New Herman Cain ad: The smoking man

posted at 9:22 pm on October 24, 2011 by Allahpundit

Lots of buzz about this among political junkies on Twitter tonight, mostly of the so-bad-it’s-good variety. Is the image of this guy taking a soothing drag on camera after 40 seconds of ad-tastic exertion really that strange and transgressive? Cain’s campaign is all about unapologetic populist authenticity, and there’s nothing more unapologetically, authentically populist than defiantly lighting one up when the mood strikes, politesse be damned. As the man says, “We’ve run a campaign like nobody’s ever seen.” If you’ve got a problem with casual smoking during presidential spots, well, that only proves what an uptight establishment RINO you really are.

In the next spot, Block should have a smoke in one hand and a can of Schlitz in the other. And as the camera pulls back, there’s Cain next to him, eating a slice of Godfather’s and giving a big thumbs-up.

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*cringe* That was so bad, it was funny. The music does the ad no favors.

conservative pilgrim on October 24, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Now sell this sucker Governor!

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:36 PM

Of course this is key. I’m very confident that many big names are going to come out in favor of this, regardless of some of the naysayers here. This is big and will be popular and as one person put it, it will “supercharge growth”. We need that. Now sell it Perry.

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 10:39 PM

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 10:35 PM

If your a family making 150,000 or less, ergo paying less then 20 percent this changes nothing for you. You still have to go through the deductions and loopholes ect. A flat tax, which is what he said he would do, would eliminate the deductions and really flatten the tax code. Thats what a flat tax is, its for everyone to pay, that was supposed to be the point.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 10:39 PM

JimPethokoukis James Pethokoukis
From the scant details in the WSJ op-ed, , I vastly prefer Perry 20-20 to Cain 9-9-9 on.wsj.com/sGvbhg

https://twitter.com/#!/JimPethokoukis/status/128635055533867008

Great stuff.

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 10:34 PM

EXCELLENT!

capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 10:40 PM

And it keeps the loopholes open, and reforms nothing.

Knucklehead on October 24, 2011 at 10:37 PM

The influence peddlers will certainly approve.

And let’s think about this. Everybody who’s convinced Herman Cain can’t sell a 9% sales tax is also asserting that Perry – who’s far, far less talented at speechcraft and communication – can sell a tax rate-hike on anybody in the lower brackets, or worse, making the case to double compliance costs.

Not exactly shrinking government, is he?

KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 10:40 PM

Knucklehead on October 24, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Exactly. Its a gimmick.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 10:41 PM

The smoker bloc is an untapped constituency. Hell, I have astma and allergies and would never smoke, but I get tired of every single little nanny in every state pushing smokers around. The greatest hypocrisy though is that they’ll restrict smoking to stupid levels, but they’ll never ban it because of the huge vice revenues the taxes bring in.

BKennedy on October 24, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Well, at this point, I don’t really have a horse in this race, so to speak, and I found the ad to be amateurish (but not in an endearing way), off-putting and kind of creepy. If only Mr. Block could have been sweating profusely and mopping his forehead with a dingy cloth, it would have been flawlessly awful. Frankly, it was not persuasive in the least. It’s his chief of staff. Are we supposed to be impressed that he likes the candidate that he works for???

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 10:41 PM

As David Ogilvy once said, the only criterion for an ad is whether or not it brings in buyers (or voters).

rrpjr on October 24, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Hey I figure if it’s unpopular here on HA – Perry must really be onto something.

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:32 PM

It’s gotten to that point, yes.

Looking very forward to seeing who else comes out for this.

capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 10:42 PM

And I’m dumb???
Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 10:35 PM

Let me give you a hint…if you have to ask, yeah, you are pretty dumb…that’s like Roseanne Barr asking if she is fat or dumb, like Whoopi asking if she is ugly, like Pelosi asking if she is liberal…or Romney asking if people like him…

right2bright on October 24, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Do you grasp how quickly you’re descending to Spathi levels with your irrational and arbitrary delegitimizing of candidates you don’t happen to be supporting this week?

KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 10:37 PM

*Sigh*

Cain is having a hard time and I know it is hurting the Cain faithful such as yourself. I’m sorry, OK? Look, I’m sorry! It’s not your fault. Herman Cain is a really nice man and I’m sure he will be fine once this ongoing embarrassment comes to a very hilarious conclusion. Maybe he will land a show on Fox News and you can tune in every weekend to indulge in his latest antics.

