Cain: For low-income families, it’ll be 9-0-9

posted at 2:45 pm on October 21, 2011 by Tina Korbe

Huh? After weeks of repeating 9-9-9 and, in the process, making his bold and original tax reform plan common knowledge, Herman Cain today altered his slogan:

GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain clarified his much talked-about “9-9-9″ tax plan Friday, saying those who fall at or beneath the poverty level would have a different plan: “9-0-9.”

Cain took heat over his proposal, which replaces the current tax code with a 9% corporate tax, a 9% income tax and a new 9% national sales tax. Opponents have argued the middle part of the plan would increase taxes on the poor, who currently pay little to no taxes.

But Cain fired back Friday, saying in a Detroit speech that those paying no taxes now would continue to pay zero taxes under his plan.

“If you are at or below the poverty level, your plan isn’t 9-9-9 it is 9-0-9,” Cain said. “Say amen y’all. 9-0-9.”

Presumably, no income tax for those at or below the poverty level was always a part of Cain’s plan — but that at least was not a commonly known detail of it. Perhaps his new jingle will ease the “political treacherousness” of proposing a flat tax, serving to underscore Cain’s concern for “income inequality” (despite his outspoken opposition to the Occupy Wall Street crowd). But, then, as Ed explained this morning, to propose a flat tax is less a political liability than some would have us think — and Cain’s new cry of “9-0-9″ undoes a little of the magic of the simplicity of his plan.

Cain today also explained his idea to create “opportunity zones.” Under this new element of his plan, in cities facing high unemployment, businesses could deduct a certain amount of payroll expenses (in addition to purchases) from their corporate taxes. That makes sense to me — but Cain’s entire speech this morning in Detroit (a city with the inordinately high unemployment rate of 14.4 percent) suggests 9-9-9, for all that it is emblazoned on the minds of those who have heard it, is subject to change. Political realities have always constrained its possibility (passage would be quite a feat!) — and the fearful prospect opened up by Rick Santorum at the Bloomberg debate a couple weeks ago of a new revenue stream for the federal government to exploit was never its strongest selling point — but nothing hints at its unfeasibility so much as the adjustments Cain seemed to make to it this morning. He’d like those numbers 9-9-9 to be inflexible, but, already, they aren’t. “Say amen y’all. It’s 9-0-9.” “Amen” frequently follows “forever and ever.” That’s clearly not the case here.

Update: A reader e-mailed me to say “opportunity zones” have always been a part of Cain’s plan. Formerly, they were called “empowerment zones.”


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First candidate to every give people a tax increase and a tax cut before ever being elected!

lorien1973 on October 21, 2011 at 2:48 PM

Now I’m really anxious to read Perry’s plan.

gophergirl on October 21, 2011 at 2:49 PM

I am really into Herman Cain but his gaffes and ‘making it up as he goes along’ is beginning to chafe me. I’m beginning to wonder if this isn’t so much a campaign as it is a book selling tour.

Please, Herman, get your act together ASAP.

FlatFoot on October 21, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Newt is the smartest one in the group.

Socmodfiscon on October 21, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Cain today also explained his idea to create “opportunity zones.” Under this new element of his plan, in cities facing high unemployment, businesses could deduct a certain amount of payroll expenses (in addition to purchases) from their corporate taxes.

Sounds kinda like a loophole to me. Picking winners and losers, mebbe?

a capella on October 21, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Obligatory question: what comes on the one after 909?

John the Libertarian on October 21, 2011 at 2:51 PM

My hope for Herman Cain is fading fast.

wb-33777 on October 21, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Formula 999 909 409

portlandon on October 21, 2011 at 2:51 PM

It’s that 3rd “9″ that’s actually the biggest sticking point for low income earners. A few questions regarding the middle “9″. What is the current poverty level considered? Is it the same nationwide or does it vary depending on your location(living in NYC costs way more than living in OKC)? And most importantly, would 9-9-9 still be revenue neutral when 9-0-9 is mixed in?

