Poll: Perry now down to … three percent in Florida

posted at 5:31 pm on October 17, 2011 by Allahpundit

Last month, Insider Advantage had him leading Romney in the state 29/20. A month later, “He now barely has a heartbeat.”

Dude:

When I saw Perry’s topline number of three percent, I figured the “Ponzi scheme” talk must have sent Florida’s seniors running screaming into the night. Not so. He’s actually doing (marginally) worse with other age demographics in this poll, and in the last poll he did reasonably well with the 65+ crowd, finishing second to Romney in that group with almost 23 percent. That poll was taken on September 13, which was almost a week after Romney started attacking him on Social Security, so if entitlement chatter is what’s driving this, you would have expected to see some of that show up in last month’s data. What’s killing him here, I assume, is the same thing that’s killing him everywhere — his crack about the base’s “heartlessness” on immigration plus general disappointment that the anointed Romney-killer in the race has ended up making Romney look better and better with his debate performances thus far.

Explain to me how Perry rehabilitates himself to the point where he’s competitive again in Florida. Right now, he’s polling single digits in Iowa, far behind Cain and Romney (and slightly behind Bachmann). Cain might fade but he’s enough of a star at this point to split a decent chunk of Iowa conservatives from Perry, and Bachmann’s enough of a hometown favorite to do the same. If Perry disappoints there, he’ll assuredly be crushed in New Hampshire, where his polling lately is nearly as dismal as it is in Florida. Which leaves South Carolina, where he’s in double digits — but still far behind Romney and Cain. Maybe conservatives there will line up behind him in desperation, in the belief that he’s the only candidate on the right with enough money at that point to take Romney down. But Cain will be able to hurt Perry there too, especially if he surprises in Iowa, and Romney will be competing hard to try to build on his win in New Hampshire and carry momentum into Florida. And if Perry does end up getting crushed in Florida, even if he somehow manages a win in South Carolina, it’ll be a signal to undecideds that he can’t win the swing states that the GOP needs to oust Obama. Exit question: What’s his next move?

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Rebar on October 17, 2011 at 8:03 PM

That poll only showed Palin vs. Bachmann, Perry vs. Palin, but not Perry vs. Romney. I thought that had been polled here…

Aslans Girl on October 17, 2011 at 8:18 PM

Looks like he needs to get back to Texas to work on more job growth…for American citizens.

HornetSting on October 17, 2011 at 8:14 PM

You are a heartless wench//

Knucklehead on October 17, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Voter from WA State on October 17, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Hes totally unelectable, not just the divorce just look at those videos of Gingrich and Pelosi, his bashing of the Ryan Plan, I mean it just goes on. But he is a phenomenal debater. Forget what they say, but Romney and Gingrich are top notch debaters and Perry needs to learn from them and quickly. Im one of the six or so Romney supporters on Hotair, so, between Cain and Perry I dont really care, but I would like to see more of a fight from Perry.

nswider on October 17, 2011 at 8:19 PM

I don’t care…

cozmo on October 17, 2011 at 8:06 PM

I love how you’re petulantly making unfounded accusations galore while claiming I did the same with Perry. Deliciously ironic.

MadisonConservative on October 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM

Dr Evil on October 17, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Good point. Only three states are projected to have larger shortfalls than Texas in 2012: California, Illinois and New Jersey.

By 2020 a majority of Texans will be Hispanic and the state will start turning blue. By 2030 Texans will be viewing Ohio and Michigan with envy.

bw222 on October 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM

tmontgomery on October 17, 2011 at 8:16 PM

True, and organization, which is why he can still recover.

nswider on October 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM

Or Janet Brewer. Or Robert Bentley. Or Nathan Deal.

Oh wait, those are governors who’ve had success on the state level with their illegal problems.

Never mind.

Rebar on October 17, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Really? I believe the Justice Department would disagree with you on that. And they have the liberal Federal Justices to back them up!

Just like Texas’ voter ID law is getting challenged right now.

tmontgomery on October 17, 2011 at 8:22 PM

The rest of the candidates have done their job…they managed to split the conservatives, completely eviscerate each other in hopes of getting in good with Romney to the detriment of their own dreams of the nomination and to the Conservative movement.

tmontgomery on October 17, 2011 at 7:22 PM

That is a very accurate description of the debates. I would add that most of the attacks against Gov. Perry were not accurate and some were lies.

I understand that Gov. Perry is not a great debater, but the forum/format with the MSM and the Mod’s agenda is to take Gov. Perry out. Then along with the “help” of the other Republican “Conservatives”, that seemed to me a mountain very difficult to climb.

This has always been the problem with the Republicans, they always attack their own. Yet, they are so short sighted(blind?) they can’t see how the Dems never do that; they are a team.

If I’m not mistaken Newt has been the only one not to attack Gov. Perry in any of the debates nor the TV shows/or MSM articles. For that alone, I have more respect for him and none for the R “attackers”

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 8:22 PM

What good has that done them?

Voter from WA State on October 17, 2011 at 8:12 PM

A lot of illegals picked up and moved out of their states.

Sounds pretty good to me.

Perry is good about diverting the blame to the federal government, but the other governors have actually done something about it. If the laws need to wind their way through the court systems – so be it. There is no problem with the laws implementing E-Verify, but Perry failed to do so, even for state employees.