It’s going to be OK, KingGold. It’s going to be OK.

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Of course this is key. I’m very confident that many big names are going to come out in favor of this, regardless of some of the naysayers here. This is big and will be popular and as one person put it, it will “supercharge growth”. We need that. Now sell it Perry.

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 10:39 PM

Well he’s going on the Factor tomorrow night. That will be big.

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:42 PM

“We’ve run a campaign like nobody’s ever seen.” If you’ve got a problem with casual smoking during presidential spots, well, that only proves what an uptight establishment RINO you really are.
In the next spot, Block should have a smoke in one hand and a can of Schlitz in the other. And as the camera pulls back, there’s Cain next to him, eating a slice of Godfather’s and giving a big thumbs-up.

I am laughing my a$$ off. Oh, excuse me.LMAO!

Vince on October 24, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Now you are Spathi. Enjoy yourself, bottom feeder.

By the way, Newtie’s never making it to Iowa. His campaign is a joke, and I suspect he’s only running to sell books, promote his think-tank, or just desperately remain relevant.

KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 10:45 PM

canopfor on October 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM
I see green and purple vapors….
but most likely from the northern landfill.

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canopfor on October 24, 2011 at 10:45 PM

Are we supposed to be impressed that he likes the candidate that he works for???

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Spend some time on the streets and you would get it…btw, what is the MSM going to say, that we can’t have someone who smokes near the White House?
It’s a dig at Obama…sheesh, no wonder quality candidates can’t win.
Not every ad, is a big sell…some are set-ups.
Especially now, since many ads never have to be televised, they just need the “hits”.
This is going to be a long election when the simplest of ideas go over the head of the voters…

right2bright on October 24, 2011 at 10:47 PM

If your a family making 150,000 or less, ergo paying less then 20 percent this changes nothing for you. You still have to go through the deductions and loopholes ect. A flat tax, which is what he said he would do, would eliminate the deductions and really flatten the tax code. Thats what a flat tax is, its for everyone to pay, that was supposed to be the point.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 10:39 PM

I don’t know where you are getting this $150,000 figure from. Every tax bracket that I can find shows that families that make over $69,000 pay 25%

http://www.mydollarplan.com/tax-brackets/

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:47 PM

By the way, Newtie’s never making it to Iowa. His campaign is a joke, and I suspect he’s only running to sell books, promote his think-tank, or just desperately remain relevant.

KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 10:45 PM

And at this rate Cain will be lucky to last through November. So where does that leave us?

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 10:47 PM

Do you grasp how quickly you’re descending to Spathi levels with your irrational and arbitrary delegitimizing of candidates you don’t happen to be supporting this week?

KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Doesn’t have the first clue.

katy the mean old lady on October 24, 2011 at 10:47 PM

canopfor on October 24, 2011 at 10:45 PM

Bush’s fault…Gore warned us…

right2bright on October 24, 2011 at 10:48 PM

It’s gotten to that point, yes.

Looking very forward to seeing who else comes out for this.

capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Me too. I wish we could have two posts tomorrow. One to bitch in and one to actually talk about the proposal on it’s merits.

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:48 PM

Everyone thinks a Cain candidacy would make liberals heads explode. I think he is pretty well doing that to the Republican establishment!

pgrossjr on October 24, 2011 at 10:48 PM

It’s going to be OK, KingGold. It’s going to be OK.

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 10:42 PM

dance…dance…dance…

right2bright on October 24, 2011 at 10:49 PM

And let’s think about this. Everybody who’s convinced Herman Cain can’t sell a 9% sales tax is also asserting that Perry – who’s far, far less talented at speechcraft and communication – can sell a tax rate-hike on anybody in the lower brackets, or worse, making the case to double compliance costs.

Not exactly shrinking government, is he?

KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 10:40 PM

That’s why he’s had Steve Forbes out there trying to sell it all weekend, but now we find out it’s 20% and full of holes?

Big government indeed.

