Video: “The Man” 1, Occupy Oakland 0; Update: Protesters try to re-enter park
posted at 9:04 pm on October 25, 2011 by Allahpundit
Playing the part of “The Man” in this evening’s performance is Oakland’s Democratic mayor Jean Quan, who sent in cops in riot gear to clear the park early this morning. Her statement:
Many Oaklanders support the goals of the national Occupy Wall Street movement. We maintained daily communication with the protest0rs in Oakland.
However, over the last week it was apparent that neither the demonstrators nor the City could maintain safe or sanitary conditions, or control the ongoing vandalism. Frank Ogawa Plaza will continue to be open as a free speech area from 6 am to 10 pm.
We want to thank the police, fire, public works and other employees who worked over the last week to peacefully close the encampment. We also thank the majority of the protestors who peacefully complied with city officials.
An NBC crew on the scene reported that the operation was “smooth” and that there was mercifully little violence apart from some pushing and shoving during the arrests. That’s a welcome surprise: Occupy Oakland was the gold standard among the “Occupy” franchises for, er, “direct action,” with one local cop describing the tent city as something out of “Lord of the Flies.” Breitbart TV kept tabs on them via local news reports; scroll through the archives and relive the revolutionary excitement of reporters being warned not to enter the “commune” by a guy with a bandana over his mouth. Zombie went down there a few days ago to take pictures of the encampment. Follow the link to see what the media’s last, best hope for middle America looks like in action.
Meanwhile, new from the Times:
Obligatory caveat: The sample is 35D/25R/34I, which is a smidge more lopsided towards Democrats than usual. Even so, that’s an interesting result in two ways. One: People like what they think OWS stands for but they’re unsure about OWS itself, with a plurality saying they “haven’t heard enough” to form an opinion. How can you know whether you like a group’s ideas when you don’t know much about the group? Could be that people are simply reading their own grievances about bailouts and greedy bankers into the group’s name and assuming that its agenda must be middle-class and mainstream. If they saw reports like Zombie’s, they might think differently — but of course, they haven’t seen many reports like Zombie’s yet, have they? I make a living reading and writing about news/commentary and in the past month, among scores of OWS pieces I’ve read, the only left-wing take I’ve seen that’s been meaningfully critical of the movement’s fringe underpinnings was TNR’s editorial a few weeks ago. Two: The fact that relatively few people have formed an opinion about OWS means the left may still have a window to try to mainstream the movement, but the window’s going to close as the media is compelled to report on bad behavior. The last thing press sympathizers want to cover is a Democratic mayor evicting protesters due to destructive behavior but they’re forced to cover that tonight in Oakland and may be forced to cover it in Atlanta soon enough. Plus, the movement’s numbers are bound to shrink in the near term as the weather turns cold, which makes for an awfully bad “this thing’s taking off!” narrative. If Democrats wanted to get populist traction with an anti-Wall Street movement, they should have done it earlier this year and built it with a middle-class nucleus. Ah well — something to shoot for next spring as The One’s re-election campaign starts rolling.
Via Verum Serum and Zombie, here’s video of this morning’s crackdown in Oakland.
Update: Mayor Quan to the courtesy phone, please:
Group members say after stopping at the Glenn E. Dyer Detention Facility in downtown Oakland, the approximately 500 marchers plan to continue on to Frank Ogawa Plaza.
“We are going to march and reclaim what was already ours, what we call Oscar Grant Plaza and what they call City Hall,” one marcher said.
Early Tuesday, the city ousted protesters who had camped out for two weeks in a tent city at the plaza in front of City Hall. Police started assembling around the tent city at 14th Street and Broadway at about 3 a.m. Half a day later, the protesters are not going quietly.
Shortly before 5 p.m., about 500 people blocked 14th Street in both directions, chanting “power to the people, and then marching through downtown.
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Please define freedom, triple.
What is freedom?
Is is doing whatever you want to do, however you want to do it and whenever you want it done? Or is it that every one is equal in every thing?