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 2:52 PM

I want to love Cain, God knows he is still the best we’ve got IMHO, but it’s time like these that make me scratch my head. If he’s unwilling to stand strong on his ideas this early on…how can he be trusted to be the anti-Romney or anti-Perry? We want someone, anyone to stand on principle and not just say anything to get elected.

search4truth on October 21, 2011 at 2:53 PM

“And for really well connected companies, it’ll be 0-0-0.”

In a couple of weeks from now:

“And for the middle class, it’ll be 35-47-15.”

BobMbx on October 21, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Soon it’s gonna be Plan 867-5309

search4truth on October 21, 2011 at 2:53 PM

What is the current poverty level considered?

The premium digital cable package w/o HD?

BobMbx on October 21, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Actually, his plan is 0-0-0 for those below the poverty line….just like it is now.

I think I’ve heard enough from Cain

NEXT….

takeamericabackin10 on October 21, 2011 at 2:54 PM

And most importantly, would 9-9-9 still be revenue neutral when 9-0-9 is mixed in?

9-9-9 was never revenue neutral except under the fantastical assumption that it would cause the GDP to double in just a couple years.

AngusMc on October 21, 2011 at 2:54 PM

With the flip-flops this guy does, I have to ask:

How long until we hear Plan One After 909

JohnGalt23 on October 21, 2011 at 2:55 PM

“And for the middle class, it’ll be 35-47-15.”

BobMbx on October 21, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Hey. That was my High school locker combo my junior year!

portlandon on October 21, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Herb, you’re finished with me…

I pray Newt gains momentum.

trs on October 21, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Whatever…

… I just like the part about getting rid of the current tax code first.

Can you imagine what would happen to the political elite ruling class if they could not manipulate the tax code for millions in payoffs anymore…?

Seven Percent Solution on October 21, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Fair Tax!

FloatingRock on October 21, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Yeah but, if you turn 9-0-9 upside down…

BadMojo on October 21, 2011 at 2:57 PM

I said I’m traveling on the one after 909.

rhombus on October 21, 2011 at 2:58 PM

JohnGalt23 on October 21, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Great minds think alike. But mine was a blazing 4 minutes faster!

John the Libertarian on October 21, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Sad to say, looks like we get the RINO Romney. Another nose-holding election.

wb-33777 on October 21, 2011 at 2:58 PM

So, I guess at this point, we go back to the previously rejected candidates, and give them a second look? Well, except for Pawlenty, of course.

Vashta.Nerada on October 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Perry now has a prime opportunity to step up with a killer flat tax plan. However, if he fumbles the rollout like he has fumbled everything else in his campaign, I think the momentum may shift to Newt.

Meh on October 21, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Group 1 excluded from paying for the benefits they get from government. Groups 2 through 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,909 to be determined shortly after enactment. By the time they get done with the 3 instead of 2 rates, we will have 3 times as many rules and regulations requiring 10 times the number of government agents to enforce them as we have today.

astonerii on October 21, 2011 at 3:01 PM

I think Cain figured he’d never be a serious contender. So he came up with a 9-9-9 plan and thought, yea sure why not. No details figuring nobody would ever care about details. Then all of a sudden he surges and it’s holy shit, we need some details. Hence the daily changes to the plan.

angryed on October 21, 2011 at 3:01 PM

But Ann Coulter just loves her some Romney-Cain. So it’s all good.

Quit yer complainin’.

/

GrannyDee on October 21, 2011 at 3:02 PM

No one should pay nothing. 9-1-9 would be better.

I’ve always said if you would eliminate the “free” breakfast and “free” lunch programs at schools and make those families pay 25-50 cents per meal (very reasonable), districts/states would save millions and people would feel some ownership.

mankai on October 21, 2011 at 3:02 PM

What is the current poverty level considered?
The premium digital cable package w/o HD?

BobMbx on October 21, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Ding Ding Ding!

We have a winner!