Knucklehead on October 24, 2011 at 10:49 PM

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:47 PM

http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm

I think your looking at the single person bracket, not married filling jointly.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 10:50 PM

Especially now, since many ads never have to be televised, they just need the “hits”.
This is going to be a long election when the simplest of ideas go over the head of the voters…

right2bright on October 24, 2011 at 10:47 PM

Yeah, I just don’t get it. Uh huh. They clearly filmed this little testimonial when they had $0. Now that the donations are pouring in, let’s see just how long they stick with their humble, homespun wisdom schtick. Please. No one but the most diehard true believer will find anything compelling about this. The only reason we’re even discussing it at all is because it will be used to make the Cain campaign a laughinstock.

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 10:51 PM

And at this rate Cain will be lucky to last through November. So where does that leave us?

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 10:47 PM

Oh? He’s bringing in money hand over fist now. And all the Perry boosters have been informing me that you can make as many gaffes as you like, you can even call your voters heartless, but so long as you have money you’re considered a serious candidate.

KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 10:52 PM

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:47 PM

You can also at the bottom enter in your status (single, married) and put in an amount and it tells you what percentage you pay.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 10:52 PM

ROTFLMAO!!

It was ok, then got funny with the headshake, then got a little silly with the cigarette, and then when Cain’s face comes in and he breaks into a goofball smile it’s burst-out-loud ridiculous :)

And that slogan, “let’s put ‘united’ back into ‘united states of america’” … lamelicious.

The good news is that

AlexB on October 24, 2011 at 10:54 PM

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:47 PM

http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm

I think your looking at the single person bracket, not married filling jointly.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 10:50 PM

This is driving me crazy because I see 69,000 to 139,500 married filing jointly pays 25%

Of course I can’t paste the table into the comment box so we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

ACK!

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:55 PM

The influence peddlers will certainly approve.

And let’s think about this. Everybody who’s convinced Herman Cain can’t sell a 9% sales tax is also asserting that Perry – who’s far, far less talented at speechcraft and communication – can sell a tax rate-hike on anybody in the lower brackets, or worse, making the case to double compliance costs.

Not exactly shrinking government, is he?

KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 10:40 PM

This is so ridiculous. You obviously have no real understanding. I’m quoting famous economists that have reviewed this and praise it highly and what do you have? Right.

As far has his “speechcraft”, Perry gives excellent speeches and is great at retail politics. Is he the best debater? Nope. Is he pro-life? Yep. Always has been. Is Herman? Who knows for sure. i’ve heard several answers. Did he not understand the question? His answer? What about Gitmo? You’re guy is SOOOO bright. He just make Perry look so simple. ;) Let’s get off this though. I’d rather stick to the issues please.

The fact is, economists are coming out in favor of this, but many do not want a new national sales tax. I’m sorry, they don’t and neither do many citizens once they fully hear the plan. Perry’s plan is simple, much flatter than what is there today. A few simple deductions (for people, charity, mortgage interest) and an eliminatoin of investment taxes. Sarah Palin already had wonderful things to say about it. My guess is that this is going to be a big hit. Hey, if you don’t like it, you can stay on the current system.

Here’s a couple quotes:

JimPethokoukis James Pethokoukis
From the scant details in the WSJ op-ed, , I vastly prefer Perry 20-20 to Cain 9-9-9 on.wsj.com/sGvbhg

JimPethokoukis James Pethokoukis
Perry 20-20 (+balanced budget by 2020) also better than Bowles-Simpson which would have raised investment taxes

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 10:55 PM

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ROTFLMAO!!

It was ok, then got funny with the headshake, then got a little silly with the cigarette, and then when Cain’s face comes in and he breaks into a goofball smile it’s burst-out-loud ridiculous :)

And that slogan, “let’s put ‘united’ back into ‘united states of america’” … lamelicious.

The good news is that most people who watch these things won’t look at it so critically and parse it for irony or stylistic offenses.

AlexB on October 24, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Yeah, I just don’t get it. Uh huh.

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 10:51 PM

Its like modern art.
You have to be ‘it’ to ‘get it’!
It also helps if you are stoned.

sharrukin on October 24, 2011 at 10:55 PM

No one but the most diehard true believer will find anything compelling about this. The only reason we’re even discussing it at all is because it will be used to make the Cain campaign a laughinstock.