And the Israelis put up a fence, and so far not a single person has managed to climb it, and it’s been up for years now. If you think that’s “worthless”, I don’t know what else to say, only an open borders advocate would think so.

Rebar on October 17, 2011 at 8:23 PM

Whoa up there a minute, Miz Recent Immigrant Texas.
Iowa is a pretty good state. Good people, wholesome values, and nothing close to resembling a city in a neighbor state which elected two Daleys and Rahm Emanuel as mayor, plus Blago and Quinn as governors. You sound a little intoxicated with mesquite fumes.

a capella on October 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM

I was born in Sac City. My father was born in Davenport(Davenport HS class of ’60 St. Ambrose ’66). My parents were married at Temple Emmanuel in…Davenport?
I’m an Iowan. I would have rather grown up in Iowa than in Illinois.
Iowa is better than Illinois-but it ain’t Texas.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 8:24 PM

That poll only showed Palin vs. Bachmann, Perry vs. Palin, but not Perry vs. Romney. I thought that had been polled here…

Aslans Girl on October 17, 2011 at 8:18 PM

I’m sure another poll will be taken for next month, with that matchup.

Rebar on October 17, 2011 at 8:25 PM

bw222 on October 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM

go ahead.
Keep pumpin’ that porpoise.
///

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Perry can’t debate no matter what you think of him. Obama will talk rings around him. If you think the way the lsm said biden beat palin was bad (Plain actually won) think what they would say about perry.

tim c on October 17, 2011 at 8:28 PM

The Allah-Perry bromance is ancient history … will the world ever recover?

bifidis on October 17, 2011 at 8:28 PM

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Newts the only anti romney candidate smart enough to understand that you elevate yourself by attacking Obama and you elevate Romney by attacking him. This isnt hard, they are blowing it. Look at the last debate, all of these candidates direct their questions to Romney, giving him about 20 minutes of unlimited airtime to promote himself. What does Romney do? Is he dumb enough to give either of his chief rivals talking time? Nope, lobs a softball to Bachman to elevate her, stifle his rivals and help him in Iowa. You cant beat Romney by giving him airtime by attacking him, you have to as a candidate make yourself the star, not your opponent.

nswider on October 17, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Jake Tapper just reported that Iowa will officially hold their primary January 3rd, times ticking.

nswider on October 17, 2011 at 8:35 PM

Looks like he needs to get back to Texas to work on more job growth…for American citizens.

HornetSting on October 17, 2011 at 8:14 PM

Have you ever wondered why Texas picked up 4 congressional seats while blue states lost seats…could it be that Americans are moving where the jobs are located? Why move to Texas if the jobs only go to the illegals. Your reasoning defies logic.

The 81% jobs only for illegals has been proved wrong.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/279607/cis-and-texas-immigrant-job-myth-chuck-devore

tmontgomery on October 17, 2011 at 8:38 PM

I AM saying that Iowans over-estimate their importance in the scheme of things.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Ever consider that many feel the same way about Texans?

bw222 on October 17, 2011 at 8:41 PM

I AM saying that Iowans over-estimate their importance in the scheme of things.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Ever consider that many feel the same way about Texans?

bw222 on October 17, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Now that we’re here…no. *smiles*

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Voter from WA State on October 17, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Nonsense.

It works for Israel, it would work for us. It works for prisons, it works for military bases, it works for other countries. A military grade fence, not the silly fences we have now, are highly effective.

A fence plus active security has a synergistic effect, together they stop more than either separately. Fact is, we have boots on the ground now – and 20 million illegals got past them. The evidence is clear, boots are not enough. and again, no one has climbed over the Israeli fence, and no tunnel could funnel the traffic the open border does.

We need a fence, and boots on the ground, and E-Verify, and punishing employers, and stopping payments back to Mexico, and police able to ask for identification, and a whole host of common sense measure that together will send the illegals packing.

Perry will not do these things. He simply won’t.

Rebar on October 17, 2011 at 8:42 PM

I would have rather grown up in Iowa than in Illinois.
Iowa is better than Illinois-but it ain’t Texas.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 8:24 PM

There are many great states. I fail to see the value in firing off gratuitous insults at all the citizens of one, simply to reinforce street cred as one strains to be authentic in new surroundings. And, yes, I can take a joke.

a capella on October 17, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Newts the only anti romney candidate smart enough to understand that you elevate yourself by attacking Obama and you elevate Romney by attacking him.
You cant beat Romney by giving him airtime by attacking him, you have to as a candidate make yourself the star, not your opponent.
nswider on October 17, 2011 at 8:29 PM

You need to email this to Gov. Perry; that’s quite wise.
That is the answer to AP: Exit question: What’s his next move?

You nailed it!!!

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Have you ever wondered why Texas picked up 4 congressional seats while blue states lost seats…could it be that Americans are moving where the jobs are located? Why move to Texas if the jobs only go to the illegals. Your reasoning defies logic.

tmontgomery on October 17, 2011 at 8:38 PM

The number of representatives is based on census, not U.S. citizens. Texas is among the three states with the largest percentage increase in illegal aliens over the past decade. In 1980 there were nearly three Anglos for every Hispanic. By 2020 Hispanics- many of them illegal – will be the majority and that spells major economic problems for the state.