What is freedom?
Freedom must have a basis, or it means nothing because it will mean anything. So, when you state that you want freedom for everyone, you have to define what freedom is.
Maybe this is why the OWS crowd is doing nothing more than making noise. They’re all living in their own secluded world, speaking their own private language.
Skidd on October 26, 2011 at 12:26 AM
Concentrate on the conversation, triple. We’re talking about the living breathing human waste at the OWS sites and you’re debating about how there are no opportunities in American even though you have a career in your chosen field.
Discuss.
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM
So why do you want 100% loan forgiveness for college students?
Wait, let me guess, you’ll say that’s a “fringe” aspect of OWS even though every single protest video so far has at least two or three college students asking someone else to pay their tuition/forgive their student loans.
Face it, you are allied with a bunch of dopes.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 12:28 AM
Well katy, while I trust 99% of the commenters on hotair, there is that 1% in which the prospect of personal retaliation for an unpopular opinion comes to mind, and I’m simply uncomfortable with the thought of being harassed by political extremists.
You can ask me questions about photoshop all day if you want me to “prove” I can design worth a shit.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 12:29 AM
If we had 50% unemployment there’d be a lot more than mere societal breakdown….and, no, 50% of the people would not have jobs.
Perhaps 50% of those who were adults, and had necessary skills, who could actually produce tangible necessary articles…machines, products, raw materials and other items required to maintain their own lives or were demanded by those with the wherewithal to purchase or barter those items, maybe they would have “jobs.”
coldwarrior on October 26, 2011 at 12:30 AM
I feel (I feel)
Triple is (Triple is)
Allah’s sock puppet (Allah’s sock puppet)
Ted Torgerson on October 26, 2011 at 12:31 AM
Saaaay!!! You wouldn’t happen to be the dude that used to work at Cisco in Cali and decided to come back home and start a web design business?
If so, yeah, at least once a week I hear you get on the local talk show right after Limbaugh, kvetching about how ignorant the local businesses are for not hiring you and instead using a DYI template or a cheap alternative. And the horrors of the larger businesses that outsource the designing to India. Heh! Every time I hear you rant, I get the urge to call in with a cluestick.
Get real. If something is commoditized, there is no ‘wealth’ in it, unless you have economies of scale. Just face it, you picked the wrong business model. But instead of reevaluating and choosing a new line of work, you rant about how unfair life is that you can’t make a living hand weaving against the giant mechanized looms. Whatevs.
AH_C on October 26, 2011 at 12:31 AM
I don’t. But college loans are predatory. The federal government guarantees the loan, the bank that owns the debt sells it to a collections agency (within the company), collects from the govt., and then collects the debt again from the collections. Total scam.
Bankruptcy does not help you. And tuition for that matter is skyrocketing.
But that’s another story :)
triple on October 26, 2011 at 12:31 AM
It takes work to get where I am.
You assume a lot. Didn’t you just chastise me for that?
And son, you would have had to have done a lot in your community in your few short years on Earth to have done more than my family in the Fayetteville NC area for community service. I’d put my volunteer work up against any of yours.
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 12:32 AM
Don’t forget commies and nazis.
spinach.chin on October 26, 2011 at 12:32 AM
No, not really, it’s just a really stupid rhetorical tack. Sort of like the “1% is controlling 99%!1!!” fallacy.
The whiny college kids who are buried in debt because they took out loans to get worthless degrees? Yeah, that’s pretty much their own fault. College isn’t a right. If you can’t afford it, maybe you shouldn’t go. If you need to go into debt to get a degree, maybe you should make sure you get one that’s in high demand.
I’m not saying no one should get English or Philosophy or Art History degrees, but if that’s what you want to study, don’t cry about a bad job market.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 12:35 AM
triple, NONE of us are unsympathetic with working people laid-off and out of work.
You’re just ‘fishing’ for an outrageous response when you say that kind of stuff.
