Herman Cain: Karl Rove’s trying to talk down my campaign

posted at 4:45 pm on October 24, 2011 by Allahpundit

After a week of feeble attempts at damage control, he’s finally hit on a savvier approach.

“It’s a good thing the voters are not looking at Karl Rove’s little whiteboard,” Cain said in a phone conversation from a stop in Chicago Monday afternoon. “I believe it is a deliberate attempt to damage me because I am not, quote unquote, the establishment choice. But why not go with the choice that the people seem to like?”

Cain accused Rove of bias in favor of candidates with big organizations, lots of money, and prior experience in political office — all things Cain doesn’t have. “What has Karl Rove done?” Cain continued. “If I become the nominee, he has given Democrats talking points for a commercial to attack me. It makes no sense unless it’s a deliberate attempt on his part to try to push me down so that the candidate he wants rises to the top.”

When asked which candidate he believes Rove supports, Cain said, “I believe he wants Romney to get it.”

Follow the last link for Rove’s reply. (Sample quote: “[H]e should not expect everybody to be cheerleading every mistake he makes.”) The inspiration for this exchange was Rove appearing on Fox News this morning to make the obvious-to-the-point-of-being prosaic point that one only gets so many flubs as a candidate before people start to wonder. True enough, and it’d be no less true or obvious if Rove hadn’t made it. But because he did, Cain suddenly has a high-profile foil he can use to motivate grassroots conservatives to stick with him through the recent rough patch. He couldn’t have asked for a better one, either: Thanks to his status as a consummate Beltway insider, his Bush-ian big-spending “compassionate conservatism” pedigree, his scrapes with Palin and Christine O’Donnell, and his reputation as the ultimate Machiavellian strategist, Rove’s become almost as much of a Snidely Whiplash character among tea partiers as he was among the left for eight years. Cain’s working straight off of the Palin playbook here by wearing the scorn of the ultimate establishment Republican/RINO as a badge of authenticity. It’s probably his best shot at consolidating his support right now, unless and until he starts using some of his recent fundraising windfall to build a real organization in early primary states. Which … still hasn’t happened yet.

Two exit questions. One: In the excerpt shown below, Cain says he was distracted during Wolf Blitzer’s question about Gilad Shalit and didn’t instantly make the connection that Blitzer was proposing trading terrorists at Gitmo for an American POW. Okay, but in that case, what sort of prisoners did he think Blitzer had in mind? Netanyahu did, of course, swap terrorists for Shalit. Was Cain thinking of common federal convicts instead? Why would Al Qaeda want any of those? Two: Which dastardly scheming RINO said the following today of Cain’s performance lately?

But the [Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan] shtick is a glimpse of the greater truth – that there are whole areas of public policy in which he simply has no interest. None. You ask him a question and from the recesses of his mind swim up half-recalled phrases from some panel discussion he caught once long ago, and he hopes he grabs the conservative line (“I’m proud to stand by Israel”, “we don’t negotiate with terrorists”, “life begins at conception”, whatever) but just as often he doesn’t (with Gretchen Carlson this morning: “No, abortion should not be a part of the political discussion”).

His fans say he’s being set up with “Gotcha” questions. But these aren’t the Hoogivsastans way out on the fringe of the public policy map. They’re the first stops on the central thruway of American politics, and have been for most of Cain’s adult life. And it’s becoming harder to avoid the obvious truth that he hasn’t given them a moment’s thought.

It would be nice to have a candidate with a sunny demeanor who gets the urgency and understands the way fiscal insolvency, foreign affairs and social policy interact. But maybe from a talent pool of 200 million or so that’s an unreasonable expectation.

Hint: Not Karl Rove!


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A vote for Rove’s choice in the primary is a vote for Obama in the general election.

Valiant on October 24, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Cain’s working straight off of the Palin playbook here by wearing the scorn of the ultimate establishment Republican/RINO as a badge of authenticity.

Can’t exactly say that turned out to be a winning strategy…

JohnGalt23 on October 24, 2011 at 6:01 PM

It is sad that the criticism that Romney is simply running as the not-Obama candidate instead of as the best of the field, is now being pushed when it comes to Cain or Perry as they relate to being the not-Romney candidate.

