Career politicians?

posted at 11:25 am on October 21, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Mitt Romney has come out swinging against Rick Perry as a career politician in an attempt to discredit Perry with Tea Party activists.  That’s a fair point; Perry’s long public-sector tenure represents one of the big issues that conservative grassroots have with establishment Republicans.  It’s up to Perry to demonstrate that he doesn’t fit in that pigeonhole.  Romney even created a website, CareerPolitician.com, as a platform for pressuring Perry on his lack of private-sector experience.

However, as National Journal reported last night, the site itself says something about its owner, too:

Mitt Romney‘s campaign proudly touted the launch of careerpolitician.com Thursday, a website attacks Texas Gov. Rick Perry‘s record. While the Romney campaign announced careerpolitician.com as new website, a review of the site’s registration reveals that its owner in fact registered the domain name several years ago.

According to the GoDaddy.com registration of the domain name, careerpolitician.com, was purchased on March 24th, 2007 and expires on that date in 2013. The registry was recently updated on Sept. 8th, 2011.

So the man criticizing Perry as a “career politician” has been holding the domain name for this particular attack for more than four years.  In fact, the owner held it long before anyone thought of Perry as a potential contender.  That sounds an awful lot like a man who spent the last four years running for President, does it not?  Plus, it’s also fair to point out that Romney was running for federal office in 1994, when he challenged Ted Kennedy for his seat in Massachusetts, before winning the gubernatorial election in 2002 and President in 2007-8.  The only reason Romney hasn’t spent the last seventeen years as a politician is because he lost two of those three elections.

Christopher Peleo-Lazar speculates that Romney might have wanted to use CareerPolitician.com against John McCain or Sam Brownback in 2007-8, but neither make a lot of sense.  Brownback was never a factor in that cycle, and McCain’s record as a war hero would make that argument weak.  I’d bet that it was actually intended for Mike Huckabee, an opponent with whom Romney had feuded in a similar manner as Romney has with Perry.

As more of an aside, does Romney really use GoDaddy for his website needs?  Has anyone on Team Romney watched their soft-porn advertising?  Way to woo the family-values vote, guys.

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Career winning politician v. career mostly loosing politician Romney

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 11:28 AM

Ridiculous.

The only non career politician on the stage is Cain…and even he has run before.

Every other candidate there is an insider, whether they want the label or not.

neoavatara on October 21, 2011 at 11:28 AM

Maybe Rick Perry can start a website called CareerCampaigner.com?

Knucklehead on October 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Just say no…..to Mitt

cmsinaz on October 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM

All Perry needs to say is he has made a career of public service and then show a picture in uniform.

Bill C on October 21, 2011 at 11:30 AM

Romney has been trying to be a career politician for years now, and can’t quite make it. It looks to my like Mitt’s jealous that Perry was able to hold onto power for over 10 years, while Mitt keeps getting rejected.

He’s been running for President for 7 + years now, and still can’t manage to get above 35% of the party to stand behind him.

portlandon on October 21, 2011 at 11:30 AM

Good one knucklehead

cmsinaz on October 21, 2011 at 11:30 AM

oh.. and this too…

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Mutt Romney only wishes he could be a “career politician,” too. The voters had other ideas.

MrScribbler on October 21, 2011 at 11:32 AM

All Perry needs to say is he has made a career of public service and then show a picture in uniform.

Bill C on October 21, 2011 at 11:30 AM

Perfect! And while he’s at it, he may as well hold a gun to the head of the private land owners whose land he wanted to take by eminent domain for the Trans Texas Corridor

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Plus, it’s also fair to point out that Romney was running for federal office in 1994, when he challenged Ted Kennedy for his seat in Massachusetts, before winning the gubernatorial election in 2002 and President in 2007-8. The only reason Romney hasn’t spent the last seventeen years as a politician is because he lost two of those three elections.

Yeah, that’s one of the most annoying BS claims made by Mittens. Yes, he does have way more private sector experience than Perry. Nothing wrong with pointing that out. But to act like his single term as MassachusettEs governor was his only foray into politics is beyond disingenuous.

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 11:33 AM

All Perry needs to say is he has made a career of public service and then show a picture in uniform.

