Romney: It’s my successor’s fault if illegal immigrants benefited from Romneycare

posted at 2:05 pm on October 24, 2011 by Tina Korbe

As Ed explained earlier this morning, the “bombshell” dropped by the Los Angeles Times today — that Romneycare provided health care to illegal immigrants who would not otherwise have had access to it — is less a bombshell than the LAT (or Romney’s competitors) would have us believe. Federal law requires emergency health care for illegal immigrants, but emergency care is inordinately expensive. If Romneycare provides illegals with access to cheaper clinical care, then, presumably, fewer taxpayer dollars go to health care for illegal immigrants in Massachusetts now than they did before Romneycare passed. But no GOP-er wants to hear that. So, that’s not the line Romney’s camp is taking on the topic. Political Ticker reports:

“Federal law requires emergency medical care for illegal immigrants. And if illegal immigrants are getting access to additional healthcare in Massachusetts, it’s liberal Gov. Deval Patrick that has made it easier for them to do so. All of the regulatory activities involving the Health Safety Net Fund, including who could get care, were made long after Mitt Romney left office,” said Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul. …

“Mitt Romney’s record on illegal immigration is clear: as governor, he vetoed an in-state tuition bill for illegal immigrants and authorized his state troopers to detain people based on their immigration status. On the other hand, liberal Gov. Patrick has the same position on illegal immigration as Rick Perry – he favors in-state tuition and reversed an executive order to detain illegal immigrants – and neither can be trusted to deal with such an important issue,” added Saul.

Whew. Fact is, both Romney and Perry are squishes on illegal immigration — but who can really blame them? When faced with the reality of a person in the country illegally, needing health care or wanting to attend college, it’s far more difficult to think of the rule of law than it is when considering the issue in the abstract. The issue of illegal immigration will reveal people’s inconsistencies if ever an issue will.

Conservatives tend to believe in natural law and natural rights. So, we necessarily think illegal immigrants have the same inalienable rights as any person. But we also tend to think of fewer government services as “rights.” Few conservatives will argue, for example, that government-provided health care or education are “rights,” for example. So, why should any state in the U.S. provide in-state tuition for illegals? Why should federal law require even emergency care for illegals without, at least, some repercussion? (Maybe emergency rooms could be authorized to check for legal status or something. They would still have to provide care — but could later turn the immigrant in to the proper authorities. Is that feasible in the context of emergency room care?) Conservatives are understandably upset when political leaders act as though these services are rights — and when leaders fail to see that the provision of these services to illegal immigrants will serve as incentives to enter the country illegally (and, thus, to erode the rule of law).

On some level, we have to win the debate about whether health care and education are “rights” before it will ever seem clear and easy for a governor to deny illegal immigrants either of them.

But, in all of this, both Romney and Perry have missed a key opportunity to pinpoint blame on the federal government (with just one exception that I can recall). If the federal government (a) secured the borders or (b) didn’t require consequence-free emergency health care for illegal immigrants, then Perry’s in-state tuition law would have been unnecessary and so would the shadier parts of health care provision for illegals under Romneycare.


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Now you went and made him hungry, and horne…Hey, that puppy is black! That’s racist!

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrracist Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrick Perry makes slaves of black dogs and forces them to obey his commands. lol

kg598301 on October 24, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Chip on October 24, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Rick Perry said it “It could get pretty ugly” I have no doubt whoever the republican nominee turns out to be, when they come up against the progressive left smear machine, Perry will be proven right. The progressives are keeping their powder dry.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 4:17 PM

juliesa on October 24, 2011 at 4:14 PM

And it should not go unnoticed amidst all the Texas-bashing.

Wonderful of you to help strangers that way, and very generous of Texans to make that effort.

capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 4:18 PM

The Mormon bashing alone by the Left will turn everyone’s stomachs, , and yes they will go there, they have no bottom.
Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 3:53 PM

HEH. You just alleged I was a Mormon because in your jackasserie you assumed as much yet you have the fracking gall to say the Left will be bashing Mormons?

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 4:18 PM

HEH. You just alleged I was a Mormon because in your jackasserie you assumed as much yet you have the fracking gall to say the Left will be bashing Mormons?

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Is it that time of the month? Are you having cramps?

So you think being a Mormon is a put down, check, I’ll file that with the rest of your opinions in the round file.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 4:20 PM

In the interest of full disclosure, I would actually prefer Romney to Perry. I think that Perry and Romney are both huge squishes on major issues. To me, that is immigration for Perry and healthcare for Romney. But I think that Perry would be weaker in other regards than Romney, and his lack of articulateness will be a detriment a) against Obama and b) if he were to be elected President.

I also look at it this way: We currently have Obamacare. Romney has promised to repeal it. We do NOT currently have a McCain/Graham type amnesty bill on the table, and my fear is that Perry will try to propose one. Call me traumatized by Bush/McCain, but politicians who are soft on illegal immigration scare me. It tells me something about their values that I don’t like.