Tim Zank on October 21, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Cain is just growing stupid right before our eyes. No one appears more devious and shifty as when they change their plans to pacify a portion of the group. Is he now pandering to the OWS folks? After all the talk about everyone paying their fair share, he wants to give the 47% who have never paid taxes a pass, and let the middle and upper class share all of the burden?

Time to go back to flipping pizza dough Herman. We’ve seen enough to know that you really don’t have a clue…

stacman on October 21, 2011 at 3:04 PM

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 2:52 PM

I believe it is $22,000/yr. for a family of four, and I believe the only regional adjustments are for Alaska and Hawaii (someone correct me if I’m wrong); however, benefits they receive from taxpayers (food stamps, etc.) are not calculated as income.

DrMagnolias on October 21, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Great minds think alike. But mine was a blazing 4 minutes faster!

John the Libertarian on October 21, 2011 at 2:58 PM

You had the advantage over me… when I thought of the idea, I was in the middle of Telegraph Road, and I didn’t want to cut the jam at the end short to search for the vid…

But yes… great minds do think alike…

JohnGalt23 on October 21, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Plan 9-0-9 From Outer Space.

DrAllecon on October 21, 2011 at 3:07 PM

I’m calling 9-1-1 at my Presidential choices. This sucks.

search4truth on October 21, 2011 at 3:07 PM

I don’t understand what the big deal is here. 9-0-9 has always been the plan for low income families. I have been explaining that to friends and family for weeks now. You are right, however, when you say he didn’t advertise that part enough. Big deal. It’s out there now. So….where are those other plans from the rest of the cast?

mfrantom on October 21, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Cain is just growing stupid right before our eyes. No one appears more devious and shifty as when they change their plans to pacify a portion of the group. Is he now pandering to the OWS folks? After all the talk about everyone paying their fair share, he wants to give the 47% who have never paid taxes a pass, and let the middle and upper class share all of the burden?

Time to go back to flipping pizza dough Herman. We’ve seen enough to know that you really don’t have a clue…

stacman on October 21, 2011 at 3:04 PM

THIS!

Cain must be taking lessons from Mittens.

GrannyDee on October 21, 2011 at 3:07 PM

stacman on October 21, 2011 at 3:04 PM

He didn’t change anything. This has always been the plan. He just didn’t talk about it as much.

mfrantom on October 21, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Sounds kinda like a loophole to me. Picking winners and losers, mebbe?

a capella on October 21, 2011 at 2:50 PM

They were identifying those zones earlier as “inner-cities”. I’ve repeatedly asked about rural poor, and haven’t heard anything.

That bothers me.

capitalist piglet on October 21, 2011 at 3:09 PM

I’m tentatively supporting Cain at this point (due to no Palin) and I always presumed there was something like this in the plan…either no tax at all or a full rebate of FEDERAL income & sales taxes collected for those at or below the FEDERAL poverty line.

But please Lord Mr. Cain bone up on things before you say them and better yet put a tax calculator on your 9-9-9 site

The only tweak I’d make to the plan at this point is for the corporate rate to be

Gross income less all PAYROLL, purchases from other U.S. located businesses, all capital investment, and net exports.

instead of as currently written

Gross income less all purchases from other U.S. located businesses, all capital investment, and net exports.

unless he intends to treat payroll as a capital investment under the new laws (very much doubtful)

SgtSVJones on October 21, 2011 at 3:10 PM

The poor don’t pay income tax now, so 9-0-9 will maintain that. But the poor will be paying a 9% sales tax that they don’t pay now, so they’re taxes are going up.

Mark1971 on October 21, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Low income families currently account for no revenue anyway. In fact, the bottom 50% of wage earners only account for 3% of tax revenue.

I would exempt the first $100,000 of income from income tax and have EVERYONE pay sales tax.

crosspatch on October 21, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Now I’m really anxious to read Perry’s plan.

gophergirl on October 21, 2011 at 2:49 PM

So am I. He’s got a “dream team” of economists working on it, I’ve heard – really hope it’s a game-changer.

capitalist piglet on October 21, 2011 at 3:13 PM

9-15.3-9?