Bill C on October 21, 2011 at 11:30 AM

You mean like this?
That is what I think of Mitt when he tries to be a big boy…and not a momma’s boy.

right2bright on October 21, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Career politicians leave a trail of inconsistencies such as this here…

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM

FIFY.

Bill C on October 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Says the guy running for Pres. nigh unto 4 years.

Weight of Glory on October 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Yes, he does have way more private sector experience than Perry. Nothing wrong with pointing that out. But to act like his single term as MassachusettEs governor was his only foray into politics is beyond disingenuous.

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 11:33 AM

It’s like his mitt-bots who went after Palin for quitting…until they found out Mitt had quit more jobs to run for offices he lost, than most people ever have jobs…

right2bright on October 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 11:31 AM

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Hmmmmm…..plenty of attacks against the candidate you don’t like. Nothing positive about your preferred choice. I sense a pattern here.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM

As more of an aside, does Romney really use GoDaddy for his website needs? Has anyone on Team Romney watched their soft-porn advertising? Way to woo the family-values vote, guys.

yeah really.

The only reason Romney hasn’t spent the last seventeen years as a politician is because he lost two of those three elections.

Perry’s camp oughta buy the wannabecareerpolitician.com domain and smack Romney around for his loserness.

ted c on October 21, 2011 at 11:35 AM

You mean like this?
That is what I think of Mitt when he tries to be a big boy…and not a momma’s boy.

right2bright on October 21, 2011 at 11:33 AM

No, more like this. That is the picture that will get Perry nominated.

Bill C on October 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Romney is a career politician that loses most elections. Perry is a career politician that wins most elections. Romney must think we are really just dumb if he thinks this will work. The only person this really works for is Cain, and I think he would be better off (less gaffes and position changes) if he had a little experience in office.

kerrhome on October 21, 2011 at 11:37 AM

I wish that Romney and Perry would spend more time attacking the target of careerliar.com.

TXUS on October 21, 2011 at 11:37 AM

No, more like this. That is the picture that will get Perry nominated.

Bill C on October 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Heh.

Weight of Glory on October 21, 2011 at 11:38 AM

oh.. and this too…

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Speaking of who loves who, you know who loves Mitt Romney? Wall Street.

Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power.
Benito Mussolini

hmmmm there’s nothing like the smell of corporatism fascism in the morning.

Dr Evil on October 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Romney is a career politician that loses most elections. Perry is a career politician that wins most elections has won every election he entered…

kerrhome on October 21, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Sorry, not a fan of Perry, but the truth. This may be his first loss.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM

How about this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQoBxZZPqU

kerrhome on October 21, 2011 at 11:40 AM

However, as National Journal reported last night, the site itself says something about its owner, too:

Mitt Romney‘s campaign proudly touted the launch of careerpolitician.com Thursday, a website attacks Texas Gov. Rick Perry‘s record. While the Romney campaign announced careerpolitician.com as new website, a review of the site’s registration reveals that its owner in fact registered the domain name several years ago.

According to the GoDaddy.com registration of the domain name, careerpolitician.com, was purchased on March 24th, 2007 and expires on that date in 2013. The registry was recently updated on Sept. 8th, 2011.

Ed, that’s meaningless in the world of domain name business. The name has had two owners according to the record. It sounds like one of those names that spec domain name buyers register in expectation of selling it for a better price than the $ 10-20 they payed to register it.
What’s likely is the Romney people tried registering the name, found it was already registered and up for sale, so they purchased it.
Also common is the owner of a domain name will just let it lapse, then someone else comes along and registers it in his/his business’ own name for a small fee.
So, nothing necessarily nefarious going here.

whatcat on October 21, 2011 at 11:41 AM

According to the GoDaddy.com registration of the domain name, careerpolitician.com, was purchased on March 24th, 2007 and expires on that date in 2013. The registry was recently updated on Sept. 8th, 2011.

The domain is registered as private.

Most likely someone bought the domain in 2007 with the purpose of selling it and Romney bought it on Sept 8th, 2011.

There is no need to compete with the MSM fabricating stories.

gh on October 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM

has mittens starting attacking cain for not having enough political experience yet? cause its coming. one opponent is bad for having too much experience and the other is bad for having not enough. what is it about mass. that turns politicians into flip floppers??

chasdal on October 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Great debate comeback line if Romney tries this:
“Well you TRIED to be, you just kept LOSING elections”…

golfmann on October 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM

whatcat on October 21, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Damn. One minute late.

gh on October 21, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Just because the Romney campaign is using this domain now does not mean they were the ones who registered it back in 2007. His people simple could have contacted the owner of the domain name and bought the rights to it.