Here’s the synopsis of a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, a little more of an authoritative source than Chuck DeVore:

http://dallasfed.org/research/pubs/fotexas/fotexas_petersen.html

bw222 on October 17, 2011 at 8:51 PM

a capella on October 17, 2011 at 8:48 PM

if it means anything…I think I learned the ‘meaning’ of IOWA from fellow Iowan ilovemyusa.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 8:52 PM

HornetSting on October 17, 2011 at 8:14 PM
Have you ever wondered why Texas picked up 4 congressional seats while blue states lost seats…could it be that Americans are moving where the jobs are located? Why move to Texas if the jobs only go to the illegals. Your reasoning defies logic.
The 81% jobs only for illegals has been proved wrong.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/279607/cis-and-texas-immigrant-job-myth-chuck-devore

tmontgomery on October 17, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Chuck DeVore is a visiting senior fellow in fiscal policy at the Texas Public Policy Foundation.

This article would bode painful for a senior fellow in the fiscal policy at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, but I digress….

It looks like this is dispute is not really over, tmontgomery….

Response to Texas Public Policy Foundation

by Steven Camarota

Chuck DeVore of the Texas Public Policy Foundation has responded the recent Center for Immigration Studies report, “Who Benefited from Job Growth in Texas?“, both here at NRO and at the TPPF site. As co-author of the report in question, his response itself requires a response.

Our report found that most of the increase in employment in Texas from 2007 to 2011 went to newly arrived immigrants. DeVore does not dispute our numbers, he just doesn’t like our interpretation. His main criticism is that there is a lot of turnover in jobs, so you can’t look at who benefited from job growth. When thinking about this issue it is helpful to go over the figures. Here are the facts: Government data shows there were about 280,000 more people working in Texas in the second quarter of 2011 than in the same quarter of 2007. In the second quarter of 2011 there were 225,000 immigrants (legal and illegal) working in the state who indicated that they arrived in our country between the second quarter of 2007 and the second quarter of 2011. Thus the employment gains of newly arrived immigrants (225,000) equaled 81 percent of total employment growth (280,000). Over the same time period, the employment situation for native-born workers deteriorated significantly.

One is still free to argue that immigration so stimulates the economy that it offsets any job competition it creates. DeVore makes a half-hearted attempt to do so by stating that immigrants are more likely to start businesses. Actually, the data is clear that immigrants overall are somewhat less likely to operate their own business than the native-born. (See Table 9, p. 17 of this study) Thus one cannot argue that immigration creates jobs due to immigrants’ unusually high rates of entrepreneurship, though one could still argue there are other ways immigration benefits the economy.

DeVore’s central argument seems to be that you just can’t look at the employment numbers because there is so much churn in the labor market. But this is like arguing that a jump in unemployment from 5 to 10 percent does not matter, because workers are always gaining and losing jobs over time. Such an argument ignores the fact that it’s the end result of all that churn, those job gains and losses, that matters most. In fact, most employment statistics — such as jobs added each month or the unemployment rate — are an examination of the end result of what is always a lot of job turnover. It’s the same with Texas immigration.

Over a four-year period in Texas most of the net increase in employment went to newly arrived immigrants. As we make clear in our report, the native-born accounted for the vast majority (69 percent) of population growth from 2007 to 2011 among working-age adults (ages 16 to 65). In other words, natives made up most of the net growth in potential workers, but immigrants made up most of the growth of actual workers. As a result, the unemployment and the employment rates of natives show a marked deterioration over this time period. This last point can’t be emphasized enough.

Although Texas was one of the only states with a significant gain in employment (which may well have partly been the result, as DeVore points out, of sound tax and regulatory policies), the native-born did very poorly over this time period. Moreover, in the second quarter of 2011, the unemployment rate for natives in Texas was 8.1 percent, ranking the state 22nd out of 50 states for native employment. Even worse, the share of working-age natives holding a job (the employment rate) in Texas was 67 percent in 2011, ranking Texas 29th in the nation.

A more minor objection DeVore raises – with which he leads his NRO piece – is that the CIS report looked at net employment growth and compared it to the gross flow of new immigrants from abroad into Texas. We actually do a net-to-net comparison in our study (which DeVore acknowledges in his TPPF response, but not on NRO), and that comparison shows the same disproportionate benefit to immigrants; the number of immigrants working in Texas increased by 150,000 from the second quarter of 2007 to the second of 2011, at the same time the number of natives working increased 130,000. This means that 54 percent of overall employment growth went to immigrants, even though they accounted for only 31 percent of the increase in the working-age population. Net growth in the immigrant population is always smaller than new arrivals because each year some immigrants die and some go home. For example, new Census Bureau data show about 9 million growth in the immigrant population 2000 to 2010, even though 14 million immigrants arrived during the decade. The difference (5 million) is deaths and out-migration.

In our report we argue that the arrival of immigrants – the gross flow, as DeVore puts it – is the better yardstick than net growth in the immigrant population because from a policy perspective the flow of immigrants entering the country is the thing we have control over. Changes in the legal immigration program are policy decisions, as are changes in the level of enforcement against illegal immigration. The net increase in the immigrant population, on the other hand, is, as mentioned above, a function of deaths and out-migration, over which policy has much less influence. But if DeVore prefers the net numbers, then it is still the case that a disproportionate share of jobs went to immigrants.