It isn’t what they stand for, but rather that they are not Romney. Perry does better when he leaves the attacks to the professionals and Cain does better when he keeps his mouth shut. Romney is the only one who spends most of his time laying out his agenda and bashing Obama over the head with his utter failures as POTUS. If only Perry would do the same and Cain would get his story straight.

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Under Rove’s direction, we managed two thin majorities in presidential races, one of which we would have lost outright if there were one more liberal justice on the Supreme Court. KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM

The American people, and not just Karl Rove, decide who the next President will be. Bush’s DUI didn’t help him in 2000 among certain constituencies and is widely credited for being the reason the race was so close.

In addition, we have Rove to thank for the full-court presses on amnesty (twice!) as a supposedly grand strategy to win elections forever that wound up making the Hispanic vote closely mirror the black vote. KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Agreed.

And then there’s the revival of the K Street Project in 2006 (perhaps the most anti-conservative notion our party’s ever come up with), which brought Abramoff far closer into our ranks than we ever wanted.
KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM

You can thank Tom DeLay & Co. for that. Once Newt was kicked out by the party the pigs went back to the trough.

Rove’s not an idiot. But let’s not delude ourselves into thinking he knows what he’s talking about, 100% of the time. KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Rove is 100% correct about Herman Cain. Rove understands the presidency and he understands the US electorate and the state-by-state electorate. Herman Cain will not become the 45th POTUS.

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 6:02 PM

I’m really starting to tire of Karl Rove.

I’m starting to tire of “Hot Air”

Think I’ll give my hits to a real conservative website instead of this bunch of RINO’s

Bye Bye HA

Old eagle on October 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM

PS..Who can forget those classic COD food fights?!?..:)

Dire Straits on October 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Classic indeed.

As to forgetting them… something about those who forget history… I’m sure I heard it somewhere…

JohnGalt23 on October 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

JohnGalt23 on October 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

LoL!..Another good point..:)

Dire Straits on October 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

I’m starting to tire of “Hot Air”

Think I’ll give my hits to a real conservative website instead of this bunch of RINO’s

Bye Bye HA

Old eagle on October 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM

The exits are clearly marked. I’m sure you can find your way out…

JohnGalt23 on October 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Rove loves him some Jeb. That’s his long term goal. I have no idea why he’s doing this now, but it has something to do with 2016.

a capella on October 24, 2011 at 6:05 PM

The idea that intra-party revolt on the conservative side led to McCain’s loss is without merit, in my opinion.
KingGold on October 24, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Especially if it’s based on the claim of “conservatives didn’t vote, they sat out the election”.

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 6:05 PM

If I become the nominee, he has given Democrats talking points for a commercial to attack me.

Oh, Herb! You are just too much! :-)

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Rove is 100% correct about Herman Cain. Rove understands the presidency and he understands the US electorate and the state-by-state electorate.
Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Was he 100% correct in telling Perry not to jump into birtherism?

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Good to see you posting..:)

PS..Hoe everything is going well for you..:)

Dire Straits on October 24, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Thanks buddy. Good to see you too.

Kataklysmic on October 24, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Thanks buddy. Good to see you too.

Kataklysmic on October 24, 2011 at 6:08 PM

..:)

Dire Straits on October 24, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Was he 100% correct in telling Perry not to jump into birtherism?

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Yup.

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Can’t exactly say that turned out to be a winning strategy…

JohnGalt23 on October 24, 2011 at 6:01 PM

She didn’t run, you’ll never know…

idesign on October 24, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Bye Bye HA

Old eagle on October 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Adios crybaby. We were definitely getting sick of your incessant whining.

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 6:16 PM

A vote for Rove’s choice in the primary is a vote for Obama in the general election.

Valiant on October 24, 2011 at 6:01 PM

But, it’s Mitt’s turn, isn’t it?

Just ask McCain and Dole.

crash72 on October 24, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Karl doesn’t seem to be in the build up anybody business but he sure does carry around a pointy stick.

Speakup on October 24, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Sort of like some HA members. Always attacking other candidates over the silliest of things, but never pulling aside their boxer briefs to reveal the manhood that would defend their own candidate.

BruthaMan on October 24, 2011 at 6:19 PM

She didn’t run, you’ll never know…

idesign on October 24, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Au contraire, mon frere… the fact that she didn’t run proves it turned out to not be a winning strategy, for her at least. She won’t win, therefore not a winning strategy.

