White House irked by rumors Obama plans to drop Biden

posted at 12:05 pm on October 13, 2011 by Tina Korbe

MSNBC’s “Today” attracted a little Twitter ire from White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer, after “Today” hosts asked both Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton whether Barack Obama might not strike Biden from the 2012 ticket and add Clinton instead:

White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer posted this on his Twitter account Tuesday morning:

“I have noticed a weird @todayshow obsession with faux story of Sec. Clinton replacing @VP…Have asked both about it last 2 days on the show.”

Mr. Biden said he will be on the ticket again.

“Absolutely, positively yes,” the vice president said. “There’s never been a question about that.”

Clinton says a swap is probably not even “in the realm of possibility.” Biden is doing “an amazingly good job,” she said. That makes me think her judgment is no more sound than his and it’d be an even trade.

Pfeiffer followed up his first tweet with a clarification to make sure the folks at the “Today” show know he’s not too irked: “Not upset, just tweaking them.” But the story surely irritates Pfeiffer for what the speculation reveals about President Obama’s reelection chances. If he presided right now over a prosperous economy, would anybody give credence to whispered suggestions that he needs or plans to rearrange his team to appear stronger and more palatable to the electorate? But it’s also easy to see why these rumors are just rumors. As bumbling as Biden is, he still doesn’t draw the same depth of emotion — both positive and negative — as Hillary has in the past. Leaving Biden on the ticket ensures 2012 is all about Obama, which no doubt the president will like — unless (or until) he loses.


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That makes me think her judgment is no more sound than his and it’d be an even trade.

Heh.

Well played, TK.

Abby Adams on October 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM

what is an “amazingly good job”?

Thats like saying your kid is an amazing “B” student…and we know Joe was only an amazingly good “C” student.

joepub on October 13, 2011 at 12:09 PM

I can not see dear hill thinking of being bho’s vp, ever! I can not see mo or jarrett ever going along with it either. And dear joe is a laugh a minute, so keep him to help bho out for re-election.
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letget on October 13, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Clinton says a swap is probably not even “in the realm of possibility.” Biden is doing “an amazingly good job,” she said. That makes me think her judgment is no more sound than his and it’d be an even trade.

Her judgment may not be any more sound than Bidens, but I wouldn’t necessarily take this quote as proof of that. All Hillary is saying here is she has no desire to be co captain of the Titanic.

Meh on October 13, 2011 at 12:10 PM

“Absolutely, positively yes,” the vice president said. “There’s never been a question about that.”

Obowma/Clinton 2012…!

Seven Percent Solution on October 13, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Of course Obama’s going to drop Biden.

Obama’s desperate – he needs a new, fresh, face to convince people that his second term won’t be as big a disaster as his first.

Realist on October 13, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Biden = impeachment insurance. Clinton, not so much

dentalque on October 13, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Well played, TK.

Abby Adams on October 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM

haha! I didn’t even catch that. Nice one TK.

Mord on October 13, 2011 at 12:14 PM

“Hey, they’re not talkin’ about jobs”

faraway on October 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM

I don’t think Obama will drop Biden….it would be tacit admission that he made a wrong choice. Obama always doubles down. Always.

Mord on October 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Clinton doesnt want to be near the Obama crater. She wont run even if top dems scuttle Zero with scandals to get rid of him.

dogsoldier on October 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Better idea:

Dump Obama, keep Biden.

turfmann on October 13, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Leaving Biden on the ticket ensures 2012 is all about Obama, which no doubt the president will like — unless (or until) he loses.

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Well… about those (evil doers) who oppose Barry’s dictatorship anyway…
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RalphyBoy on October 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM

I don’t think Obama will drop Biden….it would be tacit admission that he made a wrong choice. Obama always doubles down. Always.

Mord on October 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM

That’s why it will be “Biden’s decision”. He’ll cite his health or something and leave an open spot to be filled.

Abby Adams on October 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM

joepub on October 13, 2011 at 12:09 PM

B+!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0BXFdwtiNY

cs89 on October 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM

“Absolutely, positively yes,” the vice president said. “There’s never been a question about that.”

Sure thinbg Slo Joe, we’ll file that one with the others. God bless ya!

