WaPo fact checks Biden on rape, murder claims for jobs bill

posted at 10:45 am on October 21, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

The question of whether Joe Biden has his facts straight is almost always an easy content generator for writers, and in most cases an entertaining mission.  However, no one thinks that Biden’s claim that opponents to Barack Obama’s jobs bill want more rapes and murders is the least bit charming or entertaining; despicable would be a better term.  Glenn Kessler at the Washington Post has another word for it … absurd.  Not only did Biden and his office get their facts wrong — rapes have not “tripled” in Flint, but actually decreased in the period Biden cited — no one has ever made a causal link between police staffing and crime rates:

This brings us to the central point of Biden’s argument–that fewer police officers means more crime. More police officers might certainly mean more arrests and convictions, particularly for less noteworthy crimes, but researchers have strived to make a link between murders and officers on the street.

University of Chicago economist Steven D. Levitt, who examined ten possible factors for why crime fell in the 1990s, made a noteworthy effort in 2004 to assess the importance of additional cops. He included the increase in police as one factor that could explain the decline in crime. But he also said that other key factors included a rising prison population, the receding crack epidemic and even the legalization of abortion (which resulted in fewer unwanted births).

In other words, even if you could make a link, it is likely one of many factors that affects the crime rate, not the single one, as Biden suggests. The FBI itself lists more than a dozen variables in what causes crime to increase in a community.

I actually laughed out loud when I read this scolding from Kessler, who gives Biden the maximum four Pinocchios for his ludicrous argument:

In any case, the vice president should know better than to spout off half-baked facts in service of a dubious argument. Even if one believes there is a link between crime and the number of police—which is debatable and subject to many caveats—there is no excuse to make the dramatic claim that more people will die or be raped without additional funds for police. When making such a breathtaking charge, you had better have your facts straight.

The Veep “should know better than to spout off half-baked facts in service of a dubious argument”?  Hey, that’s Joe Biden’s entire life.  Remember “Recovery Summer”?  Does anyone recall Biden telling CBS News how President Franklin Delano Roosevelt went on television after the 1929 crash to reassure America, even though FDR was two years away from winning his first presidential election and the only people watching TV in 1929 were those experimenting with the technology?  The only time I can recall Biden getting anything right was when he gave speeches during his presidential bid in 1987 about the hard life of his family — and the only reason he got it right was because he was talking about Neil Kinnock’s family in speeches Biden plagiarized from the British politician.

Besides, Biden never intended to debate the facts.  He just wanted to sling mud in an attempt to demagogue rational opposition to a replay of the same policies that brought us Biden’s “Recovery Summer” in 2010.  He should get a couple of McCarthys to go along with his Pinocchios.

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Let him go; he’s on a roll!

/germans, pearl harbor, etc.

Ward Cleaver on October 21, 2011 at 10:50 AM

I believe Obama picked Greasy Joe so that in comparison he would look competent.

csdeven on October 21, 2011 at 10:50 AM

The only thing he is famous for other than being a liar and an idiot is putting “Pay Grade” into play in daily life.

golfmann on October 21, 2011 at 10:50 AM

and HE is one heartbeat away?!

DrStock on October 21, 2011 at 10:51 AM

He didnt mean “Rape Rape” just ya know rape.

William Amos on October 21, 2011 at 10:51 AM

and HE is one heartbeat away?!

DrStock on October 21, 2011 at 10:51 AM

And one brain cell away….

William Amos on October 21, 2011 at 10:52 AM

I believe Obama picked Greasy Joe so that in comparison he would look competent.

csdeven on October 21, 2011 at 10:50 AM

The “I’M WITH STUPID” idea.

Ward Cleaver on October 21, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Obama’s VP and he got this decision right. For sure!

Dusty on October 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM

The Vahss Prezduncy is lahk a boks o’ chawklits.

OhioCoastie on October 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM

In other words, even if you could make a link, it is likely one of many factors that affects the crime rate, not the single one, as Biden suggests.