JeffinSac on October 21, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Registrant:

Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Speaking of pr0n, pr0n and other fraud spammers use this service, to anonymize their registrations.

MNHawk on October 21, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Just because the Romney campaign is using this domain now does not mean they were the ones who registered it back in 2007. His people simple could have contacted the owner of the domain name and bought the rights to it.

Like I said, Hotair has been in the tank for Perry…so no surprise here.

Chudi on October 21, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Bill C on October 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but that picture is quite old. Back when Perry was a Democrat. Hmmmmmmm.

capejasmine on October 21, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Since it’s a given we’re having a career politician for a Pres, I’ll take Newt!

Rovin on October 21, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Perry’s spent 27 years as a politician…he is a career politician, though I wouldn’t hesitate calling Romney the same. They’re more interested in the title than the work.

MadisonConservative on October 21, 2011 at 11:46 AM

The only reason Romney hasn’t spent the last seventeen years as a politician is because he lost two of those three elections.

Don’t even suggest that Romney is a loser. He’s the bee’s knees!

MeatHeadinCA on October 21, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Like I said, Hotair has been in the tank for Perry…so no surprise here.

Chudi on October 21, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Go see a professional. You need help.

MeatHeadinCA on October 21, 2011 at 11:48 AM

The only thing keeping Romney from being a “career politician” is actually winning elections.

MNHawk on October 21, 2011 at 11:49 AM

this is huge, this changes everything /sarcasm

the more ridiculous the hotair attacks on Romney get, the better he looks.

hanzblinx on October 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Hmmmmm…..plenty of attacks against the candidate you don’t like.
cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM

just trying to counterbalance the full on Perry orgy which has become HA recently… you do realize we have a very low attention span here, right?

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Like I said, Hotair has been in the tank for Perry…so no surprise here.

Chudi on October 21, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Let’s not forget his family. Perhaps we should just refer to him (them) as attempted career politicians.

MeatHeadinCA on October 21, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Like I said, Hotair has been in the tank for Perry…so no surprise here.

Chudi on October 21, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Don’t you get tired of carrying that rock around all day?

Knucklehead on October 21, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Grrr… the last comment for for

The only thing keeping Romney from being a “career politician” is actually winning elections.

MNHawk on October 21, 2011 at 11:49 AM

MeatHeadinCA on October 21, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Hmmmmm…..plenty of attacks against the candidate you don’t like. Nothing positive about your preferred choice. I sense a pattern here.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM

..you mean like all of the Perry supporters here on HA who are *exclusively* posting the good points about their man and refraining from bagging on Romney?

The War Planner on October 21, 2011 at 11:51 AM

According to the GoDaddy.com registration of the domain name, careerpolitician.com, was purchased on March 24th, 2007 and expires on that date in 2013. The registry was recently updated on Sept. 8th, 2011.

The domain is registered as private.

Most likely someone bought the domain in 2007 with the purpose of selling it and Romney bought it on Sept 8th, 2011.

There is no need to compete with the MSM fabricating stories.

gh on October 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Yeah, I noted that and the records show the domain has not only been registered before to the first owner, but that it also had been online before. But bloggers are not often web entrepreneurs, so I don’t expect them to know the nuts and bolts of the business they’re in. It takes some experience in the IT biz to do some serious web sleuthing.

whatcat on October 21, 2011 at 11:52 AM

this is huge, this changes everything /sarcasm

the more ridiculous the hotair attacks on Romney get, the better he looks.

hanzblinx on October 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM

A common comment for in the tank Mittboys.

MeatHeadinCA on October 21, 2011 at 11:52 AM

My gut feelings were correct again with this Mitt fella.

mixplix on October 21, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Updated HA community Candidate Support Groups (Candidates listed in order of most supporters… subject to change):

Herman Cain:2Tru2Tru, Apologetic, Astonerii, BierMan VA, Canopfor,
CatoReansci, Conservalicious, Deedtrader, Dingbat63, Ditkaca, DrW,
Gryphon202, Jhffman, JimW, joe_doufu, Karmi, Katy the mean old lady,
Keep the Change, KingGold, Knucklehead, Lily, Lovingmy USA, MR_Magoo, Ninjapirate, prtlandon, Puncheko, RalphBoy, Rational, ought, redfoxbluestate, Robert_Paulson, ronsfi, Schadenfreude, SlaveDog, Steve Z, Ted c, Txmomof6, Mankai, Gh.