Our biggest diagreement seems to be around the following premise;
Government isn’t the solution to the problem, government is the problem.
listens2glenn on October 26, 2011 at 12:36 AM
lol GSB+. You’re too kind or unwilling to unleash the profanity riddled torrent of names I think these people warrant.
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 12:36 AM
I volunteer 3 days a week at a dog shelter. I also do work for and donate work to charities, like the american heart association piece I’m doing. I never asked for recognition, and I certainly don’t brag about it in a comment thread.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 12:36 AM
Both wrong. Money is the problem.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 12:37 AM
FIFY.
xblade on October 26, 2011 at 12:38 AM
Really?
Perhaps a lot of this could have been avoided had those taking the loans (no one was forced to take out any loans) would have decided instead to seek cheaper educational opportunities? Perhaps look into the trades while still going for a degree from any number of non-traditional sources, or even getting a degree from a legit brick and mortar college which are more than willing to work with adults who are willing to work?
Or maybe seeking education and training in areas that are far more lucrative and offer a panoply of opportunity than gender studies or theater or ethnic studies?
But most of all, not assuming more debt than one can handle at any given time?
Pay the loan as required, there is no scamming.
Screw around with the loan (and the financial institution that provided the loan ) and one is required to pay the piper.
It works that way in the real world.
coldwarrior on October 26, 2011 at 12:39 AM
It is not, and never has been.
Money is a thing. It has no agenda.
Politicians do.
spinach.chin on October 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM
For the record, art history degrees are harder than you people think. It is not a cakewalk.
My art history prof in college was, by far, one of the most intelligent people I’ve ever met.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM
I don’t either until someone accuses me of not doing anything for my fellow man. So, you accused me, I answered with what I do. I asserted you didn’t do as much, (and it sounds like you don’t) and you asserted what you do. We’re even, huh?
This debate stuff is hard isn’t it?
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM
Idiots like you are the problem.
xblade on October 26, 2011 at 12:41 AM
You have an art degree but do web design?
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 12:41 AM
Man takes out a loan to get a degree in widget building.
Man finds out 3 years in widgets were replaced by something better.
Man is still responsible for (now) useless degree.
People can just be unlucky. There is personal responsibility and then there is just bad circumstances.
You need to accept that.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 12:42 AM
Art history degree.
coldwarrior on October 26, 2011 at 12:42 AM
There are so many ways of interpreting that statement, you’re going to have to expound a little further.
listens2glenn on October 26, 2011 at 12:43 AM
Smaller, less powerful government means less room for those nefarious ‘monied interests’ to bias the process. Plus, smaller government is actually an achievable goal. It’s not a complete pipe dream like “all money out of politics.”
Let’s go back to wampum. I can get my name on the ballot if I pay you three cows and twenty seashells.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 12:44 AM
BTW. My one brother is a pretty smart guy and a very good businessman. He tried the web-design route and said it was dead-end and no great source of money. He did say it left him a lot of time to volunteer though in the Savannah GA area. Maybe you know him?
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 12:45 AM
Any design major is an art major. Web design kinda falls into a grey area. I’m more into graphic design, photography, but I’m capable of building a solid website. Most of my work is marketing pieces.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 12:45 AM
And an art degree won’t buy you a meal unless you can commercialize it. Even then, art tends to be a matter of having the “it” factor which a degree can’t imbue. About the only thing it can do is get you tenure so you can milk the next generation of dreamers.
AH_C on October 26, 2011 at 12:45 AM
Ah, I see. Still, I might have considered the Computer Science department at Penn State more appropriate if I were leaning towards web design.
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 12:46 AM
You do know that running your own business is “taking chances”? You wouldn’t be the guy with 4 kids and 3 pit bulls looking to rent one of my properties?
Your wife told me that your credit was in the ’200′s ( never ever saw that,ever). and hers is in the low 400′s. But you are great tenants.
Never mind you don’t have even the first month’s rent. It can all be worked out.