Such is the problem with such intellectual light-weights such as Biden. Crime is a multivariate problem. Economic factors, family issues, education, drug use and so on are all involved in the mix and help explain the larger story of crime. Rarely does a single variable explain a significant amount of the variance in the outcome. That is the fallacy that Joe Biden, criminologist extraordinare, is trying to spin. He’s pushing a univariate argument through a multivariate problem. That’s lying, straight up.

ted c on October 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM

I think we should let him make the claim that rapes and murders have tripled on his Administration’s watch. Vote Obama/Biden 2012 and get more Mayhem, Murder and Rape!! /winning slogan

txmomof6 on October 21, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Biden is everything that is wrong with the federal government. He’s a liar, unaccomplished, wholly ignorant of economics and a thug.

mankai on October 21, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Don’t get me started on Biden…yesterday afternoon I’m minding my own business driving southbound on Interstate 93 here in central New Hampshire, and all of a sudden both lanes of cars came to a halt-the State Cops had shut the southbound highway down completely.

Turns out Uncle Joe had been speaking to the young Minds Full of Mush just to the north at Plymouth State University (one of the top Party Schools in the US BTW), and was going down 93 to Concord to file O’bama’s election papers at the State House. He suddenly decided to have the entire motorcade exit I-93 at Tilton, so he could get a piece of Apple Pie at the Tilt-N Diner just off the exit. Gee, what a surprise-he runs into our Democrat Governor, John Lynch, who by the strangest coincidence just happened to be at the same diner at the very same time.

/

The cops kept the southbound lanes closed for another 15 minutes, and then when Uncle Joe was ready to go again they formed a rolling roadblock behind his Circus Parade. Needless to say there were a lot of angry southbound drivers!

Thank You, Vice President Bite Me.

PS, just checked Uncle Joe’s Daily Schedule for the next 7 days. He’s doing absolutely nothing. Figures.

Del Dolemonte on October 21, 2011 at 10:57 AM

and HE is one heartbeat away?!

DrStock on October 21, 2011 at 10:51 AM

But, like, totally, thank Gaia we don’t have that evil Sarah Palin as VP!!

By the way, what does “YGBFKM” mean in the caption?

jwolf on October 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM

When his doctors were performing brain surgery, did they need a micro-machines consult?

DrAllecon on October 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM

One would think that Jill Biden, herself a PhD in education? IIRC?, would sit little Joey down in the corner and explain to him how many factors, not just one, contribute to crime. Many of the same statistical models used in crime rates came from education research (and probably most of the subjects as well).

ted c on October 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Tell us what you know about Multivariate Statistics, Joe….g’head.

ted c on October 21, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Biden perpetually speaks from the wrong end, which may be why every word he utters is pure shite. This set of claims is so patently and offensively absurd that I’m a little surprised the ComPost bothered with them.

CantCureStupid on October 21, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Factcheck.org also destroyed Biden:

Biden’s Whopper in Flint, Mich.

nickj116 on October 21, 2011 at 10:59 AM

When he’s not making stuff up he’s quiet.

Akzed on October 21, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Is there a way to have Joe committed. On second thought let’s leave him inseparable from bo, the gift that keeps on giving.

tim c on October 21, 2011 at 10:59 AM

I’m convinced that the reason Biden is VP is that the Dems felt they needed to stop Senator Biden from embarrassing them every time he met with the press. And what better way to keep someone away from the press than to make him VP?

landlines on October 21, 2011 at 11:01 AM

By the way, what does “YGBFKM” mean in the caption?

jwolf on October 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM

You’ve Got to Be F’ing Kidding Me.

I’m not sure what YGBFKM stands for, I was talking about Biden.

DrAllecon on October 21, 2011 at 11:01 AM

I believe Obama picked Greasy Joe so that in comparison he would look competent.

I believe he picked Biden so that the Secret Service would be especially vigilant. Pretty much the mirror image of why he didn’t pick Hillary.

Fabozz on October 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM

Joe Biden, the reason we need to pass the NMLB Act — No Moron Left Behind.

