Hoyer: GOP jobs bills are the “Forgettable 15″

posted at 6:05 pm on October 26, 2011 by Tina Korbe

Sounds like someone is a little bitter at the House GOP for brilliantly hijacking an Obama slogan to promote passage of their own proposals.

The president, if you’ll recall, wanted people to tweet their enthusiasm for his jobs bill using the hashtag #WeCantWait. People tweeted all right — but not what the president wanted them to tweet. RNC Chair Reince Priebus took the opportunity to express his eagerness to see Obama become a one-term president, for example. And House GOPers relentlessly vented their impatience to see the Senate take up the 15 jobs bills they proposed — and passed – long before the president introduced the American Jobs Act or embarked on his Traveling Pity Party (h/t Jim Treacher).

Their push to remind folks of the #Forgotten15 didn’t stop on Twitter, either. Earlier this week, House Republican leaders passed out copies of a handy pocket card to their ranks. The card lists the 15 bills and briefly explains what the legislative package, if passed by the Senate and signed by the president, would accomplish.

Now, Minority Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland thinks he’s equally clever — but “Forgettable 15″ is just not nearly so fun as reminding the president why #WeCantWait for him to be gone:

“They are using a new pocket card to talk about their so-called ‘forgotten 15’ jobs bills,” Hoyer said. “Unfortunately, what Republicans’ bills really forgot is to create any jobs. Their ‘forgettable 15’ include bills to roll back critical consumer and environmental protections that won’t create jobs or boost our economy, according to economists.”

Hoyer said there is no evidence to support the Republican claim that environmental regulations are stifling job growth, and cited a number of economists who said the weak employment market was due to weak short-term demand, not government regulations.

“Many of the ‘forgettable 15’ bills are a complete waste of time and taxpayer money as the regulations they repeal aren’t even in effect yet — meaning they won’t have any effect on job creation,” Hoyer said. “Rather than wasting time rolling back critical consumer and environmental protections  — many of which don’t even exist yet — it’s time for Republicans to work with Democrats on bipartisan proposals to put more Americans back to work.”

Ah, but that’s just it, Mr. Hoyer. Regulations do deter hiring — even before they take effect. Whether we’re talking about Obamacare or EPA regulations, new requirements on businesses don’t exactly incentivize hiring — and often cost existing jobs. As one of The Hill commenters asked, does Hoyer think businesses don’t create five-or-10-year plans that take into account the costs of impending regulations?

Compliance takes time and, thus, money away from businesses — money that could be used to hire workers. It’s really not that complicated: Every hour a business’ employee spends deciphering regulations or filling out paperwork is an hour that employee doesn’t do something else — something more productive — for the business. This video from the GOP side of the House Financial Services Committee makes the point simply and beautifully. Hoyer will dismiss it because it comes from the Republican side — but can he rebut its simple common sense?

Beyond that, let’s talk for a minute about the politics of this. The House has already passed the 15 bills its leaders are begging the Senate to consider. So far, no piece of the president’s jobs proposal has passed the Democratically-controlled Senate. Sure, Republicans are opposed to it — but do Democrats know how to whip or don’t they? Do they know how to reach across the aisle or don’t they? The president says he’s touring the country to rally support. Presumably, he hopes the American people will alert their legislators about the importance of the AJA. His tour has maybe improved the image of the AJA in the abstract — but, so far, he hasn’t had nearly the success he had in the summer, when he begged voters to call Congress to clamor for a debt ceiling deal and the American people responded by clogging the phone lines. So maybe it’s time for him to come home and start talking directly to the Republicans and Democrats whose votes he needs to pass his bill. If he’s so convinced it will create jobs, why take the risk of it not passing? In the meantime, House Republicans are right to keep hammering the #Forgotten15. Again, they’ve already passed the House. Why won’t the Senate at least take a look at them?


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Powerful video.

ButterflyDragon on October 26, 2011 at 6:09 PM

I’m a little confused… what does this have to do with Jimmy Huntsman?