I think a Romney/Cain ticket would be fine. I think Romney will be a capable executive if he is elected, and Cain would provided some much needed conservative credentials.

athenanyc on October 24, 2011 at 3:56 PM

Thanks for your reply. I was caught a little off guard about the idea that Romney is more conservative than Perry. Or that Perry is a squish on illegal immigration. I can certainly see supporting Romney just based on articulateness but Romney was moderate to liberal on every issue prior to his last year as of governor of Mass. Romney was pro-choice, for gun control, support carbon emission taxes, support gay marriage, the list goes on. As Rush said, Romney is just not a conservative and he can say he is but his past actions prove he isn’t.

I think that this is a huge problem between Perry and Cain supporters. I would feel more comfortable about supporting Cain if Cain, and apparently his supporters, were not so comfortable with Romney. If this is true Perry might have no choice but to go full retard on Cain.

Bill C on October 24, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Cain would be my second choice……maybe. I have the same concern as capitalist piglet and Bill C. Cain was quick to play the race card over the ‘rock’, but he was quick to take it back, but I’m wary. I still refrain from being too critical of Cain, but I’m dead set on stopping Romney. I will say, I won’t knowingly spread a lie about Mittens the way his followers do about Perry.

cartooner on October 24, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Wonderful of you to help strangers that way, and very generous of Texans to make that effort.

capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Well thanks. I think any Americans would step up to the plate, but it was a massive effort that’s largely been ignored by people who are eager to score points against red states for not being compassionate, and bigots who have mindless regional stereotypes stuck in their heads. The press does nothing but bash Texas (in order to help the Dems), but regardless of that we would help again without hesitation.

juliesa on October 24, 2011 at 4:24 PM

So you think being a Mormon is a put down
Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 4:20 PM

We know it’s certainly one of the Perry Pastor’s fave putdowns.

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 4:26 PM

capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 4:12 PM

At talking with AthenaNYC, I might have to take back my support for Cain as a Perry back up. It seems that Cain’s supporters will not have a problem with him caving to Romney later in the primaries.

Bill C on October 24, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Romney lies once again as it was on the site three days after he signed the bill about who was eligible. Once again the truth and Romney are not friends.

Must admit he has a lot of nerve going after anyone on illegals but when you are as arrogant as he is it makes no difference. He will say and do anything to get votes.

Thanks Fox News for not giving the whole story on Romney as Ailes and Rove push him.

PhiKapMom on October 24, 2011 at 4:30 PM

We know it’s certainly one of the Perry some Pastor’s that introduced Perry once fave putdowns.

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 4:26 PM

You are welcome…or do you like to lie?

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 4:30 PM

We know it’s certainly one of the Perry Pastor’s fave putdowns.

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Perry’s pastor? You know better, but I guess you just don’t care if it’s in the service of Master Mitt.

cartooner on October 24, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Is it that time of the month? Are you having cramps?
So you think being a Mormon is a put down, check, I’ll file that with the rest of your opinions in the round file.
Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 4:20 PM

GFY!

I think that assuming someone is a Mormon because they defend Romney is bigotry. You are now piling on with misogyny. I wish I had control of the ban hammer because while I would not wield it freely I would use it on you. You have spent the entire day making idiotic comments (like trying to blame Romney for Obama’s Aunt, for laws and policies not under his control, for things which happened in 1977) and when I respond with irrefutable facts to refute your dishonesty you use moronic Mormon-themed (and now crudely sexist) attacks.

You are clearly incapable of responding on the merits so that’s all you have. I almost feel sorry for you, you’re so pathetic.

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Thanks Fox News for not giving the whole story on Romney as Ailes and Rove push him.

PhiKapMom on October 24, 2011 at 4:30 PM

That has been annoying me to no end.

kg598301 on October 24, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Someone brings up the gay marriage lie. Some people have no shame.

swamp_yankee on October 24, 2011 at 4:43 PM

ATTENTION Dr. Evil.

Eat and digest this:

The HUD tally does not offer a full picture of how many illegal immigrants are in public housing.

It doesn’t include housing funded by state and local governments, where eligibility requirements vary. Massachusetts, where Obama’s aunt occupied one of about 50,000 state-funded units, doesn’t ask immigration status under a 1977 federal consent decree in a class-action lawsuit that prohibits the state from denying the benefit to illegal immigrants.

Onyango transferred to an apartment funded only by the state, which cannot ask about immigration status under the court order. In November, her attorney said she was staying with relatives in Cleveland and would fight her deportation order.

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 4:45 PM

So how does it hurt you if someone who’s been attending high school here legally gets a couple more years of education?
capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Well, their realistic choice is: They’re here illegally, and we have no deportation powers – so are they going to have a job skill, or not have a job skill?
capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 4:05 PM

So many false choices!

Part of the solution to both of these (and more) is to simply stop making so freaking attractive for them to come and stay here illegally.

How does it hurt for them to get a couple more years of education? Um, it costs taxpayers, thank you, both for their ‘legal’ K-12 attendance and then their in-state college attendance. I know – how about we stop doing that and help incent them to not come/stay here illegally in the first place? Imagine the education/healthcare/housing/other savings! Every little thing that’s done that makes them want to come/stay here “hurts” and adds up. And I saw your (I think it was yours) “it costs nothing incremental for them to go to college here” attempt at ‘reasoning’ – even if there were perhaps a total of 5 kids doing it there’s still incremental costs, wear and tear on facilities, etc – for *every* incremental kid. But how many are there – hundreds? Thousands? That equates to more teachers required than if the illegals weren’t in class. More maintenance, more infrastructure, more subsidized housing/meals undoubtedly, more public transportation required, etc.