TXUS on October 21, 2011 at 11:03 AM

He included the increase in police as one factor that could explain the decline in crime. But he also said that other key factors included a rising prison population, the receding crack epidemic and even the legalization of abortion

and all three of those make sense.

except to lil’ Joe.

ted c on October 21, 2011 at 11:04 AM

The Vahss Prezduncy is lahk a boks o’ chawklits.

OhioCoastie on October 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM

LMAO with a mouth full of tea… you owe me a new keyboard, pal. :-D

CantCureStupid on October 21, 2011 at 11:06 AM

The Vahss Prezduncy is lahk a boks o’ chawklits.

OhioCoastie on October 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM

LOL.

Yeah, “You never know what you’re gonna get”.

Except, we kinda did, didn’t we? And Joe continues to not disappoint. Man, at some point we’re gonna look back longingly, missing his ol’ Delaware hijinks. /sarc

dissent555 on October 21, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Do Washington Post JournoFrauds ever fact check each other? I wonder how this so-called fact checker defines ‘exile’?

MNHawk on October 21, 2011 at 11:07 AM

and even the legalization of abortion (which resulted in fewer unwanted black people)

Fixed for reality, and Washington Post readers.

MNHawk on October 21, 2011 at 11:09 AM

What a maroon

And morning Joe defending him this am
Idiots

cmsinaz on October 21, 2011 at 11:09 AM

It’s OK, we all know Joe sleeps in a a hyperbolic chamber.
He can’t help it – he’s gaffe-tastic!

kooly on October 21, 2011 at 11:12 AM

I believe Obama picked Greasy Joe so that in comparison he would look competent.

csdeven on October 21, 2011 at 10:50 AM

The “I’M WITH STUPID” idea.

Ward Cleaver on October 21, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Actually, Obama and Biden could wear “I’M WITH STUPID” t-shirts whenever they’re together and it’d be accurate.

Josiah on October 21, 2011 at 11:12 AM

How many rapes and murders happened because of the $500M the SCOAMF wasted on Solyndra!

cirrus on October 21, 2011 at 11:12 AM

What about the raping of our paychecks?

SouthernGent on October 21, 2011 at 11:14 AM

I knew this was a bogus arugment the moment I heard it. More cops have never meant lower crime rates, especially rape and murder. Don’t get me wrong, I’m for more cops, if a paticular jurisdiction thinks it needs to increase it’s authorized strength, and they are willing to pay for it. Another problem with this plan is that the officers will only be funded for one year. Went through this with Clinton and his COPS program, although that was for 3 years. After 3 years many cities had to let the COPS officers go as they could no longer afford them. Hiring cops and firefighters is the job of the city, county, or state, not the federal government. Evey time they get involved, things are messed up.

kam582 on October 21, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Seems to me Biden is second only to the President when it comes to lying. He lied many times during his debate with Palin. (But she still won! Can I call you Asst. Liar in Chief?)

Christian Conservative on October 21, 2011 at 11:23 AM

and even the legalization of abortion (which resulted in fewer unwanted black people)

Fixed for reality, and Washington Post readers.

MNHawk on October 21, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Oh, I’m quite sure most WaPo readers know exactly what was meant, as they themselves favotr legal abortion for that very reason.

Not that they’ll admit it outside Georgetown cocktail parties…

JohnGalt23 on October 21, 2011 at 11:26 AM

He should get a couple of McCarthys to go along with his Pinocchios.

That wouldn’t be senator Joe who keeps being accused by libs of railroading people in the House Unamerican Activities Committee. The libs still have that wrong.

chemman on October 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM

the truth is a stranger to these people…..

ted c on October 21, 2011 at 11:30 AM

He wasn’t talking about rape, rape. Geeze people. LOL

Like any fact checking is going to stop him. He’ll just keep doing what he’s doing til he hits something.

capejasmine on October 21, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Keep talking Joe!
:-)

albill on October 21, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Oh, Biden, what shall I say. The man tells so many lies, he doesn’t have the earthly idea of what the truth is. And, the scary part is that he becomes president if something happens to Mr. Teleprompter.