El_Terrible on October 26, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Where have I seen this photo before??

fiatboomer on October 26, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Republicans also want us to drink dirty water and breathe dirty air.

a capella on October 26, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Didn’t one of the HA people defend Steny when I was critical of him?

This is an example of his work.

IlikedAUH2O on October 26, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Every Republican Senator and Presidential candidate should be hammering this home…. every debate should see this brought up.

Elbar on October 26, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Got a nice set of choppers.

a capella on October 26, 2011 at 6:18 PM

I’m a little confused… what does this have to do with Jimmy Huntsman?

El_Terrible on October 26, 2011 at 6:12 PM

You’d better quit making fun of Ken Huntsman!

annoyinglittletwerp on October 26, 2011 at 6:19 PM

test

Spathi on October 26, 2011 at 6:20 PM

I’m a little confused… what does this have to do with Jimmy Huntsman?

El_Terrible on October 26, 2011 at 6:12 PM

You’d better quit making fun of Ken Huntsman!

annoyinglittletwerp on October 26, 2011 at 6:19 PM

There is no Eric Huntsman…!

Seven Percent Solution on October 26, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Republicans also want us to drink dirty water and breathe dirty air.

a capella on October 26, 2011 at 6:14 PM

And violate precious bodily fluids……don’t forget the fluids.

BobMbx on October 26, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Every hour a business’ employee spends deciphering regulations or filling out paperwork is an hour that employee doesn’t do something else — something more productive — for the business.

No, not something more productive — something productive at all. Complying with government regulations does nothing whatsoever to further production or services. Some government regulation may be necessary (though surely not the Leviathan extant today!), but none of it helps production. At best it’s a necessary burden; at worst it’s a nation-killer.

It’s perverse when you think about it. For example, the Obama EPA is working overtime to come up with ever more burdensome emission restrictions (not to mention the granddaddy of them all, CO2). Every minute they work is paid for by the taxpayers. Business loses time and production complying with these regulations. Those are reflected in higher prices, which are paid for by the taxpayers. The businesses hire lobbyists to try like heck to avert the worst of the Obama damage. Those lobbyists cost money, which go to the bottom line, which the taxpayers pay. The legislators fight over trying to rein in the EPA, as the taxpayers pay for their efforts. The EPA sues businesses and individuals to force compliance with their ever more ridiculous regulations. Those EPA lawyers are paid for by the taxpayers; the judges and court system they litigate in are paid for by the taxpayers; and business incurs even more expense fighting in court — which the taxpayers ultimately pay.

In short, the taxpayers pay over and over and over again for the vanity and meddlesomeness of the Obama Administration. The regulatory scheme should be criminal. Instead, it’s Democratic policy (pace Steny Hoyer).

Zumkopf on October 26, 2011 at 6:32 PM

It’d be interesting to see summaries of the 15 side-by-side.

Jinxed on October 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Which economists has Hoyer been speaking to? Because The Count from Sesame Street, and Gore, aren’t exactly tops in the field.

capejasmine on October 26, 2011 at 6:37 PM

I can’t think of a bigger waste of time and taxpayer money than buying $70K worth of Obama books. But we did it anyway, didn’t we?

ctmom on October 26, 2011 at 6:38 PM

This is the only Huntsman I know.

BobMbx on October 26, 2011 at 6:38 PM

a capella on October 26, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Which is better than the DEMs burn our food to fuel our cars and breath dirty water…they are DROWNING us in debt…money flushed down the toilet if you will.

RedLizard64 on October 26, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Perhaps Mr Hoyer’s time would be better spent if he got his fat ass back to work in the Senate and helped PASS A BUDGET!

GarandFan on October 26, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Somebody get Hoyer a clown car he really needs one.

Notice how he relies on the lefty crutch of environmental issues.

When they have no real argument to support their agenda they reach for it just like a race card as if it heals all wounds.

So tell me wisened one how does rolling back a not yet implemented regulation roll back environmental protecting as your argument states?

Full disclosure I am for clean air but I don’t buy into the idea we have to have immaculate air.

The marginal cost for the last small percentage just doesn’t make sense on any standpoint except for being used as a crutch to pass laws that have only an indirect attachment to that issue.