Newt Gingrich: Ameripundit, Bluefox, Carbon_footprint, Christian, Conservative, Cindy Munford, Daemonocracy, Darwin, DKCZ, Don L, Doughboy, El_Terrible, Fossten, Georgealbert, Hellcat, MeatHeadinCA,
Meh, NY Conservative, PowerPro, ProudPalinFan, Puncheko, Redlizard64, Right2bright, sandee, Sharrukin, Unseen, VBMax,
A capella, Spanky, Floating Rock, Huckleberryfriend, JellyToast, Bflat879, cycncook, BuckeyeSam, Victor82.

Rick Perry: Annoyinglittletwerp, Aslans Girl, Bluefox, Cartooner, Christian Conservative, Cmsinaz, Darwin, Dire Straits, Dr. evil,
Flyfisher, Gophergirl, Jeffn21, Juliesa, Marcus, NickDeringer,
Rukiddingme, Steve Z, The Right Man.

Mitt Romney: Andy85719, csdeven, Faraway, jjshaka,,Lorien1973,
MJ Brutus, Nswider, Petunia, Sheryl, Swamp Yankee, Thuja,
Voter from WA State, Pcoop, Joepub.

If I have missed someone or you should be lited under a different candidate please send an email with your screen name and “HOTAIR” in the subject line to prov22.17-21@juno.com and I will update.

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 11:54 AM

just trying to counterbalance the full on Perry orgy which has become HA recently… you do realize we have a very low attention span here, right?

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM

.you mean like all of the Perry supporters here on HA who are *exclusively* posting the good points about their man and refraining from bagging on Romney?

The War Planner on October 21, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Just an observation. Here is the perfect opportunity to defend what Romney has accomplished. He has accomplished many things. Yet, instead of that, y’all just bash Perry. Kind of like the purpose of Romney’s new website.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM

If it weren’t for a 30-inch-in-24-hour rain, Perry might be close to retirement as a pilot for Southwest Airlines:

From farm to politics, Perry follows in family’s footsteps

Ward Cleaver on October 21, 2011 at 11:59 AM

If Danica Patrick in a bikini is soft porn, then I’m a fan of soft porn.

swamp_yankee on October 21, 2011 at 11:59 AM

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Thanks, I have wanted to see a list like this.

You could add though; ABO, Anyone But Obama. And put me under that one.

Spathi supports Ron Paul.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 12:00 PM

I don’t care if a career politician is a career politician. Lincoln was a lawyer by profession but was also a congressman who also ran (unsuccessfully) twice for the Senate. His experience as a lawyer polished his debating and rhetorical skills and the study of law no doubt sharpened his mind, but I don’t think I’ve read any historian who lamented Lincoln didn’t spend enough time in the private sector splitting rails, working as a flatboat hand, or co-owning a general store.

The danger of a professional life spent solely in government is the tendency of established public servants to view the day-to-day struggles of those whom they serve as a statistical abstraction rather than as the very real and worrisome ordeal it can sometimes be. I know only a little of Rick Perry’s life story, but I do know the man has known his share of hardship. He’s no Country Club Republican. That hat, those boots: he can wear them without being a phony. Perry’s real, and I admire him for it.

troyriser_gopftw on October 21, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Texted to address, RedLizard, but wouldn’t let me add subject line. Anyway, Perry supporter here.

XWing5 on October 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Perfect! And while he’s at it, he may as well hold a gun to the head of the private land owners whose land he wanted to take by eminent domain for the Trans Texas Corridor

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Romney wants to condemn as much private land for a border fence, so that’s a wash.

juliesa on October 21, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Failedcareerpolitician dot com

bitsy on October 21, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Here is the perfect opportunity to defend what Romney has accomplished. He has accomplished many things. Yet, instead of that, y’all just bash Perry. Kind of like the purpose of Romney’s new website.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM

..calm down, old son, I am NOT bashing Perry. I am just pointing out that the HA pro-Perry commenters are engaging in the internecine criticism you describe. Frankly, it’s a turn-off and might just drive folks away from Perry in the long run.