I am not kidding. I had to listen to this today and remain calm in front of those children.
katy the mean old lady on October 26, 2011 at 12:47 AM
You need to accept that it isn’t the government’s job to mete out benefits in the service of evening out “luck” and flattening the playing field.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 12:47 AM
Well enough beatig the pinata, I wanna know how the neo-hippies are doing against the Oakland PD!
C’mon, who’s got a sports update?!
cane_loader on October 26, 2011 at 12:47 AM
Wow, that’s great. So, your beef must be that the college loans are killing you?
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM
I’m not saying it’s a monetary success story. But money isn’t everything.
You either teach or you work at a museum. It’s pretty simple.
That said, art history majors are NEVER boring conversationalists, and they get laid constantly.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM
triple on October 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM
trip…i’m late to this conversation, but you mentioned something about predatory lending. Do you know why university inflation is higher than even healthcare inflation?
r keller on October 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM
Unlucky people didn’t need ‘government solutions’ to resolve their problems before this all started with FDR, and ‘government solutions’ today are holding all law abiding people in bondage bigtime.
listens2glenn on October 26, 2011 at 12:49 AM
Yeah, I’d be willing to bet the person who designed this site is nothing like you, lol. For one, they apparently know how to get work.
xblade on October 26, 2011 at 12:49 AM
I’m sure he was. That doesn’t mean art history is a high-demand degree, or that it’s harder to get than EECS or Physics.
BTW, I pretty much sleepwalked through my only art history class and got an A. Which reminds me, I’d love to visit the Orsanmichele one of these days.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 12:50 AM
Outside of the hard sciences, engineering and medicine, well over half of the degree holders work outside their chosen area of degree within 10 years of graduation.
Being able to prob,lem solve, work without supervision, innovate, lead, help one’s we
For most, inemployer realize a profit, cut costs and expand…those are values a mere degree cannot, ever, guarantee.
A college degree, a liberal arts degree in particular, is not a guarantee of a job. Never has been. Hence, the liberal arts moniker. Liberal arts is a broad base tour d’horizon to enable a person to discover the world, and particular facets of that world, in an academic setting.
If anyone is fool enough to believe that a liberal arts degree is sufficient to guarantee employment…well, naiveté is a kind word to use.
coldwarrior on October 26, 2011 at 12:50 AM
Okay, I get what you’re saying.
People don’t deserve bailouts.
So let me ask you whyyyyy we are giving them to big business? Why are we subsidizing oil, of all industries? Why are we doing this?
You’re saying the people should just shut up and accept it, but businesses.. what. Why the double standard, here?
triple on October 26, 2011 at 12:51 AM
..now there REALLY IS no “There” there..
The War Planner on October 26, 2011 at 12:51 AM
AHA, welcome to the Tea Party.
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 12:53 AM
Didn’t know I needed a degree to Photoshop, HTML/CSS, XML, write subroutines and all that. I thot all I needed was to have an interest in a skillset, read up on it and experiment. I guess that’s why Gates, Jobs and all them other legends had to get a degree. Wait…, nevermind.
AH_C on October 26, 2011 at 12:53 AM
The people behind OWS are practically marketing geniuses.
5 weeks ago they were laughed at.
Now they have a special on CNN, the president’s backing, and a good chunk of public opinion.
Just saying!
triple on October 26, 2011 at 12:53 AM
Yup. For the record, both of my majors were in the humanities, and I was working outside my field of study within less than a year. First job I got out of school had nothing to do with my degree.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 12:54 AM
Changes the subject, but- GO LIONS!
listens2glenn on October 26, 2011 at 12:54 AM
Has all the possibilities of becoming a true Libertarian, this one.
coldwarrior on October 26, 2011 at 12:54 AM
There’s a full schedule of riots planned:
May: G20/NATO riots in Chicago
August: Riots in Tampa, FL
Sept: Riots in Charlotte, NC
And I heard that OWS is planning their own convention somewhere, sometime, in July, so you can expect riots then, too.
