Charles Payne’s charged argument with an OWS protester: “I took my opportunity!”

posted at 4:45 pm on October 18, 2011 by Tina Korbe

In case you missed this yesterday, it’s worth revisiting. In it, lefties (including the Super Rich Russell Simmons) parrot Elizabeth Warren: “There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody.” But Charles Payne hits back with what essentially amounts to this: I did.

“I took it! I took it!” he says. “I took my opportunity!”

Payne doesn’t mean he became successful “on his own” in the conventional sense of the phrase: He recognizes the help  he received from other people, starting with his own family. Rather, he means he became successful “on his own” in the new sense Warren gave the expression: That is, he lived his life without looking to the government for a handout.

Later, Payne explains more fully: “I started my business in a one-bedroom apartment in Harlem with $10,000 I raised amongst myself and my family and friends. … So the point that I owe someone outside of my parents, my community, my God — that I owe you more of my credit for what I do when I get up every morning at four in the morning — is ridiculous. That’s crazy. You’re telling people they don’t have the power to empower themselves. That’s your message.”

In Simmons’ rebuttal, he refers to Payne’s independent approach as a penchant for isolation and even calls it “a sickness.” Is it sick to want to add value to society through a business and to generate an income for yourself in that process? To then pay taxes on that income to fund the functions of government as the top income-earners already disproportionately do? Elizabeth Warren’s tidy talking point neglects so much that is true of the “getting rich” process. In our country, it’s pretty safe to say, nobody “gets rich” without helping others along the way — even if inadvertently.

Conservatives don’t think “every man is an island,” as Simmons implied. But we do think every man is responsible for himself. We work inside out, operating on the basic principle of subsidiarity — that problems should be solved at the most local level possible starting with the self. For each of us, a time comes when self-reliance fails, when we turn to others for help. But, for a conservative, the federal government is the help of last resort, not the first — not least because government-run social programs often exacerbate the very problems they’re intended to fix. As Payne hinted, it’s an empowering, hopeful message — and one that is proven to make those who embrace it happy. What — doesn’t Russell Simmons want others to be happy?


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Imagine a Vice President Charles Payne to complement President Herman Cain…

oh man, the outrage outraaaaaaaaaaage of it.

Jeddite on October 18, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Why bother, Charles? Why bother? You aren’t going to teach those fools a thing. They are unteachable — which is exactly how their Ivy League professors like ‘em. They aren’t getting an education from their professors, they’re getting a transcript of leftist talking points. Mush for brains make far better useful idiots. Don’t bother. They are a lost cause.

Rational Thought on October 18, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Tina wrote:
We work inside out, operating on the basic principle of subsidiarity — that problems should be solved at the most local level possible starting with the self. For each of us, a time comes when self-reliance fails, when we turn to others for help.

That we work “inside out” is key. From the heart, from principles, from common sense, from an integrity within.

Paul-Cincy on October 18, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Love this!

Charles — a former Obama supporter who now deplores the fool — can be a Major Payne when he wants to be.

Right on, Charles! U. D. Mann!

The War Planner on October 18, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Awesome. One of the last great hopes for the conservative cause over at Fox. He has a real gift of explaining his ideals.

carbon_footprint on October 18, 2011 at 4:55 PM

There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody

Out: Stick it to The Man

In: The Man is yo daddy

faraway on October 18, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Russell Simmons- the new face of the poor and downtrodden.

hawksruleva on October 18, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Gee whiz. You’d think he stole their $5,000 laptops or something.

Who are they going to shake down for money if no one works hard to make some?

Lily on October 18, 2011 at 4:57 PM

The OWS nutters are right in the broadest sense. Society does allow success by enforcing contracts and patents and by rewarding hard work.

They want to take that broad sense and expand it so that those who don’t work hard are rewarded for doing nothing, or in too many cases less than nothing. We saw the result of this in communist Russia and everywhere else that socialism has taken hold. Those who work hard stop doing what doesn’t pay and those who didn’t work hard, still didn’t do anything productive.

sharrukin on October 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM

The notion that “we” all paid for all these structures is also patently nonsense. When half the society pays nothing in taxes, their argument is doubly nonsensical. Yeah, everyone “owns” the roads and parks and schools and what-not, but if you want to base your sense of entitlement to the gains of others after having attended those schools, or while driving on those roads, you ought to look at who actually funds them.