True we’re only talking about a hundred voters or so here but still.

The War Planner on October 21, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Mitt Romney IS NOT a career politician – he’s a LIFETIME politician.

Let’s get this straight – Mitt was RAISED in a political household. His Dad was a Governor – which is probably one of the reasons that Mitt Romney drew a high number in the draft lottery for Vietnam. Mitt’s mother ran for a Senate seat – and he apparently even helped her with that because he says a lot of his early views on abortion were “shaped” by his mother in that race.

Then – you can throw in Mitt’s own political history since he’s become an adult … as a Governor in Massachusettes. When he was in UTAH – he even explored running for office there.

Mitt’s been out of the Governor’s Mansion for years … what’s he been doing? Well – if you’ll remember – he told one crowd … “Hey I’m unemployed too!”

Now just think about that – here’s a guy who heralds himself as a “job creator” and “business expert” – and he hasn’t been working in business for well over a decade! Who says he even remembers how to be a good businessman? He’s been away from it so long.

We’ve been losing jobs in this nation since 2007 … and “The Superman of the Business World” – one Mr. Mittens RomneyCare hasn’t had the inspiration to go out there … start up a company … hire some workers and start turning things around?

What the hell?

HondaV65 on October 21, 2011 at 12:13 PM

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 11:54 AM

That’s an interesting list. You really have to follow the discussion threads closely to even come up with that. I’m not sure its good for your health, but I guess somebody has to do it. I’m firmly in the Perry camp now since Palin didn’t run and Cain keeps giving me pause with his woeful blunders.

JonPrichard on October 21, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Spathi supports Ron Paul.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 12:00 PM

There are so few RP supporters that I haven’t included so far…should I for courtesy sake?

XWing5 on October 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Received, will include in next posting.

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Romney wants to condemn as much private land for a border fence, so that’s a wash.

juliesa on October 21, 2011 at 12:07 PM

lol.. Trans Texas Corridor is the continuation of the magnet which Perry is so fond of discussing… He already is bending over backwards to subsidize their healthcare (wouldn’t want to be heartless now would we?), he’s championed trans-national healthcare plans, so why not build a big ol’ freakin’ highway while we’re at it.

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 12:15 PM

If I have missed someone or you should be lited under a different candidate please send an email with your screen name and “HOTAIR” in the subject line to prov22.17-21@juno.com and I will update.
RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Did those commenters ask to be put on your list, RedLizard?

whatcat on October 21, 2011 at 12:16 PM

We’ve been losing jobs in this nation since 2007 … and “The Superman of the Business World” – one Mr. Mittens RomneyCare hasn’t had the inspiration to go out there … start up a company … hire some workers and start turning things around?

What the hell?

HondaV65 on October 21, 2011

Yeah, good point. And then, how long has it been since Herman Cain ran a business?

JonPrichard on October 21, 2011 at 12:16 PM

^^ healthcare education

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Yeah, good point. And then, how long has it been since Herman Cain ran a business?

JonPrichard on October 21, 2011 at 12:16 PM

He’s running one now – his consulting business – the one his campaign is buying books from.

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 12:18 PM

..calm down, old son, I am NOT bashing Perry. I am just pointing out that the HA pro-Perry commenters are engaging in the internecine criticism you describe. Frankly, it’s a turn-off and might just drive folks away from Perry in the long run.

True we’re only talking about a hundred voters or so here but still.

The War Planner on October 21, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Well now, I have noticed mostly the opposite. Its getting like the Palin threads. Rabid Romney supporters flood every Perry thread and inject their mostly discredited anti-Perry rants into every other thread. And that’s ignoring your little jab at Perry supporters at the end of the quoted post. If you want to take on a rabid Perry supporting nutball, by all means go right ahead. I don’t want to deny anybody the enjoyment of outing any nutball. It’s fun.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Did those commenters ask to be put on your list, RedLizard?

whatcat on October 21, 2011 at 12:16 PM

No…do you think it is a bad idea…just trying to give a sense of strngth of support and sometimes whan I AM following a thread it shard to understand a person intent with what they say without coupling it to who they support. Not trying to ding anyone or stir the pot…if anyone wants off the list I can remove or if enough folks dislike I will only post numbers…thoughts anyone?