JohnGalt23 on October 24, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Adios crybaby. We were definitely getting sick of your incessant whining.

csdeven on October 24, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Who are “we?” It’s amazing you can see in others what you cannot see in yourself.

BruthaMan on October 24, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Let’s hope that Rove’s comments ending up helping Cain — sort of egging him on to be a better candidate.

I’m for Herman Cain. Rush reinforced that conservatism works today. Which eliminates Romney from being a winner in the general, IMHO.

Herman Cain…Herman Cain…Herman Cain!!!

balkanmom on October 24, 2011 at 6:23 PM

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/even-pat-robertson-thinks-republican-voters-are-too-extreme

Even Pat Robertson thinks that the GOP base have lost their minds.

Chudi on October 24, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Rove always has an agenda, and telling the facts on Fox News is not what he is about.

Cain has out flanked Rove, and he can now focus on being the key man on every issue.

What Cain says about about anything is what the media wants to put on the news…If he says a border line moderate views on a legalistic tenent, his GOP friends goes crazy…if he says a brainwashing blacks fact, the enemy Dems go crazy.

The pissed off voters just want to see those folks go crazy. So it’s always another big win for the Cain Train.

The Cain Train keeps on picking up speed and passengers. And no one wants to leave because the love Herman’s Express.

jimw on October 24, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Was he 100% correct in telling Perry not to jump into birtherism?
whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Yup.
Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 6:09 PM

It’s bizarre that he’s flirting with birtherism. Has anyone researched if he’s flirted with other conspiracy theories or groups, e.g. 9-11 Truthers?

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 6:33 PM

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 6:33 PM

if you think he’s flirting w/ birtherism then you need to stop reading headlines and read content.

Governor, do you believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States?
I have no reason to think otherwise.
That’s not a definitive, “Yes, I believe he”—
Well, I don’t have a definitive answer, because he’s never seen my birth certificate.
But you’ve seen his.
I don’t know. Have I?
You don’t believe what’s been released?
I don’t know. I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night.
And?
That came up.

And he said?
He doesn’t think it’s real.
And you said?
I don’t have any idea. It doesn’t matter. He’s the President of the United

at most he was a little too cutesy w/ his answer, to spin it into birtherism is sensationalism

chasdal on October 24, 2011 at 6:39 PM

at most he was a little too cutesy w/ his answer, to spin it into birtherism is sensationalism
chasdal on October 24, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Or he just isn’t very bright, as suggested by this reply:

“I don’t have a definitive answer, because he’s never seen my birth certificate.”

What????

At any rate, he will no doubt have his chances to explain this odd foray into birtherism if he dares do any interviews attempting to push the old Forbes plan one last time.

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Although I am not fond of Karl Rove, Mr. Cain caused his own problems. And he sure didn’t have a problem with making his own sound bites to be used against a Republican as long as it was his own opponent.

Not to mention, Cain sure has been working to make sure Romney gets the nomination too. Not just in no organization but in not going after him. Nor Romney after him.

I believe Cain is running for VP, not President. He’s done this in the past, taking money from the people to not run a legitimate campaign and then drop out and get a position with the opposing team.

I think these two are in it together. Cain is the supposed conservative of the duo and Romney isn’t doing a dang thing to get the conservative base. Then Romney will win a couple states, even help Cain come in better than he would, Cain will hug him and tell his supporters to go with Romney. Cain will be hoping for VP but I don’t believe that will happen. His lack of knowledge and unwillingness to learn will take him out of the running. Especially regarding Foreign Policy. I do believe, however, that until Romney chooses his VP, he’ll string Cain and Cain’s supporters along to keep them on his side. Cain may get a lesser position as payback too.

When the GOP wanted him to run in NE, he declined due to his stances on social issues including abortion. Cain said, I am pro-life with exceptions, and people want you to be all or nothing.”

He added, “I am not a social-issue crusader. I am a free-enterprise crusader.”

Not only did he not run under the GOP ticket, he stabbed them in the back by supporting 3 Democrats instead.

Then ran for Pres in 2000, dropped out and saying Bush was too conservative, then not only endorsed the more Liberal opponent, he went to work for him as his Co-Chair. He stated “He was in it to make political statements, not win the nomination.” He took people’s hard earned money to make political statements?