It also ‘hurts’ from a “doing the right thing” perspective. We have immigration laws for a reason. If we don’t want to enforce them, then let’s do away with them – but let’s not keep them and then dishonestly come up with all kinds of ways to make it easy on them to be here ILLEGALLY. Our culture is rotting from making allowances and letting some people break some laws without consequence. We either have, observe and give a damn about ‘laws’ or we don’t – which is it?

Midas on October 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Someone brings up the gay marriage lie. Some people have no shame.

swamp_yankee on October 24, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Says the shameless spambot…

Midas on October 24, 2011 at 4:50 PM

So you think being a Mormon is a put down
Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 4:20 PM

We know it’s certainly one of the Perry Pastor’s fave putdowns.

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 4:26 PM

So what? What does that have to do with the price of bull in Spain?

If Romney supporters don’t think, that the left isn’t going to get down and dirty, and smear and attack Mitt Romney on all fronts, with real and made up crap, than you all are living in some kind of alternate universe, that has missed what Obamedia does to his opposition, going back to when Obama first started running for President the first time.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 4:55 PM

You are clearly incapable of responding on the merits so that’s all you have. I almost feel sorry for you, you’re so pathetic.

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 4:33 PM

In order to be a misogynist it requires the person to be a man, and I am not.

You are so astute, you assume my sign on Dr Evil is gender specific, I guess that makes you a sexist LOL

Behave like an hysterical little girl – get treated like one.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 5:02 PM

But you are! Somebody who wants us to buy foreign, and is a big Romney supporter, said so. Some one who supports Romney could never be wrong.

You self hater you!

While I’m at it, Cain is a self hater too!

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 5:08 PM

We know it’s certainly one of the Perry Pastor’s fave putdowns.

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Perry’s pastor? You know better, but I guess you just don’t care if it’s in the service of Master Mitt.

cartooner on October 24, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Actually, the Perry Pastor did the anti-Mormon attack in Master Rick’s service, not Master’s Mitt. Although in so doing, he did manage to drag Master Rick down to where he is now. So, technically you are correct – Master Perry Pastor’s attack did benefit Master Mitt in the end.

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 5:12 PM

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 5:08 PM

It’s odd when these commenters appear to take it “personal” they think they know Romney personally? They think Romney knows who they are? He’s just some politician running for President.

Romney appears to have a strong fan boy base. I would say he’s got a team who think typing like a bunch of pissed off teenage girls, is having some kind of desired effect. Well it does make me smile so they are fun for comic relief.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 5:15 PM

If Romney supporters don’t think, that the left isn’t going to get down and dirty, and smear and attack Mitt Romney on all fronts, with real and made up crap, than you all are living in some kind of alternate universe, that has missed what Obamedia does to his opposition, going back to when Obama first started running for President the first time.
Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Any candidate will be run through the liberal wringer. Some, such as Perry due his lack of communication skills, would indeed be a wash out.

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 5:17 PM

While I’m at it, Cain is a self hater too!

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 5:08 PM

I’m pretty sure that’s raaacist ;)

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Unless you live in Massachusetts you have no clue as to how bills are shoved through the legislature with absolute minimum objection. How would you morons like to be Governor when you try to get a bill through that is dependent on a legislature composed of 95% Socialist Democrats. We have had many Republican Governors, but they did squat, not because they did not try, but because the voters still chose to send their Socialists back into office. Right now with our Socialist Governor (back for a second term) the voters are getting exactly what they deserve. I could care less about Romneycare. I want a future President that will remove all of Obama’s Marxist policies, present a firm resolve to our enemies, put us back to where we belong as leader of the Free World, straighten ou this economic morass, and finally, a family man without a hint of scandal. In other words, this ultra conservative Independent wants Mitt Romney as our nexr President.

Big Nicholas on October 24, 2011 at 5:23 PM

It’s nearly irrelevant just WHO ultimately wins this election.

What is of VITAL importance, is engaging in a balls-out GOTV effort. Unless we achieve an unassailable majority in the House and Senate, little good can be done.

A strong majority, for example, would curtail Romney’s liberal, “work with the other side” tendencies. In Perry’s case, an invaluable aid to furthering his agenda.

Y’all need to be cognizant of this, and act accordingly.

irongrampa on October 24, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Can’t win on the merits, so they pretend to peer into his heart and make spurious judgements about his motives.

swamp_yankee on October 24, 2011 at 3:46 PM

We don’t have to peer into his heart, we just have to peer into Youtube. Anybody who isn’t a liberal Mittbot or an idiot, but I repeat myself, knows that a grown man does not change all of his opinions on the most important issues of our time within the course of a year unless he has ulterior motives.

Face it, nobody trusts Mitt’s principles because he is unprincipled.