Blake on October 26, 2011 at 12:54 AM
I would join the tea party if they weren’t filled with social conservatives.
It went from an economic movement to a social one. No thanks.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 12:54 AM
bingo. lots of conservatives are wondering the same thing. GE for example. Wind, solar. ok, i’ll give you the the oil stuff if you give me the subsidies of ‘alternative energy’
but, wrt banks, you’ll have to be very precise in what you say.
r keller on October 26, 2011 at 12:56 AM
Then wallow in the filty incolherent message of the Socialists, Marxists and Communists of the OWS “Bowel” Movement.
And you know
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 12:56 AM
How many “tea party” events have you actually attended?
coldwarrior on October 26, 2011 at 12:56 AM
You’re fudging the timeline. 5 weeks ago they were being taken seriously. Now they’re being laughed at, and their polling is going down. Even a 35/25 D/R sample only managed a 25 to 20 favorable split. That’s hardly a broadly accepted movement.
In those 5 weeks we’ve had tent cities, inter-class warfare over drum circles, rapes, and tons of hilarious video of people babbling. Oh, and we still don’t have any official policy positions or legislative proposals that could be considered as endorsed by OWS. Brilliant marketing, man.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 12:57 AM
Um no, the media has been cheer leading OWS and glossing over all sorts of bad stuff going on with them from day one. The president’s backing? Yeah, he sees all those Marxists and feels at home. This is that “citizen army” he alluded to…
The real unsung heroes are in the Tea Party who the media has hated and libeled since day one and naturally could never get the presidents backing, because he’s not at all ideologically aligned with them.
Sharr on October 26, 2011 at 12:58 AM
I don’t doubt their qualifications as marketing geniuses.
But the the folks at CNN and the White House are all ONE OF THEM, for the love of Pete!
listens2glenn on October 26, 2011 at 12:59 AM
Just when I tought I couldn’t laugh any harder.
Child, unless you are female and really naive?
Not in a Saigon whorehome with a fist full of fifties.
katy the mean old lady on October 26, 2011 at 12:59 AM
At Occupy Oakland they had a sign praising Lovelle Mixon, who was a serial rapist of women and children and murdered four Oakland Police Officers. I hope some of their hippie heads got cracked…
Blake on October 26, 2011 at 1:00 AM
Why are we bailing out businesses? Because rampant cronyism created “too big to fail,” it created this incestuous relationship between big government and big business.
What’s the most realistic, actually plausible way to fix that problem? Not anarchy. Not “an end to money in politics,” or abolishing money. Shrinking government. It’s really that simple. Small, less powerful government means less room for big business to lobby for influence.
So, like hawk said…welcome to the Tea Party. We’ll try not to get our religion germs on you.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 1:00 AM
check it out
http://www.teapartypatriots.org/
http://www.freedomworks.org/
r keller on October 26, 2011 at 1:01 AM
#OWS doesn’t pretend to have all the answers.
Maybe it’s not something we can fix.
But we know who’s responsible, and we’re out for justice. And we’ll figure it out.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 1:03 AM
Throughout history there have been national leaders who have depended upon the “frustration” of the younger citizens to enable them to take power and maintain it.
In the end, such movements have failed. Be it Lenin or Ghadaffi, Mao or Mengistu…there is more to being a free Man than being part of a “movement.”
The pseudo-anarchy of the type shown by OWS, and their being led by hucksters, and officially supported by the Huckster in Chief, is not going to lead anywhere good for the long term…and not the short run either by the looks of things.
“What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine” is no way to win.
Might just lose your $5000 laptop to a less fortunate, or far more cunning, comrade.
coldwarrior on October 26, 2011 at 1:03 AM
Uh…not even going to comment on that.