Then ran for GA Senate in 2004, where his Liberal positions on social issues came out in the campaign not just on abortion but also pro-affirmative action, fed intervention in the workplace on behalf of minorities and stated he would vote for reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act. He was also endorsed by Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow PUSH. He proudly dispalyed these on his campaign site.
http://www.christiancitizens.org/christian/georgia/june_20.phtml

On abortion, there can be no miscontruing an interview question nor the answer as Mr. Cain repeated it after a 16 second pause. “You’re asking, are there circumstances in which it should be legal?” Yes.

He stayed in the race splitting the vote and the more Liberal pro-choice candidate won. Cain said he got in and stayed in the race “to talk about things he believed in.”

In 2006, the GOP asked him to run for GA Lt. Governor, Cain said that wasn’t a high enough position and told the GOP he was taking his followers and would work to build a network further to run for Governor later instead. He started another PAC and spent most of it on Administration costs, giving it to companies to Lobby Congress, and to start other entities to build himself up for a race.

I’m sorry, but anyone who calls themselves a conservative and supports Democrats & Liberals against their own party and has the Liberal leanings he does is no conservative. Now he’s supporting Romney?

Additionally, these top two frontrunners aren’t debating or hitting on each other’s policies, nor are they competing against each other. They are actually complimenting one another and telling voters to vote for the other if not them, that tells me something is mighty fishy here.

TriciaNC on October 24, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Look, Im an avid Romney supporter, but I wish these Washington guys would just let people vote. Quit telling us whose winning and losing when no one has cast a vote yet. Karl Rove has no idea if Cains campaign is imploding or not, he has no clue. Republicans are not stupid, we will figure out this primary thing, we dont need Washington people anointing winners and losers. So tired of this from these guys.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 7:11 PM

whatcat on October 24, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Yeah, that story is the lead headline on Drudge. Big mistake by Perry when he cant afford any.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 7:12 PM

“What has Karl Rove done?” Cain continued. “If I become the nominee, he has given Democrats talking points for a commercial to attack me. It makes no sense unless it’s a deliberate attempt on his part to try to push me down so that the candidate he wants rises to the top.”

Cain is right about this. All this infighting business will get recycled the moment it becomes useful to the Democrat that the media is pulling for.

But I still can’t muster up outrage. Let’s face it. The primary season is exactly when these kinds of questions should be raised.

Now if Rove is still doing this kind of criticism in the general election, that’s a different story.

tom on October 24, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Now if Rove is still doing this kind of criticism in the general election, that’s a different story.

tom on October 24, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Given Rove’s history in congressional elections (cf. Christine O’Donnell), anything’s possible.

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM

“What has Karl Rove done?” Cain continued. “If I become the nominee, he has given Democrats talking points for a commercial to attack me. It makes no sense unless it’s a deliberate attempt on his part to try to push me down so that the candidate he wants rises to the top.”

It’s just not Karl Rove, Mr. Cain. From where I sit and what I’ve heard, everyone at Fox News is out to torpedo you.

Knucklehead on October 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Knucklehead on October 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM

I dont agree with that. Cain has made some big gaffes, hes the lead in the polls, the scrutiny is normal.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Karl Rove states the obvious and somehow he is the bad guy???

Cain ought to toughen up. Rove’s right. You can’t keep making mistakes and not eventually get a reputation for it. That’s hardly an out-to-get-ya observation. Frankly, every time I start warming up to the guy a little, he says something stupid like the above.

Frankly, I don’t get the fuss about Rove anyway. I thought only liberals took him for some kind of scary boogeyman. He’s just a guy out doing his job. Fox pays him for punditry.. he gives it to them. End of story.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Karl Rove – Making 2016 safe for the next one who is ‘next in line’.

Jeb.

Really it will be so splendiferous to make the Bush clan more worthy than the Adams’ and Roosevelts, no?

ajacksonian on October 24, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Now if Rove is still doing this kind of criticism in the general election, that’s a different story.

tom on October 24, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Given Rove’s history in congressional elections (cf. Christine O’Donnell), anything’s possible.

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Sigh. Well, he’s certainly done it before. Let’s hope he learned his lesson. If he pulls that stunt, I’ll surely criticize him for it. That’s about all I can do.

