blame the police.
Count it.

HornetSting on October 27, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Great video I really enjoyed these. I hope there are more people at the OWS protests like the last guy in the 2nd video. He at least seemed reasonable.

Dash on October 27, 2011 at 9:41 PM

I hope this guy never shows up at a GOP debate. He would wipe the floor with our sad lot.

faraway on October 27, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Well, Schiff was the economic advisor to ole Ronnie Paul for his 2008 campaign. Try listening to him at the next debate.

Nelsen on October 27, 2011 at 9:41 PM

WE DON’T WANT LOWER PRICES!

/OWS

Good Lt on October 27, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Yeah… while they’re getting everything for free. They eat for free. Sleep for free. Squat for free. Poop for free.

JellyToast on October 27, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Personal computers were developed in an era with higher taxes, more welfare, and more regulation.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

So there was more taxes/GDP, welfare and regulation in the 80′s than 2008? Source that please.

elfman on October 27, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Peter Schiff 2012?

terryannonline on October 27, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Once you take out the huge retired population, and the population of 18-22 year olds with no income whatsoever, you’re left with the poorest, hardest working Americans. Now, given the choice between hitting them up for cash, and hitting up the wealthiest 1%, I choose the latter. You choose the former. I can’t imagine why, but you’re entitled, I suppose.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:57 PM

I thought this movement was in part about people paying their fair share. The 1%ers are the only ones paying far more than that. So naturally, you’re choosing them to hit up for more money, cause f- rich people, or something.

Esthier on October 27, 2011 at 10:47 PM

Personal computers were developed in an era with higher taxes, more welfare, and more regulation.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

There’s an odd phenomena: Although the percent of AGI paid in taxes for all tax brackets steadily decreased from 1980 – 2009, the wealthy’s share of the total taxes paid increased and the poor’s decreased. The only explanation that I can find is that the rich got “really rich” as that their tax rate decreased, and ended up paying a LOT more in taxes relative to what they used to pay. So the rich actually were taxed a lot more in 1980, but the government got a lot less out of them. Read the two tables to verify:

Total Income Tax Shares, 1980-2009 (Percent of federal income tax paid by each group)

Average Tax Rate, 1980-2009 (Percent of AGI paid in income taxes)

elfman on October 27, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Heh, a commenter at freerepublic named “nascarnation” made this observation about the OWS crowd and its champion Obama:

I don’t understand why Obama won’t send them FEMA trailers.
Is Baraq a friend of the 99ers or not?

onlineanalyst on October 27, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Once you take out the huge retired population, and the population of 18-22 year olds with no income whatsoever, you’re left with the poorest, hardest working Americans. Now, given the choice between hitting them up for cash, and hitting up the wealthiest 1%, I choose the latter. You choose the former. I can’t imagine why, but you’re entitled, I suppose.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:57 PM

How about the government hits up no one? That’s my opinion.

Nelsen on October 27, 2011 at 11:09 PM

Some occupiers really are more equal than others.

“Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite ‘em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.”

mrt721 on October 27, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Well, Schiff was the economic advisor to ole Ronnie Paul for his 2008 campaign. Try listening to him at the next debate.

Nelsen on October 27, 2011 at 9:41 PM

It’s generally not the economic discussions in which Paul finds himself saying whackadoodle things.

Midas on October 27, 2011 at 11:40 PM

Hmmmm: Big “bundlers” for Obama have active ties to lobbyists.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/28/us/politics/obama-bundlers-have-ties-to-lobbying.html?_r=2&hp

onlineanalyst on October 27, 2011 at 11:40 PM

So then you go out and call for taxes on SS benefits. Go on, I’ll wait.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Dear heart, the SS beneficiaries have to pay a tax on their benefits already, thanks to the Dems’ legislation many years ago.

onlineanalyst on October 27, 2011 at 11:48 PM

Once you take out the huge retired population, and the population of 18-22 year olds with no income whatsoever, you’re left with the poorest, hardest working Americans. Now, given the choice between hitting them up for cash, and hitting up the wealthiest 1%, I choose the latter. You choose the former. I can’t imagine why, but you’re entitled, I suppose.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Ah, I see where you’re going wrong. You actually think local, state, and federal governments actually need all that money.

To make it simple, let’s stick with federal. If you took the time to read the Constitution, you’d find that the vast majority of what Washington does is actually prohibited by that same document, and in fact reserved to the states or the people.

That means Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and hundreds of other federal government functions are unconstitutional and therefore an illegal use of taxpayer money.

If only they obeyed the highest law of the land, then we might actually find that income taxes are completely unnecessary to fund the federal government. Then we could just drop this whole argument about how much you think the rich “owes” you.

TheMightyMonarch on October 28, 2011 at 12:07 AM

The man is speaking my language. It’s such friggin common sense that it boggles the mind that so few people get it. Yes, if you get rid of the student loans, and the subsidized housing loans, and the govt-provided healthcare, and suddenly people have to find a way to pay for these things themselves, either out of their own pockets or via private loans, guess what happens? People start shopping around. And the institutions selling these goods and services have to find a way to make their product affordable, or they go out of business! Stop selling these kids on this bullshyte fraud that student loans are good debt. There is no good debt! It is unconscionable that our govt. is making indentured servants out of whole generations of Americans with this freaking scam.