You realize most art history majors look like this guy, right? No chick is going anywhere near that.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 1:04 AM
I should also point out the fact we’re even having this debate means the protests are working exactly as planned.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 1:04 AM
Why is money the problem?
csdeven on October 26, 2011 at 1:04 AM
And you know … (Premature comment launch)
you’re typical of the incolherent and ironically misguided message of Occupy “insert”. You say that opportunities aren’t here in American, but you claim to be the son of a Building Contractor who got to go to college and gets to work in his “CHOSEN FIELD” and is happy at what you do.
lolwut? (HT RachW)
What is your point?
These people want it for free. They want what you have (like your RC Truck) but aren’t willing to work and drive their own happy azz down to the hobby store to buy one. They think you’re priveledged to have one and want yours.
And the other comment …
No, you need to accept that a hugh chunk of your generation wants the freaking world handed to them on their couch as they sit in the Mom and Dad’s basement playing X-Box with their friends across the country. Meanwhile, poor mom and pop are struggling to pay that outrageous internet bill that said X-Box 360 is costing them.
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 1:05 AM
But you see, you don’t. you’ve chosen the wrong target. Its government meddling in the private sector that causes problems. The private sector would be on equal ground if the government didn’t meddle and over regulate.
Remove government overreach and many things would get better.
Sharr on October 26, 2011 at 1:05 AM
I don’t know what art history majors you’ve met. That guy wouldn’t last past the first exam.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 1:06 AM
Barney Frank? Chris Dodd? Haven’t seen very many OWS peeps protesting those two.
But hey, you may not have any solutions, or even proposed solutions, but you’re going to get justice! String up some of those “Zionist Banksters” in the public square, fill up on bread and circuses, then everyone can go back to their boring lives.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 1:06 AM
No, we’re having our daily, “what a joke these freaks are … ” discussion.
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 1:06 AM
There’s probably more than just triple here who’s going to disagree with this, BUT- Economics cannot be separated from so-called ‘social morality’.
Social morality is just as mathematical as economics.
Hows that for hijacking the thread?!
listens2glenn on October 26, 2011 at 1:06 AM
well, trip, you never answered my question wrt university costs
the college adminstration has grown many fold over the last 20 years…professors…not so much. the teacher/student ratio has actually gone up a little…but there’s been a huge amount of featherbedding.
in order to fund the featherbedding they need ‘cannon fodder’…that’s where you come in…well, you and your government loans, stipends, grants, etc. etc. etc.
r keller on October 26, 2011 at 1:07 AM
You have a plan? Explain please.
katy the mean old lady on October 26, 2011 at 1:08 AM
This chick will date him.
csdeven on October 26, 2011 at 1:09 AM
That’s absurd, and really hawk – go down to your local protest. We promise not to sell you drugs. You’d probably look like a cop anyway.
You’d be surprised at the difference between real life and what you see on television.
The day I went I was insanely optimistic for our country. A lot of people were honking, tons of support.. no problems whatsoever. The camp was clean, respectful of the police, and debate was friendly.
The next day the boston herald said we apparently rallied for an accused terrorist.
Turns out half a dozen people showed up in tshirts (to a 500 person rally) and the herald focused on that. And now we’re all terrorists, apparently.
This is why I seriously suggest, even if you DISAGREE, just go down, and see for yourself.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 1:09 AM
Not the ones you’ve met on Second Life, or in Bizarro World, or wherever it is that art history majors are suave, silver-tongued polymaths that do nothing but get mad trim.
I can only imagine you are currently on drugs so hard that even Hunter S. Thompson would decline to join you.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 1:10 AM
Planned? As planned? I was led to believe that these were all spontaneous. All reflecting the frustrations of a downtrodden people seeking justice…or some such drivel as that.
coldwarrior on October 26, 2011 at 1:11 AM
I will say, I’ve not seen any OWS postings in my Facebook feed this week. Which at first I thought was a fluke… but the trend is holding out.
G+ is different, as I’m circles of various writers and assorted people inclined toward Leftist causes. Though even there, its a bit more gone from the feed.