“If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there’s still a 30% chance we’re going to get it wrong.”

“When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed.

“Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America.

“You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent…. I’m not joking.”

Trafalgar on October 13, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Did anyone see on the Fox news ticker the other night, that Daley is leaving after 2012? Is that telling?

As for Hillary…for her to say that about Joe, LOL Well…they all flock together. The stupid leading the stupid.

capejasmine on October 13, 2011 at 12:22 PM

That’s why it will be “Biden’s decision”. He’ll cite his health or something and leave an open spot to be filled.

Abby Adams on October 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Meh, it just doesn’t seem plausible. They prefer to pretend that nothing is wrong, they don’t even sound in touch with reality sometimes. It’s a symptom of thinking that they are the smartest and most savvy people on the planet.

Mord on October 13, 2011 at 12:28 PM

they can’t drop Joe…he’s a member of the ‘cracked skulls club’ or so he says. That’d be like disriminating against the handicapped right?

ted c on October 13, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Think about it. Would you want to be the only person standing between Hillary and the presidency? I didn’t think so, and even BHO realizes that.

TedInATL on October 13, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Biden is the comic relief of the constant horror of Obama. I say keep him. With Hillary, we would be enraged even more.

jeffn21 on October 13, 2011 at 12:30 PM

A failed Biden vice-presidency. Yep, that’s the problem.

topdog on October 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM

There is no freakin way that Barry would put a veep on the ticket who has even a small chance of being a competent president, so Hillary is obviously out. Biden has ALWAYS been What-Hinckley-Tried-To-Do-To-Reagan Insurance.

CantCureStupid on October 13, 2011 at 12:37 PM

That Hillary said “Biden is doing a fine job” makes her more stupid than I thought she was.

In a sane world these two should by now be fighting for the 2012 nomination, alas…

Schadenfreude on October 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Pray the world remains insane so that you don’t have to fight Hillary in 2012.

Schadenfreude on October 13, 2011 at 12:41 PM

That Hillary said “Biden is doing a fine job” makes her more stupid than I thought she was.

In a sane world these two should by now be fighting for the 2012 nomination, alas…

Schadenfreude on October 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Did you ever think her saying that, was a jab at O-blah-blah for the constant Biden gaffes?

I think so.

upinak on October 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM

That’s why it will be “Biden’s decision”. He’ll cite his health or something and leave an open spot to be filled.

Abby Adams on October 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM

“I’m dropping out to spend more time with my plugs and veneers.” – Greasy Joe.

I think there’s a possibility President Obama will pull an LBJ, say he’s accomplished all he needs to, and drop out of the race and push for Biden to represent his administration in the general election. If polls show there’s no chance he will win, or if there’s a small chance he wins but no chance the Democrats keep the Senate, I can see him dropping out. I don’t believe he wants to spend 4 years as a lame duck with both chambers of Congress under the leadership of Republicans. He had a hard enough time gaining a slim majority with his own party in charge.

Then there’s the chance he ignores the polls, assumes he’s the special guy everyone he’s ever known has told him he is for his entire life and stays in the race hoping that alone will carry him to a second term. When he loses, he’ll concede in the most ungraceful manner possible and spend the rest of his life making Jimmy Carter look like a die-hard, flag-waving patriot as he makes billions of dollars giving speeches overseas and at far-left universities, complaining about how racist and stupid the Americans (who elected him in the first place) are.

Wingo on October 13, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Slow Joe Biden doing an amazingly good job? What’s amazing is that the man can find his breakfast in the morning.

njcommuter on October 13, 2011 at 12:52 PM

I don’t remember the details, but wasn’t there similar speculation concerning Cheney for the 04 ticket? It was probably health related, or at least expressed in concern of who would follow Bush, but I seem to recall the speculation.

karl9000 on October 13, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Just before a team owner fires the coach or trades a player, you get the obligatory “he has my full support and I love the job he’s doing” quote in the paper. By that standard, Crazy Joe should start packing.

MTF on October 13, 2011 at 12:56 PM

I’m sure Michelle Obama has laid down the law to her husband: HILLARY WILL NOT BE VICE PRESIDENT!!! My guess is that Michelle always gets her way in that union. Read everything you want into that.

suburbanite on October 13, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Hillary VEEP?