I take comfort in the thought of how disappointed he’ll be when Romney goes down in flames.

tom on October 24, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Rove’s criticism of Romney. (crickets)

andy85719 on October 24, 2011 at 7:32 PM

I dont agree with that. Cain has made some big gaffes, hes the lead in the polls, the scrutiny is normal.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 7:27 PM

I guess you haven’t watched BOR for the past month and a half.

Knucklehead on October 24, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Now if Rove is still doing this kind of criticism in the general election, that’s a different story.

tom on October 24, 2011 at 7:14 PM

The point is thatRove (and the other establishment insiders) are selecting nowwho our RINO candidate in that general election will be. Sorry but when paid hacks of the ruling party do that – that’s more government by oligarchy than by (a republic) representative democracy.

Don L on October 24, 2011 at 7:35 PM

andy85719 on October 24, 2011 at 7:32 PM

This is just what happens when you are the next “IT” candidate. No ones talking about Romney right now because its been talked to death, the stones have been turned and turned again. Cain is the new flavor, thats why the media is digging in. They are bored.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 7:35 PM

Rove understands the presidency and he understands the US electorate and the state-by-state electorate.

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 6:02 PM

He understands the 51% game. I wonder where he placed his chips in 1975 and 1979? Hmmmm?

Saltysam on October 24, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Knucklehead on October 24, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Only so much I can take of that show to be honest, enjoy the segments with Dennis Miller. Prefer Hannity.

nswider on October 24, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Frankly, I don’t get the fuss about Rove anyway. I thought only liberals took him for some kind of scary boogeyman. He’s just a guy out doing his job. Fox pays him for punditry.. he gives it to them. End of story.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 7:30 PM

When that punditry can be used in Democrat campaign commercials, Rove is doing his precious GOP no favors — especially in an era when conservatives view the Republican Party with a jaundiced eye to begin with.

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Even Pat Robertson thinks that the GOP base have lost their minds.

Chudi on October 24, 2011 at 6:27 PM
Is this the same Pat Robertson who advised divorcing your spouse if they were afflicted with Alzheimers?

mobydutch on October 24, 2011 at 8:01 PM

The Cain Train keeps on picking up speed and passengers. And no one wants to leave because the love Herman’s Express.

jimw on October 24, 2011 at 6:28 PM

The Cain Train derailed last week, Jim. I’m so, so sorry. :-(

Punchenko on October 24, 2011 at 8:02 PM

When that punditry can be used in Democrat campaign commercials, Rove is doing his precious GOP no favors — especially in an era when conservatives view the Republican Party with a jaundiced eye to begin with.

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 7:41 PM

His job at Fox isn’t to do favors for the GOP. It’s to provide interesting analysis.

What does he owe Herman Cain? or any other politician, Republican or no? It’s not like any of them are signing his paycheck these days. Fox News does that.

And certainly, Rove’s observation was accurate. Cain’s running out of time for “mulligans”. He keeps up the kind of mistakes he’s made over the past week or so and people will start thinking he’s not ready for prime time.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 8:15 PM

And certainly, Rove’s observation was accurate. Cain’s running out of time for “mulligans”. He keeps up the kind of mistakes he’s made over the past week or so and people will start thinking he’s not ready for prime time.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 8:15 PM

On what basis does Rove make that assertion? Unless he’s privy to some sort of internal polling that the rest of us are not, as some have pointed out here, Cain seems to be Teflon.

I don’t believe that Rove’s “honest punditry” is any sort of warning to Cain. But even assuming the charitable explanation for Rove’s behavior is the correct one, it doesn’t have a lot of grounding in reality at the moment.

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 8:18 PM

A constant diet of “Pumpkin Head” is one of the reasons I stopped watching FNC.

bw222 on October 24, 2011 at 8:19 PM

A vote for a ham sandwich is a vote for Obama.

leftnomore on October 24, 2011 at 8:24 PM

That’s Allah’s whole point – Rove has now provided Cain with a boogieman for people to focus their hatred on.

HondaV65 on October 24, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Rove deserves to be a Boogieman. Since Bush left office, Rove has made a career of attacking conservatives. His attack average is about 90% red on red and 10% against Dems. It also seems that the vast majority of the red on red is Rove beating on ‘non establishment’ types. He comes across as an elitist and I am really sick of that type of Repub.

If he spent half as much energy attacking the Dems as he does anyone who is not Romney, not McCain, not Hatch ect. . . more of us would listen to his points.