Bill C on October 24, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Actually, the Perry Pastor did the anti-Mormon attack in Master Rick’s service, not Master’s Mitt. Although in so doing, he did manage to drag Master Rick down to where he is now. So, technically you are correct – Master Perry Pastor’s attack did benefit Master Mitt in the end.

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Then whats your problem? If it is how you say, you should be ecstatic. That you aren’t shows that you don’t even believe your own BS.

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Behave like an hysterical little girl – get treated like one.
Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Really? I dare you to go back and read through this thread and this one and tell me exactly where I was “hysterical”. I responded calmly and thoughtfully, armed with irrefutable facts to your idiotic attempts to link Obama’s aunt to Romney. You didn’t provide a single substantive response (or god forbid, admit you were wrong) but instead resorted to making comments about caffiene, Mormons, and cramps.

But hey, it doesn’t surprise me that you’re a chick. You fight like a pathetic little girl.

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Seriously …. Romney on immigration, abortion, global warming, taxes, gun control and healthcare has more heavily favored the liberal side of the argument than the conservative. That’s a fact.

I spent several hours over the week researching Romney to try and find the one issue that I believe in, as a die-hard conservative — that my unyielding principle would not let me bend on — that he has also consistently went to the mat for while holding elected office.

Not something he has flipped on while running for President these past 8 years. I pretty much came up empty.

It’s like John Kerry spent 8 years in the forest with Joseph Smith, decided to change his name, and has now decided to give Presidential politics another whirl, except this time on the Republican ticket.

preallocated on October 24, 2011 at 5:39 PM

I’m pretty sure that’s raaacist ;)

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Dang, you may be right. Who do I report myself to? Attack Watch? Romney’s version of Attack watch? Or Cain’s (but I repeat myself)?

Or, chupachudi? I know…ROCK!

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 5:39 PM

But hey, it doesn’t surprise me that you’re a chick. You fight like a pathetic little girl.

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Dang, Sarah ain’t gonna’ like that. Will you be her friend when she gets assimilated?

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Dr Evil

Here, let me help you out with a sample of my so-called “hysterical” comments to you:


Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 1:52 PM

IIRC, in the unlikely, if not impossible, event that then Gov. Romney knew about Obama’s Aunt, only ICE can deport illegals. Governor’s play no direct role. Presumably they could issue a pardon for criminal acts on the part of the illegal which could prevent deportation (as criminals are prioritized) but they can’t pick and choose who they want deported. And Pres Bush her after O was elected – which had zero, zip, nada to do with Romney in any case.

If you have factual info to the contrary, please present it.

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Dr Evil

Here, let me help you out with a sample of my so-called “hysterical” comments to you:

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Hey hon, repeating yourself is a sign of hysterics.

Just thought you should know.

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Thanks Fox News for not giving the whole story on Romney as Ailes and Rove push him.

PhiKapMom on October 24, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Ahhhh yes….the old Fox news is conspiring to push a candidate you don’t like meme.

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Actually, the Perry Pastor did the anti-Mormon attack in Master Rick’s service, not Master’s Mitt. Although in so doing, he did manage to drag Master Rick down to where he is now. So, technically you are correct – Master Perry Pastor’s attack did benefit Master Mitt in the end.
whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Then whats your problem? If it is how you say, you should be ecstatic. That you aren’t shows that you don’t even believe your own BS.

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM

It’s fine if you disagree. So which candidate(s) did the Perry Pastor’s anti-Mormon attacks help and which did it hurt, in your opinion?

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 5:49 PM

In order to be a misogynist it requires the person to be a man, and I am not.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Not true.

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 5:50 PM

…it’s far more difficult to think of the rule of law than it is when considering the issue in the abstract.

Not for me. The ONLY benefit that any illegal alien is entitled to is emergency care on the way out of the country.

I would be happy if every illegal alien who obtains emergency care is then discharged to ICE and given one-way escorted transportation home.

They are bankrupting our hospitals.

In Dallas:

Parkland Memorial Hospital delivers more of those babies than any other hospital in the state. Last year at Parkland, 11,071 babies were born to women who were noncitizens, about 74 percent of total deliveries. Most of these women are believed to be in the country illegally.

Snopes. CBS.

And in Nevada, a SINGLE hospital spends TWO million each month on ONE procedure for illegal aliens.

It would be humane and just — after your free medical care, you are required to go home. If your home is in another country, we provide ONE-WAY transportation. Simple. And fair to American taxpayers.

fred5678 on October 24, 2011 at 5:53 PM

More bias from Hot Air…now of course they are working with LA Times to go after a Republican.

Nice..

Well facts are bothersome when people are busy Rino hunting…but there are actual links you can go to and see Deval Patrick bragging about expanding these services.

I don’t expect anyone to bother…to busy hating on Romney and trying to get Obama elected to a second term by promoting a candidate who can not win..but what the hell.

Check out these links
Deval Patrick’s recovery plan
Deval Patrick on the issues

Terrye on October 24, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 5:42 PM

You’re so special, you have a nice day now hear.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Not true.