It ain’t, by and large, your precious 99%. Thanks to your progressive tax system, natch.

The argument is garbage piled on hypocrisy.

TexasDan on October 18, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Chuck is wasting his time. How can you possibly debate with people whose sole attitude about their personal labor is that they should get rewarded for doing anything, even if that “anything” is nothing more than sauntering through the park all day long with their hand out.

Bishop on October 18, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Why bother, Charles? Why bother? You aren’t going to teach those fools a thing. They are unteachable — which is exactly how their Ivy League professors like ‘em. They aren’t getting an education from their professors, they’re getting a transcript of leftist talking points. Mush for brains make far better useful idiots. Don’t bother. They are a lost cause.

Rational Thought on October 18, 2011 at 4:51 PM

They’re learning a lot out there in Zucotti Park, actually. For example, some of them are learning that a lot of their fellow protesters are freeloading thieves. Some are learning that life can be a lot harder than they currently have it. Some are being challenged on their ideas, and thinking about what they really believe for the first time.

All of those things nudge people toward Conservatism.

Then you have folks like Russell Simmons, who leave their mansions and march with the OWS crowd because they want to be part of the New Hip Thing.

hawksruleva on October 18, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Russell Simmons house

Maybe some of the hippies could spend the night

faraway on October 18, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Russel Simons is a corporation. Why does he have so much money? Why isn’t he giving more of it away? And the gov already contributes to health care and education. These people are nuts and I’m getting tired of them. I also thought they didn’t want the celebrities coming down, like, Rosanne, Moore, and Simmons?

Blake on October 18, 2011 at 5:02 PM

The OWS nutters are right in the broadest sense. Society does allow success by enforcing contracts and patents and by rewarding hard work.

They want to take that broad sense and expand it so that those who don’t work hard are rewarded for doing nothing, or in too many cases less than nothing. We saw the result of this in communist Russia and everywhere else that socialism has taken hold. Those who work hard stop doing what doesn’t pay and those who didn’t work hard, still didn’t do anything productive.

sharrukin on October 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Yep. It’s a willful misunderstanding of the notion of the social contract. We come together and form a government to create a framework that allows commerce to take place. The notion that those who function poorly within that framework have claim to a portion of the success of those who perform very well is absurd.

TexasDan on October 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Minister Louis Farrakhan: My Second Father – by Russell Simmons

‘THE WHITE MAN IS THE DEVIL’

This was a week where I didn’t miss my 6 am prayer because I could hear them already awake and ready to start the day off right. This was a week where the word “Allah” was on the tip of everyone’s tongue.

faraway on October 18, 2011 at 5:07 PM

For example, some of them are learning that a lot of their fellow protesters are freeloading thieves. Some are learning that life can be a lot harder than they currently have it.
hawksruleva on October 18, 2011 at 5:01 PM

And some are completely oblivious to the fact that OWS would consist of a few hundred hardcore fringies if not for the free food and supplies.

Very few of these fairness warriors would make it so much as a week if they were stationed on a hilltop army post in Kandahar.

Bishop on October 18, 2011 at 5:10 PM

The notion that those who function poorly within that framework have claim to a portion of the success of those who perform very well is absurd.

TexasDan on October 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Precisely. You have the unalienable right for the pursuit of happiness, not a guarantee that you are going to catch it.

sharrukin on October 18, 2011 at 5:10 PM

I love Charles Payne…but who is that lady nodding in agreement with the union thug? I see her on Fox News sometimes…I usually turn of the sound when she comes on.

d1carter on October 18, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Why do libs HAVE to create a straw man in order to win an argument? Just because we want less government doesn’t mean we want anarchy. Just because we want less spending doesn’t mean we want no spending on roads or cops.

Ampersand on October 18, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Rational Thought on October 18, 2011 at 4:51 PM

THIS
+100

cmsinaz on October 18, 2011 at 5:16 PM

When government goes beyond providing the functions that we cannot provide for ourselves, i.e. common defense, system of laws, means of peaceful transfer of power you end up eventually on this slippery slope. I wonder if in their OWS library there are any copies of the Wealth of Nations? Or anything by de Tocqueville?

txmomof6 on October 18, 2011 at 5:18 PM

What the hell is all this “collective” nonsense? You know, there are communist nations these people can move to if they hate it so much here. Either that or they need to lay off the Star Trek: TNG.