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 10:51 PM

Actually I am more of a Perry fan…so I guess your analysis is off on that also…stop and think, how many campaigns have you ran? How many campaign strategists have you worked with…so you know exactly what tact they are taking and why?
I offered a little insight, I should have known…you now everything about elections….HAHAHAHAHA! A regular campaign guru.
I am not looking at this from a standpoint of taking someone down like you, and your crony Punkchenko.
This is a clever ad, now how will the MSM respond?

right2bright on October 24, 2011 at 10:56 PM

You can also at the bottom enter in your status (single, married) and put in an amount and it tells you what percentage you pay.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 10:52 PM

Okay there I see where you are getting your numbers.

Dang that was driving me nuts!

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:56 PM

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Ok, lol.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 10:57 PM

The only reason we’re even discussing it at all is because it will be used to make the Cain campaign a laughinstock.

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 10:51 PM

This is not needed to make the campaign a laughingstock. This pushes the campaign into laugh riot teritory. There’s enough material to keep SNL busy for months!

Vince on October 24, 2011 at 10:57 PM

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:56 PM

Yeah its the only way I could figure it out without dragging out my tax papers, lol.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Oh? He’s bringing in money hand over fist now. And all the Perry boosters have been informing me that you can make as many gaffes as you like, you can even call your voters heartless, but so long as you have money you’re considered a serious candidate.

KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 10:52 PM

Yeah, speaking of Perry, he raised about $17 million in one month. Then he started talking and guess how much he’s bringing in now? What Goes Up: Perry’s Fundraising Crashed in September

What do you think will happen to Cain’s campaign donations if he keeps making gaffe after gaffe?

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 10:59 PM

…now how will the MSM respond?

right2bright on October 24, 2011 at 10:56 PM

First in confusion followed by hysterical laughter.

Everyone at Fox News and NRO are now taking a collective sigh of relief now that it is *confirmed* Herman Cain is not actually seriously running for POTUS.

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 10:59 PM

As far has his “speechcraft”, Perry gives excellent speeches and is great at retail politics. Is he the best debater? Nope. Is he pro-life? Yep. Always has been. Is Herman? Who knows for sure. i’ve heard several answers. Did he not understand the question? His answer? What about Gitmo? You’re guy is SOOOO bright. He just make Perry look so simple. ;) Let’s get off this though. I’d rather stick to the issues please.

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Yes, because your scattershot defense of Perry, which sounds reminiscent of Michele Bachmann’s let’s-see-what-sticks-to-the-wall campaign, just screams, “stick to the issues.”

Some economists have endorsed 999 as well, by the way. But far more economists were in favor of Obama’s stimulus. So that must be better than anything the GOP candidates could come up with, right?

KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 11:03 PM

Will Herman Cain walk-back this ad tomorrow?

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 11:03 PM

This is driving me crazy because I see 69,000 to 139,500 married filing jointly pays 25%

Of course I can’t paste the table into the comment box so we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

ACK!

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 10:55 PM

I agree, 25% tax bracket. With Perry’s, it starts out at 20%, then you subtract for adults, children, charity, and mortgage. I guarantee, Steve Forbes didn’t just endorse Perry and these economists I’m reading (their early reviews) with very positive comments know exactly what they are talking about. We’ll get the details tomorrow. No need to bicker over this now when we don’t have all the facts.

What we do know is the early reviews by those in “the know” are very positive and that’s reassuring. We have a chance to simplify that tax code dramatically and significantly reduce money wasted by government processing this.

The whole idea here is to propose a tax system that people will want to use. If it doesn’t make your life better, why would team Perry even bother to put this out. They have an excellent team working on this. It’s going to be good. ;)

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 11:04 PM

LOL@punchenko!

Good one!

SauerKraut537 on October 24, 2011 at 11:04 PM

I hate smoke and cigs.

But that whole video is so awesome its beyond comprehension.

swamp_yankee on October 24, 2011 at 11:04 PM

That ad rocks!

/sarcasm off

LMAO!! Are they serious?

SauerKraut537 on October 24, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Is Cain trolling the GOP or is this for reals?

jhffmn on October 24, 2011 at 11:07 PM

What do you think will happen to Cain’s campaign donations if he keeps making gaffe after gaffe?

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 10:59 PM

From Herman Cain’s FaceBook page about an hour ago.

Herman Cain
The pundits say I have had a tough week. The people say we’re about to hit 300,000 fans and nearly 2,000 people have donated to my campaign today alone. Share this with your friends and/or donate. Do what you can do and together we can renew the USA.

I went to his fundraiser today in Chicago. It was a mob scene, both inside and out.

Knucklehead on October 24, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Love the ad!!!