No, Mr. Cain, the tards that lap up the Washington Post/New York Times still won’t like you, so why?

MNHawk on October 21, 2011 at 3:14 PM

That sound you hear is Cain crashing to the bottom of the polls.

Mr. Cain, the problem is that too many people already pay no taxes – the status quo is not part of the solution, sir.

Midas on October 21, 2011 at 3:14 PM

Sorry, Cain, but I have to go with Newt now.

Perry can NOT debate Obama. It’s over for Perry. Sorry Anita, you will NOT be first lady.

Thanks Sarah for putting us in this awful mess.

stenwin77 on October 21, 2011 at 3:14 PM

Conservatives are always gonna get slammed by the “What about the poor/handicapped/disabled?” question and should have a response ready. For too long they gave the poor breaks because it served their philosophy of shrinking government by starving it for funds. But the libs responded spending, using borrowing to fund their schemes.

Now everyone has to pay. Everyone has always had to pay. What the press is doing now with Cain is deliberately ignoring that he’s eliminating the payroll and SS taxes, to make it seem like the poor are now paying and additional income tax, when all they’re paying is the income tax.

Personally I think the candidates should campaign on a BBA, accompanying a 1 vote 1 tax rate tax fairness platform.

Iblis on October 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Second look at… Newt?

http://www.newt.org/news/video-newt-now

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Is he now pandering to the OWS folks? After all the talk about everyone paying their fair share, he wants to give the 47% who have never paid taxes a pass, and let the middle and upper class share all of the burden?

stacman on October 21, 2011 at 3:04 PM

He’d still be making them pay a 9% national sales tax. I’d hardly call that putting all of the burden on the middle and upper class.

What the hell is with some of you folks? 9-9-9 was never a plan that was designed to be 3 numbers long. It’s gonna have some complexities. Since the beginning, Cain has discussed things like empowerment zones and exceptions for the 9% sales tax for businesses buying goods made in America. And obviously if a President Cain were to offer this proposal to the 113th Congress, rest assured there will be a lot of negotiating and plenty of tweaks to it before it’s ever brought up for a vote.

If you don’t like it, fine. I’m sure the 59-point plan offered up by Mittens will make way more sense. But it seems like some in the base wanna tear down every single candidate the moment he or she starts to lead in a few polls. It’s no wonder we may get saddled with Romney even though the guy can’t crack 25% support in any survey.

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM

New Cain hatin’ meme:

Cain want to bomb poor people!

909

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Soon it’s gonna be Plan 867-5309

search4truth on October 21, 2011 at 2:53 PM

I’d buy that for a dollar!

thebrokenrattle on October 21, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Not to worry. Cain will issue a convoluted statement in an hour claiming that there are no exemptions under his 9-9-9 plan.

Mike Honcho on October 21, 2011 at 3:18 PM

He’d still be making them pay a 9% national sales tax. I’d hardly call that putting all of the burden on the middle and upper class.

Pre refunded national sales tax where they are given money for what they might have spent on taxes to spend on things they pay no taxes on more likely. Another welfare scheme. Enough is enough, and I while Perry’s gaffes are much worse, Cain did not have much going for him and thus required much less to cause my respect for him to drop from the few gaffes he has made in just this week alone.

astonerii on October 21, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Perry can NOT debate Obama. It’s over for Perry. Sorry Anita, you will NOT be first lady.

I think Perry would make the best president of the field (just look at Texas thriving in this awful economy), and he has a year to work with a debate team while Obama tries to set the world on fire, and his base is in the street using police cruisers for bathrooms and sexually assaulting young women.

If there’s any sanity left in America, Perry would beat him regardless.

capitalist piglet on October 21, 2011 at 3:21 PM

Pre refunded national sales tax where they are given money for what they might have spent on taxes to spend on things they pay no taxes on more likely. Another welfare scheme.

astonerii on October 21, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Huh? Is that something in Cain’s plan or you just pulling that out of your backside?