In the end, Payne or anyone else on the right will never be able to talk sense into these morons. They’re hardcore Marxists and more importantly, they’re lazy. They want a nanny state to take care of them and are under the delusion(thanks to the Democrats, the media, and our p-sspoor education system) that all you need is to “tax the rich” in order to make that possible.

Doughboy on October 18, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Hey Charles, how proud are you now of your vote for Obama?

cmaltese on October 18, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Are you smarter than a Wall Street Occupier?
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_wall_street_quiz.html

The percentages of the respondents’ answers and the correct answers are part of the piece.

onlineanalyst on October 18, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Cain/Payne 2012!! Hit ‘em with the Cain and leave ‘em in Payne!!

abobo on October 18, 2011 at 5:26 PM

But Warren didn’t say that folks do not become rich with anyone’s “help”.

She specifically stated this: “You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did.”

And her argument is completely baseless. It doesn’t even approach the difficulty of “which came first, the chicken or the egg”

That is because we know which came first: THE FACTORY.

THEN…and only then, the company that invested in, owns and operates the factory made a PROFIT and paid federal and state taxes. Their employees worked, earned an income and paid federal and state taxes.

AND THEN, and ONLY then….. the federal government and state government had the MONEY to pay to build the roads, build the schools to educate the workers and hire the police.

The state and federal government didn’t receive the funds to educate the citizenry, build the roads and hire policemen by PRODUCING anything and then selling such products at a profit and taking the risk inherent in such an endeavor.

The funds they received are TAKEN. They are in the business of confiscating their funds from the citizenry. Granted, it is written into the Constitution as their right (at least the federal government’s), but the whole idea she posits is completely upside down. They are completely free of and exempt from the risks that businesses take by being part of the Free Market System.

The government’s revenue is GUARANTEED. It is in-exhaustible as well and can never even become bankrupt or shut down, because they can print money or issues US bonds to keeps things going.

If there is any entity that NEVER made it on it’s own, it is the Federal Government.

Opposite Day on October 18, 2011 at 5:28 PM

I only understoond Charles Payne’s arguement. Everything else was just jibberish, I had no clue what they were saying.

Oil Can on October 18, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Someone should go down there and offer these guys and gals nice jobs and then ask them how much of their salary they will pay back (in taxes) to society.
Bet most will say as small amount as possible.

albill on October 18, 2011 at 5:30 PM

One side effect of all of this…

… is that what is actually being taught in our schools is being shown the light of day.

I can’t wait for the “Law of Unintended Consequences” for this one…

Seven Percent Solution on October 18, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Some of these people oughta’ play some more Sim City instead of Angry Birds. As Sim City shows nothing grows without the factories and businesses.

albill on October 18, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Please console me. I honestly don’t recall seeing so many profoundly stupid people willing to be publicly profoundly stupid before in my life. These OWS people and their advocates make me just slam my forehead on the table before me.

kurtzz3 on October 18, 2011 at 5:34 PM

These OWS people and their advocates make me just slam my forehead on the table before me.

kurtzz3 on October 18, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Careful, People for the Ethical Treatment of Tables (PETT) will be knocking on your door. They’re now part of the OWS mob.

darwin on October 18, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Rational Thought on October 18, 2011 at 4:51 PM

For the sake of observers who are neither conservative nor radical.

albill, only about 15% are unemployed.

LarryD on October 18, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Leeches don’t care what you think. They just want more blood to suck. Even if it means drying out the host.

sadatoni on October 18, 2011 at 5:50 PM

She specifically stated this: “You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did.”

Warren is a moron. The factory builder also paid taxes for those roads, schools, police and fire protection. Warren’s argument acts as if the factory builder has just been freeloading off everybody else. Most of the things Warren listed are paid for primarily by local property taxes, and in most counties the factory builder would have had to pay a significantly higher amount of those taxes than “the rest of us” would have paid.

Furthermore, “the rest of us” who also contributed taxes to support things like roads, schools, etc., also get to use those things in exactly the same way that the factory builder does. What stopped “the rest of us” from building our own factory, or movie studio, or retail store, or dance school, etc., in the community with the great roads, schools, etc., so that we, like the factory builder, could profit? Nothing stopped us, except perhaps the fact that “the rest of us” didn’t want to risk our money or put in all the effort and hard work it takes to make a business successful. But the factory builder did, and now more people in that community have jobs because he did. But instead of celebrating the factory builder’s contribution to the community and encouraging others to follow his example, Warren wants to punish him. Warren is a moron.