It fits well with Cain’s slogan: Let’s get REAL!!!

In the next spot, Block should have a smoke in one hand and a can of Schlitz in the other. And as the camera pulls back, there’s Cain next to him, eating a slice of Godfather’s and giving a big thumbs-up.

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!

Then brace for the incessant nattering, lame “tut-tutting,” and sanctimonious screeching from Liberals and RINO’s…which will only make the silent majority LOVE HIM MORE!!!

landlines on October 24, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Enjoy your cigarette while you can buddy. If you get your way, the price will be going up 9%.

huckleberryfriend on October 24, 2011 at 10:22 PM

There is no tax on used cigarettes!

faraway on October 24, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Is Cain trolling the GOP or is this for reals?

jhffmn on October 24, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Question of the season.

faraway on October 24, 2011 at 11:08 PM

I hate smoke and cigs.

But that whole video is so awesome its beyond comprehension.

swamp_yankee on October 24, 2011 at 11:04 PM

All I’m saying is Dale Peterson he is not…

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 11:08 PM

I’m so effin impressed with Mark Block right now its ridiculous.

swamp_yankee on October 24, 2011 at 11:09 PM

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 11:04 PM

You have a great night.

Tomorrow should be interesting on here to say the least.

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Yes, because your scattershot defense of Perry, which sounds reminiscent of Michele Bachmann’s let’s-see-what-sticks-to-the-wall campaign, just screams, “stick to the issues.”

Some economists have endorsed 999 as well, by the way. But far more economists were in favor of Obama’s stimulus. So that must be better than anything the GOP candidates could come up with, right?

KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 11:03 PM

LOL, you folks brought it up. I just threw some of the crap out that was coming my way. I’d much rather talk policy. Let’s do that.

Sure, liberal economists endorsed Obama’s plan, but no serious non-left-leaning economists did. I’m not looking for progressive economists to endorse any GOP plans. The federal sales tax worries many capitalists. Here’s one now:

JimPethokoukis James Pethokoukis
From the scant details in the WSJ op-ed, , I vastly prefer Perry 20-20 to Cain 9-9-9 on.wsj.com/sGvbhg

People are worried about it. You can dismiss it to make yourself feel better, but it’s the truth. The more it is talked about, the more people will worry.

Sarah Palin has already come out strong for Perry’s plan. Others will be coming out soon. You can stick with what you like, but my bet is that more will be on the flat tax wagon. It’s working in several other countries right now and will be a huge reduction in government.

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 11:12 PM

You have a great night.

Tomorrow should be interesting on here to say the least.

gophergirl on October 24, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Thanks, you too! Time to get some sleep. Bye all. Remember, we’re all conservatives with the same mission. I’ll support our nominee and hope it is Perry/Cain/Newt. I can easily support any of them. God Bless.

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 11:14 PM

I went to his fundraiser today in Chicago. It was a mob scene, both inside and out.

Knucklehead on October 24, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Wish I could have gone. I’m right in the St. Charles area, but work in Arlington Heights. If you post any pics from your trip there, share a link with us.

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 11:15 PM

I went to his fundraiser today in Chicago. It was a mob scene, both inside and out.

Knucklehead on October 24, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Hmmm….that reminds me of someone else…Now who is it that I’m trying to think of? Someone without a snowball’s chance in H-E-Double Hockey Sticks of winning a general election but who had wildly rabid fans who turned out in force to buy books and hear this individual speak? Who was that? Gosh, I’m just drawing a blank here.

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 11:16 PM

Sarah Palin has already come out strong for Perry’s plan. Others will be coming out soon. You can stick with what you like, but my bet is that more will be on the flat tax wagon. It’s working in several other countries right now and will be a huge reduction in government.

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 11:12 PM

Was Sarah on television, radio, or did she express her opinion on F/B or Twitter?

capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Actually I am more of a Perry fan…so I guess your analysis is off on that also…stop and think, how many campaigns have you ran? How many campaign strategists have you worked with…so you know exactly what tact they are taking and why?
I offered a little insight, I should have known…you now everything about elections….HAHAHAHAHA! A regular campaign guru.
I am not looking at this from a standpoint of taking someone down like you, and your crony Punkchenko.
This is a clever ad, now how will the MSM respond?

right2bright on October 24, 2011 at 10:56 PM

As for exactly what “tact” (here I presume you meant “tack”) the Cain campaign was taking with this self-indulgent waste of film, I will have to stand by my analysis that it was purely economically driven. At the time this little oddity was produced the campaign had virtually no money. It was hardly a secret: Herman Cain’s Campaign Only Has ‘Several Hundred Thousand Dollars” At His Disposal

If I were, in fact, a “guru” advising Mr. Cain, my advice to him would be to spin this as something that was done satirically and never intended to be made public. Read this and you will get some idea of the reaction that most people will have when and if they see this.