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Wow! I had no idea someone was taking names. I read but rarely post in candidate threads because of the whole Hot Air/Allah/Ed is in the tank for Romney/Perry/Cain that they all seem to desend into. It gets on my nerves.

It seems like it depends on the point of view of the person whose candidate of choice is getting less than 100% favorable coverage.

But you got me in the right spot, more or less.

Lily on October 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

There are so few RP supporters that I haven’t included so far…should I for courtesy sake?

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 12:14 PM

In Spathi’s case, yes please. He is almost the number one nutball here. Followed closely by chupachudi, excuse me…Chudi. Pretty sure chudi supports Romney.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Career politicians?

Yes. That’s the point. These are the last people the emerging conservative movement should hitch their wagons to. Obama is far more loyal to the Left than these two will ever be to the Right. They will do you in. They’ll trip over themselves to betray you if it means the promise of plaudits from the MSM.

rrpjr on October 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM

No…do you think it is a bad idea…just trying to give a sense of strngth of support and sometimes whan I AM following a thread it shard to understand a person intent with what they say without coupling it to who they support. Not trying to ding anyone or stir the pot…if anyone wants off the list I can remove or if enough folks dislike I will only post numbers…thoughts anyone?

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Open records, only a person driven by hatred of another candidate would object to people knowing who that person supports. You can guess who one of those posters is.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Did those commenters ask to be put on your list, RedLizard?

whatcat on October 21, 2011 at 12:16 PM

No…do you think it is a bad idea…just trying to give a sense of strngth of support and sometimes whan I AM following a thread it shard to understand a person intent with what they say without coupling it to who they support. Not trying to ding anyone or stir the pot…if anyone wants off the list I can remove or if enough folks dislike I will only post numbers…thoughts anyone?

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

I think there are a couple of potential problems. One being that I’ve found if you’re not much of a fan of “any of the above” and comment on good/bad points of the candidates, people often get mixed up. That is, if you say “Y” sucks on some issue, some people will get the idea it’s an endorsement of “Z”. A few minutes later you can say “Z” sucks on that issue and some people will get the idea it’s an endorsement of “Y”.

whatcat on October 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM

…thoughts anyone?

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

As a corollary to the support list, it is helpful to know the posters who absolutely hate one of the candidates. There are at least a few for the top three. And was a helpful way to keep tack of the one’s that really hated Palin.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but that picture is quite old. Back when Perry was a Democrat. Hmmmmmmm.

capejasmine on October 21, 2011 at 11:45 AM

You didn’t click the picture did you?

Also, the perfect riposte for the Perry was a Democrat line is “I might have been a Democrat but I’ve always been a conservative.” To which Romney will reply, “Were you a conservative when you supported Al Gore for president in 1988?” “I’ll tell you Mitt, the Al Gore of 1988 was a heck of lot more conservative than the Mitt Romney of 1994 or 2002.”

Game, set, match.

Bill C on October 21, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Romney has had this website for four years, and now has a chance to use it?

How can you cite that as a negative?
Seems like pretty good planning to me.

connertown on October 21, 2011 at 12:39 PM

whatcat on October 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Also, electibility in the general, a big part of which is articulation of issues, may be a bigger factor towards choice than actually favoring the views or forgiving the gaffes of any particular candidate. Hate it, but there it is.

a capella on October 21, 2011 at 12:39 PM

lol.. Trans Texas Corridor is the continuation of the magnet which Perry is so fond of discussing… He already is bending over backwards to subsidize their healthcare (wouldn’t want to be heartless now would we?), he’s championed trans-national healthcare plans, so why not build a big ol’ freakin’ highway while we’re at it.

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 12:15 PM

The trans Texas corridor is a system of highways routing traffic around population centers. Only the conspiracy nuts think it is some kind of attempt to end American sovereignty and replace the dollar with something called the Amero. Do you really want to cast your lot with those nuts? Are you a birther, too?

The “trans-national healthcare” plan Perry had was to allow health insurance companies to insure people who lived and worked across the Texas-Mexico border. There are tens of thousands of people who legally cross that border to work from both sides. It just makes sense that their health insurance should work on both sides.