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 5:50 PM

I don’t hate women, in fact I have a higher tolerance when a woman pitches a fit, than when a man does….but you have probably noticed that first hand.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 6:00 PM

“Mitt Romney’s record on illegal immigration is clear: as governor, he vetoed an in-state tuition bill for illegal immigrants and authorized his state troopers to detain people based on their immigration status.

Then why did Holder’s DOJ go after AZ’s law and Jan Brewer?

onlineanalyst on October 24, 2011 at 6:00 PM

I don’t hate women,

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 6:00 PM

I didn’t say you did hate women. I said even a woman can be a misogynist.

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM

I didn’t say you did hate women. I said even a woman can be a misogynist.

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM

I know, I am playing with you, I should have used some emoticons.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 6:05 PM

I hear Perry is jumping on this as well…at least Romney did not support binational health care system with Mexico.

Terrye on October 24, 2011 at 6:08 PM

I know, I am playing with you, I should have used some emoticons.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 6:05 PM

I don’t understand why we can use them in the headlines but not in the main comments.

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 6:19 PM

It’s fine if you disagree. So which candidate(s) did the Perry Pastor’s anti-Mormon attacks help and which did it hurt, in your opinion?

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Well, only stupid people think it was Perry’s pastor and stupid people usually forget this stuff anyway. If a stupid person was able to remain stupid and still remember the stupid meme that Jeffers is Perry’s pastor that stupid person would think it helped the candidate that the stupid person supported anyway. But you would know, since you are the one pushing the meme and supporting…Romney.

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 6:22 PM

It’s getting even worse in CA.

Mexican nationals will be able to show ID from their home country in Sonoma County. By Chris Roberts | Monday, Oct 24, 2011

In Sonoma County, a California driver’s license is accepted as valid identification — but so is a card issued by the Mexican consulate.

Mexican nationals will be able to give their country’s state-issued identification cards as valid ID to Santa Rosa police officers and Sonoma County sheriffs, the Santa Rosa Press Democrat reported.

The idea is to reduce the immigration-related duties of local cops, the newspaper reported. Accepting Mexican consulate-issued cards will reduce the number of people booked into jail for lacking ID, and ergo, will reduce deportations from Santa Rosa County Jail, the newspaper reported.

“Today is a great day,” Sonoma County Assistant Sheriff Lorenzo Dueñas said. “We’re now going to accept the matriculár consular ID.”

On Sunday, a Mexican Consulate representative praised Dueñas and Schreeder’s agencies for working with the groups that would reduce the number of people arrested for not having identification, a non-criminal offense.

“I think it will be the best benefit for all Mexican communities in Sonoma County,” said Adriana Gonzalez Felix, consul for legal affairs with the consulate.

Felix said consulate staff would return to Sonoma County in November to teach people how to apply for the card. They may bring a “mobile consulate” to the area, Felix said.

N. B. The FBI testified during Patriot Act hearings that the Matricula Consular card was not secure (not to mention it is prima facie evidence that you entered illegally and don’t have a passport/green card!!!)

Our country is doomed until we get a President and a Congress that will enforce our damn laws.

fred5678 on October 24, 2011 at 6:27 PM

In order to be a misogynist it requires the person to be a man, and I am not.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 5:02 PM

I hate get in this stupid little spat here, but a misogynist can be male or female.

There are women out there who loathe and hate women.

Just sayin’.

Conservative Samizdat on October 24, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Hey hon, repeating yourself is a sign of hysterics.

Just thought you should know.

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM

The inability to respond intelligently is a sign of mental retardation. Gardisil victim? Poor dear!

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 6:36 PM

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jaime on October 24, 2011 at 6:38 PM

The inability to respond intelligently is a sign of mental retardation. Gardisil victim? Poor dear!

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Ya’ know, it could be. Too bad you cannot say the same. You got that way naturally.

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 6:40 PM

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Perry is stained by the guy because he spoke at the same event. And the biggest problem was how Perry reacted when asked to repudiate the comments. He initially said Jeffers remarks hit it out of the park. A while later Perry’s campaign backtracked.

So again, as we have seen, Perry is the stupid one.

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 6:43 PM

“I was against it before he was for it”

right2bright on October 24, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Perry is stained by the guy because he spoke at the same event. And the biggest problem was how Perry reacted when asked to repudiate the comments. He initially said Jeffers remarks hit it out of the park. A while later Perry’s campaign backtracked.

So again, as we have seen, Perry is the stupid one.

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 6:43 PM

As if we believe anything you post regarding Perry…you have lied, and then lied again, and will continue to lie, until Romney is washed up, and put away.
Romney instituted a health care program subsidized by the feds, and he tried to hide that, but was caught…than attacked Perry for creating a system to attract illegals, and Romney now is responsible for the same…the difference is….
Romney tosses out these lies like a Baptist in a liquor store…and Perry sits back and watches Romney hang himself with rage and envy.

right2bright on October 24, 2011 at 7:18 PM

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 6:43 PM

I cannot believe you still fall for this after whatacattoy failed so big time. Do y’all take turns fluffing Romney?

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 7:20 PM

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 6:43 PM

perry’s hit it out of the park comment wasnt made in reference to the mormon comments. you know this and still shamelessly repeat that lie. such a good little mittbot.

chasdal on October 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM

Lots of people were at the Values Voter gathering, are they all against Mormons? I hope Mr. Morrissey is getting a pass since he was there as a journalist.