AZCoyote on October 18, 2011 at 5:56 PM

So the argument is that since everyone uses basic government services to do well financially, you owe the government whatever the government says you owe? I don’t think anyone believes that except the politicians in power.

karlant on October 18, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Obama’s Warren Buffet lie has permeated a good throng of American society, who now firmly believe that “the rich” pay a lower tax rate than the rest of people, when every single statistic available – the simple truth – shows that is completely and utterly wrong.

How can you have a discussion with people who cling to “facts” that are the precise opposite of facts? Almost 50% of Americans pay no income tax, the top 10% pay about 30% of the taxes. The higher tax brackets pay, on average, a far larger share of their income in taxes.

There is no real dispute about these numbers – outside of the fevered swamps of these wannabe socialists who keep lying and lying and lying about it. That includes the president, who keeps recycling the misleading Buffet anecdote any time he gets the chance.

And how in the world – how in the world – is it that these Occupy Wall Street marxists think that the path to societal immortality is a socialist welfare state, when that model is now crumbling before our very eyes all over Europe? Greece, Italy, Spain, the UK is having to cut back, even Norway – rich to the brim with oil – is even having to face reality that they will not be able to sustain their welfare state in a few short decades.

If the time for European style socialist welfare ever was ripe, it sure as hell isn’t now. Everyone has to go back to the drawing board and find a different solution, including the USA. You’ve got to find a middle way that is sustainable but also provides enough welfare for its citizens.

Seixon on October 18, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Amen to that:

Here’s my story … about 18 years ago I had the opportunity to be involved in a book project. It was a small opportunity but one with big potential. So I started writing while at the same time holding down another job to support my young family. I remember staying up until 2am, 3am, whatever was needed during that time to write for the book during my “off hours”. I remember sitting in my underwear because my small makeshift office had no air conditioning and it was blasted hot and humid.

I killed myself writing that book and it was successful and it led to other books and other projects. And on those projects I worked late hours in addition to holding down my other job. And I EARNED a good reputation in the field for my writing.

After about 4 years of that, I left my government job with its generous benefits package and took the risk and wrote full time. Scared me to death. Pay for my own health care? Pay for my own retirement? (pay both sides of that rip-off we call Social Security?)

So, yeah I’m successful and I still stay up late writing when the book requires it. And yes I pay a lot in taxes because I do owe our society for all of its benefits it gives to an entrepreneur like me. But I’ll be damned if I sit quiet while someone else says I didn’t get rich by the sweat (literal sweat) of my own efforts. I’ll sure as h*ll didn’t see Elizabeth Warren sitting next to me on those late nights …

… and for that I’m eternally grateful.

PackerBronco on October 18, 2011 at 6:02 PM

When Payne was a youth he was given a briefcase as a gift. It wasn’t very long before his fellow blacks beat him up and took it calling him a traitor or some other such nonsense.

THAT is the problem with the identity a certain segment of the black population embraces because the democrat party, the slave party, have convinced them to put the economic chains on themselves.

csdeven on October 18, 2011 at 6:07 PM

That is because we know which came first: THE FACTORY.

Opposite Day on October 18, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Have to disagree with you there. Here’s what came first:

The IDEA (an idea that yes, this is a product or service that the world needs) followed by

The COURAGE (yes, I am the person who can do this) followed by

The RISK (yes, I will attempt this, knowing that doing so might ruin me and my loved ones) followed by

The SWEAT (yes, I will do what it takes to make this work) followed by

The SELF-DENIAL (yes, I will deny myself temporary pleasure for my vision)

Even then, you’re not done. Take the IDEA, COURAGE, RISK, SWEAT, and SELF-DENIAL and repeat over and over again.

So don’t tell me that someone who did NONE of those things has any right to what I achieved just because they pay the same taxes that I do but in a lesser amount or in some cases they pay nothing at all but like sponges demand their share of what is not theirs.