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Second look at… Newt?

http://www.newt.org/news/video-newt-now

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM

The constant promotion of Callista, his first wife (TM – The RCC), is creepy.

I wish he’d drop that.

mankai on October 21, 2011 at 3:22 PM

But it seems like some in the base wanna tear down every single candidate the moment he or she starts to lead in a few polls.

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Excuse the hell out of us for wanting ONE candidate who isn’t a flip-flopping scramble-brained liberal-lite poll-tested-first candidate.

Midas on October 21, 2011 at 3:22 PM

I think Perry would make the best president of the field (just look at Texas thriving in this awful economy), and he has a year to work with a debate team while Obama tries to set the world on fire, and his base is in the street using police cruisers for bathrooms and sexually assaulting young women.

capitalist piglet on October 21, 2011 at 3:21 PM

Perry’s had 2 months to work with his debate team and the best he can do is “we need energy independence” and “Mitt, you hired illegals to mow your lawn”. Sorry, but if that’s the best they can do when they knew all along how much was riding on these debates(especially the last 3), then I have zero faith in them being able to prep the guy over the next 12 months.

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 3:24 PM

I believe the plan was always to adjust 999 to xxx depending on poverty level. To help low income workers, the rate might be 939. To get businesses to open in poor areas and hire locals, the rate might be 933. To get people to shop in an economic zone, the rate might be 333.

What Cain hasn’t done is explain exactly how this would work.

huckleberryfriend on October 21, 2011 at 3:24 PM

Always thought a Cain/Newt ticket would be awesome. Actually, no matter who eventually gets the nomination, Newt should be the VP.

RedbonePro on October 21, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Huh? Is that something in Cain’s plan or you just pulling that out of your backside?

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 3:22 PM

It is always part of a sales tax plan. If he has not told you about it yet, I dunno what to tell you. But trust me, if they cannot be expected to pay income taxes, you know the part that funds their retirement plans and medical plans, how can you expect them to pay sales taxes? And because they are poor, they will need the money up front in advance in order to not be harmed by the tax.

its there, just another hidden part of group 1 exemptions. But there will be group 2 and 3 and 999,909,999,989,099,990 and more. We really should not tax GM vehicles, they are government owned you know. Teacher’s supplies need to be tax free. Just got a big donation from the dairy industry, time to cut them a break.

astonerii on October 21, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Reason he’s twitchin’ around is he knows Obama et al will tear him to shreds on 9-9-9 as it stood previously. They’ll demagogue it to shreds. Hence, he’s waving the white flag to pre-empt. Unfortunately, there will be unintended consequences, as demonstrated on this thread.

a capella on October 21, 2011 at 3:26 PM

The constant promotion of Callista, his first wife (TM – The RCC), is creepy.

I wish he’d drop that.

mankai on October 21, 2011 at 3:22 PM

She is creepy, but considering the other choices I am warming up to her fast. I am confident Callista will not give the Queen of England pats on the back, take trips to Spain, or lecture us all on our eating habits.

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:27 PM

This was always no-win situation for Cain. The original concept was so lame-brained he was always going to have to modify it, in which case he gets pummeled for changing it.

Constantine on October 21, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Always thought a Cain/Newt ticket would be awesome. Actually, no matter who eventually gets the nomination, Newt should be the VP.

RedbonePro on October 21, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Obama would rip Cain to shreds in a debate.

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:27 PM

None of the other candidates are running as a team. It’s a bit too Bill/Hill for my taste.

mankai on October 21, 2011 at 3:29 PM

First the weak Pro-Life Stance, and now this latest form of pandering.

He is showing that he has no backbone and will do anything to get elected.

I withdrawl all support for this charlatan (who is turning out to be like all the other rinos in the GOP).

NOT ROMNEY!!! *chants over and over*

But now NOT Cain!