Sharr on October 26, 2011 at 1:12 AM
No, not really. The part of the debate that matters (ending bailouts, shrinking the influence of a few lobbying groups on Washington) was already being discussed long before #OWS.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM
lol, try massachusetts?
aside from drinking a fair bit I’ve never touched drugs.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM
BTW. Occupy Oakland is getting an o-chlorobenzylidene malononitrile upper nasal colonic as we speak.
Party on Garth!
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 1:14 AM
listens2glenn on October 26, 2011 at 1:06 AM
you are correct about that…and that is why one of the three pillars of marxism is philosophical materialism…or as Lenin said:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/mar/x01.htm
r keller on October 26, 2011 at 1:15 AM
Duh, cuz teh Zionist Banksters have all teh moniesz. It’s not, like, fair, and junk.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 1:15 AM
CAUGHT ON TAPE — BILL AYERS Teaches Revolutionary Theory to Young Leftists at Occupy Chicago
I’m pretty sure this terrorist never showed up at a Tea Party…
Why are all these haters hearing a clarion call to #OWS? Couldn’t be the message they’re sending could it?
Sharr on October 26, 2011 at 1:16 AM
Yeah. That’s all well when one is young, dumb and full of c*m, then one day you wake up and say “Well? How did I get here? …” SS is by then broke and beyond repair and you have nothing to tide you over. Know what? OWS is just an dem astroturfed machine. They’re using the same Playbook that is the genesis of the KKK — class warfare.
I’m more impressed with those who sorta think like you, but live it by going up to Prince William Sound, AK, and live off the land, sea and off the grid 24/7/365 for the rest of their lives. I’m talking squatting and building a shack from scraps and roughing eveything. Talk about intelligent conversations, seriously, and typically have the degrees and pedigrees to back it up, yet they choose to live this way. Maybe you outta give that a shot.
AH_C on October 26, 2011 at 1:17 AM
Just got a call from a friend. Apparently the local occupy group just sort of disappeared. A banner or two is still hanging up, but the occupiers have all gone. Tents and sleeping bags, too. It started to rain about an hour ago. None of the local bars/clubs would let non-paying nor under-age in the door…and unwashed muddy and wet one’s need not even think about it.
Whatever happened to “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country…”
Temperature hits 45 degrees and there goes the movement.
On that note, time to hit the sheets.
Got to earn an income…make a profit…tomorrow.
coldwarrior on October 26, 2011 at 1:18 AM
I don’t think anyone is upset rich people are rich. I also don’t want their money.
I’m a little upset at the basic income disparity, though. The “gap”, if you will.
That’s not resolved by taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor, that’s resolved by paying people enough to get by in their daily lives and not outsourcing to india.
http://i.imgur.com/pqJo2.jpg
Check that out. Yeah, it’s that big.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 1:18 AM
First, I would hate to get any on me.
Second, I get pretty uptight around opening practicing Communists, Socialists and marxists. Now that David Duke and the KKK are there to represent too, I’m afraid I just wouldn’t have much to talk about with them.
Nice propaganda though acting like there isn’t stories of rape, theft, drugs, sexual abuse, witness threatening even making it out of that mess by the liberal main stream media.
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 1:20 AM
Why would I ever try Massachusetts? Between obnoxious elitist hipster douches (the aforementioned art history majors from those fine Boston colleges who, contra your experience, usually tend more towards ‘pompous windbag’ than ‘magnetic, charming, engaging conversationalist’) and trashy, incomprehensible, dumber than a lunchbox full of granite Red Sox fans and their terrible accents, I’d give myself a shotgun enema within a week if I actually had to live in that chowder-eating, Kennedy-worshipping cesspool.
No offense to our fine New England conservatives, of course. That’s just one man’s opinion. :)
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 1:20 AM
Wow, a jpg with a misleading Socialist/maxist lie. I may have to change my whole world view.
Try again.
hawkdriver on October 26, 2011 at 1:22 AM
Hooray for protectionist jingoism!