Cindy Munford on October 24, 2011 at 7:28 PM

Really bizarre a thread about immigration has turned into a Perry/Mormon issue. As a Mormon, I dont have any issues with Perry on this. He said he disagrees with the pastor and thats that. We’ve heard worse frankly, lol.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 7:33 PM

This is how Dr. “I’m a Chick” Evil and her sidekick “Cosmo” roll:

Romney was alive in 1977 so he it’s his fault! – Dr. Evil./
Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 2:45 PM

You sure are easy to rattle, I thought Mormon’s weren’t supposed to use stimulants?
Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 3:19 PM

I wonder if they were at the “Values and Voters Summit”.

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 7:39 PM

I wonder if they were at the “Values and Voters Summit”.

Buy Danish on October 24, 2011 at 7:39 PM

Hmmm, okay, whatever that means. I don’t take the doc as a nutball. You on the other hand are. Then we have the gripping hand where I am not even a Perry supporter, or overly religious. I just like taking down y’all nutballs.

But I think I would rather roll with the good doctor than a Romney fluffer.

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Romney is a total tool!

ColdWarrior57 on October 24, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Romney is a total tool!

ColdWarrior57 on October 24, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Good to find a Cain supporter who won’t use Romney as a fallback.

Bill C on October 24, 2011 at 7:54 PM

I wont bill , Romney is obama white , Romney purchased the gun, loaded the gun left the gun on the desk then blames someone else.
This one is all Romney.

ColdWarrior57 on October 24, 2011 at 7:58 PM

I don’t understand why we can use them in the headlines but not in the main comments.

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 6:19 PM

I think it comes down to format for the comment section and the filter, but I have seen some inventive use of the the formatting feature.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 8:17 PM

But I think I would rather roll with the good doctor than a Romney fluffer.

cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 7:50 PM

They sure have lousy manners don’t they? It’s difficult to square their teenage angst posting, with what Romney represents, family values, good morals, and good manners.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 8:27 PM

This blog descended into hysteria, which is why Romney will win.

swamp_yankee on October 24, 2011 at 9:07 PM

I far prefer Perry’s stance. It mirrors Abraham Lincoln’s.

unclesmrgol on October 24, 2011 at 10:20 PM

I hear Perry is jumping on this as well…at least Romney did not support binational health care system with Mexico.

Terrye on October 24, 2011 at 6:08 PM

What Perry was proposing, as I understand it, was a purchasing plan for health insurance that would have been in cooperation with Mexico.

People make it sound like something it wasn’t. I don’t know if you’re one of those people, or just one who heard the misrepresentation of it – but it’s a complete distortion.

Like so many things, “Perry Pastor” being another.

Jeffress is not Perry’s pastor, and Perry didn’t select him for the introduction – the conference did. And he made his remarks about Mormonism off-stage, to reporters, and Perry immediately issued a statement saying he disagreed.

People – it’s obviously up to you if you don’t want to support support Perry.

Please just don’t lie about him.

capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 10:29 PM

How does it hurt for them to get a couple more years of education? Um, it costs taxpayers, thank you, both for their ‘legal’ K-12 attendance and then their in-state college attendance.

In Texas higher ed, schools are funded primarily by a state sales tax that everyone – legal and illegal – pays.

So no, illegal students aren’t a burden on the taxpayers, any more than any of the other kids enrolled. Not really. (Texas schools in higher ed are generally not hurting for money, as I understand it from the Weekly Standard article I’ve been linking. Enrollment is not competitive, either – very few students are coming in from out of state, and there seems to be plenty of space available for everyone who wants to go. Illegal students account for fewer than one percent of all kids enrolled in higher ed, mostly at community colleges.)

capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 10:38 PM

his blog descended into hysteria, which is why Romney will win.

swamp_yankee on October 24, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Well that certainly explains Romney Supporters

Dr Evil on October 24, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Romney tosses out these lies like a Baptist in a liquor store…and Perry sits back and watches Romney hang himself with rage and envy.

right2bright on October 24, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Yeah, right. Where is Perry in the polling?

csdeven on October 25, 2011 at 12:47 AM

perry’s hit it out of the park comment wasnt made in reference to the mormon comments.

chasdal on October 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM

He DID NOT repudiate the comments by the bigot pastor. It looked bad and that is why his campaigned back tracked the comment. The fact is that Perry is so used to hearing that bigotry and the pastor is so used to speaking that bigotry, neither one of them thought it was a problem.

csdeven on October 25, 2011 at 12:50 AM

Well, only stupid people think it was Perry’s pastor and stupid people usually forget this stuff anyway. If a stupid person was able to remain stupid and still remember the stupid meme that Jeffers is Perry’s pastor that stupid person would think it helped the candidate that the stupid person supported anyway. But you would know, since you are the one pushing the meme and supporting…Romney.
cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 6:22 PM

That same one is lying on another thread right now, saying Perry has embraced birtherism.