One other point worth mentioning is that DeVore doubts our estimate that about half (123,000) of post-2007 immigrants who took a job were illegal aliens. He points out that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimates that the illegal population grew only 60,000 from January 1, 2007, to January 1, 2010. In fact, the DHS estimate is not inconsistent with our estimate. First, our estimates are for new arrivals, not net growth. As discussed above the number of new arrivals is always much larger than net growth because of deaths and out-migration, and in the case of illegals some also get legal status each year (i.e., they’re still here but they’ve left the illegal population through legalization). Net growth can easily be only half of new arrivals. Second, our figures for new illegal immigrants go to the middle of 2011, not the first day of 2010 as do the DHS estimates DeVore cites. Our results for Texas are consistent with DHS estimates.

The bottom line is that in Texas immigrants, not the native-born, have been the primary beneficiaries of job growth in the state. This is the case whether we look at the flow of newly arrived immigrants or the net growth in the immigrant population. It is also true even though the native-born accounted for the vast majority of population growth among those of working age. The existence of turnover in the labor market does not change these facts.

Other researchers have done similar analysis. See for example here and here. As one author looking at the national figures has argued, “Employers have chosen to use new immigrants over native-born workers and have continued to displace large numbers of blue-collar workers and young adults without college degrees.” We don’t even go that far in our report; we simply report the figures for immigrants and natives.

As I wrote on NRO recently, it matters a great deal that most job growth in Texas went to immigrants at the same time as the employment situation for the native-born deteriorated dramatically. Arguing that constant turnover in the labor market makes this kind of analysis invalid is obfuscation. In our view these numbers raise the question of whether it makes sense for the federal government to continue the current high level of legal immigration and for the federal and state governments to continue to tolerate illegal immigration. The reader can form his own conclusions.

There are many moving to Texas, many of them illegal..they don’t differentiate between legal and illegal in the census that gives Texas four more seats, by design…it just backfired for the democrats, and yes, they go for jobs, the pro-business atmosphere…I want to go home as well, but you cannot dispute the information that illegal/legal immigrants took the majority of the jobs that Rick Perry touts.

Rick Perry at 3% in Florida….heartache

HornetSting on October 17, 2011 at 8:54 PM

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Thank you :)

nswider on October 17, 2011 at 8:54 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 8:24 PM

I lived in the Chicago area and agree with you that Iowa is better. Mayor Daley destroyed the south suburbs when he tore down the projects. I used to have relatives living in Lansing when it was a nice blue collar town. It got so bad they moved to the Indiana side of the border.

bw222 on October 17, 2011 at 8:55 PM

eVerify doesn’t work very well because it relies on former bad SS#s. It has never cleaned out the bad from the good. I was told as an employer not to rely on it.

Voter from WA State on October 17, 2011 at 8:45 PM

E-Verify is getting better, and it is effective in deterring at least some illegals getting jobs. IOt’s good enough so that 18 states now use it.

Not Texas though, not even for state employees, which reflects poorly on Perry.

Rebar on October 17, 2011 at 8:56 PM

The most worrisome stat that I saw today was Cain pulling a whopping 4% in the black community.

What would he bring to the GOP if he cant even bring in his own peeps?

Still…….he’s my # 1 choice.

Cain
Crazy Eyes MB
The Used car salesman from Austin

In that order.

PappyD61 on October 17, 2011 at 8:56 PM

There are many great states. I fail to see the value in firing off gratuitous insults at all the citizens of one, simply to reinforce street cred as one strains to be authentic in new surroundings. And, yes, I can take a joke.

a capella on October 17, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Thank you.

Knucklehead on October 17, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Who’s Perry?

Cain, Cain, Cain, Cain. That’s the Herman Cain Train running down the tracks.

Dandapani on October 17, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Ever consider that many feel the same way about Texans?

bw222 on October 17, 2011 at 8:41 PM

All the time, but y’all just don’t know better.

Seriously, mom from Nebraska (me too, Iowa side), dad from Illinois (born in Iowa as across the river was the nearest hospital). If y’all had a primary instead of a caucus, we might hold it in higher regard.

cozmo on October 17, 2011 at 9:01 PM

E-Verify is getting better, and it is effective in deterring at least some illegals getting jobs. IOt’s good enough so that 18 states now use it.

Not Texas though, not even for state employees, which reflects poorly on Perry.

Rebar on October 17, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Many of Perry’s mega donors are in construction or poultry processing (including Bob Perry Homebuilders and Pilgrim’s Pride Chicken), which I believe explains his opposition to E-Verify.

bw222 on October 17, 2011 at 9:05 PM

Perry can still pull it out if he manages to somehow defy all expectations and perform well in the remaining debates, particularly the one in Las Vegas tomorrow. Sure, Perry’s got money, more than anyone but Romney, but money won’t save him if GOP primary voters think he’ll blow it against President Obama, whose numbers remain surprisingly high in spite of the most catastrophic presidency since Buchanan.

A few weeks ago or so, Perry’s wife boasted that her husband had never been on a debating team or engaged a debate coach. Does that mean he doesn’t rehearse, either? Really? Wow. Do the names Nixon or Lincoln ring any bells with this guy? Nixon’s political career was nearly ended by his defeat to JFK. Lincoln’s debate performance against Douglas, in addition to his famous Copper Union speech, made his reputation, put his name in the public consciousness, and made possible his path to the Presidency.