SC.Charlie on October 21, 2011 at 11:38 AM

I think that he has been let loose to hang himself for a reason. He may have even been told to say this crazy stuff. More like this from him and it would be very easy for Obama to make the case that he needs a new VP. Obama changing his running mate might make the difference in Obama winning again.

LaurieM134 on October 21, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Oh, I’m quite sure most WaPo readers know exactly what was meant, as they themselves favotr legal abortion for that very reason.

Not that they’ll admit it outside Georgetown cocktail parties…

JohnGalt23 on October 21, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Which reminds me, who are the finalists for that prestigious Margaret Sanger Award, this year?

MNHawk on October 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Here’s a news video of Uncle Joe’s visit to NH yesterday-includes his stop for Apple Pie while us Peons were sitting on the blocked-off highway.

Also some great Comedy Relief as he later files the papers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZwvn5aDGvg&feature=uploademail

The Democrats told me if I voted for McCain that I’d get an Idiot for VP. They were so right.

Del Dolemonte on October 21, 2011 at 11:41 AM

More example of Democrats set to be buried in shoeboxes (to save the planet) after enemas.

Speakup on October 21, 2011 at 11:41 AM

I’ve heard his Secret Service nickname is Insurance Policy.

IlonaE on October 21, 2011 at 11:43 AM

I’ve heard his Secret Service nickname is Insurance Policy.

IlonaE on October 21, 2011 at 11:43 AM

it should be Face Palm

ted c on October 21, 2011 at 11:48 AM

In any case, the vice president should know better than to spout off half-baked facts in service of a dubious argument.

Why should Joey stop now? He’s excelled at bullshiting all his life.

GarandFan on October 21, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Isn’t it wonderful that our gov’t, through one of its’ most prominent spokesman, is telling us we don’t rape and mug people is because the police are watching? Our gov’t worries about prayer in school, lapel flag pins, crosses in public places other other worrisome religious symbols. Our country is crying in humiliation and shame about our elected leaders.

Herb on October 21, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 21, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Love it! Love it!

Herb on October 21, 2011 at 12:02 PM

You know, the entire legislative agenda of this administration revolves entirely around money laundering; this is the Chicago mafia perfected.

They funnel taxpayer money through unions (in the case of Flint, police unions) to be cleaned by way of paychecks and returned to their personal coffers in the form of political donations extracted from workers through union dues. And, if it seems likely that the washing machine is breaking down, they simply re-write the law so that the taxpayer is reimbursed last -or more correctly, not reimbursed at all.

Al Capone is smiling from below.

BKeyser on October 21, 2011 at 12:09 PM

The Democrats told me if I voted for McCain that I’d get an Idiot for VP. They were so right.

Del Dolemonte on October 21, 2011 at 11:41 AM

And this thread is hereby closed!

MNHawk on October 21, 2011 at 12:11 PM

You know, when I saw his remarks the other day I thought, wow, he’s sounding angry and hateful. Normally he sounds like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, and anyone listening to him would think he was probably exaggerating, but to spew lies with that hateful and angry tone of his is, as Ed says, despicable. I can’t wait to get despicable people our of our capital. It’s really become depressing and shameful.

scalleywag on October 21, 2011 at 12:14 PM

And you know what else? This administration could care less when they get caught telling despicable lies. They know nothing will ever become of it.

scalleywag on October 21, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Evil Republican cabal meeting at my house we’ll be discussing how to make air and water even dirtier, getting more women to die on the floor, encouraging rapes and robberies and how to transfer wealth to billionaires and millionaires. Refreshments provided by Haliburton immediately following the meeting we will be pushing a granny off a cliff.

ldbgcoleman on October 21, 2011 at 12:18 PM

But he also said that other key factors included a rising prison population, the receding crack epidemic and even the legalization of abortion (which resulted in fewer unwanted births).

He kind of missed one there, didn’t he? The rise in more liberal gun carry policies should certainly be considered as a factor in all of this. It’s not so much fun for the goblins when they know that there is a possibility that the good-looking, innocent young blond potential victim they are stalking might be packing something that will end their plans permanently.