Dawnsblood on October 24, 2011 at 8:25 PM

On what basis does Rove make that assertion?

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 8:18 PM

Common sense? lol

It just doesn’t stand to reason that a political newbie is going to be “teflon” for long. He’s got no resume to contradict rookie mistakes. The guy is still introducing himself to the voting public.

C’mon. Cain has spent most of the past week trying to explain his comments on one subject and another. It’s not Rove’s fault that he’s making mistakes. Rove doesn’t owe him anything. He’s not Cain’s campaign manager or anything else.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM

C’mon. Cain has spent most of the past week trying to explain his comments on one subject and another. It’s not Rove’s fault that he’s making mistakes. Rove doesn’t owe him anything. He’s not Cain’s campaign manager or anything else.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM

No, Rove doesn’t owe him anything. But “common sense” says that Rove is playing the fool equally as well as Cain is by spewing what sound like Democrat talking points. I can’t just stand idly by without thinking that Rove doesn’t have some sort of ulterior motive. He sure did in the O’Donnell flap.

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 8:33 PM

. He’s not Cain’s campaign manager or anything else.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM

And therein lies the problem. Rove is a washed up has been and nobody wants him anymore. He’s patiently waiting on the sidelines for a Jeb Bush run in 2016.

Knucklehead on October 24, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Rove deserves to be a Boogieman. Since Bush left office, Rove has made a career of attacking conservatives. His attack average is about 90% red on red and 10% against Dems. It also seems that the vast majority of the red on red is Rove beating on ‘non establishment’ types. He comes across as an elitist and I am really sick of that type of Repub.

If he spent half as much energy attacking the Dems as he does anyone who is not Romney, not McCain, not Hatch ect. . . more of us would listen to his points.

Dawnsblood on October 24, 2011 at 8:25 PM

When Fox News wants the skinny on the inner workings of Democrats, they call in Juan Williams or other contributing Democrats.
When they want commentary on Republicans, they call in Rove or other contributing Republicans.

Some of you folks seem to be a bit confused about who Rove is working for these days. It’s not the RNC.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 8:37 PM

Some of you folks seem to be a bit confused about who Rove is working for these days. It’s not the RNC.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 8:37 PM

Well it sure isn’t conservative interests, either. “Compassionate conservatism,” anyone? That alone ought to be enough to disqualify Rove as a serious pundit in the 2012 debate.

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Working for Fox News and/or being a pundit shouldn’t insulate Karl Rove from criticism for ill-considered opinions any more than Herman Cain’s outsider status should insulate Cain from criticism for his piss-poor communication skills.

And for those of you who think I am hardcore in the tank for Herman Cain, please bear in mind that immediately following the 2010 midterms, he was fourth on my list of prospective presidential contenders. This cycle, the field sucks.

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 8:44 PM

No, Rove doesn’t owe him anything. But “common sense” says that Rove is playing the fool equally as well as Cain is by spewing what sound like Democrat talking points. I can’t just stand idly by without thinking that Rove doesn’t have some sort of ulterior motive. He sure did in the O’Donnell flap.

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 8:33 PM

I imagine he wants to see a Republican win. He’s certainly not going to be supporting Obama. lol

But having observed him frequently on Fox the past couple of years, I’d say he’s more invested in preserving his reputation for good analysis. That’s how he makes his living these days… being right. Without evidence of some nefarious ulterior motive, I think it’s safe to say that his own livelihood is the most likely priority.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 8:49 PM

I imagine he wants to see a Republican win. He’s certainly not going to be supporting Obama. lol

But having observed him frequently on Fox the past couple of years, I’d say he’s more invested in preserving his reputation for good analysis. That’s how he makes his living these days… being right. Without evidence of some nefarious ulterior motive, I think it’s safe to say that his own livelihood is the most likely priority.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 8:49 PM

That’s fair enough. But by “being right,” I think you might mean that in the sense of “being rightwing.” Delaware ca. 2010 was a horrendous loss for him in the primaries as well as the general election, seeing as how he had a financial stake. Let’s not delude ourselves into believing that Karl Rove is perfect. “Compassionate Conservatism,” anyone?

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Karl Rove? “Architect” Karl Rove? Didn’t he retire yet?

The man who “architected” Compassionate Conservative G. W. Bush’s Comprehensive Immigration Amnesty — you know, the bill that died THREE TIMES?