These debates matter. Either Perry pulls it out tomorrow and gives the country a glimpse of greatness–and we need greatness right now–or he needs to get out of the way.

troyriser_gopftw on October 17, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Vindicated!! Look folks, if we can’t laugh at ourselves, others will do it for us.

abobo on October 17, 2011 at 9:10 PM

It is interesting that he just received the endorsement of Stemberger the head of a 65,000 person strong Christian Conservation movement there and who also was the attorney for Rifqa Bary.

Kermit on October 17, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Not sure I’m ready to nominate Al Gore’s campaign chairman. Sorry. That’s a nuanced position, Perry promoting that bag of hot globally warmed wind.

hanzblinx on October 17, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Well, that’s okay. That’s why we have elections. As for me, I am not ready to nominate someone who has had the despicable and evil John ‘forced abortion and sterilants in the water’ Holdren for an environmental advisor. Also, three Romney advisors on Romneycare went on to become Obama advisors. That is just too much intellectual incest between Romney and Obama.

bitsy on October 17, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Mexican Certels Recruiting Texas Children:

http://news.yahoo.com/mexican-drug-cartels-recruiting-texas-children-173402030.html

bw222 on October 17, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Perry needs to go on a charm offensive, he can be charming, and he has a sense of humor, he should start showing that side of his personality. Perry’s focus should stay on Romney and Obama, it’s not like they are that far apart so it should be an easy political exercise :)

Perry has made it clear that he is the Conservative Christian candidate. He doesn’t look like he’s enjoying his campaign for President of the United States. People can tell when someone is enjoying what they are doing….Newt Gingrich looks like he looks forward to the debates. He’s like a kid in a candy store. Perry looks like he’s been up all night cramming for an exam.

It comes down to Perry’s campaign team figuring out what sells with the American electorate….the same thing that always sells. Which candidate would you most like to have a beer with? Right now for me it’s Herman Cain, but I tell ya what, that Lance Huntsman he’s a comer’.

Dr Evil on October 17, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Serious question, and this should be a Hot Air poll:
If Mitt Romney and Rick Perry are the only two candidates left, who do you vote for?

carbon_footprint on October 17, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Gov. Perry has always been my choice after Palin.

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 9:20 PM

with mesquite fumes.

a capella on October 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM

LOL, that’s what happens to all that move to Texas:-) It really is G-d’s Country a whole different place. It reall isn’t just another State. It must be experienced:-)

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Perry needs to go on a charm offensive, he can be charming, and he has a sense of humor, he should start showing that side of his personality.
Dr Evil on October 17, 2011 at 9:20 PM

And that’s what Herman Cain has. Always smiling, inspired and a great sense of humor. This country needs to be inspired right now, the way Ronald Reagan inspired us all.

Knucklehead on October 17, 2011 at 9:29 PM

LOL, that’s what happens to all that move to Texas:-) It really is G-d’s Country a whole different place. It reall isn’t just another State. It must be experienced:-)

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 9:25 PM

It really is like a whole other country…I miss home. :(

HornetSting on October 17, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Dr Evil on October 17, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Good point. Only three states are projected to have larger shortfalls than Texas in 2012: California, Illinois and New Jersey.

By 2020 a majority of Texans will be Hispanic and the state will start turning blue. By 2030 Texans will be viewing Ohio and Michigan with envy.

bw222 on October 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM

I don’t know if the country has until 2020. The word from the folks in south Texas is be careful the illegal criminal activity is moving north deeper into Texas.

Oct 14,2011,Texas Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples spoke with Congress today regarding dangerous activity along the US/Mexico border. Check out kxxv.com to see some of his written testimony. News Channel 25

Dr Evil on October 17, 2011 at 9:31 PM

We get it, the federal government won’t do their duty to secure our border, and they won’t let anyone else do it either.

Dr Evil on October 17, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Exactly. What gets on my nerves is this constant drum beat that for some idiotic thot that Gov. Perry is responsible for the entire Immigration policy in the U.S.!! I view this as the OWS instead of ODC.

I have an idea. Why don’t all of these complainers have their State Treasury send money to Gov. Perry for this wrap around fence they want. Then they can volunteer ground troops also. Geesh!

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 9:33 PM

eVerify doesn’t work very well because it relies on former bad SS#s. It has never cleaned out the bad from the good. I was told as an employer not to rely on it.

Voter from WA State on October 17, 2011 at 8:45 PM

Major fail.

Told by whom??? Hard to argue with these facts.

Out of 10,000 applications, 9830 are OK on the first try, 30 are falsely mismatched and get corrected, 143 are rejected, of which 130 don’t bother to contest it (i.e., illegal workers), 1 contested and still rejected.

That leaves only 14 out of 10,000 that need resolution. Not bad for starters.

I wonder why Perry said of E-Verfy, “It would not make a hill of beans’ difference.”

fred5678 on October 17, 2011 at 9:36 PM

Knucklehead on October 17, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Quit sounding like a Palinista.
That’s not the Knuck I know!

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Perry will not do these things. He simply won’t.