No need for that now Palin (or any woman) isn’t going to get the nomination for President.

And the Dems won’t pick anyone that would stand in the way of Cuomo or Rahm when they run in 2016.

That pic of Biden whispering to her should be a CAPTION CONTEST.

PappyD61 on October 13, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Clinton says a swap is probably not even “in the realm of possibility.” Biden is doing “an amazingly good job,

Yes, Biden is doing a wonderful job of making Dan Quayle look like an intellectual.

sadatoni on October 13, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Valerie and Michelle would never allow it. Only they can wear the pants in the WH.

red131 on October 13, 2011 at 1:08 PM

A Biden/Christie debate would be better than anything else television has to offer. Where is the popcorn?

percysunshine on October 13, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Clinton isn’t going to play second fiddle to anyone.

And Barry would have to worry. No one really knows what happened to Vince Foster.

GarandFan on October 13, 2011 at 1:14 PM

As I understand it, Hot Air’s owners are contemplating an allegiance with the 700 Club. Get your totally baseless rumors straight, please.

bifidis on October 13, 2011 at 1:17 PM

That photo makes my flesh crawl.

Mason on October 13, 2011 at 1:21 PM

That photo makes my flesh crawl.

Mason on October 13, 2011 at 1:21 PM

I can only assume it’s because you’re in love with Joe Biden, and you’re jealous?

Get over him, Mason!

bifidis on October 13, 2011 at 1:24 PM

I don’t remember the details, but wasn’t there similar speculation concerning Cheney for the 04 ticket? It was probably health related, or at least expressed in concern of who would follow Bush, but I seem to recall the speculation.

karl9000 on October 13, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Yes, there was, but not for health reasons. Cheney was an effective VEEP, so much so that some on the Bush reelection campaign felt the need to get someone less polarizing, dems also agreed. Bush resisted.

Kini on October 13, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Serious question:
Does anyone here really think that the choice for VP will have any meaningful impact on the election?

JusDreamin on October 13, 2011 at 1:31 PM

Obama should replace Biden with Hillary. He could then call forward to Hillary all those pesky 3 AM phone calls we heard about in the 2008 campaign.

philw1776 on October 13, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Serious question:
Does anyone here really think that the choice for VP will have any meaningful impact on the election?

JusDreamin on October 13, 2011 at 1:31 PM

Ask John McCain.

bifidis on October 13, 2011 at 1:36 PM

I think there’s a possibility President Obama will pull an LBJ, say he’s accomplished all he needs to, and drop out of the race and push for Biden to represent his administration in the general election. If polls show there’s no chance he will win, or if there’s a small chance he wins but no chance the Democrats keep the Senate, I can see him dropping out. I don’t believe he wants to spend 4 years as a lame duck with both chambers of Congress under the leadership of Republicans. He had a hard enough time gaining a slim majority with his own party in charge.

Then there’s the chance he ignores the polls, assumes he’s the special guy everyone he’s ever known has told him he is for his entire life and stays in the race hoping that alone will carry him to a second term. When he loses, he’ll concede in the most ungraceful manner possible and spend the rest of his life making Jimmy Carter look like a die-hard, flag-waving patriot as he makes billions of dollars giving speeches overseas and at far-left universities, complaining about how racist and stupid the Americans (who elected him in the first place) are.

Wingo on October 13, 2011 at 12:51 PM

The One’s colossal ego won’t let him do an LBJ. A more probable scenario is that he will dump Biden, while letting it “leak” that everything that went wrong was not because of The One’s plans being disconnected from reality, but rather due to the implementation being Biden’s, whose “mentation” will be rumored to be “challenged”.

As for a new VP, forget The Hill. Joe “The Boss” Masseria does not get in bed with Vito Genovese. (Look up “Castellammarese War” sometime.) Obama had to put her in as SecState to placate her wing of the Democratic Party, but he isn’t going to let her any closer to the Oval Office if he can help it.

A more likely replacement for Biden is either Nancy Pelosi or Steny Hoyer. Both are “high profile”, are perceived as loyalists by The One and the “Old Guard” of progressive Dems, and would be acceptable to The One’s “base” on the far left, which The Hill decidedly is not (exactly why, they are unable adequately to explain…). Pelosi would also bolster Obama’s chances in California, where he is already seeing trouble on the horizon. (Why, is uncertain; after all, they brought Governor Moonbeam back for an encore’.)