Cadian on October 21, 2011 at 3:30 PM

The only person with 1/2 a brain that has posted on this thread so far is Doughboy. C’mon people…stop with the stupid stuff.

gracie on October 21, 2011 at 3:31 PM

NOT ROMNEY!!! *chants over and over*

But now NOT Cain!

Cadian on October 21, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Ann Coulter weeps. :’(

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:31 PM

What’s the problem? Less than 1% of Americans live below the poverty line. For 99% of Americans, the plan is still 9-9-9.

MadisonConservative on October 21, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Excuse the hell out of us for wanting ONE candidate who isn’t a flip-flopping scramble-brained liberal-lite poll-tested-first candidate.

Midas on October 21, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Which candidate(and I’ll widen the field to include those who aren’t currently running) meets that criteria? And don’t give me Palin because she flip-flopped on the Bridge to Nowhere funding and has given conflicting statements on manmade global warming. Not to mention her headscratching endorsements of the likes of Orrin Hatch.

There is no perfect candidate. Hell, there isn’t even an almost perfect candidate. They all have flaws. They all have views we don’t agree with. And they all have statements they’ve made which either confuse, annoy, or embarrass us. But tearing them down for their imperfections is not gonna help matters.

These are your realistic choices for the nomination: Mittens, Perry, Newt, and Cain. They all have negative traits and blemishes on their record(Cain’s blemish is his lack of a record). So I guess you need to find the one who p-sses you off the least and give them your full support. But quit demanding perfection cuz you’ll be waiting forever.

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 3:31 PM

“And for the middle class, it’ll be 35-47-15.”

BobMbx on October 21, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Wacky coincidence…those are also my ex mother-in-law’s measurements.

JohnTant on October 21, 2011 at 3:32 PM

C’mon people…stop with the stupid stuff.

gracie on October 21, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Shhh… I’m trying to enjoy the Cain wreck. *eats popcorn*

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:33 PM

She is creepy, but considering the other choices I am warming up to her fast. I am confident Callista will not give the Queen of England pats on the back, take trips to Spain, or lecture us all on our eating habits.

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:27 PM

The Patriotic Adulterer will never be elected nor offered a VP slot.

Knucklehead on October 21, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Amateur night at the Roxy.

Mr. Cain seems to be a good man but he isn’t ready for this by a long shot. Couple his gaffes with his so far little commented upon serious health issues, his service as a Baptist minister and the waiting-in-the-wings mp3s of his Atlanta-based radio show and it does not auger well.

Mason on October 21, 2011 at 3:34 PM

These are your realistic choices for the nomination: Mittens, Perry, Newt, and Cain.

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Now we’re cooking. :-)

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Newt is the smartest one in the group.

Socmodfiscon on October 21, 2011 at 2:50 PM

He’s so smart he supports Cap and Trade, which will be the final nail in the coffin of US industry, but whatever.

MadisonConservative on October 21, 2011 at 3:36 PM

*BUZZ, BUZZ, BUZZ*

With Stenwin77′s apparent switch of support we now have a tie for declared HA Candidate supporters as follows:

Cain: 39
Gingrich: 39
Perry: 21
Romney: 15

Palin’s not yet redesignated: 5

Paul: 1
Santorum: 2
Bachmann: 2
Huntsman: 0

Scanning several Conservative blogs I see the current HA distrubution showing up on these other blogs. And repeatedly the GINGRICH/Cain or CAIN/Gingrich comes up a lot with the latter being the most prevelant by a 5 to 4 margin.

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 3:36 PM

These are your realistic choices for the nomination: Mittens, Perry, Newt, and Cain.

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 3:31 PM

I continue to ask how Newt is listed as realistic among people who have surged to the lead…when he hasn’t.