What’s even more ironic, the number of cops on the street has gone down while the availability and proliferation of firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens has skyrocketed in the past 3 years (post November 2008), yet the crime rate has actually gone down. Somebody needs to stuff that into their multivariate analysis and blend it.

What ol’ Joe misses here is that the 911 call doesn’t stop a crime in progress, it gets a cop there more quickly, most likely after the crime is over, to pick up the pieces and write the report.

AZfederalist on October 21, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Anybody been keeping tabs on those Ohio police cadets that got temporary jobs from Porkulus-I ?
How many of them have since got 99-week benefits ?

/.

CaveatEmpty on October 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Stand Up…..
It’s funny and everything but so frustrating. I tried to tell anyone who cared in 2008 that he is a moron but all I got was Palin, Palin, Palin. Comparing the two, I got lambasted – from my REPUBLICAN (now RINO) friends who got brainwashed about Palin. So frustrated….

Strike Twice on October 21, 2011 at 1:06 PM

I believe Obama picked Greasy Joe so that in comparison he would look competent.

csdeven on October 21, 2011 at 10:50 AM

Yes, he aimed that low and STILL barely accomplished this task.

When I first heard dummy’s rape and robbery speil, my thought was “what rapist allows the victim to call the cops in time for them to prevent the act? What robber, who already has a gun to someone’s head (it’s what the dummy said), just lets the victim call the cops before he’s cleaned the poor slob out?”

Doesn’t anyone think critically about this stuff? Surely ONE reporter noticed that as well.

runawayyyy on October 21, 2011 at 2:14 PM

If Joe Biden were really worried about rape, and wanted to spend government money to prevent it, he would introduce a Guns Bill: $250 billion to arm every woman in America who is not already armed, reciprocity for concealed carry, gun safety courses for women, and discount ammunition.

The advantage is that years from now, women would still be armed and preventing rape, long after the Jobs Bill would have run out of money. Rather than spending more government money investigating rapes, prosecuting rapes, and putting rapists in prison (cost: $30,000 per year), we would have a one-time fee of burying the perp.

Half the cost. More than double the effectiveness. What’s the problem?

Roxeanne de Luca on October 21, 2011 at 2:15 PM

More Fun With Uncle Joe from yesterday here in NH…in this exciting clip he and Democrat Governor John Lynch eat their pie-the Guv actually feeds some to the Democrat Media camera dude who is filming them making fools out of themselves.

Meanwhile, yours truly and hundreds of other southbound motorists are still sitting just outside the diner on a closed down section of Interstate 93 waiting for him to getalife and get the heck outta there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDMvg32kR5Q&feature=uploademail

Del Dolemonte on October 21, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Which reminds me, who are the finalists for that prestigious Margaret Sanger Award, this year?

MNHawk on October 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM

This could take the prize this year.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/01/19/philly-doctor-facing-8-counts-of-murder/

Solaratov on October 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM

He really should just stick to stealing other people’s material.

Blacklake on October 21, 2011 at 3:47 PM

http://www.freep.com/article/20111021/NEWS06/110210365/Drivers-face-drug-checkpoints-highways-near-Flint?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Perhaps if the Flint police weren’t so busy violating the Fourth Amendment, they would have more time and resources available to combat this supposed increase in crime.

RonD504 on October 21, 2011 at 3:59 PM

In any case, the vice president should know better than to spout off half-baked facts in service of a dubious argument. Even if one believes there is a link between crime and the number of police—which is debatable and subject to many caveats—there is no excuse to make the dramatic claim that more people will die or be raped without additional funds for police. When making such a breathtaking charge, you had better have your facts straight.

But …. it’s Biden! What exactly did you expect?

There Goes The Neighborhood on October 21, 2011 at 5:51 PM

This idiot is a heartbeat away from being president and we worry about the Republican candidate’s qualifications?

Herb on October 22, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Never interrupt your enemy when he’s undermining his own position.

philwynk on October 22, 2011 at 2:12 PM

I believe murders and rape are down because more and more citizens are packing heat. The police are an afterthought. But Slow Joe could never, NEVER admit that.

RebeccaH on October 22, 2011 at 6:13 PM