Don’t you feel a little dirty making these spurious charges?

Bill C on October 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Has anyone on Team Romney watched their soft-porn advertising?

I was just doing research…

… Really!

/

Seven Percent Solution on October 21, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Don’t you feel a little dirty making these spurious charges?

Bill C on October 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Not a bit. Just get them started on the fence, or in state tuition, or gardasil, or…

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 12:45 PM

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Looks about right… Glad to see I’m not on any of their lists.

Fallon on October 21, 2011 at 12:48 PM

..you mean like all of the Perry supporters here on HA who are *exclusively* posting the good points about their man and refraining from bagging on Romney?

The War Planner on October 21, 2011 at 11:51 AM

I mainly try to set the record straight from Bull$#!* like this:

lol.. Trans Texas Corridor is the continuation of the magnet which Perry is so fond of discussing… He already is bending over backwards to subsidize their healthcare (wouldn’t want to be heartless now would we?), he’s championed trans-national healthcare plans, so why not build a big ol’ freakin’ highway while we’re at it.

gatorboy on October 21, 2011 at 12:15 PM

That’s so distorted and false, but you never let a good smear go to waste, lizardboy.

cartooner on October 21, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Romney has had this website for four years, and now has a chance to use it?

How can you cite that as a negative?
Seems like pretty good planning to me.

connertown on October 21, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Great point connertown.

For some odd reason, the people who are against Romney with all their heart see his ability to plan ahead and debate well as a nefarious thing, or a bad thing?

If the shoe was on the other foot and Perry had been smart enough to purchase the website, I’m sure they’d be congratulating him and extolling the intelligence of being this well thought out.

I guess they like people who shoot from the hip more than someone who’s intelligent and a good tactician? Two qualities that are paramount in being a good leader.

Perry is a bumbling idiot and lacks foresight.

SauerKraut537 on October 21, 2011 at 12:52 PM

I can remove or if enough folks dislike I will only post numbers…thoughts anyone?

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

I’m fine with the list. It was interesting.

cartooner on October 21, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Romney has had this website for four years, and now has a chance to use it?

How can you cite that as a negative?
Seems like pretty good planning to me.

connertown on October 21, 2011 at 12:39 PM

..you make an excellent point, now standby to get riddled by friendly fire.

The War Planner on October 21, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Romney has had this website for four years, and now has a chance to use it?
How can you cite that as a negative?
Seems like pretty good planning to me.
connertown on October 21, 2011 at 12:39 PM

It would be, lol, but what happened here is Ed got punked bigtime by the National Journal since the name was created/first registered by someone else, not Romney. It’s routine business for domain name speculators to register names for cheap and then sell them at a later date. It can be a lucrative field, a $2 investment can yield an impressive return: The 20 Most Expensive Domain Names Of All Time

At any rate, on this Ed really doesn’t need to look too far to get the general idea – HotAir was first registered in 1995 and, like the Career Politician site, has had 2 owners (registrars).

whatcat on October 21, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Looks about right… Glad to see I’m not on any of their lists.

Fallon on October 21, 2011 at 12:48 PM

So you are undecided? I could change my mind depending..Mostly on who I think could shred obama in substance debating. Despite my disdain for the etablishmentnism of Romney any of the four major contenders would be better in that they would in various measures and in various areas put on the brakes instead of hitting the Bankruptcy accelerator like Obama and his democratic senate are doing now.

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Perry is a bumbling idiot and lacks foresight.

SauerKraut537 on October 21, 2011 at 12:52 PM

I would not go that far; he must have planning and organization skills to win as many elections as he has and to serve as governor of a big state. (Hell, *any* state.)

But it is extremely difficult for many to see his skills given his three debate performances. Also, what is particularly troubling is his coming into this debate *knowing* he had to be prepared given Cain’s “9-9-9″ and Romney’s 59-point plan (as good or bad as they were) and then utter the remark, “..I will be unveiling a flat tax plan towards the end of the week.”

To be honest folks — and I like Perry — but this is what Obama did in July, August, and September: promise and deliver half-baked ideas. The only difference is that Obama took a couple of vacations during that period.

The War Planner on October 21, 2011 at 1:00 PM

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM

1. get my nom off the list because I told you the other day that I am for none, just watching a few

2. quit stalking people on HA

3. if you’re out of things to occupy you with, join the 99rs.