MadisonConservative on October 21, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Second look at… Newt?

http://www.newt.org/news/video-newt-now

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM

That’s probably where I’m headed. The more I think of it, the more I see Newt as the only one who has the intelligence and experience to knock Obozo down to size. Otherwise, the smooth-talking Obozo is going to schmooze his was into another term.

stacman on October 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM

The constant promotion of Callista, his first wife (TM – The RCC), is creepy.
I wish he’d drop that.
mankai on October 21, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Look out. He might hustle up wife #4…maybe some chickey in her 40′s with big jugs like Beth (Dawg the Bounty Hunter’s wife).

gracie on October 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Wacky coincidence…those are also my ex mother-in-law’s measurements.

JohnTant on October 21, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Is she missing a leg?

BobMbx on October 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Buh Bye brother. Your 15 minutes is up and you are worse than Mitt for wanting every side of an issue.

Southernblogger on October 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM

I continue to ask how Newt is listed as realistic among people who have surged to the lead…when he hasn’t.

MadisonConservative on October 21, 2011 at 3:37 PM

And his campaign is in debt. A lot of short memories around here, but I’m sure the DNC is keeping track.

Knucklehead on October 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM

What’s the problem? Less than 1% of Americans live below the poverty line. For 99% of Americans, the plan is still 9-9-9.

MadisonConservative on October 21, 2011 at 3:31 PM

The problem is that if your going to start out with carve outs for constituancy groups, then the plan is no better than the current system we have, and is worse in the fact that with a sales tax the government can more blatantly steer the economy and help their buddies and hurt their enemies with the tax system. Today the poor, which make up far more than 1% of Americans as the government statistics show. 1% is 3 million. According to statistics I am quite certain they claim three times that number of children live below the poverty line.

astonerii on October 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Not to worry. Cain will issue a convoluted statement in an hour claiming that there are no exemptions under his 9-9-9 plan.

Mike Honcho on October 21, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Exemptions from this plan are personal choices, to be made by a woman or her family, and the government has nor business interfering with that decision…

JohnGalt23 on October 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM

The Patriotic Adulterer will never be elected nor offered a VP slot.

Knucklehead on October 21, 2011 at 3:34 PM

I’m sorry that Herman has proven himself to be what some us have pegged him as being from the beginning: A shameless opportunist way, way out of his league on national issues.

:-(

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM

These are your realistic choices for the nomination: Perry, Newt.

Now we’re cooking. :-)

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Fine. But understand that Perry’s been a disaster in the debates thus far, is so desperate that he’s now going using Mittens’ lawn as a campaign issue, and took 2 months to unveil an economic plan. Newt’s been stellar in these debates and even though he did take a while to release his new Contract With America, it’s solid. But of course he’s trailing badly in the polls and has the dreaded personal baggage.

In other words, no one is perfect. We have to accept at this point that Cain is clearly not a polished politician which is gonna lead to headscratching or contradictory statements at times. Romney’s a “moderate” which means he’ll have positions that are anathema to the conservative base. Perry’s lousy on illegal immigration and a crony capitalist. Oh, and he DID raise taxes here in Texas no matter what he claims. And Newt’s personal life is a mess and he’s frustrated the base with the Pelosi couch spot, the criticism of Paul Ryan’s plan, and the endorsement of Scuzzy-flavor.

I’m not excusing or defending these flaws. Just pointing them out. Accept them for what they are and decide who you wanna support. But don’t expect Perry to miraculously become a skilled debater and don’t expect Newt to suddenly become a beloved figure in American politics among independents and moderate Democrats.

Doughboy on October 21, 2011 at 3:42 PM

That’s probably where I’m headed. The more I think of it, the more I see Newt as the only one who has the intelligence and experience to knock Obozo down to size. Otherwise, the smooth-talking Obozo is going to schmooze his was into another term.

stacman on October 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Yup.

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:43 PM

T

he Patriotic Adulterer will never be elected nor offered a VP slot.

Knucklehead on October 21, 2011 at 3:34 PM

I could see Perry offering him the slot.

Southernblogger on October 21, 2011 at 3:43 PM

This 9-9-9 plan started out okay, though I wasn’t impressed wit it. But between this 9-0-9 tweak and the possible 3-3-3 tweak it’s become a clusterfark of a miserable failure, ripe for worse abuses than what we have now.