PackerBronco on October 18, 2011 at 6:10 PM

To think that our nation is infested with an entire marxist industry pumping out cretins like Russell Simmons and the ignorant parasitic scum that predominate in these ‘Occupy’ shams…

rayra on October 18, 2011 at 6:13 PM

I think we are responsible to help others and to strengthen our community. In fact I recently left, and took with me most of my programming team, a company exactly because they chose to stop investing in my community. It is a great feeling, now, to work at something that feels like I’m contributing to the betterment of my neighbors.

However, forcing (e.g. through legislation, bureaucratic policy, regulation) that company’s leaders and others to think/act that way is tyranny. I don’t want to be a part of that any more than I want to be a party to my former employer. Also, I don’t trust the altruism of bureaucrats to get such stuff done effectively. The similarity between big, bloated corporations and big, bloated government unsettles me.

OWS seems pretty much a protest in support of keeping things as bloated as they are, one way or another — which is a weird position for “radicals.”

Jens on October 18, 2011 at 6:16 PM

The OWS supporters in that video seem to think that we don’t already help the poor. How does the blonde haired guy/gal as the end know if rich people pay more or less than others? Just more talking points.

CW on October 18, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Oh and the blonde haired guy/gal states others’ don’t have the same opportunity. Heck we know most haven’t even tried and we know that government regs keep those down that do try.

CW on October 18, 2011 at 6:20 PM

The OWS crown never hears the great American stories, because most of them are hard at work…so the twain shall never meet.

right2bright on October 18, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Here’s something people who didn’t watch Glenn Beck’s FNC show don’t know: Out of racial pride and, yes, hope, Payne voted for Obama. He regretted that vote within a year, and said so on one of Beck’s programs dedicated to black American conservatives.

By the way, in Beck’s two-and-a-half years on Fox News Channel, he had three such hours in which black conservatives spoke up and spoke out. In twenty-five years on the air, Oprah Winfrey had one show about right-of-center black people.

Oops…did I say “one show”? I meant “no shows.” Mea culpa.

L.N. Smithee on October 18, 2011 at 6:24 PM

There is no point arguing with chumps like these who support terrorists like the Shining Path, FARC, Maoists, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, et al. All the while they preach peace and tolerance, there are daggers in their pockets. Leading from behind, like a typical instigator, Barry is egging them on, hoping things go hot.

Christien on October 18, 2011 at 6:36 PM

AZCoyote gets it.

The factory builder also paid taxes for those roads, schools, police and fire protection. Warren’s argument acts as if the factory builder has just been freeloading off everybody else.

There’s something else at work here too. Warren’s rant is a bait and switch. “See, Mr. Rich Man, you became fabulously wealthy because other people paid taxes for schools, roads police.” So what!?! That’s not why she wants to confiscate more of the rich man’s money. You see how she substitutes basic legitimate functions of government in an argument about taxation when those things take up a tiny fraction of spending at the federal level. It’s the old “teachers and first responders” theme. What she and her ilk really want is a lavish cradle-to-grave nanny state with universal healthcare, daycare, unionized labor laws, high wages, retirement, vacations, affordable housing, etc. all paid for by somebody else.

Of course it wouldn’t occur to her that if the factory owner (isn’t that a classically marxist formulation, btw?) weren’t already paying so much for that crap he could afford to hire more workers or build another factory.

SAMinVA on October 18, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Naturally, Geraldo is right in the middle of this clusterhump…

Outlander on October 18, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Charles Payne is obviously just another black man embraced by Tea Partiers as a strategy to hide their bigoted hatred of black people.

Or something.

Cicero43 on October 18, 2011 at 6:52 PM

I really don’t know where liberals think they are going with this argument, but if we are to tax the rich more because “they have benefited more from society,” then perhaps we should go all out with that calculation and work out just how much the rich have contributed to society, and adjust their taxes accordingly. If they’re going to add to an employer’s tax bill because his workers were educated in public schools, then how about we subtract from that tax bill because for every person he hired, he saved society the cost of welfare for that person. And how about we work out just how much they have contributed to the economic growth which has raised everybody’s boats, and deduct that.

I think the bottom line here is, as always, liberal ignorance. They are simply incapable of understanding just how beneficial to society the producers are.

Sharke on October 18, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Also, I love the way liberals phrase it as “benefit from society”, doing their best to play down the individual’s role in his or her own success. They could say “flourished within society” and thus bring the individual’s role to the forefront, but they don’t.