Rebar on October 17, 2011 at 8:42 PM

http://www.ktrh.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=121300&article=9261275

Explain this, if he is so weak on the border.

kg598301 on October 17, 2011 at 9:38 PM

bw222 on October 17, 2011 at 8:55 PM

I used to live 6 miles west of Dyer, IN.
Chicago Heights might as well be part of Chicago now.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 9:40 PM

…Out of 10,000 applications, 9830 are OK on the first try, 30 are falsely mismatched and get corrected, 143 are rejected, of which 130 don’t bother to contest it (i.e., illegal workers), 1 contested and still rejected.

That leaves only 14 out of 10,000 that need resolution. Not bad for starters….

fred5678 on October 17, 2011 at 9:36 PM

Of course, these are largely from VOLUNTARILY enrolled employers — the good guys. A simple “We Use E-Verify” sign on the front window does wonders.

I’ll bet unscrupulous employers, who avoid E-Verify like the plague and lobby against E-Verify, would get a MUCH higher reject rate if it were mandatory, as HR 2885 hopefully will do.

Then we won’t have to worry about what each state does or does not do.

fred5678 on October 17, 2011 at 9:47 PM

And that’s what Herman Cain has. Always smiling, inspired and a great sense of humor. This country needs to be inspired right now, the way Ronald Reagan inspired us all.

Knucklehead on October 17, 2011 at 9:29 PM

It makes more difference than people acknowledge. I remember when Chris Christie went on Imus in the Morning, when he was running for Governor of New Jersey….Imus was telling him, listen I don’t want to back a loser. Christie: You’re not Don, I am a big fat winner lol. You could tell he was enjoying running for Governor of New Jersey.

A little self depreciating humor goes a long way….if you let people laugh with you, they don’t laugh at you. They see the candidate is like a regular guy or gal, people can relate to. I sometimes think that it’s Perry’s campaign team that’s behind his wooden performance. Just let him be himself, and see how that works out in one of these debates. Instead of sending him in to compete in an artificial debate format going by the network’s rules. It’s been working for Newt during the debates, he’s playing by his own rules, that’s the way you stick out and leave an impression. Perry needs to imagine when he’s debating, that he’s at the target range after all he enjoys target practice.

Dr Evil on October 17, 2011 at 9:48 PM

LOL, that’s what happens to all that move to Texas:-) It really is G-d’s Country a whole different place. It reall isn’t just another State. It must be experienced:-)

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 9:25 PM
It really is like a whole other country…I miss home. :(

HornetSting on October 17, 2011 at 9:30 PM

I know exactly how you feel. Lived and worked there for about 15 years, son & dtr born there. Before that hubby & I drove and once into Texas on our way to the Valley, I didn’t think we’d ever get there!! Beautiful Country, great people!! We came into the Valley just before dawn and those tall palm trees were awesome:-) I had never seen any, just pictures. Great memories:-)

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 9:50 PM

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 9:33 PM

I am north of Dallas, but I know folks south of us. There are rumblings you know warning things aren’t great down on the southern border of Texas. This is on Obama’s watch, Perry has asked over, and over again for some help from the federal government, to hold back the hordes. Obama can’t think that this helps him with democrat voters, they want border security too.

Dr Evil on October 17, 2011 at 9:55 PM

I wonder who Palin will endorse? I think her endorsement will put somebody permanently in the lead over Romney. She was my first choice before Perry. If she endorses Cain, I guess I could get used to the pizza plan.

bitsy on October 17, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Exit question: What’s his next move?

Time machine. He’s got to get back there and stop himself from calling us heartless. Short of that, stick a fork in it; it’s over.

Kensington on October 17, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Quit sounding like a Palinista.
That’s not the Knuck I know!

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Really?

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annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 9:40 PM

Blah, blah, blah. Give it a rest and give me a break.

Knucklehead on October 17, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Perry’s performance as a candidate has been so inept you wonder how he ever got elected governor of Texas.

chris999 on October 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM

I used to live 6 miles west of Dyer, IN.
Chicago Heights might as well be part of Chicago now.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 9:40 PM

They live in Schererville (SP?) now. I’ve driven through Dyer (nice town but don’t blink or you’ll miss it). I always liked South Holland, but that’s become pretty rough too.

bw222 on October 17, 2011 at 10:51 PM

Dr Evil on October 17, 2011 at 9:55 PM

I know that Gov. Perry has asked not only for help on the border as you say, but when they had those terrible fires. Then the EPA is targeting Texas. Another thing I’ve noticed is anything the border States try to do to secure the border or other steps, as AZ or Alabama, then the Feds step in with court action. But isn’t it interesting you don’t hear a peep out of them regarding In-State Tuition? LOL They don’t want to secure the border since they want those votes. A lot easier to blame Gov. Perry & the other border State Governors and then keep them from doing anything.

Same thing in the debates, blame Gov. Perry, but give the Admin a free ride and this by those that wear the Conservative label!

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Exit question: What’s his next move?
Time machine. He’s got to get back there and stop himself from calling us heartless. Short of that, stick a fork in it; it’s over.

Kensington on October 17, 2011 at 10:15 PM

First of all, that is old news. Second the correct answer to the question is found here:

nswider on October 17, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Keep in mind this bit of wisdom came not from a Gov. Perry supporter, which makes it more astounding!!