Also the alleged 1 percent woman is full of it. What Schiff says is absolutely correct. Even at my middle I come level, when I was freelancing, I made as much as I needed to be comfortable but if i was approaching the next tax bracket come September or October, I quit taking on work for the rest of the year. I probably didnt put anyone out of work, but the principle works all across the board. In his autobiography Reagan talks about the exorbitant tax rates while he was still in the movie business and he said he figured out pretty quick that it didn’t make much sense to keep working if you were just going to give most of it to the govt anyway, so once he hit his limit, he quit working and spent the rest of the year riding horses. Anyone who claims they wouldn’t do the same is being disingenuous. No one works for free. Well maybe Europeans do, but chalk that up to centuries of serfdom being programmed into their DNA. They simply don’t have the same independent spirit Americans have. They are trained from birth to serve the state.

NoLeftTurn on October 28, 2011 at 1:02 AM

“Everyone in this park wants low prices!”

“No! No we don’t!”

Love that.

somewhatconcerned on October 27, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Except for housing, healthcare and education. They want that to cost $0.00.

NoLeftTurn on October 28, 2011 at 1:18 AM

A friend of my son’s who is attending NYU went down to Zucotti park to dig the scene and had her cell stolen. Another liberal mugged by reality, literally.

Tyrone Slothrop on October 28, 2011 at 1:22 AM

And the assumption that large banks are entitled to preferential treatment, treatment that is never extended to individuals without a huge fight, is that false too?

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:12 PM

You obviously have not bothered to watch the video.

NoLeftTurn on October 28, 2011 at 1:23 AM

MadisonConservative on October 27, 2011 at 4:27 PM

So then you go out and call for taxes on SS benefits. Go on, I’ll wait.

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM

SS beneficiaries already do pay federal income tax on their benefits. Can’t you educate yourself before you make these ridiculous pronouncements?

NoLeftTurn on October 28, 2011 at 1:33 AM

Some occupiers really are more equal than others.

The pigs of Animal Farm are already starting to walk on their hind legs!!!

Danny on October 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM

I say…I do rather enjoy reading ernesto’s ill-thought-out arguments followed by the inevitable trouncing. He’s like a very bad rodeo clown.

Sharke on October 28, 2011 at 1:55 AM

“Who here is pro-capitalism?”

Many hands raised.

I’ve noticed that you get different responses from different groups in different cities.

shick on October 28, 2011 at 2:56 AM

THOSE are US students? WOW!

They barely can speak English, they cannot have a coherent discussion… they look exactly like those people scurring in the garbage day after day.

If this is USA new generation, they have no chance in hell to become productive, capitalism or not.

It was a pleasure to listen to this Peter Schiff fellow

Rookie on October 28, 2011 at 5:39 AM

NO ZOUP FOR YOU!

These idiots are “our future”.

America? It’s been fun. Wish you could have hung around a little longer.

Squiggy on October 28, 2011 at 6:26 AM

This is the exact same hypocritical behavior we’re seeing in our area as well. The “OWS” idiots moved their tents (not themselves, at night there’s only a skeleton crew “on duty” to keep the truly homeless out of the tents, which are left up essentially a display) into the local park, notoriously used by the truly homeless.
Now, the OWS idiots, after “occupying” the park for several weeks and actually being around the truly homeless a little bit, are looking for a “more appropriate” park to “occupy”, because they find the truly homeless “unsavory”.

Honestly, “Liberals” are the scum of the earth.

KMC1 on October 28, 2011 at 8:39 AM

I watched the first video last night with my 16yo, and virtually every time Mr. “No, no we don’t!” opened his mouth, my daughter would turn to me and ask “What’s he on?” She had trouble believing that someone could be that stupid without chemical assistance.

It gave me the warm fuzzies.

LibraryGryffon on October 28, 2011 at 8:49 AM

They want lower prices… they want their gubmint to set prices. They want their gubmint to start trade wars. They want their gubmint to spend more. They also demand more poopoo popo cars.

MeatHeadinCA on October 27, 2011 at 6:28 PM

If they’re complaining about the low wages and lack of bennies for Wal-Mart workers, why do they shop there?

Steve Z on October 28, 2011 at 10:10 AM

“Who here is pro-capitalism?”

Many hands raised.

I’ve noticed that you get different responses from different groups in different cities.

shick on October 28, 2011 at 2:56 AM

Either some of them don’t know what capitalism is, or maybe Schiff managed to win some of them over…

Kudos to Peter Schiff–he’s a very brave man!

Steve Z on October 28, 2011 at 10:12 AM

You think the idiots will ever learn a little history about their heroes and realize Guy Fawlkes was a PRO-CATHOLIC terrorist?

PJ Emeritus on October 28, 2011 at 11:14 AM

ernesto on October 27, 2011 at 4:01 PM

But . . . but . . . but . . .

I thought all that segregation only happened in the Jim Crow south, bucky?

You beclown yourself – as usual.

PJ Emeritus on October 28, 2011 at 12:35 PM

As it is, if someone does get seriously hurt in there, they should sue every city official and agency in sight — Bloomberg, Ray Kelly, straight down the line. They might not win but the shame alone will be worth it.

It won’t be the City who will be sued. It will be Brookfield Office Properties — on whose property the harm occurred.

unclesmrgol on October 28, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Was that fellow arguing wearing a HAMAS scarf?

cw on October 28, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Wow. Interesting logic going on in that video. Working at Walmart is the equivalent of being raped? Someone, alert the police! They must be made aware of this travesty!

Book on October 28, 2011 at 5:54 PM

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