CommentGuy on October 26, 2011 at 7:13 PM

Steny baby, those Republicans surely do love that dirty water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqKHqWaTv9g

The better to disguise your dirty politics, pal.

onlineanalyst on October 26, 2011 at 7:15 PM

We’re failing on setting the narrative but it looks like they are trying…how is it that the House Reps have this handy little card so easily but us who are the persuaders to those around us don’t have it in our hot little hands to flash at liberals everytime they open their mouths and whine about obstructionism?

RedLizard64 on October 26, 2011 at 7:16 PM

I would have to research back a bit but we are getting close to the point that our own environmental requirements are pushing us to the area we will have to suck out of our air the pollution other countries are the cause of which is much worse than the cross border regulations the EPA wants to harness states with.

Yeah we didn’t do it but we gotta clean it up.

Almost as welcome as having to clean up your front steps in NYC because some OWS type took a dump there.

CommentGuy on October 26, 2011 at 7:18 PM

The businesses hire lobbyists to try like heck to avert the worst of the Obama damage.

How terrible- under Bush those lobbyists were working for the EPA and writing legislation.

It’s a myth that new government regulations are stifling growth- that belief comes from people who fail to recognize the nature of our country’s current recession and simply like to blame the government for everything rather than accepting some measure of personal responsibility.

Believe it or not, countries across the Western world such as Germany and Finland with lower unemployment rates and more regulation. Yes, regulation is a burden but it’s no solution to the real problems stifling economic growth.

Some companies are actually using this opportunity to grow and expend their businesses in order to capture even more market share when the economy recovers. But unfortunately, most corporations today are sitting on a mountain of cash and refusing to invest it until consumer demand returns.

http://www.businessinsider.com/thank-you-amazon-2011-10

bayam on October 26, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Perhaps Mr Hoyer’s time would be better spent if he got his fat ass back to work in the Senate and helped PASS A BUDGET!

GarandFan on October 26, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Steny is in the House. He and Pelosi have grappled in the past for the Speaker’s chair in a contest of wills and through a payback of favors.

onlineanalyst on October 26, 2011 at 7:35 PM

bayam on October 26, 2011 at 7:32 PM

The argument that because a company can exist or even grow in an even more ludicrous regulation environment does not even come close to being evidence that regulations and the threat of regulations do not stifle job growth.

Slowburn on October 27, 2011 at 5:01 AM

…does Hoyer think businesses don’t create five-or-10-year plans that take into account the costs of impending regulations?

How the hell would Hoyer know? Like many – if not most – career Democrats,he’s worked in government since his college days. Any knowledge he has of business practices is either theoretical or second-hand.

Paul_in_NJ on October 27, 2011 at 5:39 PM

@bayam: under Bush those lobbyists were working for the EPA and writing legislation.

If you don’t think that, right now, lobbyists are not helping the Democrats write legislation, you’re either ignorant, or hopelessly naive. “Reg-neg” hit its peak when the Democrats ruled Congress for 40 years. Let me be perfectly clear: Both parties do it. And given that too many Congressfolk have never held a private-sector job, that’s better than laws written in ignorance… like, say, ObamaCare.

It’s a myth that new government regulations are stifling growth

Um, no. There’s this government agency that actually puts a price tag on regulations from agencies including the EPA:

The cost of new regulations, however, can be tracked, and it is growing substantially. Following record increases in fiscal year (FY) 2010, regulatory burdens have continued to increase in 2011. Overall, from the beginning of the Obama Administration to mid-FY 2011, regulators have imposed $38 billion in new costs on the American people, more than any comparable period on record.

…It should be noted that the additional costs [of recent EPA regulations] include $1.8 billion annually for compliance, and one-time implementation expenses of $5.2 billion, stemming from new emissions limits on industrial and commercial boilers and incinerators.

Looks like you can kiss off that job application to Mythbusters.

Believe it or not, countries across the Western world such as Germany and Finland

Industries grow despite regulation, not because of it. But, hey, if you know better, trot out some cites.

Paul_in_NJ on October 27, 2011 at 6:08 PM