Do your OWS buddies know you’re being such a terrible imperialist, triple? Those poor Indians deserve American jobs to balance the cosmic scales of oppression.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 1:22 AM
Hahaha-that was worth staying up late for.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on October 26, 2011 at 1:23 AM
That’s a good reference.
I can’t keep going, so you third-shift people are gonna hafta take over here.
‘Night all.
listens2glenn on October 26, 2011 at 1:25 AM
Right, so don’t go. Free country and all that.
But do us a favor.
Stop talking about it like you know what’s going on.
You know what the media tells you. I believe that’s not the truth, and nowhere near the “full story”. Because of my beliefs? No – because I saw a different story on the ground from personal experience.
I’m telling you, person to person, maybe even as a fellow 99%er. It’s not the whole story.
You know damn well that CNN focused on the guy with the assault rifle at tea party rallies. Do you honestly think that’s a fair representation of what went on there? It’s the same thing.
So go, don’t go.
But know if you don’t, you’re uninformed. And you have only yourself to blame.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 1:25 AM
I’m not trying to tell you what to believe. Go there, make up your own damn mind.
Don’t sit at home watching fox and friends and consider yourself well-informed. You’re not.
triple on October 26, 2011 at 1:26 AM
Visited Occupy Cleveland. Talked with the locals. It was a joke.
You’d think given the fact that Cleveland is a city that has utterly failed in the face of 50+ years of backbreaking liberalism they might want to, I dunno, try something new? Nope. Just move the needle ever further to the left. Everything can be solved by newer, better big government.
Ohio took a step towards solvency with the PEU bill, but now we’re going to undo it by voting down Issue 2. People don’t want solutions. They don’t want change. They want to wallow in this mire, wade around some more in the mediocrity. After the red wave in 2010, I thought we had a chance to actually do something. It’s depressing.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 1:27 AM
Funny thing, having people who are willing to work, and not demand the moon and stars their first week….and how other nations have built themselves up over the past few decades. Madras, India, for example, is a lot more vibrant than Portland or Seattle or even Boston…expanding, huge and growing middle class, well-educated youth, a technical class who are among the best, bar none, in their chosen fields, all contributing, all earning and step by step changing the India of Kipling to the India of the 22nd Century…and they’ll get there before we will. Soon to the worlds’s largest consumer of petro-products…and they have nuke and green energy as well. Government takes care of governing. Business takes care of business. Funny how well that can work.
We’ve ossified ourselves, and allowed our educators to corrupt our youth and fill them with dreams of unicorns and skittles and self-esteem…while the rest of the world, the Third World especially, is more intent on working, dirty fingernails, callouses and skinned elbows, to be better than us. Used to be an impossible dream. Not any more, apparently.
coldwarrior on October 26, 2011 at 1:27 AM
FIFY. G’night
AH_C on October 26, 2011 at 1:31 AM
This isn’t from one CNN report. It’s from literally hundreds of citizen journalists who are going down to these movements and talking with the occupiers, interviewing them, tweeting/blogging the results.
Can you link me to all the positive OWS videos? Can you link me to the eloquent protestors who can rationally present their complaints and grievances and actually start working towards potential solutions? I don’t even care if they’re bad solutions, just something concrete, actual legislative language, specific proposals. Show me the concerned, well-informed, perfectly well-behaved, articulate occupiers who have been caught on film. We don’t live in a time where the MSM can obscure the truth. They can present a false or slanted narrative (the guy with the rifle, as you said), but only to low-information voters/viewers. There’s no barrier to entry anymore, triple. Link me to the cream of the OWS crop. Show me why I should lend any support to a movement that so far looks like a joke.
Good Solid B-Plus on October 26, 2011 at 1:32 AM
If you are trying to convince the group that you are not a socialist, then you need to stop being honest. That pic was the epitome of an argument for a socialist takeover of the country.
csdeven on October 26, 2011 at 1:33 AM
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