It is unlikely that any such maneuvers will really help The One. Barring something on the order of another Pearl Harbor (unlikely) or another 1906 San Francisco earthquake (geologically speaking, I call the odds six-five and pick ‘em), he looks like a shoo-in to be a “one-hit wonder” like Carter. Some things are simply unsalvageable, and The Obama Presidency is, IMHO, right up there with New Coke.

My guess is that when it becomes obvious to him that he’s going to lose on Election Night, we’re going to see a meltdown that will make Nixon’s 1960 concession look like a Shakespeare sonnet. Followed by two months of “scorched earth” as he tries to make it impossible, not only for his successor to undo the damage he has done, but for the American economy to avoid a full-on crash. (I expect a flurry of Executive Orders that push the limits, not only of the Constitution, but of objective reality.)

And I also expect that his farewell speech will be a rant to end all rants, boiling down to, “You are too stupid to realize my true greatness, and you obviously do not deserve me. So henceforth, I will devote my life to making you pay for your lack of enlightenment.”

He and Jimmy Carter will make such a pretty pair as they roam the world, slanging us off at every opportunity. (For $50K each an appearance, of course.)

Anyway, that’s my best guess. Take it for what it’s worth.

cheers

eon

eon on October 13, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Kini on October 13, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Ah, yes. Thanks for helping an old man’s memory.

karl9000 on October 13, 2011 at 2:13 PM

That pic on the front page accompanying this post is creepy beyond words.

flipflop on October 13, 2011 at 2:14 PM

WH irked. “It tastes good” – WJ Clinton.

BHO Jonestown on October 13, 2011 at 2:25 PM

eon on October 13, 2011 at 1:50 PM

I can see any of that happening – especially the post election garbage you suspect he’ll pull (it will be far worse than what the Clinton White House did, guaranteed)- but I still think (however unlikely it may be) that his narcissism could outweigh his lust for power and push him to resign just so he could say he never lost an election. Nowadays, the only reason a President serves a single term is because he was FIRED by the American people.

As big as Obama’s ego is, it is also quite fragile. Have you ever seen such a weak, thin-skinned person in your life? I know I haven’t. That is why I think the LBJ scenario is an option. He would rather be able to claim he went out on his own terms so he doesn’t have to face the stark reality that he, personally, has been rejected and his policies have been repudiated by the American electorate.

Even now, as his approval numbers are in the toilet (just read that he’s at 50% disapproval in IL) he refuses to believe it’s policy and insists he just hasn’t done a good enough job of selling his greatness to all of us rubes in the hinterland. We all know he stinks out loud when he’s under pressure. There’s no telling what he’ll do if reality sinks in and he realizes he’s bound to lose.

Wingo on October 13, 2011 at 3:35 PM

The clarification had to be added to keep ABC in their back pocket. I guess he realized how they buried Solyndra and Fast and Furious for them. Or maybe he got a friendly reminder from Obama, informing him that Stephanopoulus and Carville control the narrative on GMA and Sawyer on the evening news.

djaymick on October 13, 2011 at 4:03 PM

Wingo on October 13, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Concur. He has already developed a “bunker mentality” from all indications, only “coming out of his shell” when he’s campaigning (the only thing he’s actually moderately competent at- notice I didn’t say “good at”). His rants re his latest “stimulus” are the sounds of a collapsing psyche.

As to what he’ll do when he’s confronted with the inevitability of defeat, The Last Battle by Cornelius Ryan probably contains some clues. As does Napoleon’s Hundred Days.

cheers

eon

eon on October 13, 2011 at 4:05 PM

That photo makes my flesh crawl.

Mason on October 13, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Agreed. We need a photo of Hillary knocking back the shots with the boys at the local VFW. “I ain’t noways drunk.”

onlineanalyst on October 13, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Biden’s main purpose as V.P. is to serve as impeachment insurance. Problem is, Obama’s so bad that the alternative might not be better.

malclave on October 13, 2011 at 5:13 PM