4. what you do/did is creepy on any bord

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2011 at 1:03 PM

The War Planner on October 21, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Fair enough, but there is the politician, and then there is his team.

If it was JUST Romney’s brains and skills vs Perry’s brains and skills though…?

I’m pretty sure Romney would wipe the floor with Perry (rhetorically speaking of course), while Perry seems to me the type that would lay Romney out flat with a punch to the nose when Romney beat him mentally.

SauerKraut537 on October 21, 2011 at 1:03 PM

4. is creepy on any board

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2011 at 1:04 PM

I guess they like people who shoot from the hip more than someone who’s intelligent and a good tactician? Two qualities that are paramount in being a good leader.

Perry is a bumbling idiot and lacks foresight.

SauerKraut537 on October 21, 2011 at 12:52 PM

You’re right. Romney decided to run for president sometime in 2005 and he knew that his liberal record going back decades would never get him past the Republican primaries so he changed all of his positions and learned very effective sound bite defenses for his inconsistent “principles” which he has used in the debates.

Brilliant!

Bill C on October 21, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2011 at 1:03 PM

You can’t stop the signal Mal! I want to know who is for whom when I read comments.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 1:06 PM

You can’t stop the signal Mal! I want to know who is for whom when I read comments.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 1:06 PM

You are given a mind. Use it!

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM

I’m pretty sure Romney would wipe the floor with Perry (rhetorically speaking of course), while Perry seems to me the type that would lay Romney out flat with a punch to the nose when Romney beat him mentally.

SauerKraut537 on October 21, 2011 at 1:03 PM

..I tend to agree. I am a supporter of anyone (even RP) who has the capability of beating Obama. People say that Romney would be the second coming of The Chicago Pantload and get all hissy about that — and that is their right — but my concern is that, if people go into tantrum mode and stay home or vote for Obama just..well..just because, they lose site of the fact that Obama can AND WILL nominate two ultra-liberal SCOTUS justices that will be a millstone around this country for decades to come — especially if/when the pendulum swings back to the liberal side.

For that reason alone, he must be defeated. I will work my asss off for whomever is the nominee, I believe Obama that dangerous.

The War Planner on October 21, 2011 at 1:09 PM

You’re right. Romney decided to run for president sometime in 2005 and he knew that his liberal record going back decades would never get him past the Republican primaries so he changed all of his positions and learned very effective sound bite defenses for his inconsistent “principles” which he has used in the debates.

Brilliant!

Bill C on October 21, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Has it NOT occurred to you that people EVOLVE their thinking on things?

Are you saying that you can never change a stance on something ever?

You can try hard to characterize it as political expedience all you like but I LIKE the fact that he can learn from his mistakes and change his mind on things.

ANYone who’s never going to change their mind on something strikes me as a horrible way to be. I like bend but don’t break, and Romney’s ideas TODAY (which is what really matters) are where they need to be. It’s not like he’s changed ALL of his stances, and look at Perry… He used to be a Democrat for crying out loud. HE changed his mind on some things just like Romney has.

SauerKraut537 on October 21, 2011 at 1:10 PM

You are given a mind. Use it!

Schadenfreude on October 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM

My memory isn’t what it used to be.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 1:10 PM

The War Planner on October 21, 2011 at 1:09 PM

agreed.

I just want a guy in the oval office who can’t be hoodwinked by other politicians lack of knowledge of how to actually run a business.

I want a politician in office who knows what policies to put in place that will enable businesses to thrive and do well.

The REASON so many companies are moving OUT of the US is that it costs so damn much to run businesses here in the US. It’s not that these businesses are GREEDY (some are though), that’s just the way the free market works.

Romney has a plan to lift a lot of those costs off the back of businesses and bring them back home, but it’s hard to compete with a country like China that has forced labor at such low costs.

I think HE has the knowledge and foresight to actually undercut China’s advantage there.

He’s not all knowing mind you, and will of course rely on advice from others, but at least he’d listen to others and take advice. While Perry would be the “I know it all” Texan and charge straight in with less well thought out ideas (because he “decided” that’s the way its gonna be) no matter the cost.

SauerKraut537 on October 21, 2011 at 1:20 PM

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