Such a liar. And doing it all over HotAir. Makes me sick.

capitalist piglet on October 25, 2011 at 3:18 AM

I know many of you have issues with FACTS about Romney and his record in MA regarding his SUPPORT and loosening gun laws and earning the support of the NRA in MA because of these laws, veto’s of pro-illegal immigration laws, signed laws that were PRO-Life, and on and on and on…this is on the issue of illegals obtaining Heath Care DURING Romney’s time:
As posted by another HA poster…

Another thing. Romney vetoed this particular section of the health bill, and the veto was over-ridden by the legislature. I live in Boston, so I should know. There are many parts of that law that Romney vetoed, and this has always been Romney’s argument. He always argued that he tried his best on that bill to limit the socialist tendencies of the liberal MA legislature.

I wish Perry will attack him on this…I really really hope Perry attacks him. Romney will wipe the floor again with him.

http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2006/Chapter58

Governor disapproved the following section, see H4857
The Legislature overrode the Governor’s veto
SECTION 27. Section 16D of said chapter 118E, as so appearing, is hereby amended by adding the following subsection:?

(7) Notwithstanding subsection (3), a person who is not a citizen of the United States but who is either a qualified alien within the meaning of section 431 of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 or is otherwise permanently residing in the United States under color of law shall be eligible to receive benefits under MassHealth Essential if such individual meets the categorical and financial eligibility requirements under MassHealth; provided further that such individual is either age 65 or older, or between age 19 and 64, inclusive, and disabled. Such individual shall not be subject to sponsor income deeming or related restrictions.

SECTION 28. The seventh paragraph of section 23 of said chapter 118E, as so appearing, is hereby amended by striking out clause (2) and inserting in place thereof the following clause:?

(2) persons for whom hospitals and community health centers claim reimbursement payments from the Health Safety Net Fund, established by section 57 of chapter 118E.

g2825m on October 25, 2011 at 5:15 AM

People – it’s obviously up to you if you don’t want to support support Perry.

Please just don’t lie about him.
capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 10:29 PM

Capitalist,
I agree BUT the same needs to be said of Romney, and frankly all the candidates. Do not buy into what some poster says so and so said NOR many times quoting some paper that is also seen through biased eyes.

For example:
Romney attending a meet-n-greet with folks in Iowa and the meme by the MSM and some conservatives is out there that Romney can’t relate. See this exchange like so many others at his town halls:
“Does coal come in by rail from Pennsylvania?”
“High-sulfur, low-sulfur content in the coal that you get?”
“Do you have a trade system for SOx and NOx?” — the acronyms for nitrogen oxide and sulfur oxide.
At that, Romney’s press secretary, Andrea Saul, leaned in to whisper that she thought the exchange showed the governor’s deep knowledge of the issues.
And on this day, with this crowd, it worked. This was how Romney connected.
“I always had viewed him as a very stiff, pretty impersonal candidate. But I will tell you, I’m impressed,” said a roundtable guest, Lori Holste, 52, who works in economic development. “He had a lot of the right answers we’re looking for. There was a lot of eye contact. . . . He spoke to us by speaking our names. I felt like I was on the same level as him.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romney-reaches-out-but-often-lacks-common-touch/2011/10/21/gIQAkUVc7L_story_2.html

Notice how she stated, “I always had viewed him as a very stiff, pretty impersonal candidate.” Where does she get that from? From people who want to project an image of Romney that is totally false but if you speak it often enough people believe it but it is not based on any facts!

g2825m on October 25, 2011 at 5:36 AM

Let me post this again for those such as right2bright, Bill C, Dr Evil, et al who dislike Romney

Romney was against illegals also receiving care under the MA Health Care law and was overridden by his Legislature BUT as Ed posted ALL hospitals have to admit those needing care so again Romney has been consistent despite MANY of you trying to paint him as hypocritical…I am amazed some of you get sucked into the same trap the MSM lays for all conservatives all the time. In the end the MSM does NOT like any of our candidates. We need to all focus on defeating Obama and not each other.

The Facts:

http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2006/Chapter58

Governor disapproved the following section, see H4857
The Legislature overrode the Governor’s veto
SECTION 27. Section 16D of said chapter 118E, as so appearing, is hereby amended by adding the following subsection:?

(7) Notwithstanding subsection (3), a person who is not a citizen of the United States but who is either a qualified alien within the meaning of section 431 of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 or is otherwise permanently residing in the United States under color of law shall be eligible to receive benefits under MassHealth Essential if such individual meets the categorical and financial eligibility requirements under MassHealth; provided further that such individual is either age 65 or older, or between age 19 and 64, inclusive, and disabled. Such individual shall not be subject to sponsor income deeming or related restrictions.

SECTION 28. The seventh paragraph of section 23 of said chapter 118E, as so appearing, is hereby amended by striking out clause (2) and inserting in place thereof the following clause:?

(2) persons for whom hospitals and community health centers claim reimbursement payments from the Health Safety Net Fund, established by section 57 of chapter 118E.

g2825m on October 25, 2011 at 5:46 AM

And many HA readers say that ordinary people should only listen to these clown candidates and never listen to those who didn’t enter to the circus. Shame!