Wanna know why Detroit is a disaster? Because the people there made it that way and there’s no reason on God’s green earth why I should support getting them out of the hole they dug for themselves by giving them preferential treatment in a proposed 9-9-9 tax code.

Dusty on October 21, 2011 at 3:44 PM

RedLizard64 on October 21, 2011 at 3:36 PM

I’m glad somebody is keeping up with this. I completely missed the Stenwin77 switch.

cozmo on October 21, 2011 at 3:44 PM

I’m sorry that Herman has proven himself to be what some us have pegged him as being from the beginning: A shameless opportunist way, way out of his league on national issues.

:-(

Punchenko on October 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM

u shouldn’t talk about yourself like that Punchy.

gracie on October 21, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Bunch of Perry apologist on this thread. What’s so good about Perry? He’ll have a flat tax plan that he can’t articulate.

For those who understand that 9-9-9 has not lost any of its simplicity because of 9-0-9 for those under the poverty level (sooooo complicated!), you can watch for yourself Cain’s speech, instead of Tina’s slanted opinion on 9-9-9.

I thought trying to win an election was a good thing. It was just yesterday Tina was complaining that 9-9-9 raises taxes on the poor. Now its too complicated. Good grief.

http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-introduces-999-opportunity-zones/

milemarker2020 on October 21, 2011 at 3:46 PM

What Cain hasn’t done is explain exactly how this would work.

huckleberryfriend on October 21, 2011 at 3:24 PM

It’s hard to explain something you’re clueless about. We can’t wait for him to consult his advisors.

stacman on October 21, 2011 at 3:46 PM

ROFLMAO…. 9-9-9 unravels? You don’t say….

Anyone ready to get off the Cain train? Perry is waiting for you with open arms…

What this demonstrates is that without at least a governing record, a candidates should be presumed to be an unknown quantity.

Rhetoric is fine but unless a candidate has had the chance to match your rhetoric with action – that candidate should refrain from criticizing those who have.

Cain is already crumbling under media pressure. He rushed out with a 9-9-9 plan/slogan that is already being revised under pressure.

And yet conservatives want to back him vs. a tried and tested governor (Perry), who is taking his time to develop plans that will work?

TheRightMan on October 21, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Cain will be the last one standing because he is not alienating the others by waging war with fellow Republicans.

This is a trick called diplomatic leadership that was last seen at this level in Dwight D. Eisenhower, who won two terms with it.

jimw on October 21, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Fine. But understand that Perry’s been a disaster in the debates thus far, is so desperate that he’s now going using Mittens’ lawn as a campaign issue, and took 2 months to unveil an economic plan.

If Perry’s economic plan is good, it would be folly to reject it based on when he released it.

Say what you want about Perry in the debates, but many people appreciated the fact that he’s the one guy who’s been able to rattle Mitt. (Rush Limbaugh being one of those people, by the way.)

If Cain wanted to, maybe he could. But I don’t think he wants to.

capitalist piglet on October 21, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Newt is the smartest one in the group.

Socmodfiscon on October 21, 2011 at 2:50 PM

That may be true, but Newt is an academic. He is a thinker, an idea man. All that has it’s place, but absent any strong leadership and management qualities it isn’t enough. I don’t see Newt as a strong manager/executive. I see him as an adviser and that’s pretty much where it ends. Cain is a good manager, we know that, but he may not be a great “idea man”. I’m not certain. I don’t want someone in the presidency making it up as he goes along (we already have that with Obama, but I’m not convinced Cain is, in fact, doing that. I’m afraid we will be forced to choose between Cain, Perry and Romney. The rest will not make it. For me, it’s between Perry or Cain. BTW, I’m from Texas. Perry isn’t on my all time favorite list, but given the field, I’d vote for him over Romney if it comes to that.

BillyWilly on October 21, 2011 at 3:49 PM

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