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 11:25 PM

better a can of Busch Bavarian… a steel can opened with an old fashioned church key….

ElRonaldo on October 24, 2011 at 11:30 PM

And at this rate Cain will be lucky to last through November. So where does that leave us?

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 10:47 PM

Well, there’s this fella from the Gulf Coast of Texas…

JohnGalt23 on October 24, 2011 at 11:30 PM

Well, there’s this fella from the Gulf Coast of Texas…

JohnGalt23 on October 24, 2011 at 11:30 PM

Man you Perrians just don’t give up, do you?

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 11:37 PM

From Wikipedia:

On the surface, it may seem that the Smoking Man merely tries to hide information from Fox Mulder and Dana Scully, but there is much more to him. He is involved in the Syndicate, a shadow organization which includes members of the United States government that exists to hide from the public the fact that aliens are planning to colonize Earth. Smoking Man often ruthlessly protects the secrets of the conspiracy, and serves as the main antagonist to Mulder, who has an equally consuming devotion to reveal the truth in the first seven seasons.[13] Although his actions can be described as monstrous for the most part, his stated justification is a desire to prevent the alien colonization for as long as possible, and he is at times shown working towards that goal, particularly in connection with developing a vaccine to protect people from the “black oil”, a parasitic agent which the alien Colonists use to propagate themselves.

First Obama appears, then Cigarette Smoking Man…..no wonder Obama doesn’t have any old friends, transcripts, votes, or birth certificates!

cthulhu on October 24, 2011 at 11:39 PM

A little mentioned fact is that cigarettes help mental concentration, even if the ruin lungs and smell.

I see the Fireman is smoking while he keeps up speed on the Fast Mail running on the Southern Railway from Atlanta to Washington, DC which they called The Old 97.

This Cain Train will not wreck at Danville, Virginia , and will be on right time for inauguration day on Sunday January 20, 2013.

But Herman do have to make sure that Rove and Fox News don’t blow up the Stillman Trestle.

jimw on October 24, 2011 at 11:42 PM

So Mark Block would be WH Chief of Staff, and Rich Lowrie, B.A. Accounting, would be Secretary of the Treasury. I suppose Alan Greenspan would get his old job back as Fed Chairman.

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 11:43 PM

So Mark Block would be WH Chief of Staff, and Rich Lowrie, B.A. Accounting, would be Secretary of the Treasury. I suppose Alan Greenspan would get his old job back as Fed Chairman.

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 11:43 PM

Man, you’re just a glutton for punishment, aren’t you?

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 11:44 PM

Man, you’re just a glutton for punishment, aren’t you?

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 11:44 PM

I am. :-(

I see it this way: 1.) I like to read the defenses for Cain nuttiness and 2.) racking up comments is good for Ed and AP’s pocketbook. Win-win.

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 11:48 PM

Was Sarah on television, radio, or did she express her opinion on F/B or Twitter?

capitalist piglet on October 24, 2011 at 11:21 PM

I’m never going to sleep :( ;)

She was on Hannity. Here is the FNC details: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/22/looking-for-boost-perry-to-unveil-flat-tax-plan-next-week/ I think the HuffPo may have the actual video.

kerrhome on October 24, 2011 at 11:52 PM

Man you Perrians just don’t give up, do you?

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 11:37 PM

I believe you’ll find Rick Perry calls Austin home…

JohnGalt23 on October 25, 2011 at 12:03 AM

first time seeing the commercial.

why did the name Jimmy Valentine come to mind?

bloghooligan on October 25, 2011 at 12:03 AM

I wonder how Mark Block’s wife feels about this ad. Block runs around the country with the #2 in charge at the Cain campaign, and Herb condones it.

Block is a real slimeball.

bigred on October 25, 2011 at 12:04 AM

Romney, Cain, Perry, …., Bachmann

to replace BarryO?