If society is a tool that is utilized to achieve success, then why should one person pay any more toward it than another? Should people who make money from Photoshop pay more for the software than people who buy it and just screw around with it? Should business owners pay more for the gas they put in their delivery trucks than the soccer mom taking her kids to practice?

Sharke on October 18, 2011 at 7:16 PM

PackerBronco on October 18, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Good on you! I have a similar story in an entirely different business. I am with you one hundred percent…education, risk, sweat and perseverance is what it takes. Great story!

d1carter on October 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM

Russell: Just checking to see if you have my address OK. You can send that check anytime.

Mr. Grump on October 18, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Liberals predicate their entire ideology on excuses and lies as excuses for those excuses.
A community as with a forest is made of of individual trees, at the root they may be interwoven but each is competing and the successful do better just as nature intended. There’s no such thing as equality except in freedom of opportunity.

What principle is it that says when you have more you owe more?

And what principle is it that says when you have less you’re owed more?

The sickness is liberal-ism, we cannot survive as the Borg collective.

Speakup on October 18, 2011 at 8:17 PM

I love Charles Payne…but who is that lady nodding in agreement with the union thug? I see her on Fox News sometimes…I usually turn of the sound when she comes on.

d1carter on October 18, 2011 at 5:11 PM

The long-haired blonde behind Geraldo? I don’t recognize her from Fox. Does anyone else?

The only other FNC regular I noticed was Bo Deitl.

photom on October 18, 2011 at 10:53 PM

photom on October 18, 2011 at 10:53 PM

No, the blonde with short hair in the background when Geraldo was interviewing the union guy. She has a blue sweater on, nodding in agreement as the union guy spoke.

d1carter on October 19, 2011 at 12:08 AM

Geraldo really stacked the deck against charles, well with the amount of people but not the brain power.

Libs fail to realize people aren’t against all taxes, we know roads and police have to be paid for, its about one person paying for it and almost 50% of the country not paying for anything. Tax us all fairly and those who make more will still pay more and use less.

Rbastid on October 19, 2011 at 3:02 AM

“There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody.”

Fact is, the statement is correct and a valuable guiding principle for those who wish to succeed in business! It is capitalism itself which demands that we acknowledge this fact. It is only the capitalist who will get the help he needs in order to succeed.

If we were to adopt the standard OWS advocates, who will help anyone? Who will help a businessman build his business if the wealth created to do so is redistributed by whim or gov’t edict to the very people he aims to employ in helping him build his business? Who will stick around to help him when his business hits the artificial “ceiling” of productive capacity caused by the redistributive schemes? No one.

If the OWS’ers want to breed the spirit of “help one another” then they need to advocate for capitalism!

beselfish on October 19, 2011 at 6:55 AM

What — doesn’t Russell Simmons want others to be happy?

OK, Tina, I’ll bite. Of course Simmons, and libs in general, don’t want others to be happy (only themselves). For the rest of society they are just looking to spread the misery equally.

SKYFOX on October 19, 2011 at 8:22 AM

Russell Simmons house

Maybe some of the hippies could spend the night

faraway on October 18, 2011 at 5:02 PM

hmm, I’m getting a flashback to that scene in “Trading Places” where the Eddie Murphy character has to kick all the freeloaders out of his newly acquired swanky digs after they start trashing the place.

Go for it, Russ. C’mon, be part of the solution.

dissent555 on October 19, 2011 at 8:58 AM

OWS followers want to Be given the opportunity to excell like others at these rallies. They must first understand how those that are successful became that way – and no where in their protest is there the answer – start with a dream.

MSGTAS on October 19, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Russell Simmons, balogna. You’re position doesn’t exist for others to be lifted up but for yourself to be lifted up way above any working man. And don’t call yourself a working man. If you truly believe the wealthy must be brought down so that others can be brought up then be the first to donate your income and assests. Elites like yourself live for others to suppport you.

Incredible hypocrisy these union thugs dwell in.

shick on October 20, 2011 at 11:09 AM

“The wealthy are paying a lower tax rate.”

Both sides are arguing for a flat/fair tax. The libs just don’t know it. Instead its eat/soak the rich.

shick on October 20, 2011 at 11:14 AM

OWS has brought to my attention that classical liberals are almost extinct now. The neo-liberals are now socialists and they are the majority of them.

shick on October 20, 2011 at 11:16 AM