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 11:27 PM

Perry’s performance as a candidate has been so inept you wonder how he ever got elected governor of Texas.

chris999 on October 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM

It is amazing isn’t it? They keep electing him tho, huh? LOL
They must know something you don’t know:-)

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Perry’s performance as a candidate has been so inept you wonder how he ever got elected governor of Texas.

chris999 on October 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM

It is amazing isn’t it? They keep electing him tho, huh? LOL
They must know something you don’t know:-)

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Bachmann was right! There WAS something in those Gardasil shots….

HornetSting on October 17, 2011 at 11:42 PM

Bachmann was right! There WAS something in those Gardasil shots….

HornetSting on October 17, 2011 at 11:42 PM

LOL, you know as well as I do, that not one person received that vaccine due to the mandate:-)

bluefox on October 18, 2011 at 12:05 AM

It is amazing isn’t it? They keep electing him tho, huh? LOL
They must know something you don’t know:-)

bluefox on October 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM

I’m sure Palin throwing an endorsement his way was a factor there.

RachDubya on October 18, 2011 at 12:40 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on October 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Umm, twerp…you DO know where I live, right?

lovingmyUSA on October 18, 2011 at 12:40 AM

Perry’s performance as a candidate has been so inept you wonder how he ever got elected governor of Texas.

chris999 on October 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM

Perry has never been strong in debates. He has been able to avoid most debates in Texas, but the ones he has been in…not good. His strong points are the one on one, meeting rooms, on the stump type of campaigning. There have been many races that he looked like he was going to be beat in the polls, but always in the last few weeks he manages to start pulling ahead and goes on to win. He beat our Texas darling Kay Bailey Hutchison…that was pretty surprising.

I am curious to see if he can come from behind again and and win this nomination. Lord knows he has the financial means to stay in.

As for why he keeps getting re-elected:

He is strong on getting the government out of the way so business can do what it does best. He is pro business and pro jobs, and he governs that way.

He has cut spending and balanced the budget. He did not raise taxes.

He has fought the Federal government on everything from the EPA regulations that will kill jobs, and cause energy shortages, to the Justice department challenging Texas laws requiring Voter ID and he joined in the lawsuit against Obamneycare.

He ushered in torte reform which put a cap on medical malpractice damages. It made it affordable for doctors to practice medicine in Texas.

Those are just a few reasons why he has been the longest serving Governor in US history.

I consider him an effective leader.

tmontgomery on October 18, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Bachmann was right! There WAS something in those Gardasil shots….

HornetSting on October 17, 2011 at 11:42 PM

LOL, you know as well as I do, that not one person received that vaccine due to the mandate:-)

bluefox on October 18, 2011 at 12:05 AM

Oh, I know that..I was talking about her OTHER accusation….

HornetSting on October 18, 2011 at 12:45 AM

He is strong on getting the government out of the way so business can do what it does best. He is pro business and pro jobs, and he governs that way.

He has cut spending and balanced the budget. He did not raise taxes.

He has fought the Federal government on everything from the EPA regulations that will kill jobs, and cause energy shortages, to the Justice department challenging Texas laws requiring Voter ID and he joined in the lawsuit against Obamneycare.

He ushered in torte reform which put a cap on medical malpractice damages. It made it affordable for doctors to practice medicine in Texas.

Those are just a few reasons why he has been the longest serving Governor in US history.

I consider him an effective leader.

tmontgomery on October 18, 2011 at 12:43 AM

That’s why I like him and will support him as long as he stays in. He may be a terrible debater, but he would make the best president, by far.

I’m voting for a POTUS, not someone to entertain me.

capitalist piglet on October 18, 2011 at 1:09 AM

tmontgomery on October 18, 2011 at 12:43 AM

capitalist piglet on October 18, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Dittoes.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 18, 2011 at 1:18 AM

There is hope for Perry. If you look at past elections, people like John McCain were sort of this low and look, they came back to get the nomination. There’s a chance Mitt’s campaign will totally implode and the more left-leaning Republicans will jump on Perry’s boat. It’s possible.

MeatHeadinCA on October 18, 2011 at 1:32 AM

Interestingly, I was perusing a couple of threads at FreeRepublic (over the crazy “electrified fence” remarks), and it sure looked to me like more people were scrutinizing Cain there than are willing to do that here.

Perry’s actually got a fair amount of support there, and his supporters seemed to have good command of the facts of the in-state tuition law, his efforts on the border, and other matters.

It surprised me, because I always think of FreeRepublic as further to the right than HotAir, but it sure didn’t look that way to me the other night.

capitalist piglet on October 18, 2011 at 1:56 AM

Interestingly, I was perusing a couple of threads at FreeRepublic (over the crazy “electrified fence” remarks), and it sure looked to me like more people were scrutinizing Cain there than are willing to do that here.

Perry’s actually got a fair amount of support there, and his supporters seemed to have good command of the facts of the in-state tuition law, his efforts on the border, and other matters.

It surprised me, because I always think of FreeRepublic as further to the right than HotAir, but it sure didn’t look that way to me the other night.

capitalist piglet on October 18, 2011 at 1:56 AM

I just read this article from newsmax.com about how Perry is the only one that can win because he’s the only one that can get the Hispanic support. Here’s the link: http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/perry-hispanic-vote-2012/2011/10/14/id/414538

The thing is while the xenophobes in the GOP and Tea Party refuse to acknowledge the success Perry has had with in-state tuition (something that will really draw a lot of Hispanics our way), they have no clear path to victory other than some guy that wants to electrocute people.