How gloomy the field really is!

TheAlamos on October 25, 2011 at 12:04 AM

I need to do one were I put a big ol’ dig of snuff in my lip at the end.

esnap on October 25, 2011 at 12:04 AM

cynccook on October 24, 2011 at 11:16 PM

That’s what I’ve been sayin’. *waves*

annoyinglittletwerp on October 25, 2011 at 12:06 AM

More proof that Palin is just days away from announcing her candidacy.

csdeven on October 25, 2011 at 12:06 AM

“Yeah, that’s right. I’m smokin’ a butt. Don’t like it? Bite me.”

“Don’t like the music? Bite me.”

“Don’t like Herman? You know what you can do.”

(Exhales in your face.)

I like it.

novaculus on October 25, 2011 at 12:08 AM

Since Cain used to lobby on behalf of cigarette companies, while he was running his own national lobbyist outfit, the ad makes perfect sense.

We need more Republicans promoting cancer!

bigred on October 25, 2011 at 12:09 AM

The Cain campaign enjoys the cool, smooth taste of Laramie.

keep the change on October 25, 2011 at 12:18 AM

That ad had such a mid-’70s vibe to it. Everything old is new again.

keep the change on October 25, 2011 at 12:21 AM

and a can of Schlitz in the other

How very beta of you, AP. Schlitz?

lorien1973 on October 25, 2011 at 12:25 AM

Hotair thread on Cain’s ad costing zero additional spending to make – 270+ comments.

Steve Forbes endorses Perry – 63 comments

Perry critical of Cain -. 163 comments

I find those metrics pretty interesting.

Not bad.

Can’t wait to see how many media mentions this ad gets.

HD flipcam and a quick cig break outside and just look at the results. Not bad at all.

Jason Coleman on October 25, 2011 at 12:26 AM

Can’t wait to see how many media mentions this ad gets.

HD flipcam and a quick cig break outside and just look at the results. Not bad at all.

Jason Coleman on October 25, 2011 at 12:26 AM

Yeah, because notoriety is always a boon….
Anyway, Mark Steyn is right as always:

But the ’stan shtick is a glimpse of the greater truth – that there are whole areas of public policy in which he simply has no interest. None. You ask him a question and from the recesses of his mind swim up half-recalled phrases from some panel discussion he caught once long ago, and he hopes he grabs the conservative line (“I’m proud to stand by Israel,” “we don’t negotiate with terrorists,” “life begins at conception,” whatever) but just as often he doesn’t (with Gretchen Carlson this morning: “No, abortion should not be a part of the political discussion”).

cynccook on October 25, 2011 at 12:30 AM

Y’all do know that Dale Peterson is Cain’s agriculture advisor, right?

Jason Coleman on October 25, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Can’t wait to see how many media mentions this ad gets.

HD flipcam and a quick cig break outside and just look at the results. Not bad at all.

Jason Coleman on October 25, 2011 at 12:26 AM

BAD ……. TOO BAD, if you must know.

TheAlamos on October 25, 2011 at 12:34 AM

Jason Coleman on October 25, 2011 at 12:26 AM

You would think that Herman Cain — who is suppose to be a savvy businessman/marketer — would be smarter than to allow this thing to get on the internet and make him look bad.

Punchenko on October 25, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Y’all do know that Dale Peterson is Cain’s agriculture advisor, right?

Jason Coleman on October 25, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Then he might want to find a spot for him on his media team. And I mean, like yesterday…

JohnGalt23 on October 25, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Y’all do know that Dale Peterson is Cain’s agriculture advisor, right?

Jason Coleman on October 25, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Cain needs to make him his media advisor, instead. This clip makes Dale Peterson’s ad look like a masterpiece.

cynccook on October 25, 2011 at 12:35 AM

The Herman Cain walk-back for this week:

Herman: Well, the part with Mark smoking the wasn’t suppose to be in the final video. One of our interns didn’t edit it out and it managed to stay in the video.

MSM: So, that wasn’t suppose to be part of the ad?

Herman: No, it was a mistake.

OR…

Herman: It was a joke. It’s all one big joke. Blah blah blah.