They forgot that “entry” to the circus will cost any wannabe a fortune and exit is will be too painful! How ridiculous!

I guess, I will have to bear for another 4 years of Evil Lord Obama after all … oh wait … just may be … never mind.

TheAlamos on October 25, 2011 at 5:55 AM

This should be required reading by ALL HA posters so that they get their facts straight on MA Healthcare helped crafted by Heritage Foundation…that HUGE liberal website. This link explains the Health Care law and much of this was changed after Romney left office in 2007 right after he signed it into law. Enlighten your understanding of the law here:

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2006/01/mitts-fit

g2825m on October 25, 2011 at 6:03 AM

g2825m on October 25, 2011 at 5:46 AM

Oh well when you put it that way, Hooray for Romney where do I sign up/

None of you Mitt Witts have a clue about making a persuasive argument for Romney, that’s not your fault, there isn’t one. If you are getting paid to salt blog threads on the internet, all I can say is God Bless ya for being employed in the “Era of Obama” I’m copyrighting that, because I know we are going to be stuck with him for another 4 years.

Dr Evil on October 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM

Hmmm, okay, whatever that means. I don’t take the doc as a nutball. You on the other hand are. Then we have the gripping hand where I am not even a Perry supporter, or overly religious. I just like taking down y’all nutballs.
cozmo on October 24, 2011 at 7:50 PM

This is amazing “logic” on your part. Dr. Evil makes idiotic arguments which I debunk on the facts (utilizing humor to boot). When she realizes the facts don’t support her argument she resorts to making comments about menstrual cramps and Mormons. When I call her out on this tactic I’m told I’m a “nutball”. I fear for this country’s future if the two of you are representative of the conservative Republican base.

As for Perry, I merely noted that Dr. Evil’s illogical arguments don’t help Perry because there are hundreds of thousands of illegals in Texas whom Perry is also powerless to deport. I also pointed out that what happened in Mass is not analogous to Texas because no federal law requires states to provide tuition breaks to illegals. I never said a fracking thing about you or anyone else being a Perry supporter. So in addition to being mentally deficient, apparently you are hallucinating.

Buy Danish on October 25, 2011 at 7:07 AM

Dr Evil on October 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM

Ummm…I am employed by the US Navy currently in Afghanistan.

I guess when I present facts about Romney of what he has actually said OR actual laws many of you come back with some retort without agreeing that what you have been posting is wrong.

In the past I have come back on here correcting myself if I have posted something wrong about one of the other candidates. I would hope that others would do the same.

g2825m on October 25, 2011 at 7:36 AM

btw…despite what many of you think, Romney has a large support amongst the military here and it was the same when I left Iraq last year. We see him strong on defense and the only one talking about building our military back to where it should be to promote strength

g2825m on October 25, 2011 at 7:38 AM

None of you Mitt Witts have a clue about making a persuasive argument for Romney, that’s not your fault, there isn’t one. If you are getting paid to salt blog threads on the internet, all I can say is God Bless ya for being employed in the “Era of Obama” I’m copyrighting that, because I know we are going to be stuck with him for another 4 years.
Dr Evil on October 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM

Listen up, Jackass! No one is being paid to comment. But hey, let us know where you have made a single “persuasive” argument about anything. Point to one specific comment at this thread. Thanks in advance -I’m ready for a good laugh.

Ummm…I am employed by the US Navy currently in Afghanistan.
g2825m on October 25, 2011 at 7:36 AM

Thank you for your service.

Buy Danish on October 25, 2011 at 9:28 AM

Buy Danish on October 25, 2011 at 9:28 AM

We’re you dropped on your head as a child? You appear to suffer from some form of Tourettes.

Dr Evil on October 25, 2011 at 11:35 AM

g2825m on October 25, 2011 at 7:36 AM

My husband has been to Afghanistan twice so what’s your point?

That makes you some kind of expert on who people should vote for?

Dr Evil on October 25, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Buy Danish on October 25, 2011 at 7:07 AM

You are funny, these threads would be boring without your rants.

Dr Evil on October 25, 2011 at 11:44 AM

My husband has been to Afghanistan twice so what’s your point?
That makes you some kind of expert on who people should vote for?
Dr Evil on October 25, 2011 at 11:38 AM

You’re worse than a jackass. He was responding to this stupidity from you:

None of you Mitt Witts have a clue about making a persuasive argument for Romney, that’s not your fault, there isn’t one. If you are getting paid to salt blog threads on the internet, all I can say is God Bless ya for being employed in the “Era of Obama” I’m copyrighting that, because I know we are going to be stuck with him for another 4 years.
Dr Evil on October 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM

You picked an asinine fight, he responded. What exactly are you an expert in, btw? Lobbing spitballs? Time for you to leave the adults alone and play in the sandbox with your juvenile friend Cosmo.

Buy Danish on October 25, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Buy Danish on October 25, 2011 at 12:44 PM

You’re so special, you have a nice day now.

Dr Evil on October 25, 2011 at 1:08 PM

If it walks like a Democrat and sidesteps responsibility like a Democrat, its a Democrat.

EconomicNeocon on October 25, 2011 at 3:10 PM

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