MeatHeadinCA on October 18, 2011 at 2:03 AM

Plus, I don’t know if I even buy that Rick Perry is so low in Florida… you know they have a lot of Hispanics in Florida and so he’s destined to get all that support.

MeatHeadinCA on October 18, 2011 at 2:07 AM

capitalist piglet on October 18, 2011 at 1:56 AM

That’s nice to know. I know that redstate.com and Ace of Spades is much more discerning about Cain and more supportive of Perry.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 18, 2011 at 2:28 AM

MeatHeadinCA on October 18, 2011 at 2:03 AM

Bishing again? :rollseyes:

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 18, 2011 at 2:28 AM

MeatHeadinCA on October 18, 2011 at 2:03 AM

Bishing again? :rollseyes:

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 18, 2011 at 2:28 AM

Did you even read the article? Perry’s your guy, right? I’d think you’d be more supportive.

MeatHeadinCA on October 18, 2011 at 2:32 AM

MeatHeadinCA on October 18, 2011 at 2:32 AM

You’re being disengenious, therefore, you are Bishing. Especially with your snarky “There’s a chance Mitt’s campaign will totally implode and the more left-leaning Republicans will jump on Perry’s boat.”

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 18, 2011 at 2:42 AM

Or Janet Brewer. Or Robert Bentley. Or Nathan Deal.

Oh wait, those are governors who’ve had success on the state level with their illegal problems.

Never mind.

Rebar on October 17, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Y’all keep forgetting OK. We were first in the nation back in 2007 and despite the dire warnings of jobs Americans won’t do going unfilled, we saw rising wages where illegals used yo do — namely food and hotel services and construction and lowered unemployment. It took a gop legislature to override a bleeding heart Baptist donk governor.

AH_C on October 18, 2011 at 2:49 AM

Perry will not do these things. He simply won’t.

Rebar on October 17, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Tell you what. Google map the amistad reservoir and a couple hundred miles of the river to he Northwest and report back on how you’d fence it. If you candidates do it, you’ll be rich selling it to the US

AH_C on October 18, 2011 at 3:01 AM

to he Northwest and report back on how you’d fence it. If you candidates do it…

should be ‘the’ and ‘can’

AH_C on October 18, 2011 at 3:04 AM

Wearing a straight jacket 24/7 after being pushed over the edge by her announcement makes it hard to type.

xblade on October 17, 2011 at 7:45 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!! ROFLMMMFLMAO!!!! That’s a knee-slapper there for sure…you anti-Palin geeks sure have a gift for comedy. I hadn’t EVER heard anything like that before, either!

Being in that straightjacket might also make it difficult to vote for whatever candidate you might actually like as well, you know.

The unhinged ones are the creeps who are still having to do their little end-zone dance.

ddrintn on October 18, 2011 at 7:33 AM

Plus, I don’t know if I even buy that Rick Perry is so low in Florida… you know they have a lot of Hispanics in Florida and so he’s destined to get all that support.

MeatHeadinCA on October 18, 2011 at 2:07 AM

That’s an excellent question is anyone running political ads in Florida?

Dr Evil on October 18, 2011 at 9:10 AM

Until Cain or Romney come up with as comprehensive plan for energy independence as Gov. Perry

Actually you can read Romney’s comprehensive energy plan at his website (download the plan in .pdf format). It’s too long to post here, but this is the short summary:

Mitt Romney will pursue an energy policy that puts conservative principles into action: significant regulatory reform, support for increased production, and a government that focuses on funding basic research instead of chasing fads and picking winners. Romney will streamline federal regulation of energy exploration and development so that the government acts as a facilitator of those activities instead of as an obstacle to them. He will create one-stop shops and impose fixed timelines for standard permits and approvals, and he will accelerate the process for companies with established safety records seeking to employ approved practices in approved areas.
Under this robust and efficient regulatory framework, Romney will significantly expand the areas available for energy development—including in the Gulf of Mexico, the Outer Continental Shelf, Western lands, and Alaska. He will also strengthen partnerships with Canada and Mexico to expand opportunities for American companies in the development of those nations’ resources. And he will encourage continued development of unconventional reserves like shale gas and oil that hold enormous promise for expanding the base of U.S. reserves.

hanzblinx on October 18, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Was this poll taken before or after Perry’s speech on his energy plan?

Drilling for oil and gas may not be popular in Florida, which has the most beautiful beaches in the nation, but even Floridians have seen their gasoline bills and air-conditioning bills nearly double over the past two years, and they might be happy to see companies drill “somewhere else”.

Perry’s energy plan is EXACTLY what this country needs on this very important issue, and if Perry can sell it to the voters (a big if), he will be right back into the race.

If Perry fails to explain it in an articulate fashion, hopefully one of the other candidates will embrace the plan and adopt it in his own platform. Perry’s energy plan IS a game-changer–it’s up to Perry whether it helps HIM or some other candidate.

Steve Z on October 18, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Speaking of Palin weirdly Unseen and so many nistas lately have been well…er…unseen.

CW on October 17, 2011 at 6:36 PM

We’re still crying in our beer.

Who is John Galt on October 18, 2011 at 6:55 PM

And digging our bunkers deeper…

Who is John Galt on October 18, 2011 at 6:56 PM