Yeah, that genius.

fred5678 on October 24, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Well it sure isn’t conservative interests, either. “Compassionate conservatism,” anyone? That alone ought to be enough to disqualify Rove as a serious pundit in the 2012 debate.

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM

I’d say it’s simply self-interest. And really, I can’t blame the guy for it. We all want to be good at our jobs, particularly if we have a reputation to protect. It’s human nature.

Cain made some mistakes. It’s not like Rove’s been using him for a ventriloquist’s dummy. He said what he said. Cain needs to chill out and measure his words better.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 8:57 PM

. But by “being right,” I think you might mean that in the sense of “being rightwing.”

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Nope. I mean right as in ‘not wrong’.

Pundits don’t like to have their noses rubbed in a wrong call. These are people who are selling their analysis for a living. And a guy like Rove has made his career of it, both behind the scenes and in front of the cameras. He’s been around for long enough to have a lot of sunshine blown up his skirt about how great he is too. So, it stands to reason that the sting is a keen one when his analysis fails.

I think we make a mistake to assume that people are more than what they appear sometimes. Rove’s interest in “compassionate conservativism” could well have been limited to how many votes the concept would get for his candidate at the time.

Murf76 on October 24, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Karl Rove is Mr. Establishment. Of course he doesn’t want a Cain nomination. I don’t blame him. If I was so high on the Republican totem pole, a man like Cain would scare me to death. A man like Cain is too much like all the “little people.” I’m sick of getting the candidates that we are supposed to get. I want someone who goes against the grain.

mfrantom on October 24, 2011 at 9:31 PM

Rove will make money if Romney wins the nomination.

He will not make money if Perry or Cain win it.

I am completely disgusted with Fox News for giving Rove a nightly platform to trash Perry and Cain and to promote his RINO of choice, Mitt.

Rove was the guy who was advising GWB when he pushed for illegal amnesty (the Kennedy-McCain bill) in 2008, for the expansion of Medicare in 2004 and for every other garbage idea GWB had during his odious 8 years in office.

Exactly what did the Rove faction of the GOP have to do with the Congressional landslide 11 months ago?

Not one thing.

Romney will lose enough of the conservative vote in 2012, if he wins the nomination, to cause him to lose to Obama.

And the GOP will have itself and its neocon friend, Karl, to thank for it.

molonlabe28 on October 24, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Karl Rove, a small, petty, deceitful, greedy little man.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on October 24, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Karl is desperately trying to prove he is still relevant.

pgrossjr on October 24, 2011 at 10:50 PM

Karl is desperately trying to prove he is still relevant.

pgrossjr on October 24, 2011 at 10:50 PM

And he does get paid to play kingmaker, although I don’t think he’s as good at his job as he used to be. What floors me is the number of commenters here at HotAir who are trying to prove to me that Karl Rove is somehow relevant.

gryphon202 on October 24, 2011 at 10:56 PM

Who are “we?” It’s amazing you can see in others what you cannot see in yourself.

BruthaMan on October 24, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Awwwwww….wadda madder? Things aren’t going your way and you need to let out some baby tears? It’s otay….you can cwy. Maybe you could ask your grammy to make you some warm milk and cookies so you can feel a better.

csdeven on October 25, 2011 at 12:20 AM

The point is thatRove (and the other establishment insiders) are selecting nowwho our RINO candidate in that general election will be. Sorry but when paid hacks of the ruling party do that – that’s more government by oligarchy than by (a republic) representative democracy.

Don L on October 24, 2011 at 7:35 PM

So these paid hacks have the power to force the electorate to vote the way they want them to vote. Good gravy!! Thanks for warning us all!

For you….and you better hurry before you are affected also!!!!

csdeven on October 25, 2011 at 12:27 AM

Haha Rove just put another pretender to sleep. Cain is out of his league, an Alan Keyes with jokes. Plus the white voter who wants to send a message to obama by choosing Cain, the message this is what a black man should sound like, is bored already of their latest toy. Make room for Perry vs Romney

conservador on October 25, 2011 at 4:07 AM

Cain is out of his league, an Alan Keyes with jokes. Plus the white voter who wants to send a message

Yessir! Lawdy, deys all do looks alike!