Punchenko on October 25, 2011 at 12:38 AM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204777904576651330270547222.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

On Tuesday I will announce my “Cut, Balance and Grow” plan to scrap the current tax code . . .The plan starts with giving Americans a choice between a new, flat tax rate of 20% or their current income tax rate. The new flat tax preserves mortgage interest, charitable and state and local tax exemptions for families earning less than $500,000 annually, and it increases the standard deduction to $12,500 for individuals and dependents.

OK, I am cautiously feeling better now. Still a little confused.

He says he is “scrapping” the current plan. The option seems to be on the “rates” not the whole old current code. I think. Will wait and see.

The confusing part is where he says “the new flat tax preserves . . . .” (some of the current Sch A deductions (they are not exemptions.) Why does he say only the new flat tax preserves them? Why not say both rate options preserve them? Does this mean that if you go for the current rate, then you get all the current code as well with all the current deductions,exemptions, credits and loopholes?

That can’t be or Steve Forbes and James Pethokoukis wouldn’t like Perry’s plan. It must scrap the whole current code and just keep the 2 optional rate schedules, with both options having the same basic deductions.

Hope so. If that’s it, it looks good to me. I like this and 999 transitioning to a full Fair Tax. Not sure at this point which I like better.

20% might be a little high. Not sure why. The old Forbes plan and other Flat Tax plans had it in the high teens. We shall see. Again, maybe the optional rates are just temporary and transitional.

I’m happy our 2 best conservatives are offering solid plans. Cain was bold and moved the national discussion in the right direction. Perry might be the one to carry the ball over the goal line. Or Cain.

Other than these 2 tax plans, everything else in Perry’s WSJ piece seems to be the same solid conservative plans for everything else, like Social Security, Obamacare and reducing spending that Cain and Newt and Perry have already endorsed. And these 3 would actually implement them. Don’t know if Romney has the will or the guts to do them. Romney is just one step better than Obama. Cain and Perry would get the right job done.

Need to see more details on the tax plan.

Elisa on October 25, 2011 at 12:41 AM

This is the only part that should have been in quotes from Perry’s WSJ piece. Sorry.

On Tuesday I will announce my “Cut, Balance and Grow” plan to scrap the current tax code . . .The plan starts with giving Americans a choice between a new, flat tax rate of 20% or their current income tax rate. The new flat tax preserves mortgage interest, charitable and state and local tax exemptions for families earning less than $500,000 annually, and it increases the standard deduction to $12,500 for individuals and dependents

Elisa on October 25, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Elisa on October 25, 2011 at 12:41 AM

Wrong thread, Elisa. This is the LOL @ Herman Cain and his embarrassing campaign thread.

Punchenko on October 25, 2011 at 12:43 AM

The ad feels very ’80s cheese, especially the end. It’s like a bad ’80s music video. Mark Block shakes his head “no” throughout making me dizzy jusst watching… I think Tanya Raiman would say that he doesn’t believe what he’s selling because of the head shake.

Creepy.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 25, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Wait, didn’t Herman Cain have CANCER????

So his campaign releases an ad where the highlight is SMOKING???

THAT SUMS IT ALL UP.

Herb will tell us later this week that Block wasn’t really smoking. The video clip was shown out of context.

bigred on October 25, 2011 at 12:47 AM

And where was the substance? Where are the issues? Where is the sale? Just a bunch of pablum, a bunch of hero-worship with no reason why anyone should vote him. Not even 999. Nothing. “We can take the country back”, um, and do WHAT exactly? The as doesn’t say.

Embarrassing, cringe-worthy nonsense that isn’t even as good as Obama’s.

The smoke at the end is the perfect summation because all I could think while watching was it was just someone blowing a lot of smoke up people’s a$$es.

Aslans Girl on October 25, 2011 at 12:51 AM

It took one week and a day for the Cain Train to explode and go off a cliff in a fiery blaze of FAIL. The Cain campaign is going down in the history books!

Punchenko on October 25, 2011 at 12:52 AM

Lol. Both of today’s preceeding Perry threads combined don’t have as much attention as this “bad” Cain ad. Despite those threads being actually more important than this one.

Looks like it’s doing its job.

Of course campaign ads should cost at least tens of thousands of dollars and be focus grouped to death. Of course they should have complex scores and show all they key constituency groups represented.

AND ABOVE ALL don’t DARE show someone smoking a cigarette outdoors.

I liked it because as soon as I saw it, I knew people would lose their mud over it. I was right.

Jason Coleman on October 25, 2011 at 12:52 AM

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