whatcat on October 25, 2011 at 4:40 AM

csdeven on October 25, 2011 at 12:20 AM

Seems someone has their jammies in a wad….Funny, I had you pegged for a little older than someone who would make that kind of statement. Guess I will dial down the age bracket…I should’ve figured that someone who still wears cartoon jammies is hardly capable of making an intelligent comment.

lovingmyUSA on October 25, 2011 at 4:56 AM

Plus the white voter who wants to send a message to obama by choosing Cain, the message this is what a black man should sound like
conservador on October 25, 2011 at 4:07 AM

I love the condensending attitude of Perry minions…

lovingmyUSA on October 25, 2011 at 5:09 AM

Cain isn’t going to win because at some point you have to be taken seriously, but he sure is selling his book.

We don’t need more experiments with the finances of the country. We need to get rid of Obamacare and follow that up with spending cuts and payments on the debt. Sweeping changes in the tax code may be needed, not in the way Obamacare was passed in one big move. You don’t want to create more uncertainty, and you know that nothing can be as simple as 9-9-9. When Cain has been pinned down, he’s acknowledged that, and when Congress passes something, it leaves a lot to the bureaucrats to write with hearings attended mainly by lobbyists. We can’t afford more delays while the country digests another major change.

We have to do more than balance the budget. We have to run surpluses as big as Obama’s deficits. The only way to do all that is to grow the economy. The one best equipped to do that is Romney, like it or not.

He’s done it before. “It’s his wheelhouse,” in the words of Rep. John Campbell. His impulse is to find ways to cut costs, to find areas of inefficiency and waste and fix or eliminate them. The federal government is a target rich environment.

If the best you can come up with is calling somebody a RINO, you’re thinking negative, not positive. Support whomever you want, but the one to attack is Obama, not other Republicans.

flataffect on October 25, 2011 at 5:18 AM

How is Romney qualified to grow the economy? Based on what?

lovingmyUSA on October 25, 2011 at 6:25 AM

Guess I will dial down the age bracket…I should’ve figured that someone who still wears cartoon jammies is hardly capable of making an intelligent comment.

lovingmyUSA on October 25, 2011 at 4:56 AM

Awwww…do you need to let out some baby tears too? Maybe his grammy will make you some warm milk and cookies too?

csdeven on October 25, 2011 at 7:11 AM

176 comments, and promoted to Top Picks.

Pretty thin gruel, AP…

pseudonominus on October 25, 2011 at 10:25 AM

If the best you can come up with is calling somebody a RINO, you’re thinking negative, not positive. Support whomever you want, but the one to attack is Obama, not other Republicans.

flataffect on October 25, 2011 at 5:18 AM

Actually, the one to SUPPORT is the one who is best for the country, because in the end that’s whose best for AJ. If Obama were the best candidate, I would support him wholeheartedly. It’s not about the person, it’s about their ideas, and Herman Cain’s ideas are the best I’ve heard.

He stumbles. He can’t cleanly delineate between a personal pro-life position and a political small government view, but he’s not alone in that (in fact I’d put him in the majority). He can’t clearly define his foreign policy stance, but I’m comfortable that he considers as enemies the same people that I do, and the same people friends. That right there is a big plus in my book, because as he learns he’ll make the right choices.

And his 9-9-9 plan is a tough pill. It’s rough and it needs work and it’s a bit scary. But it’s got the country talking about real alternatives. We all know it’s going to take something just this side of a miracle to fix things, he’s just not afraid to come out and say it. He’s trying to figure out how to fix this country, not how to position himself to get elected.

And it’s making the political establishment crazy. Any person who can simultaneously p*ss off the Democrats and the Republican establishment (or am I repeating myself?) is alright in my book.

The more I see, the more I like (yeah, the more I dislike, too, but the like outweighs the dislike). Is it a mistake to support Cain? Perhaps. But it’s the kind of mistake I can live with.

AJsDaddie on October 25, 2011 at 10:51 AM

UNTIL these questions are asked of Obama, don’t even go there with there are areas that he has no interest in bs – and please the no experience (as with Sarah Palin too) – take a long look at what we have in the White House right now and how far down the road of economic, world standing and social destruction the US has gone since he took office.

And the above is the exact reason America is floundering and in real jeopardy for the future. Slick car salesman patter and Cult of Personality great looks and delivery have taken the place of sound political beliefs and values.

jackal40 on October 25, 2011 at 11:59 AM

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